Originally posted by BarCrow

       If the game gets killed it will likely be from lack of subs..from  shite like changing to 1 toon per sub after saying otherwise. I seriously doubt if it will be shut down because of E-complaints. Those things probably go straight into the junkmail folder and subsequently deleted after an auto response. Face it...the U.S. government only throws more money at bad business while shaking it's finger like a scolding parent.  And sending bitchnotes  to the F.B.I....lol...a bit extreme... besides..they couldn't even bother to read through the faxed warnings,proposals, essays and evidence of terrorist activities..until something drastic happened. So ...unless all the PCs running Darkfall simultaneously explode..killing thousands(providing there are that many subs)...then good luck.

Even if the PCs running DF simultaneously explode, it will kill no one.  Afk macroers typically do not sit in front of the computer.

On the other hand, the PC retail services will gloify DF, as it brings a few thousand new orders, assuming there are still a few thousand afk macroing.

Originally posted by sanders01

That's a little to far, I think. It's bad buisness practice, sure. But that's nothing you can sue for. Plus, the company is based in Greece, it's doubtful the US gov can do anything about their buisness practices over there. The most you could do, which is very unlikely, is stop the launch in America, but trust me, that wont happen :/

Can I get called a fanboy now for pointing out the truth? 

In all fairness, and I pointed it out a long time ago when the initial 'faq is totally innacurate' threads started appearing.

EU distance selling legislation (which includes direct purchases via the internet , such as this) is far more strict than the equivalent US law.

The misleading FAQ itself was a clear breach, the current  EU/US server situation more so.

However, The company itself seems heavily in debt, short on income, so the likely outcome would be they would just close down.

Originally posted by JoeTan

comeon,  get your heads out your asses and think for a sec. . its a greek company. The world could´nt care less about your laws.  We know you like to think otherwise, we get it, but still we dont care.

 

No one will care, no one will change their business practises because of it, all you do is waste your time.

 

It's a greek company and thus part of the EU. And the EU has laws and rules a company needs to obey.

If you can present enough evidence of this SCAM practise, then Aventurine has a lot to explain.

Personally, I think you don't have to do much as this problem will solve itself.

Aventurine is so much in debt, that it's just hanging on it's last thin thread dangling above the ocean and it won't be long before it snaps and they fall and go under.

Cheers

There is no scam.  Just a bunch of idiots. Go to the Darkfall forums and read the post clarification.

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 Clarification

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Clarification: American players wanting to clone and transfer their characters do not have to buy another client. Everyone else needs to buy the American Darkfall client to play on the American server. The European rights and the American rights to Darkfall do not belong to the same company, therefore you cannot freely transfer between the two territories, as is the case with most MMORPGs. Our offer of character cloning / transfer to American players is because we had said that we would try to accommodate them should they want to start playing on the European server.
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I dont even play Darkfall. But since half the people on here just seemed so EXTREME about their actions I thought to look into this. Anyone listening to the idiots about posting a complaint need to think before they act or speak. Everyone is so quick to judge.

Please just everyone chill. Besides, its video games man.

Its not just about the game, its the bait and switch, the shady buisness, and its OUR money.

Originally posted by Basicgear

Please just everyone chill. Besides, its video games man.

No, actually, it's about $130.

Originally posted by sanders01

That's a little to far, I think. It's bad buisness practice, sure. But that's nothing you can sue for. Plus, the company is based in Greece, it's doubtful the US gov can do anything about their buisness practices over there. The most you could do, which is very unlikely, is stop the launch in America, but trust me, that wont happen :/

Can I get called a fanboy now for pointing out the truth? 

Pointing out the truth? Haha, what are you? An oracle?

No, I think fanboy would fit you just right.

And the most this would do is not stop the launch but rather more bad publicity for the game and AV and probably some that quit entirely. PR is something that AV has been really bad at and apparently it continues...

Originally posted by Staatsschutz

Originally posted by JTBanker

His complaint sounds very much like what I posted to the FBI's Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3.gov) against Av, and I suggest others follow the same path.

Lets see how well they hold together when Interpol and other agencies start anal probing them and turning over the rocks to see what other slime is living under them.

 

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[Mod Edit] You ever heard of bad publicity? Probably not but ask yourself this: Do you think it is good for a game/game developer to have several complaints regarding fraud from their customers? Specially if the media gets hold of it?

hes got a point..i mean just look at what bad publicity did to Vanguard! it destroyed the game into oblivion...didn't it?

There might be m,illions playing these games, but face it were still known as nerds whether you like to believe it or not, so most people wont care...only us gamers :) so do i want to cut of my nose to spite my face? no thanks.

Originally posted by Staatsschutz

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You still don't get it do you? Blind fanboy as you are.

It does not matter if the FBI, or whatever, wipe their ass with the complaints. What matters is that IT IS NOT GOOD PR for any company to have several outstanding complaints about fraud or even just basic complaints to any agency regarding shade bussiness practices.

AV already has a bad rep and this won't help but in your world I am sure that nothing can touch your role-model gaming company and your hero Tasos.

The "assholic" move is when they changed from 1 character per server to 1 character per account. That just shows their real intends, which is milking the cash cows, and that they never intended to allow free transfers to US servers anyway.

All they want is sell more games, they couldn't care less about you guys, it's the content of your wallet that they want.

Originally posted by Staatsschutz 

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 You don't know much about bureaucracies do you? They'll fill out a detailed report for every complaint in the appropriate category, forward copies to relevant Government agencies, if any, have a meeting determine to take no action and file it away for eternity with J. Edgar Hoover's panties. They never delete anything.

Originally posted by Orthedos

Even if the PCs running DF simultaneously explode, it will kill no one.  Afk macroers typically do not sit in front of the computer.

QFT!

HAHAHA OMFG. Quote of the year.

*runs off to change his DF sig*

Already cancelled my sub a while back. If their "free" content update {still dont understand how any company can call that free, its just a big patch ffs & justifies your mthly fee} is any good I might consider resub, but getting onto the NA server is highly questionable atm.

Originally posted by The_Korrigan

The "assholic" move is when they changed from 1 character per server to 1 character per account. That just shows their real intends, which is milking the cash cows, and that they never intended to allow free transfers to US servers anyway.

All they want is sell more games, they couldn't care less about you guys, it's the content of your wallet that they want.

Yep, and it defies the portrayal that the DF fanboys are trying to paint, i.e. that AV is not here to make money but to make a good game bullshit.

They will try to milk every cent they can out of this game and apparently by any means neccessary.

Originally posted by Binny45

To play devils advocate though, they (they being the company) ususally cover their collective asses by stating that your experiences may change during gameplay.  This is usually in the EULA and translates to "We'll do what we like, if you don't like it, stop playing."  I personally think this is a crummy way to do business, but with everyone out there vying for MMO dollars, I'm not really surprised.

I agree with the OP. What they've done is definitely shifty.

The "your experience may change during gameplay" has nothing to do with hidden fees or false advertising - which is what we're dealing with here. It's a reasonable disclaimer for a product like mmos which can undergo significant changes over time. Without it, you could theoretically demand your money back if they implemented a patch you didn't like.

What they've very clearly done is sold this product to some consumers under false pretenses.

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by sanders01

That's a little to far, I think. It's bad buisness practice, sure. But that's nothing you can sue for. Plus, the company is based in Greece, it's doubtful the US gov can do anything about their buisness practices over there. The most you could do, which is very unlikely, is stop the launch in America, but trust me, that wont happen :/

Can I get called a fanboy now for pointing out the truth? 

 

Pointing out the truth? Haha, what are you? An oracle?

No, I think fanboy would fit you just right.

And the most this would do is not stop the launch but rather more bad publicity for the game and AV and probably some that quit entirely. PR is something that AV has been really bad at and apparently it continues...

*sigh* I'm just saying, that most likely this will no succeed, even against a sham of a company like Avertine. This is just because common people don't get anything done without violence.

Originally posted by sanders01

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by sanders01

That's a little to far, I think. It's bad buisness practice, sure. But that's nothing you can sue for. Plus, the company is based in Greece, it's doubtful the US gov can do anything about their buisness practices over there. The most you could do, which is very unlikely, is stop the launch in America, but trust me, that wont happen :/

Can I get called a fanboy now for pointing out the truth? 

 

Pointing out the truth? Haha, what are you? An oracle?

No, I think fanboy would fit you just right.

And the most this would do is not stop the launch but rather more bad publicity for the game and AV and probably some that quit entirely. PR is something that AV has been really bad at and apparently it continues...

*sigh* I'm just saying, that most likely this will no succeed, even against a sham of a company like Avertine. This is just because common people don't get anything done without violence.

Ghandi disagrees with you. And the reason things dont get done is because there are as many mannequins out there as activists, if not more.
 

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by sanders01

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by sanders01

That's a little to far, I think. It's bad buisness practice, sure. But that's nothing you can sue for. Plus, the company is based in Greece, it's doubtful the US gov can do anything about their buisness practices over there. The most you could do, which is very unlikely, is stop the launch in America, but trust me, that wont happen :/

Can I get called a fanboy now for pointing out the truth? 

 

Pointing out the truth? Haha, what are you? An oracle?

No, I think fanboy would fit you just right.

And the most this would do is not stop the launch but rather more bad publicity for the game and AV and probably some that quit entirely. PR is something that AV has been really bad at and apparently it continues...

*sigh* I'm just saying, that most likely this will no succeed, even against a sham of a company like Avertine. This is just because common people don't get anything done without violence.

Ghandi disagrees with you. And the reason things dont get done is because there are as many mannequins out there as activists, if not more.
 

Then please, tout this in my face when it happens. I'll happily accept it.

Originally posted by sanders01

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by sanders01

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by sanders01

That's a little to far, I think. It's bad buisness practice, sure. But that's nothing you can sue for. Plus, the company is based in Greece, it's doubtful the US gov can do anything about their buisness practices over there. The most you could do, which is very unlikely, is stop the launch in America, but trust me, that wont happen :/

Can I get called a fanboy now for pointing out the truth? 

 

Pointing out the truth? Haha, what are you? An oracle?

No, I think fanboy would fit you just right.

And the most this would do is not stop the launch but rather more bad publicity for the game and AV and probably some that quit entirely. PR is something that AV has been really bad at and apparently it continues...

*sigh* I'm just saying, that most likely this will no succeed, even against a sham of a company like Avertine. This is just because common people don't get anything done without violence.

Ghandi disagrees with you. And the reason things dont get done is because there are as many mannequins out there as activists, if not more.
 

Then please, tout this in my face when it happens. I'll happily accept it.

It already happened already.  Do some research on Ghandi, he wrote the book on change through non violence.
 

Originally posted by sanders01

Pointing out the truth? Haha, what are you? An oracle?

No, I think fanboy would fit you just right.

And the most this would do is not stop the launch but rather more bad publicity for the game and AV and probably some that quit entirely. PR is something that AV has been really bad at and apparently it continues...

*sigh* I'm just saying, that most likely this will no succeed, even against a sham of a company like Avertine. This is just because common people don't get anything done without violence.

Common people don't get anything done without violence? Mmm.. right.

Not sure what kind of 3rd world country you live in but in the country I live in the customer (what you call common people) can get alot done without violence.

For one thing you can spread the word to all your gaming friends that this game is no good and have shady bussiness practices. That will get alot of things done in the sense of lost revenue for company developing said game.

And, as I stated in my previous post, it does not matter if the complaints actually leads to an investigation but rather the bad PR that the company/devs get from the complaint.

I mean, just posting it here will probably make potential customers think twice about buying it and this incident has probably made some quit entirely. So don't understimate the power of good PR. It is not without reasons most companies have a PR representative.

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by sanders01

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by sanders01

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by sanders01

That's a little to far, I think. It's bad buisness practice, sure. But that's nothing you can sue for. Plus, the company is based in Greece, it's doubtful the US gov can do anything about their buisness practices over there. The most you could do, which is very unlikely, is stop the launch in America, but trust me, that wont happen :/

Can I get called a fanboy now for pointing out the truth? 

 

Pointing out the truth? Haha, what are you? An oracle?

No, I think fanboy would fit you just right.

And the most this would do is not stop the launch but rather more bad publicity for the game and AV and probably some that quit entirely. PR is something that AV has been really bad at and apparently it continues...

*sigh* I'm just saying, that most likely this will no succeed, even against a sham of a company like Avertine. This is just because common people don't get anything done without violence.

Ghandi disagrees with you. And the reason things dont get done is because there are as many mannequins out there as activists, if not more.
 

Then please, tout this in my face when it happens. I'll happily accept it.

It already happened already.  Do some research on Ghandi, he wrote the book on change through non violence.
 

I know this... Im talking about Darkfall. I guess I didn't make that too clear. (I dont wish to get too offtopic, so I wont try to argue my point)

Now im thoroughly confused. Change is only through violence in the MMORPG world? You and I have two differing ideas on what violence is.

[People] whining on forums does not constitute violence in my humble opinion.

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Can I just say...

Is that true, one character per server?

I dont know if I should be laughing at Aventurine or laughing at the people that have seriously bought this.

And now its one Character per account... Im at a loss for words, seriously!

Originally posted by sadeyx

Can I just say...

Is that true, one character per server?

I dont know if I should be laughing at Aventurine or laughing at the people that have seriously bought this.

And now its one Character per account... Im at a loss for words, seriously!

let me guess ...you limited  to class based games or  you like having free spying alts in clans you want to destroy or both lol

Originally posted by Arcken

The game doesnt need to be changed, it needs to burned to the ground and have a whole new game, different name, and different company rise from the ashes.

Because in these thread are great names tossed around..

They wanted to burn Galileo and they have burned some other great guys with great concept and ideas too.