Originally posted by shukes33

Few little points.

Tried USA server on old wow account last night = Doesn't recognise my account name or password. looked into iit and it's because my account is on a EU client so i dont have an american client account.

We didn't pay for the client? your right, what we paid for was the use of a client..an EU client.

Soe charges a small fee for character transfers!

Bye!

im not even really sure what all this is about. first, wow isnt owned by soe, it is owned by blizzard (activision), but yes they do charge a lot for transfers. second, your post has nothing to do with darkfall.

Originally posted by jayheld90

Originally posted by shukes33

Few little points.

Tried USA server on old wow account last night = Doesn't recognise my account name or password. looked into iit and it's because my account is on a EU client so i dont have an american client account.

We didn't pay for the client? your right, what we paid for was the use of a client..an EU client.

Soe charges a small fee for character transfers!

Bye!

 

im not even really sure what all this is about. first, wow isnt owned by soe, it is owned by blizzard (activision), but yes they do charge a lot for transfers. second, your post has nothing to do with darkfall.

you may not have noticed this mate but the thread is about AV charging people for transfers and the OP asking them to vote with thier wallets. maybe read the thread in future :)

Who said wow was owned by SOE? can't see it anywhere but may have missed it. Not sure why you quoted me on that though :)

When i was talking about the client i should have stated that i was talking about the DF client. can see how you got confused there, my fault.

your post was a bit confusing, first you are talking about characters transfers in wow, then you say soe charges...maybe should have been more clear.

Originally posted by jayheld90

your post was a bit confusing, first you are talking about characters transfers in wow, then you say soe charges...maybe should have been more clear.

to be fair mate i did break them into different lines.

and the points were all to do with posts that have been made in this thread.

Somone stated that other companys dont charge so i just checked on what i know. Being a EQ vet and played eq2,VG etc i checked Soe, and they do charge.

I knew i had an account set up for wow so i tried to log into the USA client after downloading it by mistake....just typed wow clients in and didnt really check the link :( ( ye i know i'm stupid ) i couldn't log into it which is when i found it out to be the USA client and remembered this thread. so i looked into it more and found that it was because i didn't have a USA account. this is confusing me because some are saying you can log into EU with a USA account? i physically couldn't. but then someone else has also stated since in another thread, or maybe this one, that if you change a few lines in some code you can...not sure if that is legal or not though :)

But all the things i mentioned were mentioned in this thread :)

So, half the people bothering to sit here and reply back to back to back on this thread don't even play the game? I see no point in wasting your time informing other people who don't play the game how shady and unethical AV is. At the end of the day, does it affect you at all? Play any role on your day to day? 

I bought the game a little over a month ago, out of all the people who should be annoyed and upset, I should be one of them. I literally just bought my copy. But it is what it is, shady or not. Other companies do it. So AV made other promises concerning the issue, that doesn't even concern me because I wasn't around for those promises, and no, it doesn't matter if you link or quote it for me. I still wasn't around, those promises weren't made for me, and I understand how their financial situation probably is concerning Darkfall, and I understand that things are subject to change.

Honestly, at the end of the day, who cares? Especially if you don't play now, moreso if you never played. How can you not have something better to do with your time other than bash a company you don't give money to, and a game you don't play, have no intention of playing again, or never had any intention to play in the first place. 

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Honestly, at the end of the day, who cares? Especially if you don't play now, moreso if you never played. How can you not have something better to do with your time other than bash a company you don't give money to, and a game you don't play, have no intention of playing again, or never had any intention to play in the first place. 

1. Because you don't have to be in a train wreck to be fascinated by one...

2. Because the DF forums provide hours of free entertainment...

3. Because it is the internet and this is what people do, get used to it...

4. To read the 1000th post from people ranting that if you don't play the game you have no business posting...

BTW, have nothing better to do with my time right now and this feels the gap nicely.

Originally posted by Synthetick

So, half the people bothering to sit here and reply back to back to back on this thread don't even play the game? I see no point in wasting your time informing other people who don't play the game how shady and unethical AV is. At the end of the day, does it affect you at all? Play any role on your day to day? 

I bought the game a little over a month ago, out of all the people who should be annoyed and upset, I should be one of them. I literally just bought my copy. But it is what it is, shady or not. Other companies do it. So AV made other promises concerning the issue, that doesn't even concern me because I wasn't around for those promises, and no, it doesn't matter if you link or quote it for me. I still wasn't around, those promises weren't made for me, and I understand how their financial situation probably is concerning Darkfall, and I understand that things are subject to change.

Honestly, at the end of the day, who cares? Especially if you don't play now, moreso if you never played. How can you not have something better to do with your time other than bash a company you don't give money to, and a game you don't play, have no intention of playing again, or never had any intention to play in the first place. 

maybe because i had interest in the game. fortunately for me, i didnt have the money to buy it yet. which is good, because now i dont want to.

again a thread full of people claiming that they have reported AV to this and that authoriy.

NO you havent , and if you had they would have told you there is nothing they can do about it, since AV is not a US company.

Get a grip on reality here.

funny tho

 mine is cancelled as well

The only really surprising thing is that an NA server is actualy opening, considering what an abject pile of shit DF turned out to be.

Originally posted by Ahiles

You know what gets me about you nerd emo whiners, is that this is just like a normal thing, if you wanted to play wow from the eu in america you have to purchase the American client, the fatc you decided to play on the EU server in wow then decided to play in america is your cohice nobody forced you to do it.  Same exact thing applied to Darkfall, you americans or whatever knew it was a eu server and you thought magicallly you would get to play on the american server because you had the eu client???.   hell this is just normal business practice, similar like normal mmos with game regions.   So no just because you want to play on american server they should just let you free of charge?  ITs a fuucking business, its like saying to all wow players and other mmos hey you bought the eu client but u cna play in america free of charge, all hell would break lose with the structre of the game.  This is why  you nreds kepe jumping from mmo to mmo, becayuse u people just whine about everything.

 

 

NEWSFLASH if you are american and bought us clinet, well thats your tough luck.

 

heh, maybe it's adventurine's tough luck? they're the ones losing customers. those of us who cancelled accounts will have bad tastes in our mouths for a month and forget about this. lol.

 

fyi, in uo, you can transfer to EU or asian servers at will. with all items in touch. what game inspired darkfall again? orite

Originally posted by Variant13

The only really surprising thing is that an NA server is actualy opening, considering what an abject pile of shit DF turned out to be.

Look at it this way, AV is sure dead if it sticks with the sinking EU-1.  Either pack up now, or grab one last batch of money before they go.  NA-1 is a good chance to get some money, or maybe double charge triple charge, 10x over charge whoever stupid enough to enter their credit card details.  After they got all the money they possibly can garnar, then maybe they will pack up and vanish.

Do you think they will work hard to repay $10million euro plus interest?  Can they?

Originally posted by leowyatt

Originally posted by wesjr

Your wrong, I can play EU WOW from US with my US client....

^This

This whole NA server thing clearly shows me what kind of company we are dealing with, I liked DF as well but this? This is bullcrap on an SOE level.    I support this idea.  /cancelled

You also have to remember when Sony says they will do something they tend to do it in terms of server transfers. They have shown that they are willing to give free server transfers off of failing servers on SWG and not make ya pay for it etc... I figure since AV said that NA would not have to buy a new client and would have their character moved over once they were ready to launch that it makes them far worse than $OE at this point in time.

If anything i doubt it will be worth it to buy the new client as the current server is barely staying full. I would hate to see how small the NA server pop is.

Originally posted by JoeTan

again a thread full of people claiming that they have reported AV to this and that authoriy.

 

NO you havent , and if you had they would have told you there is nothing they can do about it, since AV is not a US company.

Get a grip on reality here.

 

funny tho

Not to worry if Obama thought  he could get his hands into AV's wallet to fund his endless social wellfare initiatives he would make a law. Perhaps an internet tax on any U.S. IP address paying $ to play a game hosted on a foreign server? There are endless ways to tax this afterall this is the man that is trying to tax you if you fart. Got a carbon credit for that bout of fladulence? Didn't think so here is your fine. Next time buy a methance emissions credit.

Originally posted by JoeTan

again a thread full of people claiming that they have reported AV to this and that authoriy.

 

NO you havent , and if you had they would have told you there is nothing they can do about it, since AV is not a US company.

Get a grip on reality here.

 

funny tho

Dont need to be a US company to suffer sanction for fraud in the USA. You can and will be sanctioned, to what degree depends on the nature of the fraud. Further the EU has its own regulations regarding internet fraud, in fact if my memory serves me the EU protocols that govern internet fraud are actually STRICTER then they are in the USA. Greece was...the last time I checked a member of the EU. Part of BECOMING a member of the EU is a requirement to ADOPT thier legal code...this is also a fact. Being in Greece will in no way prevent AV from suffering sanction for fraud IF this is proven to be the case.

And finally, AV knew very well they couldnt go it alone to launch in the USA. That being the case they also knew the impact this would have on the player base once it became official that a seperate entity would be thrown into the mix, compelling people to pay for this twice in effect. HAD AV been honest with its player base from the start I very much doubt you would see this level of reaction, some would likely quit but I doubt to the degree we now see. That is the biggest problem with AV, they do NOT communicate to thier customer base, until it is a de facto event, and even then its usually some shill instead of a dev, or some half baked "reporter" passing this on, etc etc. Its actually funny, they are thier own worst enemy and if anyone needs another test case dummy on how NOT to launch and run a MMO DFO can readily be used as a example.

Originally posted by Seytan

Originally posted by JoeTan

again a thread full of people claiming that they have reported AV to this and that authoriy.

 

NO you havent , and if you had they would have told you there is nothing they can do about it, since AV is not a US company.

Get a grip on reality here.

 

funny tho

 

Dont need to be a US company to suffer sanction for fraud in the USA. You can and will be sanctioned, to what degree depends on the nature of the fraud. Further the EU has its own regulations regarding internet fraud, in fact if my memory serves me the EU protocols that govern internet fraud are actually STRICTER then they are in the USA. Greece was...the last time I checked a member of the EU. Part of BECOMING a member of the EU is a requirement to ADOPT thier legal code...this is also a fact. Being in Greece will in no way prevent AV from suffering sanction for fraud IF this is proven to be the case.

And finally, AV knew very well they couldnt go it alone to launch in the USA. That being the case they also knew the impact this would have on the player base once it became official that a seperate entity would be thrown into the mix, compelling people to pay for this twice in effect. HAD AV been honest with its player base from the start I very much doubt you would see this level of reaction, some would likely quit but I doubt to the degree we now see. That is the biggest problem with AV, they do NOT communicate to thier customer base, until it is a de facto event, and even then its usually some shill instead of a dev, or some half baked "reporter" passing this on, etc etc. Its actually funny, they are thier own worst enemy and if anyone needs another test case dummy on how NOT to launch and run a MMO DFO can readily be used as a example.

Bravo bravo.

Another person sharing my long advocated line.  AV and DF is the perfect example of how not to do business.  I have submitted a new "scenario" for my course, using AV as example, and I am still waiting for the dean to consider the legal implications, and hence approval from the school/board.

Originally posted by Leucent

Cancelled and will stay cancelled. No more money from me for this scam company.

A spark of reasoning and logic! 

It will take more than temporarily cancelled account to stop a company of shady dealers like Aventurine.   They only way to stop them is if they go out of business and force them to move onto their next scam.  

why not just go to headquarters with burning torches? i understand people being angry and upset, but just move on...no need to be evil bastards and hope people go down! so sad that people take these little things to heart so much. i wish you could swap shoes with me for just a day....you would see what the real world is like and experience real problems, then you wouldn't worry about "spilt milk" so much.

Darkfall must be something special though to make such an impression on so many lives!

Originally posted by shukes33

why not just go to headquarters with burning torches? i understand people being angry and upset, but just move on...no need to be evil bastards and hope people go down! so sad that people take these little things to heart so much. i wish you could swap shoes with me for just a day....you would see what the real world is like and experience real problems, then you wouldn't worry about "spilt milk" so much.

Darkfall must be something special though to make such an impression on so many lives!

Yes, but not the "special" you are thinking about, probably ;)

If you feel slighted, you have all reason to shout and protest. If more people understood that, the power of word-of-mouth and bad marketing among the target audience, maybe more companies would think twice before boxing crap at premium price.

I can understand not wanting to take part in the discussionor controversy. However, I can't understand people complaining about their exercise of basic consumer rights, e.g. complain or praise about a product or service.

Originally posted by StrixMaxima

Originally posted by shukes33

why not just go to headquarters with burning torches? i understand people being angry and upset, but just move on...no need to be evil bastards and hope people go down! so sad that people take these little things to heart so much. i wish you could swap shoes with me for just a day....you would see what the real world is like and experience real problems, then you wouldn't worry about "spilt milk" so much.

Darkfall must be something special though to make such an impression on so many lives!

 

Yes, but not the "special" you are thinking about, probably ;)

If you feel slighted, you have all reason to shout and protest. If more people understood that, the power of word-of-mouth and bad marketing among the target audience, maybe more companies would think twice before boxing crap at premium price.

I can understand not wanting to take part in the discussionor controversy. However, I can't understand people complaining about their exercise of basic consumer rights, e.g. complain or praise about a product or service.

Complain by all means friend. I feel you have a right too. and l also feel for the people who are arguing a valid point.

What i dont understand is how you dont see a difference in making you're concerns vocal! and "dancing for joy" when companys fail...whci have employed staff working for them who have familys of thier own, and bills etc like the rest of us.

They are human too :)

I am not saying you personaly friend but the frenzied hate mob calling for AV's heads. Admittedly there is also a very vocally frenzied fan mob too who are equally out of order. I just wish we could bring things into perspective a bit and realise what has gone on here. To me a very inexperienced team have created a game that promised so much and delivered little of those promises by a company who lack PR skills and any form of comunication skills. I really dont think they conspired from the start to lie or steal....i think they just got it wrong.

I myself have been wrong so many times in my life and can stand up and admit it. i can also forgive others for making mistakes. But i really dont think i have the right to judge! put forth an opinion yes...but judge...nothing gives me that right.