Reading this Darkfall forum, one question comes to mind: what is the maximum time people will follow the game on pure hype? 10 years? 20 years?

I mean lets face it, Darkfall is NOT launching in 2008. Will it launch in 2009, who knows, but looking at their track record I would say no.

All these "reviews", "previews" and other crap are a JOKE. Darkfall devs are probably reading all your "Omg, it's finally going to launch!" posts and laughing their asses off.

They are giving us very little official information, only some weak material from "family and friends beta". This means only one thing: THE GAME IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING READY.

Greatest lesson I learned from Age of Conan scandal was that as soon as devs go silent it means shit has really hit the fan.

It's only hype and hope that keeps Darkfall alive in the hearts of some of our regulars. I'm sure one year from now we will have these same guys here telling each other how awesome the new screenshots are and how the two italian forum mods are going to go do a re-review of Darkfall without NDA.

No maximum. Release one screenshot, one video, one controlled "review", and you start the hype all over again.

Originally posted by GiveMePvP

Reading this Darkfall forum, one question comes to mind: what is the maximum time people will follow the game on pure hype? 10 years? 20 years?

I mean lets face it, Darkfall is NOT launching in 2008. Will it launch in 2009, who knows, but looking at their track record I would say no.

All these "reviews", "previews" and other crap are a JOKE. Darkfall devs are probably reading all your "Omg, it's finally going to launch!" posts and laughing their asses off.

They are giving us very little official information, only some weak material from "family and friends beta". This means only one thing: THE GAME IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING READY.

Greatest lesson I learned from Age of Conan scandal was that as soon as devs go silent it means shit has really hit the fan.

It's only hype and hope that keeps Darkfall alive in the hearts of some of our regulars. I'm sure one year from now we will have these same guys here telling each other how awesome the new screenshots are and how the two italian forum mods are going to go do a re-review of Darkfall without NDA.

/shrug

I havent really been a part of the Darkfall bickering here, but them being quiet dosent mean a lot. TCoS were very very quiet before launch, and they have gone gold...

Can we take time out to be real and objective here?

Vesavius Truth one... There definitly IS a game.

Vesavius Truth 2... It WON'T go live this year.

Vesavius Truth 3... The Devs ARNT laughing at anyone, they obviously care deeply about this project to have stuck with it this long and put up with the horrendous grief handed out to them on every forum.

That all aside, I am always confused why so many people want a indie dev, who are only offering their ideas up for your consideration and nothing more, and are only going to, at the least, bring diversity to the genre, to so badly fail.

These arguments arnt even about the game anymore, and it's tragic to see so many that have probably moaned about over hyped, cash cow, exploitative games that have been released recently elsewher on these boards rip this one a new ahole everythime they come here.

If it turns out to be a total PoS fair enough, lets judge it as such then,  but at this point, until we know better, Everyone should be supporting DF. If for nothing else, then at least in theory of what it wants to offer and what it stands for.

If we see yet another potentiolly great game go under, and one from an indie no less, the only thing that will sufffer is the genre as a whole as people simply stop making them, especially in the West.

You think thats not a reality?

Think again.

 For me to follow a game it first has to have IP that I'm interested in.  There's nothing in the Darkfall IP that remotely interests me.  It's just a generic fantasy world.

That being said, I will follow a game that has IP of interest until it's released but I do not buy into the hype or make any judgements for or against it before launch.  If it still looks interesting at launch I will pick it up and try it for 30 days.  If I don't like it I won't subscribe.

Recent example:  Age of Conan.  I grew up reading the Conan stories written by Howard, Lin Carter, de Camp, and others.  Followed the game casually, didn't buy into the hype.  Tried it.  It sucked.  I don't have time to obsess about a game before launch or lament after I don't like it.  I just move on....

To answer the qustion:

I would imagine that the if the game doesn't release this year, that it will drop by 50% and pick up to around 75% by the time is ready to release.

And to reply to Vesavius..

Why should we support Averturine? Are they a company who has been entirely honest with us during the entire development cycle of Darkfall?  Are they being honest with us now, their future customers?  Are we actually any closer to seeing fruition of Darkfall than we were years ago? 

I'm not saying we should drag the company through the mud, but I don't think they've 're-earned' my support. 

Originally posted by GiveMePvP

Greatest lesson I learned from Age of Conan scandal was that as soon as devs go silent it means shit has really hit the fan.

 

its true each time aoc delayed there was a sudden silence. I feel that silence now. I wonder if they will actually nake an announcement for just be silent until next year.

Define following a game?  Waiting for it?  I can do that and live my life normally.  Posting in forums?  Vaportrolls post just as much as the followers.  I've followed this game for nearly 4 years and in doing so my life has changed 0.  With that said, I'll continue "following" the game for as long as it releases or is cancelled.

Originally posted by Random_mage

To answer the qustion:

I would imagine that the if the game doesn't release this year, that it will drop by 50% and pick up to around 75% by the time is ready to release.

And to reply to Vesavius..

Why should we support Averturine? Are they a company who has been entirely honest with us during the entire development cycle of Darkfall?  Are they being honest with us now, their future customers?  Are we actually any closer to seeing fruition of Darkfall than we were years ago? 

I'm not saying we should drag the company through the mud, but I don't think they've 're-earned' my support. 

No, I am not saying we should support Adverturine specifically.

I am saying that in the current climate and state of the hobby we should give an indie dev that has obviously struggled to bring their product to market (but is on the verge of doing so anyhow, whether it's this or next year) a fair go and way less hate then what I see here.

Who am I kidding though? Most posters just come here for a fight and nothing more. Not saying you Random, but it's what I see. Most don't even give a damn about DF and what it means and why it would be better for us all if it DOES work.

I will judge the company on what they present at launch. End of.

Until then, I welcome the presence of an indie offering diversity and fresh ideas in what is a trouble genre.

They owe me nothing, they havent taken any money from me, so why would I hate them or indeed feel anything but 'lets see', no matter what they say?

Originally posted by vesavius

Originally posted by GiveMePvP

Reading this Darkfall forum, one question comes to mind: what is the maximum time people will follow the game on pure hype? 10 years? 20 years?

I mean lets face it, Darkfall is NOT launching in 2008. Will it launch in 2009, who knows, but looking at their track record I would say no.

All these "reviews", "previews" and other crap are a JOKE. Darkfall devs are probably reading all your "Omg, it's finally going to launch!" posts and laughing their asses off.

They are giving us very little official information, only some weak material from "family and friends beta". This means only one thing: THE GAME IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING READY.

Greatest lesson I learned from Age of Conan scandal was that as soon as devs go silent it means shit has really hit the fan.

It's only hype and hope that keeps Darkfall alive in the hearts of some of our regulars. I'm sure one year from now we will have these same guys here telling each other how awesome the new screenshots are and how the two italian forum mods are going to go do a re-review of Darkfall without NDA.

/shrug

I havent really been a part of the Darkfall bickering here, but them being quiet dosent mean a lot. TCoS were very very quiet before launch, and they have gone gold...

Can we take time out to be real and objective here?

Vesavius Truth one... There definitly IS a game.

Vesavius Truth 2... It WON'T go live this year.

Vesavius Truth 3... The Devs ARNT laughing at anyone, they obviously care deeply about this project to have stuck with it this long and put up with the horrendous grief handed out to them on every forum.

That all aside, I am always confused why so many people want a indie dev, who are only offering their ideas up for your consideration and nothing more, and are only going to, at the least, bring diversity to the genre, to so badly fail.

These arguments arnt even about the game anymore, and it's tragic to see so many that have probably moaned about over hyped, cash cow, exploitative games that have been released recently elsewher on these boards rip this one a new ahole everythime they come here.

If it turns out to be a total PoS fair enough, lets judge it as such then,  but at this point, until we know better, Everyone should be supporting DF. If for nothing else, then at least in theory of what it wants to offer and what it stands for.

If we see yet another potentiolly great game go under, and one from an indie no less, the only thing that will sufffer is the genre as a whole as people simply stop making them, especially in the West.

You think thats not a reality?

Think again.

Your "Truth 3" is not a truth. How would you know this? Are you part of their development team? They could be laughing at your comment right now! And I was talking about a situation where they visit these forums on their lunch break and have a good laugh. I'm sure all devs are doing it, I know I would.

Why should we automatically support every indie dev out there? I will support them by paying monthly fees once they launch. I'm not going to stand here with a candle on my hand singing songs for them.

What pisses me off about Aventurine and most of the devs out there is that they just don't talk to players! How difficult can it be? Why can't Aventurine have one PR guy who gives us something every week? The way they treat their hardcore fans (I'm not one of them) who have been supporting the game for YEARS, is just sickening and until they start talking they get no respect from me.

Originally posted by vesavius

Originally posted by Random_mage

To answer the qustion:

I would imagine that the if the game doesn't release this year, that it will drop by 50% and pick up to around 75% by the time is ready to release.

And to reply to Vesavius..

Why should we support Averturine? Are they a company who has been entirely honest with us during the entire development cycle of Darkfall?  Are they being honest with us now, their future customers?  Are we actually any closer to seeing fruition of Darkfall than we were years ago? 

I'm not saying we should drag the company through the mud, but I don't think they've 're-earned' my support. 

 

No, I am not saying we should support Adverturine specifically.

I am saying that in the current climate and state of the hobby we should give an indie dev that has obviously struggled to bring their product to market (but is on the verge of doing so anyhow, whether it's this or next year) a fair go and way less hate then what I see here.

Who am I kidding though? Most posters just come here for a fight and nothing more. Not saying you Random, but it's what I see. Most don't even give a damn about DF and what it means and why it would be better for us all if it DOES work.

I will judge the company on what they present at launch. End of.

Until then, I welcome the presence of an indie offering diversity and fresh ideas in what is a trouble genre.

They owe me nothing, they havent taken any money from me, so why would I hate them or indeed feel anything but 'lets see', no matter what they say?

Well.. I do come here to discuss darkfall.. and am a realist as far as the game goes.   I get sick and tired of the Darkfall fans hyping what the devs say as fact.  I get tired of people posting BS.. who can't use their GD brain to think OUTSIDE of their box.  However, I don't direct any of this at you.. it's just the general mentality of the darkfall fans..   And the ones who follow the word of Tasos as if he were God.

7years and 1 month now.

Originally posted by GiveMePvP

Originally posted by vesavius

Originally posted by GiveMePvP

Reading this Darkfall forum, one question comes to mind: what is the maximum time people will follow the game on pure hype? 10 years? 20 years?

I mean lets face it, Darkfall is NOT launching in 2008. Will it launch in 2009, who knows, but looking at their track record I would say no.

All these "reviews", "previews" and other crap are a JOKE. Darkfall devs are probably reading all your "Omg, it's finally going to launch!" posts and laughing their asses off.

They are giving us very little official information, only some weak material from "family and friends beta". This means only one thing: THE GAME IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING READY.

Greatest lesson I learned from Age of Conan scandal was that as soon as devs go silent it means shit has really hit the fan.

It's only hype and hope that keeps Darkfall alive in the hearts of some of our regulars. I'm sure one year from now we will have these same guys here telling each other how awesome the new screenshots are and how the two italian forum mods are going to go do a re-review of Darkfall without NDA.

/shrug

I havent really been a part of the Darkfall bickering here, but them being quiet dosent mean a lot. TCoS were very very quiet before launch, and they have gone gold...

Can we take time out to be real and objective here?

Vesavius Truth one... There definitly IS a game.

Vesavius Truth 2... It WON'T go live this year.

Vesavius Truth 3... The Devs ARNT laughing at anyone, they obviously care deeply about this project to have stuck with it this long and put up with the horrendous grief handed out to them on every forum.

That all aside, I am always confused why so many people want a indie dev, who are only offering their ideas up for your consideration and nothing more, and are only going to, at the least, bring diversity to the genre, to so badly fail.

These arguments arnt even about the game anymore, and it's tragic to see so many that have probably moaned about over hyped, cash cow, exploitative games that have been released recently elsewher on these boards rip this one a new ahole everythime they come here.

If it turns out to be a total PoS fair enough, lets judge it as such then,  but at this point, until we know better, Everyone should be supporting DF. If for nothing else, then at least in theory of what it wants to offer and what it stands for.

If we see yet another potentiolly great game go under, and one from an indie no less, the only thing that will sufffer is the genre as a whole as people simply stop making them, especially in the West.

You think thats not a reality?

Think again.

 

Your "Truth 3" is not a truth.

My friend, this is why I called them 'Vesavius Facts'.

Sorry, I thought folks would get that.

What they are are my heartfelt opinion based on what I consider to be rationality and commonsense. 

How would you know this?

I don't. See Above. 

Are you part of their development team?

No...

Did I say I was? 

They could be laughing at your comment right now!

Hrm... maybe, but I doubt that I, or this forum, is anything near that important to them.

This is another 'Vesavius Fact'. 

And I was talking about a situation where they visit these forums on their lunch break and have a good laugh. I'm sure all devs are doing it, I know I would.

Prolly not a good idea to judge everyone else by one's own standards, especially if they are low or base.

This is called 'projection'.

Why should we automatically support every indie dev out there?

Until they have failed, given up, gone bust, failed, whatever?

Yes.

Why not?

Whats it cost you to support diversity and innovation?

I will support them by paying monthly fees once they launch. I'm not going to stand here with a candle on my hand singing songs for them.

No, you are gonna do your darnest, along with a slew of others, to destroy the game before it even leaves the gates.

Because you get a kick outta arguing.

The sad fact is though that you and people like you are only damaging the genre you (i assume...) claim to love...

Strange.

What pisses me off about Aventurine and most of the devs out there is that they just don't talk to players!

Why should they?

What do they owe you?

Either buy it don't, don't expect to be invited around for Sunday dinner with the family...

If you wanna talk to Devs so bad, start your own company. 

It's not like these guys are elected officials or anything.

So much anger... why so 'pissed off'?

Originally posted by Random_mage

 

Well.. I do come here to discuss darkfall.. and am a realist as far as the game goes.   I get sick and tired of the Darkfall fans hyping what the devs say as fact.  I get tired of people posting BS.. who can't use their GD brain to think OUTSIDE of their box.  However, I don't direct any of this at you.. it's just the general mentality of the darkfall fans..   And the ones who follow the word of Tasos as if he were God.

You can pretty much copy/paste this for a description of the trolls too.  You have made more threads in the DF forum than even the most outspoken fanbois...and you aren't a "realist" by defintion.  You may think so, which is fine...but some of your posts prove otherwise.

Originally posted by originalegg

Originally posted by Random_mage

 

Well.. I do come here to discuss darkfall.. and am a realist as far as the game goes.   I get sick and tired of the Darkfall fans hyping what the devs say as fact.  I get tired of people posting BS.. who can't use their GD brain to think OUTSIDE of their box.  However, I don't direct any of this at you.. it's just the general mentality of the darkfall fans..   And the ones who follow the word of Tasos as if he were God.

 

You can pretty much copy/paste this for a description of the trolls too.  You have made more threads in the DF forum than even the most outspoken fanbois...and you aren't a "realist" by defintion.  You may think so, which is fine...but some of your posts prove otherwise.

 

.. I get it dude.. you think I'm a troll.. because I disagree with you.. I get it..

Originally posted by vesavius

/shrug

I havent really been a part of the Darkfall bickering here, but them being quiet dosent mean a lot. TCoS were very very quiet before launch, and they have gone gold...

Can we take time out to be real and objective here?

Vesavius Truth one... There definitly IS a game.

Vesavius Truth 2... It WON'T go live this year.

Vesavius Truth 3... The Devs ARNT laughing at anyone, they obviously care deeply about this project to have stuck with it this long and put up with the horrendous grief handed out to them on every forum.

That all aside, I am always confused why so many people want a indie dev, who are only offering their ideas up for your consideration and nothing more, and are only going to, at the least, bring diversity to the genre, to so badly fail.

These arguments arnt even about the game anymore, and it's tragic to see so many that have probably moaned about over hyped, cash cow, exploitative games that have been released recently elsewher on these boards rip this one a new ahole everythime they come here.

If it turns out to be a total PoS fair enough, lets judge it as such then,  but at this point, until we know better, Everyone should be supporting DF. If for nothing else, then at least in theory of what it wants to offer and what it stands for.

If we see yet another potentiolly great game go under, and one from an indie no less, the only thing that will sufffer is the genre as a whole as people simply stop making them, especially in the West.

You think thats not a reality?

Think again.

I couldn't agree more.  Nicely put!

Originally posted by chokepoint

Originally posted by originalegg

Originally posted by Random_mage

Well.. I do come here to discuss darkfall.. and am a realist as far as the game goes.   I get sick and tired of the Darkfall fans hyping what the devs say as fact.  I get tired of people posting BS.. who can't use their GD brain to think OUTSIDE of their box.  However, I don't direct any of this at you.. it's just the general mentality of the darkfall fans..   And the ones who follow the word of Tasos as if he were God.

You can pretty much copy/paste this for a description of the trolls too.  You have made more threads in the DF forum than even the most outspoken fanbois...and you aren't a "realist" by defintion.  You may think so, which is fine...but some of your posts prove otherwise.

 

Pessimist would be a more accurate description. Since DF has not asked for preorders and have openly stated that the want people to have the chance to play the game before they buy it, it is not really reasonable to adopy such a negative & distrusting attitude toward a first-time game developer.

 

half the problem with the MMO genre right now is that the big MMO production companies are released half-funished, buggy and over-hyped games that don't deliver, yet here we have a small indie developer giving gamers a peek under the hood of the development process and spending all their development money on development and not hype and STILL people whine and cry about it. it's sad, and all i can think is that gamers DESERVE to get shithouse overhyped games cause they're too stupid and ignorant to get otherwise.

 

the MMO genre *needs* a indie developer to come along with a game like Darkfall and shake up the genre cause it's sucking more and more each year.

HAD to reply to your post..  Darkfall isn't giving anyone a "Peek under the hood"  Darkfall has been one of the most deceptive and secretative developers EVER.  How is that a "peek"?  Should I cover my eyes because what I'm seeing certainly isn't natural.

And you say "needs an indie developer to come along and shake things up".  No.  What we need is a company who isn't trying to make a shit ton of money on their game, and can be HONEST with where they are in development.. and let the game speak for itself...

 So, is the point of this post to ridicule fans of Darkfall?

I'll follow the game as long as it's more fun to simply read about it than it is to play another MMO (yes, WoW and WAR are less fun than simply reading about Darkfall to me :P).

Originally posted by Random_mage

And you say "needs an indie developer to come along and shake things up".  No.  What we need is a company who isn't trying to make a shit ton of money on their game, and can be HONEST with where they are in development.. and let the game speak for itself...

Im not sure how DF doesn't fit this type of development.  The developers of DF dont seem to be worried about making a "shit ton of money" .  I mean I havn't seen any advertising for this game other then in the forums where its talked about.  As for the  "let the game speak for itself"  isnt' that what DF is planning on doing?  allow people to try it before they have to buy it?  *shrugs* 

Im not sure why you would say DF is deseptive? 

Originally posted by Focker

Originally posted by Random_mage

And you say "needs an indie developer to come along and shake things up".  No.  What we need is a company who isn't trying to make a shit ton of money on their game, and can be HONEST with where they are in development.. and let the game speak for itself...

 

Im not sure how DF doesn't fit this type of development.  The developers of DF dont seem to be worried about making a "shit ton of money" .  I mean I havn't seen any advertising for this game other then in the forums where its talked about.  As for the  "let the game speak for itself"  isnt' that what DF is planning on doing?  allow people to try it before they have to buy it?  *shrugs* 

Im not sure why you would say DF is deseptive? 

We are looking to do open beta this year..

For the past 5 years.

And I am basically saying that we need a game company that want's people to play their game.. and not spend hours on message boards trying to sell it to other people via word of mouth.  A company that is honest about the develop of their game.  OR doesn't talk about it.  Not one that's in the middle.  don't tell the customer that your product is ready, when it's not.  Don't make me tell my friends how awesome darkfall is, just to .. prospone a launch.. AGAIN...

Originally posted by GiveMePvP

Reading this Darkfall forum, one question comes to mind: what is the maximum time people will follow the game on pure hype? 10 years? 20 years?

I mean lets face it, Darkfall is NOT launching in 2008. Will it launch in 2009, who knows, but looking at their track record I would say no.

All these "reviews", "previews" and other crap are a JOKE. Darkfall devs are probably reading all your "Omg, it's finally going to launch!" posts and laughing their asses off.

They are giving us very little official information, only some weak material from "family and friends beta". This means only one thing: THE GAME IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING READY.

Greatest lesson I learned from Age of Conan scandal was that as soon as devs go silent it means shit has really hit the fan.

It's only hype and hope that keeps Darkfall alive in the hearts of some of our regulars. I'm sure one year from now we will have these same guys here telling each other how awesome the new screenshots are and how the two italian forum mods are going to go do a re-review of Darkfall without NDA.

In answer to the post, as long as it takes I'm not putting any money on the line now just time to read up on features and such which I only do when I want to read about something that interests me, why should we be bothered buy something that costs us nothing at the time?
I learned a long time ago with mmos patience is a virtue and again if all this waiting has cost the consumer nothing why should it bother anyone?