Originally posted by TheHoweller

Originally posted by toddze

I dont see a valid point because when you wait to spring, your going to have new MMO's being released two that I know of: The chronicals of Spellborn and Aion. I would be willing to bet theres a couple more to. So If DF is waiting to release at a time when there is no other release or multiple expansion release, well I am sorry but DF will never release then. It will have to compete with other mmo's. there will be no "open window".

I don't think Aion or Spellborn will have the influence that LOTRO or WoW sport.  WoW alone is "huge".  I'm not saying that the above is their only reason for delay, (main reason being their feature-complete game's far from it)  it's that it's likely only adding to the reasons why not to strive for an '08 release date.

I personally think we'll see the game go gold sometime in '09...For whatever reason, I just want it playable and fun.

And yeah, I have lost "faith" in Aventurine...I lost it a month after they released the "in-game" video in like September.  The months after that, I felt as if they've dropped the fan-base in the dirt again.

I will admit TCOS and Aion are not near the same magnitude as WoW or even LoTR. Adventurine has also lost all of my respect as well, so much so that I will not buy DF at release. It will take me a month to buy it as long as the reviews are decent. There is only 1 other company that I have 0 respect for and that is Funcom.
 

Originally posted by toddze

Originally posted by TheHoweller

Originally posted by toddze

I dont see a valid point because when you wait to spring, your going to have new MMO's being released two that I know of: The chronicals of Spellborn and Aion. I would be willing to bet theres a couple more to. So If DF is waiting to release at a time when there is no other release or multiple expansion release, well I am sorry but DF will never release then. It will have to compete with other mmo's. there will be no "open window".

I don't think Aion or Spellborn will have the influence that LOTRO or WoW sport.  WoW alone is "huge".  I'm not saying that the above is their only reason for delay, (main reason being their feature-complete game's far from it)  it's that it's likely only adding to the reasons why not to strive for an '08 release date.

I personally think we'll see the game go gold sometime in '09...For whatever reason, I just want it playable and fun.

And yeah, I have lost "faith" in Aventurine...I lost it a month after they released the "in-game" video in like September.  The months after that, I felt as if they've dropped the fan-base in the dirt again.

I will admit TCOS and Aion are not near the same magnitude as WoW or even LoTR. Adventurine has also lost all of my respect as well, so much so that I will not buy DF at release. It will take me a month to buy it as long as the reviews are decent. There is only 1 other company that I have 0 respect for and that is Funcom.
 

That begs the question, when did Adventurine have your respect, and for how long?

Originally posted by Skooma2

 

     So, if you are seeking to make money off of Darkfall, would you release now, when the vast bulk of your POTENTIAL market has settled into their winter diversion?   Or, would you rather wait until (perhaps) Spring, when a greater number of the aforementioned people may be looking for a new outlet for their monthly subscription fee?

There will always be something that just came out, or is about to come out. I'd say that "market conditions" are the least of Aventurine's concerns. They've known about WAR, Moria, and Lich King's release times for at least six months; to cite those games as reasons to delay now would be a transparent excuse.

They've promised to release in the next 30 days and there's still no evidence that there's anything close to a playable game. No beta leaks, no nothing except a few tightly-controlled media releases which say/show suspiciously little.

That's the problem.

Originally posted by toddze

I will admit TCOS and Aion are not near the same magnitude as WoW or even LoTR. Adventurine has also lost all of my respect as well, so much so that I will not buy DF at release. It will take me a month to buy it as long as the reviews are decent. There is only 1 other company that I have 0 respect for and that is Funcom.
 

lol.

This'll sound stupid, but the companies I've lost respect for are NCSoft and SOE.

NCSoft because of the "generally respected" addition of heroes to Guild Wars...I personally think they ruined the game...But whatever.

And SOE because of what I've read about how they ignorantly handled SWG...That entire situation makes me sick to my stomach.

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Originally posted by TheHoweller

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Originally posted by toddze

I will admit TCOS and Aion are not near the same magnitude as WoW or even LoTR. Adventurine has also lost all of my respect as well, so much so that I will not buy DF at release. It will take me a month to buy it as long as the reviews are decent. There is only 1 other company that I have 0 respect for and that is Funcom.
 

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lol.
This'll sound stupid, but the companies I've lost respect for are NCSoft and SOE.
NCSoft because of the "generally respected" addition of heroes to Guild Wars...I personally think they ruined the game...But whatever.
And SOE because of what I've read about how they ignorantly handled SWG...That entire situation makes me sick to my stomach.

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You disrespect SOE eh? LOL. It's funny because of the insane irony there. SOE has been providing numerous expansions for arguably one of the best mmo games ever in Everquest Online since it's launch back in 1998. And now, many other expansions as well with Everquest 2. Vanguard also hit a niche market and seems to have some very loyal followers, even if the number is small.

..Yet you spit on SOE, and bow down to the mighty Tasos and eat up his every word like its a religion and like Darkfall is somehow going to put what SOE has done with its Everquest games to shame.

Now we know why you aren't considered even close to being a "realist" here on these threads, don't we? Hehe.

- Zaxx

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

 

That begs the question, when did Adventurine have your respect, and for how long?

For me every new mmo company has a certian level. They gain it or loose depending upon how they handle their product.

The real world is a consumer driven world. The producers must show respect for their consumers. I for one will not support a producer who strings along its potential consumers. I am sorry but I wake up go to work and earn my money so I am not just going to thow it away on a producer who does not care. Its too bad more people do not have this veiw or the MMO genre would be completly different than it is today, and for the better. The consumers are not driving the producers in the MMO genre. This has to do partially with the immaturity of gamers in general. 

As for DF I will play it as long as it gets decent reviews, and if adventurine becomes more open when release aproaches. There are many other factors that will determine if I buy Adventurines product (DF) as well. I can guarntee that I will give it plenty of time after release before I give them a dime.  I do like the features that DF advertises as it has not been tried in awhile, but that does not give adventurine a "get out of jail free" card.

This is just my opinion, as we each have our own. Sadly there is going to be many people who pre-order DF regaurdless of what adventurine says or does. One day the consumers will demand more from the producers as the wave has started post-WoW with all the dissapointments. The cries will just get louder and then the mmo genre will be subject to consumer respect first, like the rest of the world products. The MMO product is young so it will take time to get to consumer driven.  Not to be confused with consumer made MMO's.

i bet zaxtor remembers Mourning. And this is the same vibe i am getting from this game. Which is why i am avoiding it until a few months into launch.

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Originally posted by Galadourn
How about we all just wait a few more days...after all, early December is still not over.

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Would that really make any difference?

There still would be no release date announced, and certainly no actual release by then.

If this thread had been made on December 15 instead, we all know damn well that the fans would be trying to insult the OP saying that he couldn't even wait until December 31 to write off the promises of a 2008 Darkfall release. Or if he waited until December 31 to make this exact same post, then the fans would have attacked him for not waiting another day until January 1st of 2009, because of course there is still the
possibility that Darkfall could release before midnight that night! LOL.

How ridiculous can the fans get here? We all know damn good and well that Darkfall will NOT release in the next 30 days. If you think otherwise, I have some oceanfront property in Kansas I'd like to show you screenshots of and a nice 17 minute video of as well! - Then you'd believe me without doubt right? {grin}

- Zaxx

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Originally posted by miagisan
i bet zaxtor remembers Mourning. And this is the same vibe i am getting from this game. Which is why i am avoiding it until a few months into launch.

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Yes, of course I remember Mourning. And Dark and Light too. And the thing is, that the fans and followers of those two games, the shady and suspicious behaviors of the devs behind those two games all are so similar to this game that it is all such amazing "deja vu". There are so many levels of deja vu feelings with this game and with those two games that I'd be shocked if this game had any more success then either of those two disasters.

In fact, I honestly thing that "Darkfall" should be renamed. I think it should be named "Mourning Shadows".

- Zaxx

I really dont want to bring up ncsoft and aion, because of my sig, but i think it is important. NCSoft has hid nothing about Aion, all the information has been out there for month and months. The good and the bad. They straight up told us that Aion is not revolutonary. We have seen everthing in the game before but it has a different twist. Everyone knows that the gimmick is the areal combat. Pretty simple and straight foward huh? We have known this for a long time. So that leads me to believe that NCSoft is proud of their work, and have nothing to hide. They told us how it is. as for an NDA in aion, what NDA? In my eyes that goes a long way in what game I buy. I am also ok with re-hased ideas too as long as its attempted to be done better.

Now to SoE, they have made some mistakes, but they have also made one of the most popular franchises in EQ. I didnt play SWG, so I cant really comment on that. but it seems that game gave SoE a black eye. With VG, I am not sure but I dont think that was all SoE doing.

Originally posted by TheHoweller

radlin, I may agree with you on your point that Darkfall won't be releasing this year, but placing it into the comedy section because they didn't meet your pathetic "1:00AM December 1st Announcement", come on...

...The first day of December, and you're already bitching about the fact that Aventurine hasn't released a specific date.  Come December 10th, then start complaining.  1:00AM December 1st is pathetic, and ridiculous.  Get lives.

Hehe, I am not sure man about 100% of the MMOs released today have at least pre-order boxs ready to purchase by now. Also most companies have a specific release date posted at gamestop up to 8 months before release. IMO because adventurine is such a small company there are extremely sloppy. If there this sloppy with the release, I cant imagin how there patch's are gonna be. I Hope to god im wrong though this MMO seems to be sick ((if it releases in a stable fashion)).

Originally posted by Random_mage

Originally posted by Skooma2

I have been following the progress of Darkfall only for the last six months or so.  So, I cannot say that I have been lied to, etc.   However, let us consider the realities of the marketplace before we start criticizing.  Even if the game were 100% bug-free and ready to roll, would YOU release the game now?  I certainly would not.  Why?

      1.    Wrath of the Lich-King was just released.   Of the many millions of people who purchased that expansion, I daresay none of them have finished the new content, have become bored with the game and are looking for a new MMO to entertain them.

      2.    Mines of Moria expansion to LotRO was just released.  Of the many hundred of thousands who purchased that expansion, I daresay none of them have finished the new content, have become bored with the game and are looking for a new MMO to entertain them.
 

      3.     WAR was recently released, and despite the protestations of some of the playerbase,  I daresay that most of the players who enjoy that game, have not yet become bored with the game and are looking for a new MMO to entertain them.
 

     So, if you are seeking to make money off of Darkfall, would you release now, when the vast bulk of your POTENTIAL market has settled into their winter diversion?   Or, would you rather wait until (perhaps) Spring, when a greater number of the aforementioned people may be looking for a new outlet for their monthly subscription fee?

 

Hi there. I had to reply to your post.. Cause.. I wasted my time reading it.

If you havent been following darkfall, like the rest of us, that's fine. It sort of makes sense.. I mean, what is there to follow? a few screen shots here and there, and a a few "videos" but that's about all.. and to reply to the rest..

1. Wrath WAS just released.. and the market share that is Darkfall doesn't overlap with the market share that is WoW.

2. Same for LOTRO

3. War.. might have managed to grab a small segment of the DF population (or would be darkfall pop).. but WAR dropped the ball by making an instanced PvP game.  Might as well as had a lobby with a chat room..

And to respond to your last statement... Well.. really no point because your prior 3 statements are all wrong.

actually they werent wrong u just refuse to believe that someone who plays wow could move to df when that is very possible. i think it would be smart of them to delay till next year when ppl are looking for a new game to play after getting finished with their xpac they bought

At this point, I hope they never release Darkfall.  All of these threads are entertaining to read, and I want them to continue.

The question now is - what will take down Darkfall as the next controversial MMO?

Originally posted by harvus3030

At this point, I hope they never release Darkfall.  All of these threads are entertaining to read, and I want them to continue.

The question now is - what will take down Darkfall as the next controversial MMO?

If DF fails to deliever thats easy it will be Mortal Online.
 

If DF pleases everyone then the forum war will be dead.

Originally posted by harvus3030

At this point, I hope they never release Darkfall.  All of these threads are entertaining to read, and I want them to continue.

OMG, you have no idea what insane things you will be able to read on a FFA full-loot  forum.

The flames, crying, RL threats and rivalry will exceed epic proportions. The forums can often be more amusing than the game sometimes.

I really don`t care if DF launch in Dec or sometimes early next year. I`m happy if it launch at all.

Originally posted by Skooma2

I have been following the progress of Darkfall only for the last six months or so.  So, I cannot say that I have been lied to, etc.   However, let us consider the realities of the marketplace before we start criticizing.  Even if the game were 100% bug-free and ready to roll, would YOU release the game now?  I certainly would not.  Why?

      1.    Wrath of the Lich-King was just released.   Of the many millions of people who purchased that expansion, I daresay none of them have finished the new content, have become bored with the game and are looking for a new MMO to entertain them.

      2.    Mines of Moria expansion to LotRO was just released.  Of the many hundred of thousands who purchased that expansion, I daresay none of them have finished the new content, have become bored with the game and are looking for a new MMO to entertain them.
 

      3.     WAR was recently released, and despite the protestations of some of the playerbase,  I daresay that most of the players who enjoy that game, have not yet become bored with the game and are looking for a new MMO to entertain them.
 

     So, if you are seeking to make money off of Darkfall, would you release now, when the vast bulk of your POTENTIAL market has settled into their winter diversion?   Or, would you rather wait until (perhaps) Spring, when a greater number of the aforementioned people may be looking for a new outlet for their monthly subscription fee?

Nice of you to prove Kyleran correct immediately.

Originally posted by zaxtor99

 

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Originally posted by TheHoweller

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Originally posted by toddze

I will admit TCOS and Aion are not near the same magnitude as WoW or even LoTR. Adventurine has also lost all of my respect as well, so much so that I will not buy DF at release. It will take me a month to buy it as long as the reviews are decent. There is only 1 other company that I have 0 respect for and that is Funcom.
 

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lol.
This'll sound stupid, but the companies I've lost respect for are NCSoft and SOE.
NCSoft because of the "generally respected" addition of heroes to Guild Wars...I personally think they ruined the game...But whatever.
And SOE because of what I've read about how they ignorantly handled SWG...That entire situation makes me sick to my stomach.

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You disrespect SOE eh? LOL. It's funny because of the insane irony there. SOE has been providing numerous expansions for arguably one of the best mmo games ever in Everquest Online since it's launch back in 1998. And now, many other expansions as well with Everquest 2. Vanguard also hit a niche market and seems to have some very loyal followers, even if the number is small.

..Yet you spit on SOE, and bow down to the mighty Tasos and eat up his every word like its a religion and like Darkfall is somehow going to put what SOE has done with its Everquest games to shame.

Now we know why you aren't considered even close to being a "realist" here on these threads, don't we? Hehe.

- Zaxx
 

I apologize for not listing Aventurine on the list of companies I've lost respect for.  However, I'm actually angered by your ridiculously stupid assumption that because it's not on the list, I'm a fanboy. 

I really wish the moderators would remove the people who only spit on these forums, never adding to the discussion.  Maybe then we wouldn't be "graced" with your "reality" of the situation... {Mod Edit}

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by Ebonix00

I find it extremely funny that "early December" means December 1st at 4am for trolls and "realists".  I recall WAR having their open beta 2 weeks before release, if that. Do not forget that a game does not NEED you to be in their open beta, you are just used for a stress test.

Personally I don't think the game will be released in December.. more like Q1 2009 (giving them the benefit of the doubt for a December release).  The screenshots show areas that are completed, the games scenery looks polished, we have a 100% gameplay movie showing the combat system in play, we have an in-game movie showing the UI and a couple of other things, we have a review from the Italians, and we have another review coming from the publisher of a comic... I believe a December release is POSSIBLE. 

This is being a "realist", I took the information we were given and gave a possibilty.. saying a game has been in development for 8 years as an argument and then saying it has no possible chance of release is not being "real", it's trolling... unless you've been working on the game for those years and know it's level of completion.

 

 I find it funny that the doubters (realists etc.) Say ok we don't think DF will be out this year, and then some fanbois comes along and say 'hey i don't think it will come out this year either but you all are trolls and should shut up!"

  Point out in this thread where anyone said early december was December 1st at 4 am? What you can't? i also haven't seen anyone in this thread say DF will never be released. So you were just making up more crap to base you fan arguement on way to go pro!

K, I'll point it out.  It would be the fact this thread was made >>>DECEMBER 1st at 4AM<<< asking for new information, way to use common sense, pro. 

I'd also like you to point out where in my post history I've backed Darkfall to the point where I looked like a "fanboy", way to make up more crap to base your weak flame.

  We asked the question "hey if Df isn't gonna be out in the next 30 days should Tasos know by now and shoudln't he say something if so?"

So if you understand December 1st is not early December than why are you expecting more information, again on December 1st, at 4am.

The typical fanbois responses here seem to be as seen that anyone that has that question is a troll, oh and that if DF does release in December some disaster is gonna happen to us, and that we must really be burning up.

Well if you were a "realist" you would be REAL and not expect information on the FIRST OF DECEMBER so of course you'll be labeled a troll for doing this nonsense.  If you really expected some information this early in the month and had no intention of trolling.. something is seriously wrong with you.

It then ends on a oh we don't have any logical arguement and  this thread should be locked bcause it asks uncomfortable questions that we don't like. Seems to me the fans that are putting the words in our mouths and making up things they think are in this thread are the ones burning up. Look Tasos has promised not once but many times DF would be released this year, and every fans says Tasos never lies, so why don't you guys even believe Df will be released this year?

You don't have a logical argument.  For example, the argument I stated earlier was a very common one amongst trolls and "realists". I'll write it again to help you with your lack in reading comp.

"saying a game has been in development for 8 years as an argument and then saying it has no possible chance of release is not being "real", it's trolling"

Now if you were REAL, wouldn't you think that something in development for 8 years would have a possible chance of coming out from now and Q1 2009 especially with the recent reviews from closed beta participants? Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm looking a tad bit more real then you are.

  Sorry guys it looks like your wrong, after all of your "DF will be out this year 2008" posts you are now attacking left and right to try and cover for Tasos. Back in August the fans were spouting "Gee open beta will be in Oct and then the trolls will pay!" Then it became "it will be in November, and the trolls can't stand that it will finally be live next month!". Now its "Theres still plenty of time the trolls must be burning up teehee, and we never said DF will be out this year".

  Is it possible that DF will be out this year yes. I haven't seen any realists in this thread say its not (just more fanbois words) but even the fans say they don't think it will be. SO what is this you have to attack doubters / realists to keep your fanbois street cred even though you agree with us?

Again, please point out where in my post history I backed Darkfall to the point where I looked like a fanboy.  Also, please point out where I attacked realists.  I believe my post was more real then anything you had to contribute, troll.  If you don't like being called a troll than you can get the title of a doubter.. but you are CERTAINTLY NOT a "realist" or you would take all things into consideration and not just the bad.

 

P.S. If you're going to attempt to flame me, please try harder.

 

two words for you people spouting "posted at 4am"

It's called WORLD CLOCK.

Just because it's 4am whereever this message board is.. doesn't mean it isn't working time in Greece..

Sure.. expecting anything to actually be released todoay is silly (just like expecting any major beta information last month on the 10th was.. STUPID..)

Originally posted by Zorvan

Originally posted by Skooma2

I have been following the progress of Darkfall only for the last six months or so.  So, I cannot say that I have been lied to, etc.   However, let us consider the realities of the marketplace before we start criticizing.  Even if the game were 100% bug-free and ready to roll, would YOU release the game now?  I certainly would not.  Why?

      1.    Wrath of the Lich-King was just released.   Of the many millions of people who purchased that expansion, I daresay none of them have finished the new content, have become bored with the game and are looking for a new MMO to entertain them.

      2.    Mines of Moria expansion to LotRO was just released.  Of the many hundred of thousands who purchased that expansion, I daresay none of them have finished the new content, have become bored with the game and are looking for a new MMO to entertain them.
 

      3.     WAR was recently released, and despite the protestations of some of the playerbase,  I daresay that most of the players who enjoy that game, have not yet become bored with the game and are looking for a new MMO to entertain them.
 

     So, if you are seeking to make money off of Darkfall, would you release now, when the vast bulk of your POTENTIAL market has settled into their winter diversion?   Or, would you rather wait until (perhaps) Spring, when a greater number of the aforementioned people may be looking for a new outlet for their monthly subscription fee?

 

Nice of you to prove Kyleran correct immediately.

Yeah, Tasos can probably use some of those reasons Skooma2 came up with directly, saving him the time from writing them so he can continue coding DF.

And regardless what happens to DF, I think Mortal Online will become the next great forum lightning rod for 2009/2010.

Finally, lest anyone thing all I am doing is trolling, maybe so, but I really do want to see this game released in a sound, playable state, and I don't mind if they don't release it this month. I just ask them to be honest regarding the reasons, which I don't think is an unreasonable request.

6K

 edit: fixed my typo, since I'm now quotable