Originally posted by javac

criticising Darkfall's graphics is like saying a Ferrari isn't red enough.

 Ferrraris don't look like 1974 Ford Pintos

Originally posted by javac

criticising Darkfall's graphics is like saying a Ferrari isn't red enough.

This.

Sorry DF is a game you aren't following, but that is no reason to make flat out lies about the game to discredit it from others who may not want to play another linear MMO.

Darkfall's graphics are fine, and some of the landscapes are simply amazing.  The animations need some work but if thats what it takes to accomplish massive battles where other games have failed, then so be it.  Even if that is not the case, they can be fixed later and are not so bad that they detract from the breathe of fresh air that this game will bring to the genre in regards to gameplay.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by javac

criticising Darkfall's graphics is like saying a Ferrari isn't red enough.

 

 Ferrraris don't look like 1974 Ford Pintos

How can you make that comparison?  A car can look great and run great, a MMO without instances and with largescale battles cannot look like an instanced MMO and get the same performance.

Originally posted by Brenelael

Originally posted by SignusM

Originally posted by Brenelael

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by javac

3) darkfall's graphics were designed for 100v100 battles at playable framerates.

6) it's still only a low-resolution video of footage taken on medium settings.

 

 

 

100 vs 100 battles at decent framerates across the internet even on the lowest graphics setings is going to be a hell of a trick.  Shadowbane can't do it and their client was designed to run on a pentium III 1.2ghz and a 64 Mb openGL  compliant video card minimum.  Then again SB's horrid avatar graphics and animations are better than the ones seen in the Darkfall video. So far.

Sorry but Lineage II has had 500+ player battles since 2003. It's very possible and has already been done successfully. Darkfall should have no problem at all having 200+ player battles with the level of graphics we've seen in the videos to date. Just because some of your personal favorite games haven't been able to pull it off is far from "it can't be done".

 

Bren

 

And it's been done by Dark Age of Camelot as well. Though when you got to full 400 some people on screen it started to lag something awful. The MAIN issue is not JUSt the graphics, but the fact that combat is twitch based, not turn based, so lag is a really dangerous enemy here. With collision detection, physics (horse charges, knockback, spell knockback), twitch FPS style combat with real arrow balistics, AND 200+ people, then you really have to make some graphical compromises.

I realize that but what I'm trying to say is with the level of graphics that DF has having 200+ player battle shouldn't be that hard to pull of if a main stream MMO can do 500+ with equal or even slightly better graphics. The compromise in this case is the numbers not the graphics.

 

Bren

lineage2

this is lienage2 siege and pvp

www.youtube.com/watch

you

darkfall siege and pvp

www.youtube.com/watch

if for you, is the same, you are

Darkfall graphics charecter compared with other games

lotro

wow

lineage2

aoc

warhammer

DARKFALL

if someone said that the graphics are bad, this

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by javac

3) darkfall's graphics were designed for 100v100 battles at playable framerates.

6) it's still only a low-resolution video of footage taken on medium settings.

 

 

 

100 vs 100 battles at decent framerates across the internet even on the lowest graphics setings is going to be a hell of a trick.  Shadowbane can't do it and their client was designed to run on a pentium III 1.2ghz and a 64 Mb openGL  compliant video card minimum.  Then again SB's horrid avatar graphics and animations are better than the ones seen in the Darkfall video. So far.

Sb graphics are nothing compared to this.  That statement is just utterly false.

Originally posted by gotha

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by javac

3) darkfall's graphics were designed for 100v100 battles at playable framerates.

6) it's still only a low-resolution video of footage taken on medium settings.

 

 

 

100 vs 100 battles at decent framerates across the internet even on the lowest graphics setings is going to be a hell of a trick.  Shadowbane can't do it and their client was designed to run on a pentium III 1.2ghz and a 64 Mb openGL  compliant video card minimum.  Then again SB's horrid avatar graphics and animations are better than the ones seen in the Darkfall video. So far.

Sb graphics are nothing compared to this.  That statement is just utterly false.

Yep zymurgeist is a well known troll for DF, no one really takes his posts seriously anymore and most just ignore him at this point.

The whole SB or eq1 argument has been PROVEN false over and over.  DF graphics are on par with industry standards, but are obviously not breaking new ground or the best of the best.   Unfortunatly now that the video released and beta is closing in, the trolls know they dont have much time left to bash the game, so they are just getting their last shots in while they can.  Though im not sure why they think they are actually convincing anyone that the graphics suck and are like eq1...i mean even complete newcommers to DF have eyes....its not that hard.

Originally posted by Ender4

vanguard graphics are terrible, everything is so ugly. AOC graphics are high quality but the artistic side of the game is pretty terrible. WAR graphics are low quality but artistically are better than AOC and it runs decently in large scale RvR.

I'm not going to judge darkfall until I see it in action in person but the graphics looked very uneven like it was shot from different phases of beta or like some of the older models aren't as good as the newer ones.

I still think the game is a complete failure at release though~ I hope I'm wrong but it has been too long in development at this point for me to have faith in it.

AOC art is fantastic on full settings.  Funcom pull their artist out of some of the top art school in europe.  Right about vanguard though

The graphics remind me most of an early 2000s cinematic trailer actually.  There are some areas though that are meh.  The world is huge and was designed back in 2003.  Would be close to impossible for them to redo the entire thing.

Everyone should keep in mind what we are actually talking about here. Darkfall, a MMORPG that offers (in theory) more than any other game to date. Developed by indy dev company. They're not able to throw in 50 programmers whos only responsibility is to make sure that those elf boobies are just right. They had to pick focus on what they wanted to do, either gameplay or superb desktop art.

Funcom picked the other one.
 

I am content with the graphics, but I understand how some have been disappointed. I am sure AoC and WAR offers much better graphics and animations.

Nevertheless, Darkfall is the pioneer game of this next generation MMORPG era. No game lasts forever, and so will not Darkfall. However, it opened our eyes for demanding more freedom from mainstream developers.

Yeah, I think it all comes down to your own personal priorities. If your priorities are graphics and sound, you might want to go for one of the really big companies' games, like AoC, Lotro(which I do play), Warhammer, WoW, or wait for Stargate or another upcoming game.

If your priorities are player freedom, choose Darkfall.

It's sort of like equating the people that chose Ultima Online versus Everquest, or people that choose Dark Messiah of Might and Magic over Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind.

Now, keep in mind one thing. Darkfall programmers and employees have promised us, that there is an extremely large amount of updates they're going to be giving this game.

Just like WWIIOL advanced over the years to a staggering change in not only gameplay and content, but graphics as well, Darkfall has stated they're going to be adding in prestige classes(if  that hasn't changed) which are activated in a way similar to the way Jedi were in SWG, as well as god knows what other content, and I would guess that they will within the first year figure out a way to give us better explosion animations and graphics, while keeping the framerate high, and most importantly, keep the latency low(which is their main priority with this game).

Originally posted by gotha

Originally posted by Ender4

vanguard graphics are terrible, everything is so ugly. AOC graphics are high quality but the artistic side of the game is pretty terrible. WAR graphics are low quality but artistically are better than AOC and it runs decently in large scale RvR.

I'm not going to judge darkfall until I see it in action in person but the graphics looked very uneven like it was shot from different phases of beta or like some of the older models aren't as good as the newer ones.

I still think the game is a complete failure at release though~ I hope I'm wrong but it has been too long in development at this point for me to have faith in it.

 

AOC art is fantastic on full settings.  Funcom pull their artist out of some of the top art school in europe.  Right about vanguard though

 

The graphics remind me most of an early 2000s cinematic trailer actually.  There are some areas though that are meh.  The world is huge and was designed back in 2003.  Would be close to impossible for them to redo the entire thing.

Depends on how they setup the world.

They may be able to make vast changes to the entire world by making centralized changes.  Also, I would wait until beta before you decide what the graphics are truly like.  The video was not made by some giant marketing department.  The devs just turned on fraps and staged some fights.

I usually care about graphic. But most MMOs today all have the same features, so the only thing that sets them apart is the choice of graphicstyle.

When it come to sandbox MMOs, i dont care about graphic. Its the freedom im after.

But if someone can show me another MMO with more features (100 vs100 manual aiming realtime combat) and better graphics, i will play it.