Yeah, threads like this stink of carebears, imo.

Like was already said, who the hell cares about graphics?

srsly gtfo with that crap, this is supposed to be a forum for gamers.

The past decade or so in the gaming industry has, for the most part, done nothing but improve graphics and ignored improving gameplay, in my opinion. So go play some of that crap if you want pretty.

Anyways.. Personally, i still thought that most of the graphics were pretty damn nice, and may even require me to upgrade lol.. Don't get what the hell most of you are even complaining about.

The only two things that bugged me about the visuals were already said though. The explosions from the cannon balls and the fire on the buildings? Yeah, those looked like a sprite animation ripped out of Doom or something, I'll admit lol.. but like was said, it wasn't running on top notch settings. If you want them to be prettier, I'm sure there's settings to make them prettier. To me, that bit reminded me of Counter-Strike, you can turn the smoke bombs into these choppy 2d looking sprite animations, or have them turned up to look like actual smoke. My guess is that's what happened with the cannon balls.

The other thing was yeah, that dwarf looked goofy as hell running down the slope haha, kinda like he was bouncing back and forth and wobbling like a fat furry penguin of some sort.

Overall, I'm still excited about the game. If it's not pretty enough for you then play something else. From the beginning this game's ultimate goal wasn't to be the prettiest, even though I personally thought a lot of the graphics were very nice, and much better than I was expecting from a pvp oriented game.

My main complaints with the video, is that I would've preferred to see a lot more footage from a player's playing perspective, rather than some weird kind of staged short movie. When we play, it's not going to be like that. It won't be synchornized people bouncing around and running out at certain times in perfect formations and I doubt one single orc is going to run up and scream a war cry at the wheel after seizing an enemy ship. Stuff like that just ticks me off, personally, but whatever. I saw like half a second showing that there i some sort of first person aiming stuff going on, which is what I was looking to see. Just wish they would've shown 17 minutes of that instead of whatever the hell the rest of that video was.

Originally posted by Rohn

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by Brenelael

Originally posted by zymurgeist

 

On screen with decent frame rates?  rofl.

On a decent computer with the graphics options turned down, yes. I played L2 for over 3 years and even mid ranged comps for the time could do playable frame rates in a siege with the graphics at a minimum. Sure you would have lag spikes now and then but nothing that was "game killing" as usually they were at the server level so everyone experienced them at the same time and they usually lasted less than 1 second. This is more than doable and to say it isn't is just plain ignorant. If a 5 year old game has pulled it off Darkfall certainly can.....no doubt in my mind.

 

Edit: Hell I even sieged once or twice on my craptastic Dell laptop. Sure the framerate wasn't great but it was still more than playable. Just a little annoying. 

 

Bren

 

Either your pain threshold is considerably higher than mine or low settings is stick figures.

 

Just curious, but how were your experiences with L2 mass combat?  How was lag for you?  What settings did you have to go to?

Thanks in advance.

I seriously don't think zymurgeist played Lineage II enough to get to any of the mass PvP battles. I could be wrong but he doesn't seem like the type. In L2 the mass PvP is really an endgame activity and it takes a lot of dedication to the game to get that far. L2 is not WoW by any means as the content isn't spoon fed to you by the developers. You have to go out and make it for yourself. In this respect L2 is a lot like DF should be as it was a very political game. The open PvP atmosphere created a world of shifting alliances and sometimes those allainces wouild lead to all out warfare on a scale I've never seen in any game before or since.

Also L2 bred friendships that far outlasted the game itself as in an open PvP game you really find out who your true friends are. L2 is a very political game that is all driven by the players themselves and my hope is Darkfall will be the same way. I finally just got bored with L2 after 3 1/2 years and needed a change. I'm hoping that Darkfall will be that change eventually but only time will tell at this point. I need to play the game before I can know if this is even a good game let alone the right game for me.

Bren

So what do we have to judge the game on? A 600+ MB Video. The graphics are about all that we can judge. And yes, they are important. MMO's need to create immersive, believable worlds - worlds people are willing to pay money to play in. What's more, all the griefer's and PK's that follow this game should welcome an inviting game world; it's hard to get your nut off fucking with people if no one else plays the game.

Besides, it's as absurd to criticize people for judging the games graphics as it is to praise the gameplay of a games you've NEVER played. How do you know the game is "Awesome!!"

Agree

Originally posted by Jadar

So what do we have to judge the game on? A 600+ MB Video. The graphics are about all that we can judge. And yes, they are important. MMO's need to create immersive, believable worlds - worlds people are willing to pay money to play in. What's more, all the griefer's and PK's that follow this game should welcome an inviting game world; it's hard to get your nut off fucking with people if no one else plays the game.

Besides, it's as absurd to criticize people for judging the games graphics as it is to praise the gameplay of a games you've NEVER played. How do you know the game is "Awesome!!"

Because Tasos said so.

Originally posted by singsofdeath

Originally posted by Jadar

So what do we have to judge the game on? A 600+ MB Video. The graphics are about all that we can judge. And yes, they are important. MMO's need to create immersive, believable worlds - worlds people are willing to pay money to play in. What's more, all the griefer's and PK's that follow this game should welcome an inviting game world; it's hard to get your nut off fucking with people if no one else plays the game.

Besides, it's as absurd to criticize people for judging the games graphics as it is to praise the gameplay of a games you've NEVER played. How do you know the game is "Awesome!!"

 

Because Tasos said so.

it will be if its in good shape

The grahics are not that impressive, for a title that has been in the works for years... but then again this game is supposed to be revolutionary and groundbreaking for GAMEPLAY, not graphics.

I look at this as a proof of life for this game. It has been basically a 'dead' game for years, with no  information coming out to show that it was real. This is a big step foward to show that this game does exist, and is moving forward.

What this game needs is a good publisher, to start the process of turnng this into a commercial product (with proper marketing, and exposure). Time will only tell how well this actually works out.

Originally posted by Jadar

So what do we have to judge the game on? A 600+ MB Video. The graphics are about all that we can judge. And yes, they are important. MMO's need to create immersive, believable worlds - worlds people are willing to pay money to play in. What's more, all the griefer's and PK's that follow this game should welcome an inviting game world; it's hard to get your nut off fucking with people if no one else plays the game.

Besides, it's as absurd to criticize people for judging the games graphics as it is to praise the gameplay of a games you've NEVER played. How do you know the game is "Awesome!!"

This post wins the thread. 

Originally posted by Aragon100

Originally posted by imbant

Originally posted by lotharr

About graphics and gameplay, doesn't EVE Online have quite good graphics and massive battle at the same time? I've heard of the occasional node crashes, but I've heard of succesful battles in the game, too.

 

Yea but once you get a fair amount of people together for a fight...it is a complete lag fest.  You get a nice 10 v 10 or 20 v 20 its a lot of fun and runs smooth if your personal hardware is good enough....but some people even have problems with that.

Go beyond that and you are just out of luck sometimes depending on where you are at.

Or simply try undocking in the main jita station....and then compare it to undocking in another system.

im not saying this is caused by its graphics only, this happens in a lot of mmos...but the higher graphics and the more lag you will get.

 

Hmmm seems EvE failed then where hopefully Darkfall will succeed?

Having a lagfeast cause of "too" good graphics isnt an option at all if you'd ask me.

Gameplay always own graphics.

Have a nice one

Dont get me wrong, EVE is a great game and they do a great job.  But once you get to a certain number of people on the screen at one time, the lag is going to come.   I havent played a game yet that it hasnt.

So DF has a bold claim that i cant wait to see if they can live up to.

Originally posted by cukimunga

Originally posted by javac

Some point to emphasise:

1) if you're judging the graphics from youtube without watching the hi-res version, your opinion is pretty worthless.

2) darkfall's graphics are not instanced in any way, it's a seamless world, with no zoning except for dungeons.

3) darkfall's graphics were designed for 100v100 battles at playable framerates.

4) the general standard of Darkfall graphics is very high, they are just let down a bit by *some* poorer quality graphical elements, specifically cannonball explosion effects are pretty ordinary, and some character animations are a bit jerky, eg: dwarves walking down slopes needs tweaking.

5) certain things, like Darkfall's outdoor environments, sky/clouds, and dynamic shadows are absolutely top-notch, not to mention the amazing wind/weather effects on trees & grass moving, eg: aerdian cat video.

6) it's still only a low-resolution video of footage taken on medium settings.

First off you contradicted yourself in points 1 and 2. First saying there is a hi res version and then saying there is only a low resolution version.

Wrong: zoning is not instancing. i thought everyone knew that.

Originally posted by VoodooHoodoo

Originally posted by Death1942

i accept the graphics are a tad crappy due to the tech requirements of the game but seriously...even for such a tech heavy game...they can do better ( and no doubt they will try).  SWG was pretty openworld/big and it managed to have way better graphics than what Darkfall currently has.

 

You never played 40 vs 40 in SWG combat then.  You could wait 6 seconds for any actions to happen. When was the last time you actually played a large PVP SWG battle? Mine was 2006 on a very decent PC at the time. FPS was not the issue, it was pure bandwidth.
 

SWG's list of "features":

Auto target. Check.
Physics. No check.
Running up vertical walls. Check.
Unable to jump something poking 6 inches off the ground. Check.
Weather system?  HAHAHAHAHA.
Collision detection? Not unless you mean doors opening when you got close.

Yes, SWG had better graphics, but it also had a much MUCH more limited engine to run on.

true but you have to take into account the time of the releases.  SWG came online way back in 03 and Darkfall is set for an 08 release.  i know they are a small team and needed the extra time but sometime in those 5 years they could have re-done models and textures to match or beat an 03 game.

Originally posted by lotharr

About graphics and gameplay, doesn't EVE Online have quite good graphics and massive battle at the same time? I've heard of the occasional node crashes, but I've heard of succesful battles in the game, too.

more than 20v20 in EVE is basically a slideshow, even with effects off and using the original lower quality client. the best large-scale PVP i've seen was DAOC, 100v100 was totally playable with minimal (but noticeable) lag.