Originally posted by Aragon100

Originally posted by Cereo

Originally posted by originalegg

yea definitely a niche game, and the fans of DF wouldnt have it any other way.  What makes these games great is the community and the fact that game is designed to appease a specific audience, so that audience is obviously going to love it. 

WoW is a great game.  It is.  Sorry but it is.  Is it my kind of game?  I played it because it was fun and my guild needed a new game.  Is it my kind of game?  Nope.  WoW is a game with a very low barrier of entry which business wise is insanely smart and they obviously know what they are doing.  And some people want nothing more out of a MMO, and thats great for them.

But DF's feature list is just drooltastic for some of us.  I personally love the sandboxy structure of EVE and played it for awhile, but im definitely more into the fantasy setting or at least being able to see my character and interact on a world rather than the sci-fi aspect.  Minus SWG pre-nge...we played the hell out of that game and i miss it.

 

How funny is this? Why did you say anything else, this is the important part you said. If cookie cutter/ low barrier of entry is insanely smart and obvious they know what they are doing then from that we can safely say Darkfall's production is insanely stupid and obviously they have no idea what they are doing, since its more of less the opposite of WoW. :)
 

 

Being insanely smart isnt the same as having developed a game that fit every playstyle.

A niche game like Darkfall with all its features havent been seen since UO went totally carebear february 2003.

The demand for a game like Darkfall will of course never be the same as easy mode WoW but for quality seekers like me with earlier experience from hardcore mode MMORPG games will never see WoW and similar games as games to play or get exited over. Those kind of games is just too bad.

 Have a nice day

To start off, I love the Have a nice day bit. I love the superior knowledge you think you think you "served" me with.
 

You have plenty of information you look over that is important. UO changed over to Tram/Fel because it WASN'T working. There didn't even have any real competition when they changed it over, it just wasn't working and they were losing subs. If you look at the sub history, they gained back a lot of subs after they did that. So your point is...?

Next you point out quality. Someone else mentioned this generally but this is your opinion. In most people's eyes, WoW is the quality in the market. Broken, unbalanced and unorganized hardcore rule games were never quality, they were just harsh and not really fun and they didn't catch on very well.

Finally, I am not positive but I gather you never played WoW. Do so and come back. It seems to me like you assumed it was so bad you would touch it. I thought so too as an old UO player, but I was wrong. UO was best times ever in its day... but honestly the current games are a lot more fun in a lot less time.

Originally posted by TheHoweller

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by terminaldogm

Originally posted by TdogSkal

You're not a very bright one, are you?

Lets talk about vaporware.  Like DNF, the phantom console, etc.  Here is the wiki definition of vaporware:

Vaporware is a somewhat derogatory term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar software/hardware product. The term implies unwarranted optimism, an as yet unannounced abandonment of a project, or sometimes even deception; that is, it may imply that the announcer knows that product development is in too early a stage to support responsible statements about its completion date, feature set, or even feasibility. However, most vaporware would not be considered a hoax since the makers have a genuine intention to create their product, even if it ultimately never materializes. Products with unspecified release dates or long development times that outwardly demonstrate regular, verifiable progress in production are not normally labelled vaporware.

So, if you had the slightest idea what you were blabbering about, you'd see several things:

1.  DF obviously fits the definiton of vaporware.  Hell, it should be listed as an example.

2.  The title of "vaporware" has already been earned.  DF could magically reach 100% completion tonight and come out tomorrow.  It would still be vaporware.

3.  Financial reality may be setting in...since it is fairly clear that DF is not a hoax, the game eventually has to be a) abandoned or b) released.  B is more attractive as it means SOME money can be recouped.

4.  Same thing happend w/ VG between Microsoft and SOE.  We all know what VG was like at release, and it definitely had well-documented development and an extended closed / open beta.

5.  Something usually does come out of vaporware...the phantom console / service became...the phantom lapboard. 

So, short version:  Yes, its vaporware.  It either will be eventually abandoned, or will be released in a horrid state simply to get some of the money invested back.  No, it doesn't matter which happens. 

Now, kindly STFU and return to fantasy land.

 

quoting and highlighting the 2 funniest parts of your post - the part that disproves your theory that you yourself quoted, and the part where you pwn yourself.

Javac, please read what is in the blue...Then show me how the eight years of development on Darkfall have been verified...Really...Show me an ounce of evidence other than quoted statements of Tasos (who isn't the most trustworthy of men) that backs your claim. 

I apologize Javac, but Darkfall is vaporware, and will continue to be so until it is released.  Even THEN it can still be considered vaporware if the game is far from the standards set by Adventurine.

But really, what does a label mean?  Fucking nothing, idiot.  The fact is we've another promise to wait for, and we still don't have that video we were waiting on... Fucking shit...

I read what's in blue and....

"Products with unspecified release dates or long development times that outwardly demonstrate regular, verifiable progress in production are not normally labelled vaporware."

Your "definition" do not classify DF as VW. Why ? Because a releasedate has never been published.

Originally posted by Cereo

Originally posted by originalegg

yea definitely a niche game, and the fans of DF wouldnt have it any other way.  What makes these games great is the community and the fact that game is designed to appease a specific audience, so that audience is obviously going to love it. 

WoW is a great game.  It is.  Sorry but it is.  Is it my kind of game?  I played it because it was fun and my guild needed a new game.  Is it my kind of game?  Nope.  WoW is a game with a very low barrier of entry which business wise is insanely smart and they obviously know what they are doing.  And some people want nothing more out of a MMO, and thats great for them.

But DF's feature list is just drooltastic for some of us.  I personally love the sandboxy structure of EVE and played it for awhile, but im definitely more into the fantasy setting or at least being able to see my character and interact on a world rather than the sci-fi aspect.  Minus SWG pre-nge...we played the hell out of that game and i miss it.

 

How funny is this? Why did you say anything else, this is the important part you said. If cookie cutter/ low barrier of entry is insanely smart and obvious they know what they are doing then from that we can safely say Darkfall's production is insanely stupid and obviously they have no idea what they are doing, since its more of less the opposite of WoW. :)
 

wow...its like he didnt even bother to read my post, and just scanned for a part where he could troll.  I like this, means they are getting even more nervous.

Originally posted by originalegg

Originally posted by Cereo

Originally posted by originalegg

yea definitely a niche game, and the fans of DF wouldnt have it any other way.  What makes these games great is the community and the fact that game is designed to appease a specific audience, so that audience is obviously going to love it. 

WoW is a great game.  It is.  Sorry but it is.  Is it my kind of game?  I played it because it was fun and my guild needed a new game.  Is it my kind of game?  Nope.  WoW is a game with a very low barrier of entry which business wise is insanely smart and they obviously know what they are doing.  And some people want nothing more out of a MMO, and thats great for them.

But DF's feature list is just drooltastic for some of us.  I personally love the sandboxy structure of EVE and played it for awhile, but im definitely more into the fantasy setting or at least being able to see my character and interact on a world rather than the sci-fi aspect.  Minus SWG pre-nge...we played the hell out of that game and i miss it.

 

How funny is this? Why did you say anything else, this is the important part you said. If cookie cutter/ low barrier of entry is insanely smart and obvious they know what they are doing then from that we can safely say Darkfall's production is insanely stupid and obviously they have no idea what they are doing, since its more of less the opposite of WoW. :)
 

 

wow...its like he didnt even bother to read my post, and just scanned for a part where he could troll.  I like this, means they are getting even more nervous.

Are you retarded?

/sarcasm  Yes, you are right. I only read the middle sentence of your post and then posted. /endsarcasm

Does that make any sense to read a random sentence in the middle and post? I read everything everyone has said, the sad thing is you don't read your OWN post. You clearly say its smart to make a game appeal to lots of people yet you think an oldschool hardcore niche is going to work.

What am I nervous about? If this game doesn't come out, I am not affected. If it comes out and its the best game ever, I am not affected. You just rant troll and nervous words and don't know what you are talking.about.

Originally posted by SgtFrog

Originally posted by TdogSkal

Originally posted by SgtFrog

Originally posted by TdogSkal

Originally posted by altairzq

lolcats are amazing.

 

About DARDKFAIL, it's not going to happen. And if it does, it will be so bad it will make lolcats cry. And this is very bad.

 

So your saying that Darkfall only has 2 possiable outcomes?  Not releasing or sucking on release?

How did you come up with that... what about 2 more opinions... It is great on release or it is playable on release?

You trolls are amazing.... Last week It was "it will never come out, its vaporware"... this week its "It will suck on release or not come out at all."  Way to cover your asses.

Please do us all a favor and dont play Darkfall on release, the last thing we need is a bunch of cry babies on the forums because they died and lost all there stuff.

what i think is amazing are the fanboys...they belive every lie darckfail says

 

What Lie?  can you prove they lied? No you can't.   Tasos has said many things that never happened but every game goes though that during Developement.

 

lol yoa just shot yourself in the foot.

no one has faild to meet so many prmises as that guy

They were never promises.  They were projections.  Projections change.   I never saw Tasos promise anything.

Originally posted by Cereo

Originally posted by originalegg

Originally posted by Cereo

Originally posted by originalegg

yea definitely a niche game, and the fans of DF wouldnt have it any other way.  What makes these games great is the community and the fact that game is designed to appease a specific audience, so that audience is obviously going to love it. 

WoW is a great game.  It is.  Sorry but it is.  Is it my kind of game?  I played it because it was fun and my guild needed a new game.  Is it my kind of game?  Nope.  WoW is a game with a very low barrier of entry which business wise is insanely smart and they obviously know what they are doing.  And some people want nothing more out of a MMO, and thats great for them.

But DF's feature list is just drooltastic for some of us.  I personally love the sandboxy structure of EVE and played it for awhile, but im definitely more into the fantasy setting or at least being able to see my character and interact on a world rather than the sci-fi aspect.  Minus SWG pre-nge...we played the hell out of that game and i miss it.

 

How funny is this? Why did you say anything else, this is the important part you said. If cookie cutter/ low barrier of entry is insanely smart and obvious they know what they are doing then from that we can safely say Darkfall's production is insanely stupid and obviously they have no idea what they are doing, since its more of less the opposite of WoW. :)
 

 

wow...its like he didnt even bother to read my post, and just scanned for a part where he could troll.  I like this, means they are getting even more nervous.

 

Are you retarded?

/sarcasm  Yes, you are right. I only read the middle sentence of your post and then posted. /endsarcasm

Does that make any sense to read a random sentence in the middle and post? I read everything everyone has said, the sad thing is you don't read your OWN post. You clearly say its smart to make a game appeal to lots of people yet you think an oldschool hardcore niche is going to work.

What am I nervous about? If this game doesn't come out, I am not affected. If it comes out and its the best game ever, I am not affected. You just rant troll and nervous words and don't know what you are talking.about.

Was the retarded part really neccesary ? Also I'm interested to know how you came to the conclusion that "Darkfall's production is insanely stupid and obviously they have no idea what they are doing, since its more of less the opposite of WoW. :)".

DF (probably) less development costs than WoW and need less subs to be successful. There is also something to be said about loyalty. A smaller group of fans are easier to please than a greater group. Your statement is in my eyes flawed.

WoW may be a quality product but it is also boring. Their customer service is "unpersonal" at best. I like a game where I can "hang" with the devs. WoW has grown to big for that. 

You may not be affected but you are wasting your time with a game you will not play.

Originally posted by mike470

Originally posted by TdogSkal 
 

 

Hi Tdog, guilds coming along nicely. It's a little early, but ya need to be patient with this kind of stuff, eh? 

Oh right, the post.  On with the discussion!

 

So your saying that Darkfall only has 2 possiable outcomes?  Not releasing or sucking on release?

The chances of DF having a decent release are very slim.  Beta for a month, then release?  One month, especially with all of these "features" that DF has..  I'm very doubtful.  Professional testers are nice, but you need more than 10-200 people to test a game; especially with all of Darkfall's "features"

How did you come up with that... what about 2 more opinions... It is great on release or it is playable on release?

As I said above, that seems like a slim chance.  Beta is important..isn't that what you do an an intern?

You trolls are amazing.... Last week It was "it will never come out, its vaporware"... this week its "It will suck on release or not come out at all."  Way to cover your asses.

There's a possibility of vaporware; although it is a less of a chance than before.  There is nothing wrong with changing the arguement, especially when things happen this suddenly.

Honestly, if DF releases, I don't see a good release.  But, I guess that makes me a troll thinking differently.

Please do us all a favor and dont play Darkfall on release, the last thing we need is a bunch of cry babies on the forums because they died and lost all there stuff.

hehe.  I played a full loot game for six years, and I'm going to begin playing another one if I like the free version and can join a decent village.  I've died and lost so many valuable things, but I stick around. 

Aren't you the one who says not to generalize?

 

 

The point is you haters are just changing your story to fit the latest news.  Its is not vaporware now that we have a date for beta, so now it will have a bad release.   It would be one thing if you haters said that Darkfall is going to be a crap game on release, then you would be fine... But when you say over and over that Darkfall is a hoax, its vaporware, it will never release, then we find out this information and all of you change your arguement to fit it.

Its like saying Well the Detroit Red Wings suck and will never win a playoff game, then after they win there first playoff game, coming back and saying well they will never win a championship.  Its pretty much makes your arguement worthless because you cant stick to your guns.

Us so called fanbois have never changed our arguement that Darkfall is real and it will release why should you hates be able to adapt your arguement to fit the current news everytime some news comes along?

Glad the guilds going well... CoS is going well.   Mike, your not a troll because you have a different opinion, your a troll because all you are doing is creating a useless arguement based on the information at hand, as that information changes, so does your arguement.  That is trolling.

I've never said Darkfall is a hoax, might have said so a long time ago, but my opinion is and has been for a long time, that the game will not launch with all features included and/or working. *shrugs*

And I'm still not sure if the free playtesting will actually come to pass, but I'm willing to give that the benefit of doubt for now. Anyway, that's that. No, DF is not a hoax. It will eventually release (when is still up in the air), but it won#t be the game they promised.

Originally posted by singsofdeath

I've never said Darkfall is a hoax, might have said so a long time ago, but my opinion is and has been for a long time, that the game will not launch with all features included and/or working. *shrugs*

 

And I'm still not sure if the free playtesting will actually come to pass, but I'm willing to give that the benefit of doubt for now. Anyway, that's that. No, DF is not a hoax. It will eventually release (when is still up in the air), but it won#t be the game they promised.

What hell is with this promised bullshit?  The Developers never promied anything.  NOTHING WAS OR IS PROMISED. 

Its like saying Mythic lied to everyone because they are not going to release the game with all cities and classes they "promised".  

Common sense is a great tool, too bad you have none.