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Originally posted by GMny

Originally posted by lotharr

The graphics in that screenshot look indeed pretty outdated. Did you notice, it reads 2006 in the lower left corner?

 

ok then lets take a look at a 2008 one shall we?

What the hell is this supposed to be? Look at the tree models. LOL!!!  Look at the horrid texture work. The terrible color pallette.

This is NOT professional graphics work.

Asheron's Call 2 which was released in 2002 had completely superior graphics to what Darkfall has right now. That's how bad it is.

There's an Asheron's Call 2 picture for you.

World of Warcraft wasn't exactly a graphical masterpiece, not even the year it was released. Does that tell something about the importance of graphics?

Originally posted by lotharr

There's an Asheron's Call 2 picture for you.

World of Warcraft wasn't exactly a graphical masterpiece, not even the year it was released. Does that tell something about the importance of graphics?

Look, there is a big difference. It's called audience. 

World of Warcraft's graphics ARE good, if you consider the audience. They want a cartoon-ish world, that is easy to adopt. They want even children, with old hardware, to be able to play their game. They want them to feel at home. 

So a low-poly, carton-ish textures, was EXACTLY what they needed and it suits their needs.

But Darkfall is a VERY different game. It aims at hardcore pvp'ers, who usually has high-end hardware. The fact that Darkfall tries to look nice, but with very low-poly models, is doomed to failure before they even try.

They are trying to reach a wide audience, in terms of hardware, yet they try think they can make us think it's top-cool graphics. It just ain't happening.

Originally posted by Chadk

Look, there is a big difference. It's called audience. 

World of Warcraft's graphics ARE good, if you consider the audience. They want a cartoon-ish world, that is easy to adopt. They want even children, with old hardware, to be able to play their game. They want them to feel at home. 

So a low-poly, carton-ish textures, was EXACTLY what they needed and it suits their needs.

Their whole target audience was definitely not only consisting of children.

People varying from very young to very old play World of Warcraft. The audience was exactly as variable when the game was in development, as the Warcraft series already had a large fanbase.

More likely, the actual reason is, that people with indeed old hardware will be able to play it just as well as people with the best computer on the market. They want the graphics to be fluid and easy on the eyes.

But Darkfall is a VERY different game. It aims at hardcore pvp'ers, who usually has high-end hardware. The fact that Darkfall tries to look nice, but with very low-poly models, is doomed to failure before they even try.

Actually, no. Darkfall is not attempting to push the best graphics on the market. What they're attempting is basically that people could play it smoothly, without any heavy graphics engine making the game a slideshow.

The main difference here is, that Darkfall does not have instances like Age of Conan does, for example. They do not want the battles to be limited to a definite number of people, just so they could have better graphics in place. They are trying to make the game an MMORPG with the two big M letters in the front.

Everytime MMO gamers complain about less than cutting edge graphics they're telling developers they want more instancing.  If you don't understand why that is please take the time to educate yourself.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Everytime MMO gamers complain about less than cutting edge graphics they're telling developers they want more instancing.  If you don't understand why that is please take the time to educate yourself.

Quoted for the truth. My point in a nutshell.

Originally posted by GMny

ok then lets take a look at a 2008 one shall we?

Look at the tree models. LOL!!!  Look at the texture work. The color pallette.

This is professional graphics work.

Wow, this is great, the trees look really realistic, the closest tree to the camera is almost photorealistic. Much much nicer than both WOW and Warhammer.

Originally posted by FischerBlack

Being an Aussie i get horrible pings either way... Euro server sounds fine to me

gotta love the flexibility

i remember ordering a few Euro games becuase of delayed/non existant launches in the US.

Originally posted by Trogg13

Originally posted by GMny

ok then lets take a look at a 2008 one shall we?

Look at the tree models. LOL!!!  Look at the texture work. The color pallette.

This is professional graphics work.

 

Wow, this is great, the trees look really realistic, the closest tree to the camera is almost photorealistic. Much much nicer than both WOW and Warhammer.

 

 

 

Absolutely agree.
I find Darkfall environment the best of any game so far, it looks really like a fantasy.
I mean there is something surreal about it, a bit like a nice painting (yes I particularly like the orange palette, it feels dirty, decadent, gritty and somehow gothic)

I am not so sure on the character models though, but the environment is very interesting, best graphic for a fantasy MMO so far IMO.

Sigh...the graphics in DF are fine.  All you metros should be concentrating on the game play.  Assuming there is any.

Originally posted by GMny

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/33900.html

Just watch this video and you'll see how great Darkfall graphics really are.

There is absolutely NO COMPARISON between AoC graphics and Darkfalls.

You're trying to compare a direct X 10 engine with all the newest FX and professional modelling work to an Engine that is like 5 years old or more with sub par modelling work.

That video you linked is pre-rendered machinima... can't you tell? it is not a gameplay video, though it does contain 10-15secs of actual gameplay in the middle.

Also, AoC is based on a year 2000 engine (the same core as for AO), and does not yet support DX10 either.

No wonder you're confused.

In terms of actual gameplay videos and screens, the DF and AoC graphics are very comparable, and both are a lot better than WOW and Warhammer. Shame that AoC's graphic don't live up to the gameplay...

It takes a lot of money to run servers.  Ones in the US are going to require personell.  It's not as easy as simply setting up servers and putting the game up for digital distribution. 

I imagine they have a lot of things that would need to be worked out in a distribution deal, making it much harder then if they were located here in the US. 

Regardless, knowing that they are preparing the infrastructure for a EU release is reassuring.

Why some of you want this game to be vapor ware more then you want it released is simply beyond me.  Seems a rather retarded line of thinking if you ask me.

Originally posted by Fariic

It takes a lot of money to run servers.  Ones in the US are going to require personell.  It's not as easy as simply setting up servers and putting the game up for digital distribution. 

I imagine they have a lot of things that would need to be worked out in a distribution deal, making it much harder then if they were located here in the US. 

Regardless, knowing that they are preparing the infrastructure for a EU release is reassuring.

Why some of you want this game to be vapor ware more then you want it released is simply beyond me.  Seems a rather retarded line of thinking if you ask me.

Yes. And I don't like how it causes threads about people reviewing the game to be locked either. In fact, it kinda pisses me off. I think Trey Parker and Matt Stone described the feeling pretty epicly with their assholes/dicks/pussies analogy.