Originally posted by radlin

Most MMOs delay their release dates to finish and polish their games.  That's certainly understood.

But then we have "Darkfall".

A game that supposedly entered its closed beta testing back in September of 2003.

Uhh, that's FIVE, count 'em... FIVE years ago. 

No game has promised to go into beta testing and five years later still not even came up with a freaking in game footage video.

But okay.  Keep comparing this vaporware to actual games like Warhammer Online and Age of Conan.

Warhammer Online and Age of Conan are overproduced games which have had to cut a lot of their features, because the kids want the chicken into the table on the very moment they hear it's in the oven or they start crying. That is a theory which has been proven with Darkfall.

It's for sure that in the beginning Aventurine/Razorwax overestimated their work power. Darkfall and its website was brought to the public way too early. Their PR, crowd control and estimation skills aren't the best, either. Remember what Funcom's first MMO, Anarchy Online was like in the development and the release?

Tasos has openly told their targets to the public (which have been bended to "official release dates" over the time here) and the PR has been very sparse, too. That doesn't make the game instantly a scam, though. Remember, the only time Tasos has stated an official beta release date is this year.

The game has been probably in full on production for about five or six years, that's not over the top for a game like this and a company as small as Aventurine, is it? EVE Online was in production for something like six years, as far as I know.

The game didn't enter closed beta five years ago, it was and inhouse beta. They're most likely not having a closed beta, they're having a bunch of professional testers doing the beta testing to the game. Like they've said, people treat beta nowadays as a long trial of the actual game and base their opinions off it. That is the reason they're going to have a few weeks of open "beta" before the release.

I doubt they're heading for a pre-order scam if they make statements like "you're not going to have pay anything at all to test the game". If the open beta opens someday, then, we will be able to judge the game with an actual base for the statements.

There has been an actual (by a fan, not by Aventurine) poll on the official Darkfall forums, which was considering paying for getting to beta or playing ahead of the release and most of the votes were "no". Most of the Darkfall community is very jaded and steep when it comes to things like this. As no fan has had to pay anything and no one has been hurt, there is no need to soothsay this game's destiny.

Originally posted by radlin

 

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Originally posted by Vansinne
No offence, but atleast think about it. Do you think that it is normal to spam hateposts on regular basis? I'm not saying you do it but the trolls in common.

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Another FAIL at even attempting to give me something solid as to why you would actually believe anything about Darkfall or that Talos says after seeing so much information that I and others have given to you, pretty solid reasons that SHOULD atleast make you go "Hmmmm"

And to answer your question, I can only speak for myself. But trust me it is not the fans like yourself or anyone else here that I hate. In fact, my honest attempt here is to save you from heartbreak, major disappointment, and despair. My anger goes out to the corruption that I honestly believe is taking place with this game. I don't believe for one second that they even think they can make a game of this magnitude. After all this time, I see it as nothing more then nothing but hype, propaganda, and probably attempts to obtain investors cold hard cash.. and maybe you fans cash too. Corruption and lies and people who try and use other peoples dreams or needs as weaknesses to prey on them is what I hate. No telling how many fans have been caught up in this mysterious web of deceit, lies, and empty promises already. And in the end, all that will be left is shattered hopes, empty wallets (at least some investors wallets) and a broken game that never had a chance from the start.

 

But you think it's normal? That this is how everyone at internet shall behave?. Yeah lucky for us you guys just hang at the internet an not lurking around at playgrounds.

Darkfall has been promising to release starting back in 2003.  But they didn't release.   Back then they had coverage in major game media.  Now they have no coverage.  Back then they had screenshots, a video or two, and interacted with the community.  Now they have screenshots, a video or two, and don't interact with the community.  It's the same shit as always, the chance of this game releasing in 2008 is smaller than it was in 2003.  In 2003 they had a date set for beta.  In 2003 a lot of mainstream gamers actually believed the game was coming out soon, now only morons think that.

What don't you understand about all that?  Are you really one of the morons?  From all outside appearances the state of development of the game has not changed in five years.  Same promises, same empty talk, the only difference is by now no one in the mainstream of the gaming industry even pays attention to this project.  Back in 2003 a lot of people were paying attention because they thought there was an actual game being made.

There was a little bit of playable amateurish crap back in 2003, some journalists actually got to log into the game world and mess with it back then [I think on a lan].  Sure there, is a bit of amateurish crap that is probably possibe to "play" now, just as there was five years ago.  But a professional game?  No.  That's why the professionals in the gaming industry don't pay attention to this "game" anymore, if it ever releases it will be like some shit that comes out of a 15 year old's garage running on his mom's computer. 

The only question about Darkfall is why did they make such grand claims about their abilities and game features?  If you read some of the investigations that Polarization has made and posted here, these developers have nowhere near the experience, resources, or ability to even accomplish a small fraction of their claims, such as "A game world as large as the nation of Germany."  What a laugh. 

The chance of Atriarch being released is higher than Darkfall being released.  And if Darkfall does release, please, whatever you do, don't let them take your money before you get to play the game!  Just don't do it.  DON'T.  You will get burned for sure.  I followed this game since 2001, and very closely for the first five years.  Nothing has come from this development team but lies and deceit.  In 2003 Darkfall was talked about and interviewed by all kinds of mainstream gaming publications, now nothing?  Don't you wonder why gaming journalists don't talk to them anymore?  Don't tell me "Women Gamers of Greece", lol.  Be serious. 

Go read about bitboys and their awesome graphics processors.  It's the same damn thing, it happens all the time.  There is investor money to be had.  Already the first investors from Razorwax lost a lot of money supporting this project, as we know for a fact thanks to Polarization.  The main question I still want answered is:  Is this Darkfall project bankrolled by Tasos' uncle?  I think the answer might be yes.  Just a thought, though.  Just a guess.  Bye.

Originally posted by SuperCrap

Darkfall has been promising to release starting back in 2003.  But they didn't release.   Back then they had coverage in major game media.  Now they have no coverage.  Back then they had screenshots, a video or two, and interacted with the community.  Now they have screenshots, a video or two, and don't interact with the community.  It's the same shit as always, the chance of this game releasing in 2008 is smaller than it was in 2003.  In 2003 they had a date set for beta.  In 2003 a lot of mainstream gamers actually believed the game was coming out soon, now only morons think that.

 

What don't you understand about all that?  Are you really one of the morons?  From all outside appearances the state of development of the game has not changed in five years.  Same promises, same empty talk, the only difference is by now no one in the mainstream of the gaming industry even pays attention to this project.  Back in 2003 a lot of people were paying attention because they thought there was an actual game being made.

 

There was a little bit of playable amateurish crap back in 2003, some journalists actually got to log into the game world and mess with it back then [I think on a lan].  Sure there, is a bit of amateurish crap that is probably possibe to "play" now, just as there was five years ago.  But a professional game?  No.  That's why the professionals in the gaming industry don't pay attention to this "game" anymore, if it ever releases it will be like some shit that comes out of a 15 year old's garage running on his mom's computer. 

 

The only question about Darkfall is why did they make such grand claims about their abilities and game features?  If you read some of the investigations that Polarization has made and posted here, these developers have nowhere near the experience, resources, or ability to even accomplish a small fraction of their claims, such as "A game world as large as the nation of Germany."  What a laugh. 

 

The chance of Atriarch being released is higher than Darkfall being released.  And if Darkfall does release, please, whatever you do, don't let them take your money before you get to play the game!  Just don't do it.  DON'T.  You will get burned for sure.  I followed this game since 2001, and very closely for the first five years.  Nothing has come from this development team but lies and deceit.  In 2003 Darkfall was talked about and interviewed by all kinds of mainstream gaming publications, now nothing?  Don't you wonder why gaming journalists don't talk to them anymore?  Don't tell me "Women Gamers of Greece", lol.  Be serious. 

 

Go read about bitboys and their awesome graphics processors.  It's the same damn thing, it happens all the time.  There is investor money to be had.  Already the first investors from Razorwax lost a lot of money supporting this project, as we know for a fact thanks to Polarization.  The main question I still want answered is:  Is this Darkfall project bankrolled by Tasos' uncle?  I think the answer might be yes.  Just a thought, though.  Just a guess.  Bye.

wth that other game doesnt have any updates at all.. and they havent said anything for along time...

this is just plain /facepalm really.

Also did you know darkfall is on the list for games. for why you are quiting wow.  if that doesnt saya nything then i dont know what will

 Also taso said ti isnt has big as germany. that was some fan making thing sup.

Originally posted by Xxeon

 

wth that other game doesnt have any updates at all.. and they havent said anything for along time...

this is just plain /facepalm really.

Also did you know darkfall is on the list for games. for why you are quiting wow.  if that doesnt saya nything then i dont know what will

 Also taso said ti isnt has big as germany. that was some fan making thing sup.

You really don't know what you are talking about.  Did you read what I wrote that I followed this game since 2001 and followed it very closerly for the first five years?  Don't be a sucker, an "easy mark" that the guys on the street look for when they want to kick someone's ass and take their wallet.  Look around you and open your eyes.  Wake up to reality, don't be a shmuck.  Thanks.

If this isn't released in 2008.

I am going to Athens Greece on a trip next March Break around the 12th or so, so I will represent the MMORPG.com forum community and attempt to do a little Q & A, depending on whether Tasos ever PMs me back on the Darkfall Forums.

I will be starting a thread closer to that time period if it doesn't release where people can ask some serious questions and get some answers hopefully.

I will also be the first tourist to bring a camera with me, lawl.

I've got 3 days to find the building they call Aventurine S.A.

Originally posted by mrroboto40

I will also be the first tourist to bring a camera with me, lawl.

 

I've got 3 days to find the building they call Aventurine S.A.

These comments made me smile.

Originally posted by mrroboto40

If this isn't released in 2008.

 

I am going to Athens Greece on a trip next March Break around the 12th or so, so I will represent the MMORPG.com forum community and attempt to do a little Q & A, depending on whether Tasos ever PMs me back on the Darkfall Forums.

 

I will be starting a thread closer to that time period if it doesn't release where people can ask some serious questions and get some answers hopefully.

 

I will also be the first tourist to bring a camera with me, lawl.

 

I've got 3 days to find the building they call Aventurine S.A.

People have tried that before, and were just ignored.  Not that you shouldn't try it again.  Greece is a nice place to vacation from what I hear.  It would be even funnier if they try to ignore you and you show up on their doorstep with cameras, "Why won't you talk to Darkfall forum members about your project?  Why won't you let us come inside??"  LOL.  :)

Originally posted by SuperCrap

Originally posted by mrroboto40

If this isn't released in 2008.

 

I am going to Athens Greece on a trip next March Break around the 12th or so, so I will represent the MMORPG.com forum community and attempt to do a little Q & A, depending on whether Tasos ever PMs me back on the Darkfall Forums.

 

I will be starting a thread closer to that time period if it doesn't release where people can ask some serious questions and get some answers hopefully.

 

I will also be the first tourist to bring a camera with me, lawl.

 

I've got 3 days to find the building they call Aventurine S.A.

 

People have tried that before, and were just ignored.  Not that you shouldn't try it again.  Greece is a nice place to vacation from what I hear.  It would be even funnier if they try to ignore you and you show up on their doorstep with cameras, "Why won't you talk to Darkfall forum members about your project?  Why won't you let us come inside??"  LOL.  :)

I think I'll actually buy a video camera, and just be like, yah.

I think I should break in, steal their code, bring it back to Canada, and give it to BioWare.

EDIT: If I get ignored, I'l calling them once I get there and recording my conversation, uploading it to MMORPG.com and then let us "Vapourware Trolls" use it against em Fanboi's.

Originally posted by SuperCrap

Darkfall has been promising to release starting back in 2003.  But they didn't release.   Back then they had coverage in major game media.  Now they have no coverage.  Back then they had screenshots, a video or two, and interacted with the community.  Now they have screenshots, a video or two, and don't interact with the community.  It's the same shit as always, the chance of this game releasing in 2008 is smaller than it was in 2003.  In 2003 they had a date set for beta.  In 2003 a lot of mainstream gamers actually believed the game was coming out soon, now only morons think that.

Starting back in 2003? The only time they've actually said such things about release are in 2003 and 2008. Tasos has only given estimates of their work progress in other years, as far as I know. Now, back in 2003, the game they were working on was a completely different one. They basically rescaled and restarted the whole project. Now, since 2003 to this day, they've been producing the "new" Darkfall.

Also, could you link me to some of this coverage in major game media? Sounds like something new to me.

What don't you understand about all that?  Are you really one of the morons?  From all outside appearances the state of development of the game has not changed in five years.  Same promises, same empty talk, the only difference is by now no one in the mainstream of the gaming industry even pays attention to this project.  Back in 2003 a lot of people were paying attention because they thought there was an actual game being made.

Indeed, the PR isn't the best around. A lot should be proven with the comprehensive video, either in a good or a bad way. Anyway, what is your opinion on the fact that Womengamers.com actually visited the Aventurine's studios where there were people working, if you believe that there is not an actual game being made?

There was a little bit of playable amateurish crap back in 2003, some journalists actually got to log into the game world and mess with it back then [I think on a lan].  Sure there, is a bit of amateurish crap that is probably possibe to "play" now, just as there was five years ago.  But a professional game?  No.  That's why the professionals in the gaming industry don't pay attention to this "game" anymore, if it ever releases it will be like some shit that comes out of a 15 year old's garage running on his mom's computer. 

That sounds definitely awesome, which journalists? Any links?

As far as I know, Asp (from LoD, a fairly big guild) got to log on Darkfall and play it. It wasn't the newest version, but anyways, he proved that the game exists. What would you say about the hundreds of photos they've released? All renders?

The comment about released version, is just a prediction, which are basically based on nothing.

The only question about Darkfall is why did they make such grand claims about their abilities and game features?  If you read some of the investigations that Polarization has made and posted here, these developers have nowhere near the experience, resources, or ability to even accomplish a small fraction of their claims, such as "A game world as large as the nation of Germany."  What a laugh. 

The claim that the game world would be as large as Germany is not it place. A game world bigger than some countries in real world is the actual claim which Tasos made. It's a pretty vague comment, in my opinion.

The chance of Atriarch being released is higher than Darkfall being released.  And if Darkfall does release, please, whatever you do, don't let them take your money before you get to play the game!  Just don't do it.  DON'T.  You will get burned for sure.  I followed this game since 2001, and very closely for the first five years.  Nothing has come from this development team but lies and deceit.  In 2003 Darkfall was talked about and interviewed by all kinds of mainstream gaming publications, now nothing?  Don't you wonder why gaming journalists don't talk to them anymore?  Don't tell me "Women Gamers of Greece", lol.  Be serious. 

They've stated, that they will not take of your money to get to play the game. Not exactly a comment a person who is trying to twist a scam, is it?

Also, most of the Darkfall's community would be very steep with pre-orders or trying to get money to beta test, after the claims they've made.

Aventurine doesn't exactly beg people to visit their studios, they don't beg for a hype around the game. People are free to visit their studios if they arrange the meeting before. Go find out if you're interested. Womengamers.com isn't exactly a mainstream gaming site, but definitely not a scam site either. Their visit in the Aventurines office proved at least something.

Go read about bitboys and their awesome graphics processors.  It's the same damn thing, it happens all the time.  There is investor money to be had.  Already the first investors from Razorwax lost a lot of money supporting this project, as we know for a fact thanks to Polarization.  The main question I still want answered is:  Is this Darkfall project bankrolled by Tasos' uncle?  I think the answer might be yes.  Just a thought, though.  Just a guess.  Bye.

Fact from Polarization? Any sources to prove this point? If they would've tried to "scam" any money, why would they have another studio set up, under the same project name? Are you, by any chance, Polarization? Just a guess.

When you claim that people at Aventurine are making up things, yet present these so called "facts"  yourself, please, give us a link to something what could verify this information. You claim the whole game to be thin air, while that's what your own talk actually is. Stop being such a hypocrite.