Originally posted by orlac

Duke Nukem Forever!!!

has nothing to do with darkfall.

I'm lazy so I found the first thing I came across..

"What you can look forward to in the immediate future as we move forward with our closed beta, is the beta registration process for individual players and for guilds to open up, a new Darkfall website, screenshots from our current build, in-game movies, and of course our regular content updates. "

Tasos said that  on 09-30-2003, 06:52 PM. Now while this isn't a "official announcement", 5 years off seems like enough to be upset about. If a game takes 2 years to make, great. If it takes 10, great. If you say it will take 2 and its takes 10, and continue over and over to lie about it, then there's a problem. I don't see how you can't understand that. Tasos updates us about the  game and whats going on, not to take his word as official is ironically pleasant for you. You don't take the lies to heart but you take the stuff you want to be true to heart and official.

Originally posted by Cereo

Next, I don't know a lot about DAOC, as I was still playing UO far passed when that game released. I will agree that it came out in that time, but I read most of the article. You mentioned one small fact. You didn't mention they already had the technology to make it, that he said "they had more experience making online games than any other company at that time", and they had the client and the server ready to go. I don't see your point really. They had 25 of the most experienced people in the online world, all the technology, and even the story they just borrowed as well.

you missed the important part about how DAOC was their first MMOG, indeed it was their first client/server game, they mention in the article they had to do all the research and implement the client/server stuff from scratch. they would have had a lot of experience with developing the client, but then in an MMO, that's the easiest bit ;-)

iut's also worth mentioning that Aventurine would of course have hired experience modellers, animators, and coders... the only experience that the DAOC team had was in management of software projects, but that only counts for so much versus the actual implementation.

Originally posted by Xxeon

except for the fact audio visual did say they made a deal with aventurine. to distibute for them. Whjy would anyone make a deal if they arent at least planing on releasing it.

AVE did not agree to distributing it. They agreed to agree to distrbuting it. Why would they do that? Why not!
 

We're at 5 months and counting. They have no public beta, either open or closed. They have no binding agreement for distribution in Europe. They have no agreement we know of for the US. They have no agreements for billing, tech support, customer support, etc. No word on how they plan on publishing (i.e. servers). They haven't released a video that shows more than walking around. They have no screen shots showing anything remotely interesting. They have no main stream media reports. They don't even have "local media" showing the game! They have... nothing.

Sadly, the best arguement that can be made for the support of this game ever seeing the light of day amounts to "Half Life was published."

(Which was built on the Quake engine.)

Originally posted by Cereo

"What you can look forward to in the immediate future as we move forward with our closed beta, is the beta registration process for individual players and for guilds to open up, a new Darkfall website, screenshots from our current build, in-game movies, and of course our regular content updates. "

Tasos said that  on 09-30-2003, 06:52 PM. Now while this isn't a "official announcement", 5 years off seems like enough to be upset about. If a game takes 2 years to make, great. If it takes 10, great. If you say it will take 2 and its takes 10, and continue over and over to lie about it, then there's a problem. I don't see how you can't understand that. Tasos updates us about the  game and whats going on, not to take his word as official is ironically pleasant for you. You don't take the lies to heart but you take the stuff you want to be true to heart and official.

I don't see how you can't understand that in 2003, Darkfall was developed by a company of 4 people, which then became a company of 20-25 people with a ton more money and so they decided to massively expand the scope of the game.

the 2006 beta talk is more eye-brow-raising to me than 2003, but i can understand both, it's their prerogative to announce and release when it suits them, doesn't bother me cause i would rather play the game when it's ready, rather than a buggy POS (*cough* AoC).

even so, they weren't LIES because they never made promises nor did they make official announcements - in other words, it doesn't count for shit.

Originally posted by roguetech

Originally posted by Xxeon

except for the fact audio visual did say they made a deal with aventurine. to distibute for them. Whjy would anyone make a deal if they arent at least planing on releasing it.

AVE did not agree to distributing it. They agreed to agree to distrbuting it. Why would they do that? Why not!
 

We're at 5 months and counting. They have no public beta, either open or closed. They have no binding agreement for distribution in Europe. They have no agreement we know of for the US. They have no agreements for billing, tech support, customer support, etc. No word on how they plan on publishing (i.e. servers). They haven't released a video that shows more than walking around. They have no screen shots showing anything remotely interesting. They have no main stream media reports. They don't even have "local media" showing the game! They have... nothing.

Sadly, the best arguement that can be made for the support of this game ever seeing the light of day amounts to "Half Life was published."

(Which was built on the Quake engine.)

no point answering people who spout baldface lies.

Originally posted by PerlFtwin14

Originally posted by roguetech

Originally posted by Xxeon

except for the fact audio visual did say they made a deal with aventurine. to distibute for them. Whjy would anyone make a deal if they arent at least planing on releasing it.

AVE did not agree to distributing it. They agreed to agree to distrbuting it. Why would they do that? Why not!
 

We're at 5 months and counting. They have no public beta, either open or closed. They have no binding agreement for distribution in Europe. They have no agreement we know of for the US. They have no agreements for billing, tech support, customer support, etc. No word on how they plan on publishing (i.e. servers). They haven't released a video that shows more than walking around. They have no screen shots showing anything remotely interesting. They have no main stream media reports. They don't even have "local media" showing the game! They have... nothing.

Sadly, the best arguement that can be made for the support of this game ever seeing the light of day amounts to "Half Life was published."

(Which was built on the Quake engine.)

 

no point answering people who spout baldface lies.

 

 

LOl yea he bassiccly calling audio visual liars now too Wow the length the naysayers go too LOL

so when the vid comes out next month its render right LMAO or faked HAHAHAHA. i doubt it

there hasnt even been an official announcemeant on Audio visual yet.

Originally posted by Xxeon

Originally posted by PerlFtwin14

Originally posted by roguetech

Originally posted by Xxeon

except for the fact audio visual did say they made a deal with aventurine. to distibute for them. Whjy would anyone make a deal if they arent at least planing on releasing it.

AVE did not agree to distributing it. They agreed to agree to distrbuting it. Why would they do that? Why not!
 

We're at 5 months and counting. They have no public beta, either open or closed. They have no binding agreement for distribution in Europe. They have no agreement we know of for the US. They have no agreements for billing, tech support, customer support, etc. No word on how they plan on publishing (i.e. servers). They haven't released a video that shows more than walking around. They have no screen shots showing anything remotely interesting. They have no main stream media reports. They don't even have "local media" showing the game! They have... nothing.

Sadly, the best arguement that can be made for the support of this game ever seeing the light of day amounts to "Half Life was published."

(Which was built on the Quake engine.)

 

no point answering people who spout baldface lies.

 

 

 

LOl yea he bassiccly calling audio visual liars now too Wow the length the naysayers go too LOL

so when the vid comes out next month its render right LMAO or faked HAHAHAHA. i doubt it

 

there hasnt even been an official announcemeant on Audio visual yet.

Audio Visual signed a Memorandum of Cooperation (see below). Granted, we do not know for a fact that it is not a binding agreement, but we don't know that it is (which is what my point was, that so far as we know, they have not signed a contract for distribution in Europe).

So, please, tell me what is incorrect in my statements.

As translated by Google:

In signing a memorandum of cooperation with the company Aventurine, with the sole purpose printing, distribution and operation of online games subscriber (on line gaming) in all countries of Europe went the Audiovisual as announced by company chairman Mr John Kourtesis, according to an official announcement the listed.

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Originally posted by chokepoint

For some much-needed perspective in these forums, here's just a few that have made Wired's annual vaporware list, several of them for several years in a row:

- Unreal

- Warcraft 3

- Diablo 2

- Half-Life 2

- Team Fortress 2

 

Funny that all 5 of the above games turned out to be amongst the best games ever made in their respective genres...

 

Just a thought.

 

edit: much to my surprise the original Half-Life was also labelled vaporware and "too ambitious" by several industry commentators, and also struggled for a long time to find a publisher.

 

All that really proves is that Wired don't fully understand the concept of vapourware?

Meh..

if they deliver everything they promised in this game, fuck yes will i buy it.  the magnitude of their promises though, for anyone who remembers Shadowbane Beta Tales where Ashen said the same thing (mobs that relocate, dynamic this and that) is discouraging for most people.  if they have these promises, they have to show what they're doing in-depth so that people know they're not hollow.  i don't believe this game is a scam, but i believe that if it releases it will be mostly unfinished p2beta.  they've been teasing us for near 8 years with it's features, and while i'd definitely take it if it delivered even half of those, it failing to would be the ultimate orgasm denial for everyone who's been waiting on a savior game

Originally posted by Zinzan

All that really proves is that Wired don't fully understand the concept of vapourware?

Are you saying you're more of a consumer technology expert than Wired? hmm ok

The obvious reason why Darkfall has never been labelled vapourware by Wired or any other reputable source I guess is that Darkfall has never named an official release date... until now.