Originally posted by Dradiin

 

Originally posted by 1Ness

Let's put things into PERSPECTIVE shall we? and dish out a little bit of a REALITY CHECK to delusional who still follow this 7 year old illusion and get excited over players standing on terrain screenshots.

Since this was first announced publicaly back in 2001 the only things they have EVER released from it are a few video's showing a camera floating around some buildings and terrain with 2003'ish graphics , some world screenshots , and some extremely basic gameplay vids that would not take any game dev studio any longer than maybe 6 months to do.

^ FACT. 

 

After 7 years they still haven't shown ANY of the following stuff in-game in any kind of functioning form. 

Skills or ability’s.

Character creation. - this one's really sad considering it's the earliest and most basic thing you develop for one of these games

Character customization

Character equipment and inventory

World map

Quests

Crafting

Resource gathering.

NPC hirelings

Guild interface

City building

City sieging

Login screen/character selection

NPC enemy camps

Banking, market, mail system

Travel system

NPC’s

Alignment system

Chat interface

Trading

 

So please.. let's stiop getting excited over some player models standing around some tree's.  Ya???   Ok.

This game would be absolutely perfect for a pen and paper table top RPG.  Because that's exactly what people do and have been doing while following this for all these years --- looking at some empty screenshots and videos , than filling in the rest with their imaginations.

Fact, just because you are used to the same Dog and Pony show all the other Developers of MMOs put on years and years in advance does not mean that all games have to follow this direction.

 

We understand that you are really angry that DF has not released and that your constant complaining about it is only a mask for the thrill you cannot contain to play it.

Its ok we wont hold it against you. But please stop stating opinion as fact when its just that... opinion.

As for me i will blindly go on having faith in Adventurine and will even preorder if i can just to make all your haters go butt nuts crazy over my audacity to support a game i really want to play.... OMFG !

!

I bet it will work just as well as when you pre-ordered Dark and Light to show the non believers. You go brave warrior of Darkfall, take the fight to the non-believers!!!!

/sarcasm off

On a serious note here, the OP has a couple of valid points but he didn't really present them in the right way. Hostility doesn't get anyone anywhere. It boils down to this; You either believe the devs based on their words and a few screenshots, or you don't. Most of us veteran gamers are inclined to do the latter rather than the former as experience has taught us that devs lie.

But if you want to believe, and hold steadfast to those beliefs more power to you. I hope for your sake that Darkfall releases and is the best game ever. Until that time I'm inclined to believe it's vaporware.

Originally posted by TedDanson

 

Originally posted by Dradiin

 

Originally posted by 1Ness

Let's put things into PERSPECTIVE shall we? and dish out a little bit of a REALITY CHECK to delusional who still follow this 7 year old illusion and get excited over players standing on terrain screenshots.

Since this was first announced publicaly back in 2001 the only things they have EVER released from it are a few video's showing a camera floating around some buildings and terrain with 2003'ish graphics , some world screenshots , and some extremely basic gameplay vids that would not take any game dev studio any longer than maybe 6 months to do.

^ FACT. 

 

After 7 years they still haven't shown ANY of the following stuff in-game in any kind of functioning form. 

Skills or ability’s.

Character creation. - this one's really sad considering it's the earliest and most basic thing you develop for one of these games

Character customization

Character equipment and inventory

World map

Quests

Crafting

Resource gathering.

NPC hirelings

Guild interface

City building

City sieging

Login screen/character selection

NPC enemy camps

Banking, market, mail system

Travel system

NPC’s

Alignment system

Chat interface

Trading

 

So please.. let's stiop getting excited over some player models standing around some tree's.  Ya???   Ok.

This game would be absolutely perfect for a pen and paper table top RPG.  Because that's exactly what people do and have been doing while following this for all these years --- looking at some empty screenshots and videos , than filling in the rest with their imaginations.

Fact, just because you are used to the same Dog and Pony show all the other Developers of MMOs put on years and years in advance does not mean that all games have to follow this direction.

 

We understand that you are really angry that DF has not released and that your constant complaining about it is only a mask for the thrill you cannot contain to play it.

Its ok we wont hold it against you. But please stop stating opinion as fact when its just that... opinion.

As for me i will blindly go on having faith in Adventurine and will even preorder if i can just to make all your haters go butt nuts crazy over my audacity to support a game i really want to play.... OMFG !

!

Man, you'll show them!

 

I bet it will work just as well as when you pre-ordered Dark and Light to show the non believers. You go brave warrior of Darkfall, take the fight to the non-believers!!!!

/sarcasm off

On a serious note here, the OP has a couple of valid points but he didn't really present them in the right way. Hostility doesn't get anyone anywhere. It boils down to this; You either believe the devs based on their words and a few screenshots, or you don't. Most of us veteran gamers are inclined to do the latter rather than the former as experience has taught us that devs lie.

But if you want to believe, and hold steadfast to those beliefs more power to you. I hope for your sake that Darkfall releases and is the best game ever. Until that time I'm inclined to believe it's vaporware.

Why is still in dev

Originally posted by Apraxis

 

Hi Polarization,

 

Hello.

I will give you a lil hint about the server version, and the stand alone version, what about you can think a lil bit.

I very much doubt you know anything more then I already do about what the developers have said about server versions or stand alone versions, so no need for the condescending attitude or assumption that I'm anymore uninformed then you or anyone else concerning Darkfall's actuall state of development.

It was said that they went to E3 2006 and showed different ppl(press, potential publisher, a lot infos at the Darkfall news, if you wish to validate) a stand alone version of darkfall, this may be the same version, which played Asp

And there “demonstration” at E3 2006 was the developers giving interviews with a lap top with fraps videos, screenshots and stand alone tech demo (which I agree was probably the same as the one Asp played during his visit).

So basically at E3 2006 we got the developers talking about the same things they have been talking about since 2001 and showing the same limited things they been showing since 2001, but still not demonstrating that the major features have been actually implemented successfully into a working beta version of there game.

(read the Asp diary, and the dev writeup about the visit), they hinted, that the server was down at that moment to be updated(true or not true, it can not be proved).

They told Asp that the current beta version was not stable enough so he played the one year old tech demo instead but in Dev journal 15 they said the reason was the servers where down for changes and updates but did not mention version stability.

Convenient or coincidence?, contradiction or discrepancy?, one can decide for oneself.

But now we have a indication, that all this is really the truth.

Please elaborate on what you think “we” have indicated is “really the truth”.

It is the combat vid from last year. Why you ask? Quite simple, because we have seen there multiplayer action, which is not possible in the stand alone version. It may be the beta server, but anyway, to run multiplayer you need some kind of server.

Not sure what you are trying to say here but perhaps you should re-read Aps’s description of the tech demo, he clearly mentions other developers playing with him during the demonstration.

So you are wrong, it seems that the stand alone tech demo can be played on a network with other players.

But if you where right then how did he play with other developers during the visit when apparently according to dev update 15 the servers where down…

Possibly because the stand alone tech demo that Asp experienced can be played over a simple network with other users and this is possibly why a tech demo could have been used to produce all the game play videos we have seen released so far.

Therefore is the combat vid up to now the best update we have ever seen, and by the way much better then the last vid or the last screens. We have even a comment from the devs about the vid.. and btw. it is the exact same graphic as now, just with a few less placeholder, and some graphic effects on. (as said by the comment for the combat vid last year)

Again I’m not quite sure what you are trying to say, but yes I agree the graphics and superficial effects have improved consistently over the years in the screen shots and videos that have been released. (especially in the most recent examples)

But what the basic content of the screens shots and the videos that have been released since 2001 has changed very little and still does not show the majority of any of the major or minor features or game play that one would expect to see from a game that is supposedly starting beta within a few months and releasing within the year according to the developers.

But however, it still remains, that we didnt saw all announced features, but i guess we will not see every feature before release or until we actually play it(beta or release). But from which game in development have we ever seen every feature before release?

I think it would be more accurate to say so far we have not seen nearly all of the announced features.

Again I think its more accurate to ask what games (past or present) have ever not demonstrated any of there major (or even many minor) features at the stage when they are starting beta “within a few months” and with less then 9 months left to meet there launch "within the year" scheduel.

Originally posted by UbberGoober

Dont fall for this,

By “don’t fall for this” I presume you mean don’t attempt to engage anyone who does not share you overwhelmingly positive opinion in debate or dialogue.

Just ignore there opinions or claims and attempt to arbitrarily dismiss them using the usual attempts at character assassination and wild eyed conspiracy theory’s.

the guy who started this thread is POLORIZATION; he's the guy that starts accounts after different names.

Yeah every account that has posted anything critical, negative or skeptical about Darkfall and/or its developers or anything that you disagree with was/is or will be one of my accounts.

That’s much more likely then the possibility that more then one person has found reason to be critical, negative or skeptical about Darkfall and its developers since 2001.

Read some of his responses, or better yet look on one of the threads below; Polorization posted the the reply that included the exact same stuff that OP posted in this thread. Fortunately for us who have been here more then 2 seconds figured this out a long freking while ago.

Wow what an incredibly brilliant demonstration of inductive reasoning.

Because I mentioned in this thread that the OP copy pasted something from one of my previous posts in another thread I of course must be the OP…

Because I generally express critical, negative and skeptical opinions about Darkfall and its developers, then everyone else who also expresses the same or similar opinions must be me…

But let me guess all the people who make accounts and post positive things about Darkfall and its developers and who say things you agree with a defiantly not multiple accounts…

And all the people who copy paste from other people who post positive things about Darkfall and its developers and who say things you agree with are defiantly not multiple accounts…

Do you actually have anything to say thats relevant to the threads topic, judging by this post it does not appear so.

 

I saw one screenshot with the inventory and character sheet...

It looked exactly like classic UO.

I'm not sure if that's a good thing or really, really sad because that was done.... 10+ years ago?

Originally posted by heerobya

I saw one screenshot with the inventory and character sheet...

It looked exactly like classic UO.

I'm not sure if that's a good thing or really, really sad because that was done.... 10+ years ago?

 

http://www.darkfallonline.com/gallery/visuals/javaw_2006_12_15_16_56_03_36?full=1

Age have nothing to do with this being good or bad. Played UO since beta and i liked the system they used alot. 

Originally posted by heerobya

I saw one screenshot with the inventory and character sheet...

It looked exactly like classic UO.

I'm not sure if that's a good thing or really, really sad because that was done.... 10+ years ago?

 

Yes I mentioned those earlier in this thread, the problems are there’s not many of them, they are quite old some dating back many years, And they look very basic and don’t show a lot of information almost like alpha or place holders.

Don't tell anyone, but Polarization is really one of my alt accounts. 

OK, maybe not, but I find his posts to be well thought out, not heavy on the trolling, but reasonably  critical and challenging in what he writes.

Contrast with some of the folks who viciously attack him and his beliefs.

I'd much rather read his posts than most of the others.

But what I'd really rather do is play a new game like Darkfall.  Wish those developers would hurry up.

I must say that as a developer, i really am stunned to see how many threads are created about Darkfall every day. Not to mention that even if they get heated, at least it keeps people talking about it.

I'm wondering if the DF developers are aware of this, and trying to capitalize on it. Because that's some serious free publicity they got going there. If they ever release, i suspect both believers and non-believers would try the game eventually. And if it doesn't... Well, they don't have anything to loose at all since they are not a known company in the industry like Blizzard, Ubisoft or EA. So no name or credibility to jeopardize, since they already have none.

Even if i consider it a lame duck, this game is a phenomenon for keeping the interest of fans and trolls to keep coming back to defend or bash that game. Beside SOE hating, i think it must come second in popularity, even more so then WoW bashing.

Wether it's by accident or planned, that's a marketing feat worth mentioning in my book.

Originally posted by Daffid011

By hype I meant all the features that they claim to be putting into Darkfall.  It is a very ambitious project to say the least, but if done right will be a very fun game to play.

 

 

Yes, they do have a very ambitious project. As mostly first time developers, I think it's just taking them a lot longer than they expected. That inexperience combined with a small dev team (much smaller than most MMOs) is causing the process to become longer than most people would like. They seem to be learning from their mistakes though.

I think they will eventually release a game with most of the features they claim it will have. Hopefully they can pull it off by making the implementation of those features fun and effective.