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Originally posted by Respit

Originally posted by mklinic

I do not like green eggs and ham. I do not like them sam SEAN I am.

 

There, fixed it for you. 

thank you. A complete oversight on my part. My daughter has me read that book every night and my brain is hard wired to repeat it as originally written :(.

Originally posted by jimmyman99

This makes no sense. You like the game that is the actual game? which game is not the actual game? I think DF has a bad influence on your brain waves, cause all i can hear is "blah blah blah blah something something blah blah blah something something dark side blah blah blah"

People who claim to not like the game spend most of their time stating items that they dont like about the company and not items about the actual game.

It would be nice if people would focus more on just the game and a little less on the companies that design them

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Do I like the game? The actual game? By that I mean the game itself. as in not AV but the actual game of Darkfall. The actual code of the game itself. Do I like the game, the actually game of Darkfall?

I would love to see the "actual code" of the game (in C++? java??) . But I suppose is a trade secret.

And maybe write a more sexy particle engine. The current one is like boring to me. 

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

I    DO   NOT   CARE   ABOUT   THE    COMPANIES   THAT   MAKE   THE   GAMES.

Like it matters anyway.

If you haven't figured already, your personal views on how you deal with MMORPGs are worthless. The only thing that matters is which decisions will keep a steady playerbase subscribed to the game, and the same for choices that might cause player evasion.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by jimmyman99

This makes no sense. You like the game that is the actual game? which game is not the actual game? I think DF has a bad influence on your brain waves, cause all i can hear is "blah blah blah blah something something blah blah blah something something dark side blah blah blah"

 

People who claim to not like the game spend most of their time stating items that they dont like about the company and not items about the actual game.

It would be nice if people would focus more on just the game and a little less on the companies that design them

 

How is the game not related to the company making it? I mean, if I say "DF PvP suck" and "AV really blew it with PvP", would it not be the same thing? DF has no PvP on its own, it was designed and created by AV. Anything you say about DF you can say about AV because thats the company that made it.

DF had queues? You cant blame DF, you must blame AV and its servers
DF has bugs? Dont blame DF, blame AV.
DF has hacker problems? DF did not create hackers, bad coding from AV did.

Do you see the relation here? DF is absolutely nothing without AV. DF cannot be looked at as is(without AV), because thats a logical fallacy - DF did not program itself, AV did/does.

Its a common misconseption: "Guns do not shoot people, people shoot guns". In this case DF is a gun and AV is people.

What I take from the OP is that you give the impression that the only person  you're trying to convince is yourself.  Is it really that bad?

Originally posted by Maughann

What I take from the OP is that you give the impression that the only person  you're trying to convince is yourself.  Is it really that bad?

You hit the nail right on the head dude. It is kinda funny to watch!

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

 

Let me state it again

I    DO   NOT   CARE   ABOUT   THE    COMPANIES   THAT   MAKE   THE   GAMES.

but still you want to refer to AV and me in some context and you still dont understand that there isnt any context.

That's interesting. But how do you feel about the companies that make the actual games?

Objectively, Darkfall is a below average game. And in an industry with a lot of crap, and some good alternatives (not necessarily MMO's, but games in general), that's saying something.

It has a poor chat interface, poor UI, poor combat mechanics, poor city/siege/construction system, poor world design (in terms of content and reasons for people to leave safe zones), and is lack luster in most any other regard.

The reason I've stuck around is, and I think many people can agree, Darkfall has the components to make a great game. Fix the way vehicles and cities are built (less grind), tweak combat & vehicle mechanics in terms of balance and strategy, and move lucrative areas AWAY from bind stones, banks, and gaurd towers. These aren't impossible changes to make, and the game would polish up very nicely.

Whether this will actually HAPPEN is another story. And I do believe they've shot themselves in the foot with static cities/structures, so if MO simply has a better canvas, I have no loyalties to a company like AV (no insult to the awesome programmers, but the design, and especially business side is pathetic).

Signed,

The rational DF player.

Originally posted by jimmyman99

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by jimmyman99

This makes no sense. You like the game that is the actual game? which game is not the actual game? I think DF has a bad influence on your brain waves, cause all i can hear is "blah blah blah blah something something blah blah blah something something dark side blah blah blah"

 

People who claim to not like the game spend most of their time stating items that they dont like about the company and not items about the actual game.

It would be nice if people would focus more on just the game and a little less on the companies that design them

 

How is the game not related to the company making it? I mean, if I say "DF PvP suck" and "AV really blew it with PvP", would it not be the same thing? DF has no PvP on its own, it was designed and created by AV. Anything you say about DF you can say about AV because thats the company that made it.

DF had queues? You cant blame DF, you must blame AV and its servers
DF has bugs? Dont blame DF, blame AV.
DF has hacker problems? DF did not create hackers, bad coding from AV did.

Do you see the relation here? DF is absolutely nothing without AV. DF cannot be looked at as is(without AV), because thats a logical fallacy - DF did not program itself, AV did/does.

Its a common misconseption: "Guns do not shoot people, people shoot guns". In this case DF is a gun and AV is people.

There is just entirely to much logicial thought in this post.  I'm confused.
Av made Darkfall, but who made the actual game as the game is actually?

Or is this more of a, "what came first, the chicken or the egg" kind of thing?
What came first.  Av or a darkfall, a game that is actually bad?

 His point is valid, badly worded, but valid. Thing he forgets to mention though companies make the games, therefore if you dont like the company, you dont like the game. It's like saying "Your identical twin is hot, but you're not so hot.". 

Hes a troll on this forum and the official Darkfall forum, all there is to it. Stop feeding the troll!

Originally posted by Fariic

 

There is just entirely to much logicial thought in this post.  I'm confused.
Av made Darkfall, but who made the actual game as the game is actually?

Or is this more of a, "what came first, the chicken or the egg" kind of thing?
What came first.  Av or a darkfall, a game that is actually bad?

its really fairly easy.

If i walk into the shoe store, try on a shoe and it fits well I buy it. I dont ask the store clerk which shoe company responds best to consumers and keeps them informed on any new models. I also dont ask which shoe company doesnt use child labor.

Now, if anyone responds with anything other than "well MMO is not a shoe" it would be intresting read.
 

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Fariic

 

There is just entirely to much logicial thought in this post.  I'm confused.
Av made Darkfall, but who made the actual game as the game is actually?

Or is this more of a, "what came first, the chicken or the egg" kind of thing?
What came first.  Av or a darkfall, a game that is actually bad?

 

its really fairly easy.

If i walk into the shoe store, try on a shoe and it fits well I buy it. I dont ask the store clerk which shoe company responds best to consumers and keeps them informed on any new models. I also dont ask which shoe company doesnt use child labor.

Now, if anyone responds with anything other than "well MMO is not a shoe" it would be intresting read.
 

no, but sometimes I make note of which shoe company makes the shoes I like more often than not.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Fariic

 

There is just entirely to much logicial thought in this post.  I'm confused.
Av made Darkfall, but who made the actual game as the game is actually?

Or is this more of a, "what came first, the chicken or the egg" kind of thing?
What came first.  Av or a darkfall, a game that is actually bad?

 

its really fairly easy.

If i walk into the shoe store, try on a shoe and it fits well I buy it. I dont ask the store clerk which shoe company responds best to consumers and keeps them informed on any new models. I also dont ask which shoe company doesnt use child labor.

Now, if anyone responds with anything other than "well MMO is not a shoe" it would be intresting read.
 

Are you talking about "the shoe" or "the actual shoe" not the company that makes the shoe but the "actual shoe"?

Sorry mate :) i felt left out a bit.

But i do see what you mean and i get your point. If you hadnt read forums you would give DF a good fair go! but then again you wouldnt have ever heard of DF either :(

Originally posted by elderotter

no, but sometimes I make note of which shoe company makes the shoes I like more often than not.

and well.. I dont.

Maybe the example as now cleared it up.

I usually notice the brand of shoe a week or so after I buy it :)

I do think Av needs to think about there image more though! i mean look at the reaction the new star wars game gets, "it's bioware so it will be good" so people do take notice of companys behind games and AV should work hard to rebuild thier rep, if it's not too late :)

I hope other smaller company's dont think twice about trying due to the frenzied hate that AV recieve. Otherwise we all lose!

Originally posted by shukes33

I do think Av needs to think about there image more though! i mean look at the reaction the new star wars game gets, "it's bioware so it will be good" so people do take notice of companys behind games and AV should work hard to rebuild thier rep, if it's not too late :)

I hope other smaller company's dont think twice about trying due to the frenzied hate that AV recieve. Otherwise we all lose!

I am not saying people dont watch companies and it doesnt affect the bottom line. In fact, its so common place I think most gaming companies should create two seperate forums subjects (the game, the company) and I am sure if they did on almost all sites "the company" would have more posts than "the game".

I am just saying I dont care about that and I judge a game based on the game itself.

that was the point of the orginal thread.

Have fun "company trolling"

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Fariic

 

There is just entirely to much logicial thought in this post.  I'm confused.
Av made Darkfall, but who made the actual game as the game is actually?

Or is this more of a, "what came first, the chicken or the egg" kind of thing?
What came first.  Av or a darkfall, a game that is actually bad?

 

its really fairly easy.

If i walk into the shoe store, try on a shoe and it fits well I buy it. I dont ask the store clerk which shoe company responds best to consumers and keeps them informed on any new models. I also dont ask which shoe company doesnt use child labor.

Now, if anyone responds with anything other than "well MMO is not a shoe" it would be intresting read.
 

Well, if you were talking about a single player game, or an ordinary multiplayer game: then its a decent  comparison.

However, since this is a MMO its more like this: you walk into the shoe store, then you RENT a shoe from a specific shoe company. This shoe company will then demand money from you as long as you use the shoe, when you dont want to pay anymore they will take it back (or "disable" it since with a MMO you can still "have" the game, but you cant play it).

Even worse, they have the right to actually ALTER your shoe anytime and in any way they want. So you liked that black and slick looking shoe..? Too bad, because now they changed the color to pink, and added really high heels on it... Of course if its a somewhat serious company, you can just stop renting the shoe.

With MMOs the company matters a bit more than for other genres, and by looking at the company and try to determine how serious they are, some people try to predict if this company is the kind that will triple charge you for the shoe, change the color to pink and lime green, and then run off with your socks...

Originally posted by Remains

Well, if you were talking about a single player game, or an ordinary multiplayer game: then its a decent  comparison.

However, since this is a MMO its more like this: you walk into the shoe store, then you RENT a shoe from a specific shoe company. This shoe company will then demand money from you as long as you use the shoe, when you dont want to pay anymore they will take it back (or "disable" it since with a MMO you can still "have" the game, but you cant play it).

Even worse, they have the right to actually ALTER your shoe anytime and in any way they want. So you liked that black and slick looking shoe..? Too bad, because now they changed the color to pink, and added really high heels on it... Of course if its a somewhat serious company, you can just stop renting the shoe.

With MMOs the company matters a bit more than for other genres, and by looking at the company and try to determine how serious they are, some people try to predict if this company is the kind that will triple charge you for the shoe, change the color to pink and lime green, and then run off with your socks...

The exact same rules apply though.

Cable is a good example, I subscribe to Star's if I see a pattern of not liking it I unsubscribe, I dont unsubscribe becuase they havent called me to tell me what is up and comming.

if we were talking about $1000 a month I could understand but we are only talking about $15 a month and at that price point its just more effective to try it and stop when you dont like it anymore.

That is how I roll anyway

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Remains

Well, if you were talking about a single player game, or an ordinary multiplayer game: then its a decent  comparison.

However, since this is a MMO its more like this: you walk into the shoe store, then you RENT a shoe from a specific shoe company. This shoe company will then demand money from you as long as you use the shoe, when you dont want to pay anymore they will take it back (or "disable" it since with a MMO you can still "have" the game, but you cant play it).

Even worse, they have the right to actually ALTER your shoe anytime and in any way they want. So you liked that black and slick looking shoe..? Too bad, because now they changed the color to pink, and added really high heels on it... Of course if its a somewhat serious company, you can just stop renting the shoe.

With MMOs the company matters a bit more than for other genres, and by looking at the company and try to determine how serious they are, some people try to predict if this company is the kind that will triple charge you for the shoe, change the color to pink and lime green, and then run off with your socks...

 

The exact same rules apply though.

Cable is a good example, I subscribe to Star's if I see a pattern of not liking it I unsubscribe, I dont unsubscribe becuase they havent called me to tell me what is up and comming.

if we were talking about $1000 a month I could understand but we are only talking about $15 a month and at that price point its just more effective to try it and stop when you dont like it anymore.

 

That is how I roll anyway

Well, for the 3 MMOs that you've actually tried anyway. 

You'll have to excuse some of us not really giving your opinion much consideration when you are basing it on so little actual experience.

Once you've been playing MMOs for 10+ years and you go through what SoE did with SWG or when your favorite MMO is shut-down.  Then you will see that the companies behind the games are what makes or breaks them.  Sure a good, stable game that is fun to play helps a lot. 

However, if there are not enough other players that have that same opinion... the game will get shut-down.  It's really that simple.

MMOs are a unique breed among computer games.  The game and the company are one in the same.  As the company goes, so goes the game... and vice versa.

Even when the game and company are separated (i.e. Vanguard, Horizons, etc.) the game almost never recovers.

Give yourself another 5 years or so with MMOs... you'll see that we are right. 

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Remains

Well, if you were talking about a single player game, or an ordinary multiplayer game: then its a decent  comparison.

However, since this is a MMO its more like this: you walk into the shoe store, then you RENT a shoe from a specific shoe company. This shoe company will then demand money from you as long as you use the shoe, when you dont want to pay anymore they will take it back (or "disable" it since with a MMO you can still "have" the game, but you cant play it).

Even worse, they have the right to actually ALTER your shoe anytime and in any way they want. So you liked that black and slick looking shoe..? Too bad, because now they changed the color to pink, and added really high heels on it... Of course if its a somewhat serious company, you can just stop renting the shoe.

With MMOs the company matters a bit more than for other genres, and by looking at the company and try to determine how serious they are, some people try to predict if this company is the kind that will triple charge you for the shoe, change the color to pink and lime green, and then run off with your socks...

 

The exact same rules apply though.

Cable is a good example, I subscribe to Star's if I see a pattern of not liking it I unsubscribe, I dont unsubscribe becuase they havent called me to tell me what is up and comming.

if we were talking about $1000 a month I could understand but we are only talking about $15 a month and at that price point its just more effective to try it and stop when you dont like it anymore.

 

That is how I roll anyway

my cable company sends a little pamphlet every month telling me the new movies coming on cable next month so /shrug

Originally posted by xzyax

Well, for the 3 MMOs that you've actually tried anyway. 

 

You'll have to excuse some of us not really giving your opinion much consideration when you are basing it on so little actual experience.

 

Once you've been playing MMOs for 10+ years and you go through what SoE did with SWG or when your favorite MMO is shut-down.  Then you will see that the companies behind the games are what makes or breaks them.  Sure a good, stable game that is fun to play helps a lot. 

 

However, if there are not enough other players that have that same opinion... the game will get shut-down.  It's really that simple.

 

MMOs are a unique breed among computer games.  The game and the company are one in the same.  As the company goes, so goes the game... and vice versa.

 

Even when the game and company are separated (i.e. Vanguard, Horizons, etc.) the game almost never recovers.

Give yourself another 5 years or so with MMOs... you'll see that we are right. 

lets take Darkfall as an example to test out your theory shall we?

When someone is thinking about playing Darkfall and they decide to not to join up which reason do you think is most likely the reason.

1. All the people complaining about the company

2. the direct affects to their personal gaming experience based on what the company does or dosent do?

I would venture to say the complaining itself hurts the company more than what is being complain about in this specific case.

Pause for a few moments before responding and think it thru slowly.

(p.s. overall I have been playing PC games for almost 30 years. just an FYI)

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Remains

Well, if you were talking about a single player game, or an ordinary multiplayer game: then its a decent  comparison.

However, since this is a MMO its more like this: you walk into the shoe store, then you RENT a shoe from a specific shoe company. This shoe company will then demand money from you as long as you use the shoe, when you dont want to pay anymore they will take it back (or "disable" it since with a MMO you can still "have" the game, but you cant play it).

Even worse, they have the right to actually ALTER your shoe anytime and in any way they want. So you liked that black and slick looking shoe..? Too bad, because now they changed the color to pink, and added really high heels on it... Of course if its a somewhat serious company, you can just stop renting the shoe.

With MMOs the company matters a bit more than for other genres, and by looking at the company and try to determine how serious they are, some people try to predict if this company is the kind that will triple charge you for the shoe, change the color to pink and lime green, and then run off with your socks...

 

The exact same rules apply though.

Cable is a good example, I subscribe to Star's if I see a pattern of not liking it I unsubscribe, I dont unsubscribe becuase they havent called me to tell me what is up and comming.

if we were talking about $1000 a month I could understand but we are only talking about $15 a month and at that price point its just more effective to try it and stop when you dont like it anymore.

 

That is how I roll anyway

What if you just subscribed to Star's with a yearly contract and 2 months after you start your contract they changed all of the channels to only broadcast kid's channel's you call them in and they tell you "we already had this planned to start this month, we just didnt tell you when you actually purchased the service" wouldnt you be pissed?

I guess some people just like to know exactly where they are spending their money some people dont, It doesnt matter if its 1USD or 1000USD if im spending money on a service I want to know exactly what I am paying for and if the server is gonna suit my needs today but also tomorrow and for the duration of the service I have purchased or signed to.

Originally posted by rav3n2

 

What if you just subscribed to Star's with a yearly contract and 2 months after you start your contract they changed all of the channels to only broadcast kid's channel's you call them in and they tell you "we already had this planned to start this month, we just didnt tell you when you actually purchased the service" wouldnt you be pissed?

I guess some people just like to know exactly where they are spending their money some people dont, It doesnt matter if its 1USD or 1000USD if im spending money on a service I want to know exactly what I am paying for and if the server is gonna suit my needs today but also tomorrow and for the duration of the service I have purchased or signed to.

1. if I pre-pay for a full year on something then I do it at my own risk with full knowedge that everything might change within that year. So I would be sad but no I would not be pissed, I would simply have regreted not doing it. That said, do you pay for a full year in advance on an MMO?

2. The amount of money does matter, the amount of degrees do matter. Its a fact of life. $30 to test something out (2 months) isnt jack. I think I spent that much going to go see Star Trek for christ sake!

(P.S. Most of the people who complain about the company do not even like the game to begin with so this whole "we want to see the game succede becuase we like it" just doesnt sell with me)