I'm suprised you guys are more pissed about this then the fact that the servers will be hosted by the same company. You do realize this right? Shouldn't the question be why will it take 3 months to transfer to the same hardware?

Originally posted by LiquidWolf

I have not seen much about a transfer fee so far...

All i've seen is that you have to wait 3 months to transfer to the NA server.

If you want on the server before that, you need to pay for a new client.

Where is the problem?

That people just don't want to pay for a new client? well don't... wait.

They don't want to wait 3 months? well pay for a new client.

It isn't like you don't have options... you just don't like the options you are given.

Where did you get the idea that you can wait 3 months and get a free transfer? The way I understood it, you have to buy a new client to play on NA server. Which means they cheated their clients because they did not warn them of this. People bought DF without knowing that they would have to buy NA game. And I know someone of the die hard fans claim "oh but you dont have to, you can stay on EU" server, well, aside the high pings and off-peak hours, thats not the point! People bought EU version because they were under impression that they would be able to create a character on NA server. This is not a question of transfers, this is a question about being able to play on NA server without buying new game.

Originally posted by mackdawg19

I'm suprised you guys are more pissed about this then the fact that the servers will be hosted by the same company. You do realize this right? Shouldn't the question be why will it take 3 months to transfer to the same hardware?

I actually understand the reasoning behind this. It is to delay the arrival of people with 100 point skills, and give day1 NA n00bs a chance to be able to defend themselves before the onslaught.

What pisses me off, is that inorder to BE one of those day one n00bs (thus willingly giving up my established character) I would have to BUY THE GAME AGAIN.

Conversely, I could wait three months on a server where the only time people are really on is when I'm asleep, and my ping hovers in the 170-210 range....then PAY to transfer a naked character (plus whatever other "restrictions" they decide to implement) to a server that's already established and where I can primise you that we won't be wanted.

If I'd had a CHOICE (like I would with say...any OTHER MMORPG) I would have BOUGHT a NA license / client (if there had BEEN one, and if the DIFFERENCE had been made KNOWN to me), and I would have ROLLED on the NA server (if it had actually existed, and I had known ahead of time it would cost to transfer otherwise).

If they had come out and TOLD us that the NA client would be seperate, and there would be a fee for a transfer....most of us would have waited for the NA launch, and they wanted our money THEN, so they didn't tell us.

In short, they fucking scammed us.

For those people who thought that AV was a straight up company and wouldn't charge for the NA launch, all I can say is, you just couldn't have been that naive.

AV had a long, sorid history of making promises they never could possibly have kept, they launched the game not because it was ready, but because they needed the money.  You all knew this, and yet you bought it.

You knew playing the EU version was going to be laggy and difficult, yet you bought it anyways.

And while we thought an NA server was coming (I actually didn't believe it) I never for one moment thought there wouldn't be some sort of fee involved.

And to those who say most companies don't do this, stop right there.  Many major companies in fact do this, including Blizzard, Turbine, NCSoft and EA/Mythic.

If you really loved playing DF, paying them another 50 bucks to play in the US would not be a big deal, you'd suck it up and cheerfully give it to them, just to keep playing your favorite game on a fresh new server.  (they are an Indy company as the fans pointed out so often)

So now you have a couple of choices, pay them the cash now, and play from launch, wait 3 months, pay a transfer fee, don't pay anything and keep on playing on EU servers, or just don't play at all.

But raging about it here on these forums.... mostly a waste of time but whatever floats your boat I suppose.

Originally posted by mackdawg19

I'm suprised you guys are more pissed about this then the fact that the servers will be hosted by the same company. You do realize this right? Shouldn't the question be why will it take 3 months to transfer to the same hardware?

I can understand the 3 month rule to transfer. They want to see if they can get new players and current players to buy the game. This way they can make more money. That is why Aventurine won't let you transfer any money or gear. They know that clans will have members buy the game again so they can do all the harvesting of mobs/resources to get the gear and cities set up for those that will transfer.

It is all about selling the game. If they just allowed current players to transfer on opening day, and since I am sure they can't charge the same price as buying the game. Aventurine knows they would lose money. I am certain they need the sales in order to keep the game going. If the NA server does fairly well, I can see Aventurine forcing the european players transfering to NA and then shutting down EU1. Of course they will still charge the transfers so they can make even more money on a forced transfer.

But that is my opinion.

Originally posted by Kentho

Originally posted by mackdawg19

I'm suprised you guys are more pissed about this then the fact that the servers will be hosted by the same company. You do realize this right? Shouldn't the question be why will it take 3 months to transfer to the same hardware?

 

I can understand the 3 month rule to transfer. They want to see if they can get new players and current players to buy the game. This way they can make more money. That is why Aventurine won't let you transfer any money or gear. They know that clans will have members buy the game again so they can do all the harvesting of mobs/resources to get the gear and cities set up for those that will transfer.

It is all about selling the game. If they just allowed current players to transfer on opening day, and since I am sure they can't charge the same price as buying the game. Aventurine knows they would lose money. I am certain they need the sales in order to keep the game going. If the NA server does fairly well, I can see Aventurine forcing the european players transfering to NA and then shutting down EU1. Of course they will still charge the transfers so they can make even more money on a forced transfer.

But that is my opinion.

I actually don't care how they make their money. I'm just trying to point out what the real arguement or debate should be. The server transfer would be simple, they just want you guy's to pay the publisher because it's in the contract. The publisher needs to see some revenue before they can just allow people to transfer. But what I find odd, is they need to have another publisher instead of just putting up another server by themselves. Seem's they don't have the cash to justify the cost I take it. Maybe a reason why that store has been open 24/7.

Originally posted by mackdawg19

Originally posted by Kentho

Originally posted by mackdawg19

I'm suprised you guys are more pissed about this then the fact that the servers will be hosted by the same company. You do realize this right? Shouldn't the question be why will it take 3 months to transfer to the same hardware?

 

I can understand the 3 month rule to transfer. They want to see if they can get new players and current players to buy the game. This way they can make more money. That is why Aventurine won't let you transfer any money or gear. They know that clans will have members buy the game again so they can do all the harvesting of mobs/resources to get the gear and cities set up for those that will transfer.

It is all about selling the game. If they just allowed current players to transfer on opening day, and since I am sure they can't charge the same price as buying the game. Aventurine knows they would lose money. I am certain they need the sales in order to keep the game going. If the NA server does fairly well, I can see Aventurine forcing the european players transfering to NA and then shutting down EU1. Of course they will still charge the transfers so they can make even more money on a forced transfer.

But that is my opinion.

 

I actually don't care how they make their money. I'm just trying to point out what the real arguement or debate should be. The server transfer would be simple, they just want you guy's to pay the publisher because it's in the contract. The publisher needs to see some revenue before they can just allow people to transfer. But what I find odd, is they need to have another publisher instead of just putting up another server by themselves. Seem's they don't have the cash to justify the cost I take it. Maybe a reason why that store has been open 24/7.

"Maybe a reason why that store has been open 24/7"

I'm sorry, I just can't believe that, why just yesterday the forum authority on DF, javac, was taking bets that the NA release would sell out in four hours.

<  humor mode off >

Originally posted by mackdawg19

Originally posted by Kentho

Originally posted by mackdawg19

I'm suprised you guys are more pissed about this then the fact that the servers will be hosted by the same company. You do realize this right? Shouldn't the question be why will it take 3 months to transfer to the same hardware?

 

I can understand the 3 month rule to transfer. They want to see if they can get new players and current players to buy the game. This way they can make more money. That is why Aventurine won't let you transfer any money or gear. They know that clans will have members buy the game again so they can do all the harvesting of mobs/resources to get the gear and cities set up for those that will transfer.

It is all about selling the game. If they just allowed current players to transfer on opening day, and since I am sure they can't charge the same price as buying the game. Aventurine knows they would lose money. I am certain they need the sales in order to keep the game going. If the NA server does fairly well, I can see Aventurine forcing the european players transfering to NA and then shutting down EU1. Of course they will still charge the transfers so they can make even more money on a forced transfer.

But that is my opinion.

 

I actually don't care how they make their money. I'm just trying to point out what the real arguement or debate should be. The server transfer would be simple, they just want you guy's to pay the publisher because it's in the contract. The publisher needs to see some revenue before they can just allow people to transfer. But what I find odd, is they need to have another publisher instead of just putting up another server by themselves. Seem's they don't have the cash to justify the cost I take it. Maybe a reason why that store has been open 24/7.

If I'm correct and I think I am. Aventurine is publishing the game themselves. I don't think they have a North American publisher. If they did have one I am pretty sure we would have at least heard by now. The publishers job is to sell the game is it not? With only 2 weeks to NA release you would think that there would be some type of advertisement for Darkfall.

So with that said, Aventurine needs money. Don't you find it odd that with the release of NA, Darkfall will have a new website, and an expansion pack? Let alone the transfers with no gear/money and other restrictions?

Why the new website? Why not just update the current one?

What is in the expansion? Is it just previous promises being implemented or just patches?

Why transfers with no gear/money? What are the other restrictions? Could they be lost of skills or only certain players can transfer based on time played?

I understand the need to purchase a new client/account for NA. I don't like the fact that Aventurine hid this till now. How ever for you post I think there is more to the debate than just a 3 month wait to transfer.

Has anyone tested this new "expansion"?   Is there a detailed list of what the expansion includes?  Has the transfers been tested?  Have there been any problems?  I know when CoH finally opened their transfers, they had a few problems.  I believe WoW had some problems with their transfers in the beginning too.  If NCSoft and Blizzard had initial problems with their transfers, what kinda problems will AV have?  This could get interesting....

/grabspopcorn

Originally posted by Kentho

Originally posted by mackdawg19

Originally posted by Kentho

Originally posted by mackdawg19

I'm suprised you guys are more pissed about this then the fact that the servers will be hosted by the same company. You do realize this right? Shouldn't the question be why will it take 3 months to transfer to the same hardware?

 

I can understand the 3 month rule to transfer. They want to see if they can get new players and current players to buy the game. This way they can make more money. That is why Aventurine won't let you transfer any money or gear. They know that clans will have members buy the game again so they can do all the harvesting of mobs/resources to get the gear and cities set up for those that will transfer.

It is all about selling the game. If they just allowed current players to transfer on opening day, and since I am sure they can't charge the same price as buying the game. Aventurine knows they would lose money. I am certain they need the sales in order to keep the game going. If the NA server does fairly well, I can see Aventurine forcing the european players transfering to NA and then shutting down EU1. Of course they will still charge the transfers so they can make even more money on a forced transfer.

But that is my opinion.

 

I actually don't care how they make their money. I'm just trying to point out what the real arguement or debate should be. The server transfer would be simple, they just want you guy's to pay the publisher because it's in the contract. The publisher needs to see some revenue before they can just allow people to transfer. But what I find odd, is they need to have another publisher instead of just putting up another server by themselves. Seem's they don't have the cash to justify the cost I take it. Maybe a reason why that store has been open 24/7.

If I'm correct and I think I am. Aventurine is publishing the game themselves. I don't think they have a North American publisher. If they did have one I am pretty sure we would have at least heard by now. The publishers job is to sell the game is it not? With only 2 weeks to NA release you would think that there would be some type of advertisement for Darkfall.

So with that said, Aventurine needs money. Don't you find it odd that with the release of NA, Darkfall will have a new website, and an expansion pack? Let alone the transfers with no gear/money and other restrictions?

Why the new website? Why not just update the current one?

What is in the expansion? Is it just previous promises being implemented or just patches?

Why transfers with no gear/money? What are the other restrictions? Could they be lost of skills or only certain players can transfer based on time played?

I understand the need to purchase a new client/account for NA. I don't like the fact that Aventurine hid this till now. How ever for you post I think there is more to the debate than just a 3 month wait to transfer.

There has to be a publisher. If not, there would be no need for them to wait 3 months for transfers and no need for them to charge for transfers either. They are already using the same server host, so if in fact they are publishing it themselves, then something is up, like money shortages. But I already think they stated it would be published under a different company in one of the statements Tasos posted, which is why they can't allow free server transfers. I can understand the suspision though, it's money reagrdless of the amount.

Originally posted by mackdawg19

There has to be a publisher. If not, there would be no need for them to wait 3 months for transfers and no need for them to charge for transfers either. They are already using the same server host, so if in fact they are publishing it themselves, then something is up, like money shortages. But I already think they stated it would be published under a different company in one of the statements Tasos posted, which is why they can't allow free server transfers. I can understand the suspision though, it's money reagrdless of the amount.

Didn't they say earlier 1 character per server then change it to one character per account?

Didn't they say the game was feature complete long before release?

Din't they just say that demand for the game is still high and having problems keeping up with accounts yet the store is open 24/7?

See the trend?

I could be wrong. I just doubt that I am right now. If they have a puplisher I will come back and apologize.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Wharg0ul

 

1: have fun getting pwned by people with 1/10th your ping

2: I already bought the game once. And my PnP games cost nothing...I'm using books that I bought 15-20 years ago.

You seem to have no problem getting fucked over....and are happily willing to pay for the privelage. No wonder there are so many scammers out in the world.

 

1. ok its clear to me you dont fully understand the concept of "choice" in the context that you are using it in your point. that is unfortunate. I dont think most MMO's consider it a "choice" only if you personally are having fun on your existing server.

2.....fair enough

If there was a game that I could enjoy more I GUARNTEE you I would be playing it tonight. But as it is, I can take that $50 and buy porn, or play DF.

LOL when i read this all i thought was, well either way you are getting screwed......

Originally posted by jimmyman99

Originally posted by LiquidWolf

I have not seen much about a transfer fee so far...

All i've seen is that you have to wait 3 months to transfer to the NA server.

If you want on the server before that, you need to pay for a new client.

Where is the problem?

That people just don't want to pay for a new client? well don't... wait.

They don't want to wait 3 months? well pay for a new client.

It isn't like you don't have options... you just don't like the options you are given.

Where did you get the idea that you can wait 3 months and get a free transfer? The way I understood it, you have to buy a new client to play on NA server. Which means they cheated their clients because they did not warn them of this. People bought DF without knowing that they would have to buy NA game. And I know someone of the die hard fans claim "oh but you dont have to, you can stay on EU" server, well, aside the high pings and off-peak hours, thats not the point! People bought EU version because they were under impression that they would be able to create a character on NA server. This is not a question of transfers, this is a question about being able to play on NA server without buying new game.

 

Here:

Clarification: American players wanting to clone and transfer their characters do not have to buy another client. Everyone else needs to buy the American Darkfall client to play on the American server. The European rights and the American rights to Darkfall do not belong to the same company, therefore you cannot freely transfer between the two territories, as is the case with most MMORPGs. Our offer of character cloning / transfer to American players is because we had said that we would try to accommodate them should they want to start playing on the European server.
-http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=198228

While I personally would expect there to be a fee, they do not say yay/nay on that matter.

 

Just wait for their "content update" before buying us client. If it is actually legit, then I would pay for US client as its still only mmorpg that is skill based (Kinda).

Originally posted by kokopuff

Just wait for their "content update" before buying us client. If it is actually legit, then I would pay for US client as its still only mmorpg that is skill based (Kinda).

Alot of good games are in beta or waiting to be released to the US.

A few of em are even f2p.   

Originally posted by LiquidWolf

Originally posted by jimmyman99

Originally posted by LiquidWolf

I have not seen much about a transfer fee so far...

All i've seen is that you have to wait 3 months to transfer to the NA server.

If you want on the server before that, you need to pay for a new client.

Where is the problem?

That people just don't want to pay for a new client? well don't... wait.

They don't want to wait 3 months? well pay for a new client.

It isn't like you don't have options... you just don't like the options you are given.

Where did you get the idea that you can wait 3 months and get a free transfer? The way I understood it, you have to buy a new client to play on NA server. Which means they cheated their clients because they did not warn them of this. People bought DF without knowing that they would have to buy NA game. And I know someone of the die hard fans claim "oh but you dont have to, you can stay on EU" server, well, aside the high pings and off-peak hours, thats not the point! People bought EU version because they were under impression that they would be able to create a character on NA server. This is not a question of transfers, this is a question about being able to play on NA server without buying new game.

 

 

Here:

Clarification: American players wanting to clone and transfer their characters do not have to buy another client. Everyone else needs to buy the American Darkfall client to play on the American server. The European rights and the American rights to Darkfall do not belong to the same company, therefore you cannot freely transfer between the two territories, as is the case with most MMORPGs. Our offer of character cloning / transfer to American players is because we had said that we would try to accommodate them should they want to start playing on the European server.
-http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=198228

While I personally would expect there to be a fee, they do not say yay/nay on that matter.

 

Yes they did say there will be a charge for that. From that same link you provided:

"On the American server: The American server will launch on July 7th. Characters from the European server can be cloned and moved without their possessions 3 months after the American launch. Certain restrictions and charges will apply, to be announced at a later date."

So, either buy a new game or transfer your current char for a fee. Either way you are paying to play on NA server.