Originally posted by Blodpls

Originally posted by Cyborg99 

Pr is apart of the budget. aventurine has very little pr. They are a little company with very little money. I won't cut them slack for their lack of pr, you will. You might think give the little company a chance because thier little but me, I could care less if their little with no money, their nothing and they need to prove themselves before I have any respect for them. You have compansion, I don't, thats the way it is.
 

 

Face it, you just want something for nothing.  You are not willing to wait until it releases to see what the game is like.

When you have money invested in Aventurine then you shall be entitled to complain about their pr budget, until then it's whinging like a spoiled kid.

How am I giving them a chance exactly? I can't buy anything off them so it's impossible.

Nope sorry this isn't communism, I get to choose my product and the product willing to put itself out their is the one I'm going to pick. I want something for nothing, hahaha, ..I want to see some concrete evidence for nothing, and if their not willing to give concrete evidence for nothing then their's alot of other companies that are willing to give info, free trials, etc for nothing. It's called advertising. I have a choice, and I choose to not give money to a tiny nobody company like aventurine. You can hold on to your hopes and feel bad for them but I don't feel bad for a company that doesn't want to help itself by advertising and giving out info for free because almost all other companies do that stuff for free.

Originally posted by IareEatBOAT

I DON'T SEE HOW THEY ARE LOWERING THE STANDARDS IN THE MMORPG UNIVERSE?!?!?!?!

Turbine, Funcom, <Insert all Asian Developers>, SoE (distributor/producers, well they are behind the wheels) and so on are lowering the standards of MMORPGs, making 'shallow easy to master hold-your hand games' (picture an infant being fed from a baby food jar) so they can get as many people they can to buy their games. They wan't to make money more than they wan't to make a game. Aventurine is different.

I can wait, everyone can wait for a game that breaks that mold, Aventurine owes no one but their financial investors and themself. They have sacrificed so many years of their lives just to create such a game, not you, nor any troll or any fan has been forced to mindlessly devote their attention to this game.

But, all this commotion about Darkfall only prooves that it's something many people want, wether they can admit it or not. So calm down, you don't have to piss yourself or cut your wrists - Just live your life and check in on a daily, bi-weekly or weekly basis if there is anything new.

If you wan't to read up on where they are right now, check the following links.

forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php
forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php
forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php
forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php

Tasos has sure been vague before in his announcements, he has not promised anything. If we compare what has been announced in the past with the "evidence" we got now, Darkfall is coming be it bad or good only time will tell.

Lol, please keep the emo comments to a minimum, Thank you (please no caps lock rants please)
 

Originally posted by Cyborg99 

 Nope sorry this isn't communism, I get to choose my product and the product willing to put itself out their is the one I'm going to pick. I want something for nothing, hahaha, ..I want to see some concrete evidence for nothing, and if their not willing to give concrete evidence for nothing then their's alot of other companies that are willing to give info, free trials, etc for nothing. It's called advertising. I have a choice, and I choose to not give money to a tiny nobody company like aventurine. You can hold on to your hopes and feel bad for them but I don't feel bad for a company that doesn't want to help itself by advertising and giving out info for free because almost all other companies do that stuff for free.

How exactly is complaining about something once you have actually paid for it communism? 

I shall wait until when/if it's released and then shall decided if I want to buy it or not.

You will probably do the same regardless of any pre release information.

So basically your arguement goes to back wanting something for nothing because you aren't willing to wait.  You expect such a freeby because other companies do it. 

Complaining about not getting something for free is absurd.

Originally posted by Blodpls

Originally posted by Cyborg99 

 Nope sorry this isn't communism, I get to choose my product and the product willing to put itself out their is the one I'm going to pick. I want something for nothing, hahaha, ..I want to see some concrete evidence for nothing, and if their not willing to give concrete evidence for nothing then their's alot of other companies that are willing to give info, free trials, etc for nothing. It's called advertising. I have a choice, and I choose to not give money to a tiny nobody company like aventurine. You can hold on to your hopes and feel bad for them but I don't feel bad for a company that doesn't want to help itself by advertising and giving out info for free because almost all other companies do that stuff for free.

 

How exactly is complaining about something once you have actually paid for it communism? 

I shall wait until when/if it's released and then shall decided if I want to buy it or not.

You will probably do the same regardless of any pre release information.

So basically your arguement goes to back wanting something for nothing because you aren't willing to wait.  You expect such a freeby because other companies do it. 

Complaining about not getting something for free is absurd.

Nope critizing a company for not giving free info is fine. Other bigger companies do it. The small companies can't do it but them being on a budget is not my problem. Yea I want something for free because I can get it with the bigger companies. I guess you don't like to watch the small companies get critizied and picked on because it can't compete with the bigger companies. Remember, in the end it's all about you.

 I don't care about status updates or anything of that nature. I rather them not waste their time and resources on public relations and make a damn good game. They don't need my input they are old pvpers and will do it right on their own. Second the game is not a hoax, beta is going well ;)

Originally posted by Flarinstar

 Second the game is not a hoax, beta is going well ;)

OMG! An unconfirmed beta tester for Darkfall! They DO exist!

Originally posted by Cyborg99

 

Nope critizing a company for not giving free info is fine. Other bigger companies do it. The small companies can't do it but them being on a budget is not my problem. Yea I want something for free because I can get it with the bigger companies. I guess you don't like to watch the small companies get critizied and picked on because it can't compete with the bigger companies. Remember, in the end it's all about you.

Right, we all get to choose what game we want to play. If you feel that they have not given enough information, than choose a different game. However, calling for sanctions against a company because you have decided that they have not given enough information is trying to restrict others freedom of choice. You started this thread to call for a censorship, and you are argueing for freedom of choice.

Ok this is going nowhere. MMORPG mods, is thier any possible way you could ask aventurine on a progress update and maybe ask them why they don't like releasing info. I see no harm in this. Please can I get a mod response to stabilize this thread. Thank you.

Well ok heres my two cents:

First off I am not a fan of adventurine or the fan base. But I do have to disagreee with the OP on how its lowering the standards. Im my past experances companys who are working in the shodows promising all this stuff thats going in the game, has very good reasons to be secretive. We dont have to look to far in the past for a recent example, Funcom with AoC. Endless promises on this new revolutionary game, but all we got to see pre-launch was eye candy videos of epic seige battles.  I dont need to say what happened there with the seiges. So many promises, so many not delivered upon. 

TLDR: Companies that are being secretive this close to a target release date has something to hide. 

I think it highly unlikly that other companies would look and say "hey we dont have to prove anything to our fanbase" On the contrary I think it best benifits them to be more open about their game. That is if they are not trying to hide something. What I am fixing to say here will prolly lable me as troll (again) but this is what happened to me. I wasnt to big on the Idea of Aion, I first saw it many months back or so. Once closed beta started all this new info keept coming out. It seemed like NCsoft was trying to promote their game even when it was in CB.  Before OB we had all this information on it the good and the bad. I have heard it all, anime crap, asian grinder, wow clone, etc. My point is atleast this info is out there for people to formulate their opinion on. Right now I dont feel that NCsoft is trying to hide something about Aion. With me that goes a long way when choosing an MMO. You can flame me for being an Aion fanboy or w/e but I was just comparing how the company is handeling the game vs how adventurine is doing.

Originally posted by Cyborg99

Ok this is going nowhere. MMORPG mods, is thier any possible way you could ask aventurine on a progress update and maybe ask them why they don't like releasing info. I see no harm in this. Please can I get a mod response to stabilize this thread. Thank you.

Can you please acknowledge the fact that while you use terms like "Stablize this thread" when it is your own thread and you want something...in other threads you drop one liners that are off topic, trolling, and are just there to flame people?

Im all for civilized discussion, but the irony is dripping from your posts and its frying my computer.

Originally posted by originalegg

Originally posted by Cyborg99

Ok this is going nowhere. MMORPG mods, is thier any possible way you could ask aventurine on a progress update and maybe ask them why they don't like releasing info. I see no harm in this. Please can I get a mod response to stabilize this thread. Thank you.

 

Can you please acknowledge the fact that while you use terms like "Stablize this thread" when it is your own thread and you want something...in other threads you drop one liners that are off topic, trolling, and are just there to flame people?

Im all for civilized discussion, but the irony is dripping from your posts and its frying my computer.

I don't doubt you but do you have proof?
 

Originally posted by Cyborg99 

Nope critizing a company for not giving free info is fine. Other bigger companies do it. The small companies can't do it but them being on a budget is not my problem. Yea I want something for free because I can get it with the bigger companies. I guess you don't like to watch the small companies get critizied and picked on because it can't compete with the bigger companies. Remember, in the end it's all about you.

My point is that it's not legitimate to criticize companies for not releasing info, you cannot buy this product yet so there is nothing to complain about.  It is impossible for them to cheat you.  If you had paid for this information then it would be fine to complain.  Just because some other companies release a lot of info does not make your complaint legitimate.  You don't need this info, you can wait until it's released.

You want to satiate your desire for more info, why should a company pay to provide you with this when you haven't actually bought anything off them?  Just because other companies do does not give them any moral obligation to do the same.  The product is not in the shop they are not asking you to buy it yet.

Even if it releases and there is still no information and the box has a blank cover with darkfall written on it in a plain font, I still would not accept that you have a legitmate complaint unless you have bought it.

If you will not buy products that do not release information before that product is available then that is entirely your decision.    

Originally posted by Cyborg99

Originally posted by originalegg

Originally posted by Cyborg99

Ok this is going nowhere. MMORPG mods, is thier any possible way you could ask aventurine on a progress update and maybe ask them why they don't like releasing info. I see no harm in this. Please can I get a mod response to stabilize this thread. Thank you.

 

Can you please acknowledge the fact that while you use terms like "Stablize this thread" when it is your own thread and you want something...in other threads you drop one liners that are off topic, trolling, and are just there to flame people?

Im all for civilized discussion, but the irony is dripping from your posts and its frying my computer.

I don't doubt you but do you have proof?
 

Proof of what?  you want me to look at your post history and copy/paste your troll posts? 

 Or did you want proof of the liquid irony?

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by Cyborg99

Originally posted by Blodpls

Seriously, give me an answer.  Why should they provide updates?

You haven't paid them anything and it's entirely your own choice if you follow this game.

If the answer is just to be nice, then wtf?? This is business venture not a charity with the aim of keeping you entertained.

Your question: Why should they provide updates? My answer: No I haven't paid them anything and I never will pay them anything. They are lowering the standards of mmo companies.

 

Ya lost it right there. By your logic if MMO companies had standards surely DnL, SWG, AoC, etc.  must have obliterated them long ago.

Sadly, I think they did.

Originally posted by toddze 

I think it highly unlikly that other companies would look and say "hey we dont have to prove anything to our fanbase" On the contrary I think it best benifits them to be more open about their game. That is if they are not trying to hide something. What I am fixing to say here will prolly lable me as troll (again) but this is what happened to me. I wasnt to big on the Idea of Aion, I first saw it many months back or so. Once closed beta started all this new info keept coming out. It seemed like NCsoft was trying to promote their game even when it was in CB.  Before OB we had all this information on it the good and the bad. I have heard it all, anime crap, asian grinder, wow clone, etc. My point is atleast this info is out there for people to formulate their opinion on. Right now I dont feel that NCsoft is trying to hide something about Aion. With me that goes a long way when choosing an MMO. You can flame me for being an Aion fanboy or w/e but I was just comparing how the company is handeling the game vs how adventurine is doing.

Further to my post above, this is what I would call a legimate observation as toddze is saying that the information helps him to formulate his opinion on whether he is going to buy game.  He is not saying that a game developer is obliged to release this information.

Originally posted by Cyborg99

Ok this is going nowhere. MMORPG mods, is thier any possible way you could ask aventurine on a progress update and maybe ask them why they don't like releasing info. I see no harm in this. Please can I get a mod response to stabilize this thread. Thank you.

Why are you appealing to MMORPG mods? They are nothing more than the hired minions of Tasos.

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Cyborg99

Ok this is going nowhere. MMORPG mods, is thier any possible way you could ask aventurine on a progress update and maybe ask them why they don't like releasing info. I see no harm in this. Please can I get a mod response to stabilize this thread. Thank you.

 

Why are you appealing to MMORPG mods? They are nothing more than the hired minions of Tasos.

WOW and i thought it couldnt get any funnier.....do you really believe this or did i miss the sarcasm?

Originally posted by originalegg

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Cyborg99

Ok this is going nowhere. MMORPG mods, is thier any possible way you could ask aventurine on a progress update and maybe ask them why they don't like releasing info. I see no harm in this. Please can I get a mod response to stabilize this thread. Thank you.

 

Why are you appealing to MMORPG mods? They are nothing more than the hired minions of Tasos.

 

WOW and i thought it couldnt get any funnier.....do you really believe this or did i miss the sarcasm?

Ha ha, like you don't know it's true.

Originally posted by originalegg

Originally posted by Cyborg99

Originally posted by originalegg

Originally posted by Cyborg99

Ok this is going nowhere. MMORPG mods, is thier any possible way you could ask aventurine on a progress update and maybe ask them why they don't like releasing info. I see no harm in this. Please can I get a mod response to stabilize this thread. Thank you.

 

Can you please acknowledge the fact that while you use terms like "Stablize this thread" when it is your own thread and you want something...in other threads you drop one liners that are off topic, trolling, and are just there to flame people?

Im all for civilized discussion, but the irony is dripping from your posts and its frying my computer.

I don't doubt you but do you have proof?
 

 

Proof of what?  you want me to look at your post history and copy/paste your troll posts? 

 Or did you want proof of the liquid irony?

Ummm..I'll take both? Anyway I would like you to check out a game called Infinity: Quest for Earth http://www.infinity-universe.com/Infinity/index.php
 

Infinity is a very very small dev team (1-5 ppl?) and yet the devs still take the time to give updates on progress (via forums and blogs) and he even goes into detail of the technology and techniques they're using. Some people call Infinity vaporware (which it might be) but I see evidence that it is being worked on (progress updates). This is something df lacks, no updates so people are skeptical.

Infinty is a dev team that I will watch because they keep their community informed so we know they're progressing and adding feautures. A company like aventurine keeps their community in the dark but why, well either they're to busy with the game dev or they don't care. Now if the small dev team that's making Infinity can keep their communtiy informed and dev a game (of massive scale) then I'm sure df devs can take the extra effort to inform their community of their progress. Serouisly check out Infinity: Quest for Earth, it's going to be a great game (hopefully).

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by originalegg

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Cyborg99

Ok this is going nowhere. MMORPG mods, is thier any possible way you could ask aventurine on a progress update and maybe ask them why they don't like releasing info. I see no harm in this. Please can I get a mod response to stabilize this thread. Thank you.

 

Why are you appealing to MMORPG mods? They are nothing more than the hired minions of Tasos.

 

WOW and i thought it couldnt get any funnier.....do you really believe this or did i miss the sarcasm?

 

Ha ha, like you don't know it's true.

When I think of the many developers out there with the money and clout to "buy" this sites bias in favor of themselves, a fourth rate startup from Greece living on both borrowed time and money isn't anywhere in that equation.
 

Originally posted by Zorvan

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by originalegg

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Cyborg99

Ok this is going nowhere. MMORPG mods, is thier any possible way you could ask aventurine on a progress update and maybe ask them why they don't like releasing info. I see no harm in this. Please can I get a mod response to stabilize this thread. Thank you.

 

Why are you appealing to MMORPG mods? They are nothing more than the hired minions of Tasos.

 

WOW and i thought it couldnt get any funnier.....do you really believe this or did i miss the sarcasm?

 

Ha ha, like you don't know it's true.

When I think of the many developers out there with the money and clout to "buy" this sites bias in favor of themselves, a fourth rate startup from Greece living on both borrowed time and money isn't anywhere in that equation.
 

Why? It's not like they are in a bidding war with Blizzard. The games are listed in alphabetical order. An extra 50 bucks is 50 bucks you didn't have before.

Originally posted by Cyborg99

Ummm..I'll take both? Anyway I would like you to check out a game called Infinity: Quest for Earth http://www.infinity-universe.com/Infinity/index.php
 

Infinity is a very very small dev team (1-5 ppl?) and yet the devs still take the time to give updates on progress (via forums and blogs) and he even goes into detail of the technology and techniques they're using. Some people call Infinity vaporware (which it might be) but I see evidence that it is being worked on (progress updates). This is something df lacks, no updates so people are skeptical.

Infinty is a dev team that I will watch because they keep their community informed so we know they're progressing and adding feautures. A company like aventurine keeps their community in the dark but why, well either they're to busy with the game dev or they don't care. Now if the small dev team that's making Infinity can keep their communtiy informed and dev a game (of massive scale) then I'm sure df devs can take the extra effort to inform their community of their progress. Serouisly check out Infinity: Quest for Earth, it's going to be a great game (hopefully).

Darkfall News. There you go, have fun with the over 150 news threads. In case you did not know, we had an update less than a week ago.

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Zorvan

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by originalegg

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Cyborg99

Ok this is going nowhere. MMORPG mods, is thier any possible way you could ask aventurine on a progress update and maybe ask them why they don't like releasing info. I see no harm in this. Please can I get a mod response to stabilize this thread. Thank you.

 

Why are you appealing to MMORPG mods? They are nothing more than the hired minions of Tasos.

 

WOW and i thought it couldnt get any funnier.....do you really believe this or did i miss the sarcasm?

 

Ha ha, like you don't know it's true.

When I think of the many developers out there with the money and clout to "buy" this sites bias in favor of themselves, a fourth rate startup from Greece living on both borrowed time and money isn't anywhere in that equation.
 

 

Why? It's not like they are in a bidding war with Blizzard. The games are listed in alphabetical order. An extra 50 bucks is 50 bucks you didn't have before.

Let me put it in an easier way:
 

If I was running this site, and I was going to whore it out for the cash, I would pander to the ones who could actually pay me in cash and not food stamps.

Originally posted by Cyborg99

Originally posted by originalegg

 

Proof of what?  you want me to look at your post history and copy/paste your troll posts? 

 Or did you want proof of the liquid irony?

Ummm..I'll take both?

 

Ok but remember you asked me...dont go crying to mods please:

there are all from different posts...just dont feel like separating them

Originally posted by Cyborg99

Also, that video was absolute trash....fanbois you have now been proven wrong. The char movement was disgusting and the gameplay looked slugish. R.I.P. darkfall

Exactly, u think a junk company like adventurine can keep tight security on their beta, lol. Fanboi logic: I don't need proof (screenies, etc) I can just make stuff up with no proof. You fanbois better make some room in ur moms basement because I think tasos will have to move in after he and adventurine goes bankrupt lol.

Nope Darkfall is worse then vaporware, it's tookulongenoughware. Serouisly, fanbois I love how you still stick up for this game while the devs treat you like sht and keep you in the dark. (hahaha ur lose not mine) I guess every game is vaporware at one point by defenition but common sense can usually seperate the real vaporware. But 8 years geeezzzz, u gotta have alot of time on ur hands to wait that long lol.

OMG, hahahahaha this made my day, thanks Vynt. You been waiting 4 years to get into beta, hahahahaha, that made me rofl. Thank you 

 

Some are worse than others...but clearly you are trying too hard to sound objective in this thread.  Either to bait people and cause trouble, or because its your thread and you somehow feel wronged when people do what you do to other threads.

Though glancing at your post history shows you are also a huge LOTRO fanboi...so its fun when you call others fanbois.  Couple posts in there that arent DF related in which you bash some game and then try to tell people to go check out LOTRO.

Well there ya go

Ok egg I'll admit, I got caught up in the trolling, but I've evolved past that. Now I'm trying to be civilized. Also wow you actually took the time to find that...cool. I don't dislike fanbois, I just don't see why you stand up for df to the point of almost obssesion. I mean I chat on these forums because I'm bored sitting at my house, I would never get upset at something said on these forums and I hope no of you would either. Were just making conversation and having fun discussing games.

Now for my question, what is the reason you stand up for this game, is it to try to prove the "trolls" wrong or is it because you really believe in this game (please be honest). I bash this game/dev team because I don't like the way aventurine handles their pr and updates. The way they're acting now might be a look into how they will act when the game is out and needs fixing (bugs,content,etc). Also what is the liquid irony thing.