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aventurine is a shady mmo company and letting them continue their shady business tactics is bad for the mmo community. Thier robbing their fans of their time and the fans are in for a big let down. Please mmorpg, get an interview with adventurine and get some kind of progress update or something. If you let this continue, other mmo companies will see what adventurine is doing and they will start treating thier fanbase the same way (rarely any updates, horrible developments times, hardly any concrete info). Please mmo do it for the fans who are in for a huge let down, we need to take care of them so their not to hurt by this game. Thank you in advance.

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Edit2: Also lets try to keep this thread civilized. I respect the mods of mmorpg.com and you should too.

I started this thread because I'm used to the awsome dev team (Turbine) who created LOTR online. They are the standard for mmo dev teams, their really care about their community and they're always releasing updates. aventurine should take a lesson from Turbine.

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Originally posted by Cyborg99

adventurine is a shady mmo company and letting them continue their shady business tactics is bad for the mmo community. Thier robbing their fans of their time and the fans are in for a big let down. Please mmorpg, get an interview with adventurine and get some kind of progress update or something. If you let this continue, other mmo companies will see what adventurine is doing and they will start treating thier fanbase the same way (rarely any updates, horrible developments times, hardly any concrete info). Please mmo do it for the fans who are in for a huge let down, we need to take care of them so their not to hurt by this game. Thank you in advance.

I agree!

I have said for a couple of years that this game is a hoax. I also addressed mmorpg.com at several occassions as to why they want Darkfall to continue when it is clear there is no real development going into this "game".
 

Sadly mmorpg.com has raised the bar very low as to when you can be included in their site.

This game will never release. It is a fake project. The so-called beta is non-existant. Their videos are scripted and their pictures are photoshopped.

It has FAKE written all over it.

It is sad because sandbox lovers like myself have nowhere to cling their hopes these days.

But mmorpg.com has a responsibility and they keep neglecting on that!

I don't really see why they should have to provide any information, stick to deadlines or have any regard for people following the game whatsoever.  It's not even released yet so nobody has paid them any money.

Why should they care about random people on the internet who are not actual customers?  I don't understand this attitude at all.

When it's released if you like the look of it then buy it, until then you should not expect anything.

Would you be willing to pay for screenshots, videos and information?

MMORPG generates it's income from advertising, if there's no Darkfall forum then that means less page hits and less revenue, why would they want that?

Imbant, why would the mods lock this thread, because I'm asking them nicely to ask adventurine whats going on with their game? You might not need proof but most of the other fans do want proof. Also please don't post those large pics of irrelevant things, that is trolling at it's worst and I would never do that to one of your threads. (Please edit your post, take down that pic so we can have a civilized forum conversation.) Thank you.

Seriously, give me an answer.  Why should they provide updates?

You haven't paid them anything and it's entirely your own choice if you follow this game.

If the answer is just to be nice, then wtf?? This is business venture not a charity with the aim of keeping you entertained.

 So your saying people should stop believeing DF will come out and come play LOTRO? 

/facepalm

Well I would certainly be glad to see a concrete, thorough interview done by a credible source such as MMORPG.com, however I do not think Adventurine is on the same page.  They have made it clear that they are working on their own time schedule and will release what they want to release when they want to do it.  Although this dissapoints me because most companies keep their fans clinging to new information, I do not necessarily disagree with their stance.  Sandbox games have a particularly difficult mission these days in the MMO world post-WoW.  They have a lot of stuff going on and they can not get themselves too deep by constantly worrying about PR like the larger companies do such as Mythic, Turbine, SOE, and Blizzard. 

Unfortunately, lack of information is something that we DF fans will have to live with for the time being.  Now if January 1st, 2009 rolls around and we haven't been given any new information from this point, then I wouldn't blaim you to be extremely pissed and give up hope on DF.  However, I anticipate many more to be accepted to beta by then and the game to start actually coming to life.  No I do not believe the game will be released by that date, but it sure would be nice to see. 

Originally posted by Blodpls

I don't really see why they should have to provide any information, stick to deadlines or have any regard for people following the game whatsoever.  It's not even released yet so nobody has paid them any money.

Why should they care about random people on the internet who are not actual customers?  I don't understand this attitude at all.

When it's released if you like the look of it then buy it, until then you should not expect anything.

Would you be willing to pay for screenshots, videos and information?

MMORPG generates it's income from advertising, if there's no Darkfall forum then that means less page hits and less revenue, why would they want that?

 

Let me tell you whats wrong with this, if aventurine starts lowering thier standards (not releasing any info before game release) then other companies will start thinking the same way. Over time the mmo devs will start lowering their standards of how they treat their fans. Look at a company like Turbine, they go above and beyond to keep their fans happy. Would you rather have your devs treating you like garbage (not releasing any new content for years, taking their time fixing bugs, rarely any updates) or would you rather have devs who care about you having a great time playing their game.

Originally posted by Stellos

Well I would certainly be glad to see a concrete, thorough interview done by a credible source such as MMORPG.com, however I do not think Adventurine is on the same page.  They have made it clear that they are working on their own time schedule and will release what they want to release when they want to do it.  Although this dissapoints me because most companies keep their fans clinging to new information, I do not necessarily disagree with their stance.  Sandbox games have a particularly difficult mission these days in the MMO world post-WoW.  They have a lot of stuff going on and they can not get themselves too deep by constantly worrying about PR like the larger companies do such as Mythic, Turbine, SOE, and Blizzard. 

Unfortunately, lack of information is something that we DF fans will have to live with for the time being.  Now if January 1st, 2009 rolls around and we haven't been given any new information from this point, then I wouldn't blaim you to be extremely pissed and give up hope on DF.  However, I anticipate many more to be accepted to beta by then and the game to start actually coming to life.  No I do not believe the game will be released by that date, but it sure would be nice to see. 

I think every fan would agree that if there is no new info by the end of the year...no beta updates...no open beta...no leaks...no explanations....no huge video or big concrete update or explanation of why it isnt releasing in 08.....then we will swallow our pride and admit we were wrong.

luckily i know for a fact that wont happen.  and of course i cant disclose how i know that...

As much as I would love to be proved wrong about Darkfall, I still say that it will be the next Mourning Online/ Dark and Light.

Originally posted by Cyborg99

aventurine is a shady mmo company and letting them continue their shady business tactics is bad for the mmo community. Thier robbing their fans of their time and the fans are in for a big let down. Please mmorpg, get an interview with adventurine and get some kind of progress update or something. If you let this continue, other mmo companies will see what adventurine is doing and they will start treating thier fanbase the same way (rarely any updates, horrible developments times, hardly any concrete info). Please mmo do it for the fans who are in for a huge let down, we need to take care of them so their not to hurt by this game. Thank you in advance.

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Robbing fans of their time lol??. I could understand people being upset if they actually had taken money for pre-orders and not yet delivered on the promises.  But again they have not asked for a single cent.  As far as progress goes, I would of thought the Athens video was a pretty good indication of how far they have come with the game,  not to mention the 17 min vid.

Anyway  good luck to you Cyborg99.

Originally posted by Blodpls

Seriously, give me an answer.  Why should they provide updates?

You haven't paid them anything and it's entirely your own choice if you follow this game.

If the answer is just to be nice, then wtf?? This is business venture not a charity with the aim of keeping you entertained.

Your question: Why should they provide updates? My answer: No I haven't paid them anything and I never will pay them anything. They are lowering the standards of mmo companies. Most people don't like to speculate and hope for a beta/game, they like concrete evidence. So they should release update to show they are following through on their promises. Just to be nice lol, nope it's to keep business standards. Just because aventurine is a cheap company and they don't want to pay for pr doesn't mean I'll cut them slack. I like to shop at walmart because it's cheap, you probably shop at the small store because you feel bad for the owner. I'm looking out for myself, I'm not cutting aventurine any slack because thier cheap.
 

Originally posted by Cyborg99

I started this thread because I'm used to the awsome dev team (Turbine) who created LOTR online. They are the standard for mmo dev teams, their really care about their community and they're always releasing updates. aventurine should take a lesson from Turbine.

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Yeah, turbine rocks... or not. It is not a great idea to dizz a company that havn't released their first hame yet, do you really think Turbine was so much better before they released their first game?

I'm not impressed by either of the companies, if you want a good company, look on Arenanet but these accusations are useless before A have released their first game.

There is no way you now if they will release updates and take care of their commonuty, they don't have a community yet.

Speculating about DF seems like religion on this site, just wait until it releases and we start talking then. Will I play DF? Don't think so but I don't rule it out completley.

Originally posted by Cyborg99

Originally posted by Blodpls

Seriously, give me an answer.  Why should they provide updates?

You haven't paid them anything and it's entirely your own choice if you follow this game.

If the answer is just to be nice, then wtf?? This is business venture not a charity with the aim of keeping you entertained.

Your question: Why should they provide updates? My answer: No I haven't paid them anything and I never will pay them anything. They are lowering the standards of mmo companies.

Ya lost it right there. By your logic if MMO companies had standards surely DnL, SWG, AoC, etc.  must have obliterated them long ago.

Originally posted by Cyborg99

Originally posted by Blodpls

Seriously, give me an answer.  Why should they provide updates?

You haven't paid them anything and it's entirely your own choice if you follow this game.

If the answer is just to be nice, then wtf?? This is business venture not a charity with the aim of keeping you entertained.

Your question: Why should they provide updates? My answer: No I haven't paid them anything and I never will pay them anything. They are lowering the standards of mmo companies. Most people don't like to speculate and hope for a beta/game, they like concrete evidence. So they should release update to show they are following through on their promises. Just to be nice lol, nope it's to keep business standards. Just because aventurine is a cheap company and they don't want to pay for pr doesn't mean I'll cut them slack. I like to shop at walmart because it's cheap, you probably shop at the small store because you feel bad for the owner. I'm looking out for myself, I'm not cutting aventurine any slack because thier cheap.
 

Why should they have to prove that they are following through on their promises? 

They can just release the game and if you like it you buy it, simple.

It's not cutting them any slack, you don't have right to complain in the firsts place as you have absolutely no vested interest.

You shop at Walmart so you pay them money, do you complain about Sainsburys product range then?

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by Cyborg99

Originally posted by Blodpls

Seriously, give me an answer.  Why should they provide updates?

You haven't paid them anything and it's entirely your own choice if you follow this game.

If the answer is just to be nice, then wtf?? This is business venture not a charity with the aim of keeping you entertained.

Your question: Why should they provide updates? My answer: No I haven't paid them anything and I never will pay them anything. They are lowering the standards of mmo companies.

 

Ya lost it right there. By your logic if MMO companies had standards surely DnL, SWG, AoC, etc.  must have obliterated them long ago.

Yup.  Always wonder if people just forget about the games you listed.

DF is far far far from doing anything like those games did.....yet....

Originally posted by Blodpls

Originally posted by Cyborg99

Originally posted by Blodpls

Seriously, give me an answer.  Why should they provide updates?

You haven't paid them anything and it's entirely your own choice if you follow this game.

If the answer is just to be nice, then wtf?? This is business venture not a charity with the aim of keeping you entertained.

Your question: Why should they provide updates? My answer: No I haven't paid them anything and I never will pay them anything. They are lowering the standards of mmo companies. Most people don't like to speculate and hope for a beta/game, they like concrete evidence. So they should release update to show they are following through on their promises. Just to be nice lol, nope it's to keep business standards. Just because aventurine is a cheap company and they don't want to pay for pr doesn't mean I'll cut them slack. I like to shop at walmart because it's cheap, you probably shop at the small store because you feel bad for the owner. I'm looking out for myself, I'm not cutting aventurine any slack because thier cheap.
 

 

Why should they have to prove that they are following through on their promises? 

They can just release the game and if you like it you buy it, simple.

It's not cutting them any slack, you don't have right to complain in the firsts place as you have absolutely no vested interest.

You shop at Walmart so you pay them money, do you complain about Sainsburys product range then?

 

 

 

Pr is apart of the budget. aventurine has very little pr. They are a little company with very little money. I won't cut them slack for their lack of pr, you will. You might think give the little company a chance because thier little but me, I could care less if their little with no money, their nothing and they need to prove themselves before I have any respect for them. You have compansion, I don't, thats the way it is.
 

Originally posted by Cyborg99

Originally posted by Blodpls

Originally posted by Cyborg99

Originally posted by Blodpls

Seriously, give me an answer.  Why should they provide updates?

You haven't paid them anything and it's entirely your own choice if you follow this game.

If the answer is just to be nice, then wtf?? This is business venture not a charity with the aim of keeping you entertained.

Your question: Why should they provide updates? My answer: No I haven't paid them anything and I never will pay them anything. They are lowering the standards of mmo companies. Most people don't like to speculate and hope for a beta/game, they like concrete evidence. So they should release update to show they are following through on their promises. Just to be nice lol, nope it's to keep business standards. Just because aventurine is a cheap company and they don't want to pay for pr doesn't mean I'll cut them slack. I like to shop at walmart because it's cheap, you probably shop at the small store because you feel bad for the owner. I'm looking out for myself, I'm not cutting aventurine any slack because thier cheap.
 

 

Why should they have to prove that they are following through on their promises? 

They can just release the game and if you like it you buy it, simple.

It's not cutting them any slack, you don't have right to complain in the firsts place as you have absolutely no vested interest.

You shop at Walmart so you pay them money, do you complain about Sainsburys product range then?

 

 

 

Pr is apart of the budget. aventurine has very little pr. They are a little company with very little money. I won't cut them slack for their lack of pr, you will. You might think give the little company a chance because thier little but me, I could care less if their little with no money, their nothing and they need to prove themselves before I have any respect for them. You have compansion, I don't, thats the way it is.
 

i dont think they ever asked for respect

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And yes I have seen this and others like it. But what does it prove? A working 3d engine is not very hard to make - esp. not after spending a decade on this pet project. But what I see is a predominantly empty world and where the combat systems seems to revolve around the toons randomly hitting out towards enemies. The system doesn't appear to be anywhere near beta. It doesn't seem to be near finished for 2009 release or real beta.

So I can't see what this proves?

If this game ever see the light of day it will never be able to contain all those features they promised. There is no proof out there. And Aventurine doesn't seem like a real development company.

I have to say it is a hoax even if this is not what you want to hear.

Devs for AOC, DnL, SWG, etc have really lowered standards for mmo's. We don't need anymore junk compies ruining the mmo industry.

I think the standard is you pay MMORPG.com, and Aventurine has given MMORPG.com some money, so that's that.

If you got the money you can advertise anything you want to. It's not on the outlet carrying the advertising to verify every product that is being advertised.

Darkfall sends out more Beta invites

Should MMORPG.Com verify there is a beta? I mean, I can send out beta invites. It's just an email that says you're invited to the Beta, when there is a beta.

Originally posted by Cyborg99 

Pr is apart of the budget. aventurine has very little pr. They are a little company with very little money. I won't cut them slack for their lack of pr, you will. You might think give the little company a chance because thier little but me, I could care less if their little with no money, their nothing and they need to prove themselves before I have any respect for them. You have compansion, I don't, thats the way it is.
 

Face it, you just want something for nothing.  You are not willing to wait until it releases to see what the game is like.

When you have money invested in Aventurine then you shall be entitled to complain about their pr budget, until then it's whinging like a spoiled kid.

How am I giving them a chance exactly? I can't buy anything off them so it's impossible.

Well as someone who has been called a troll by these jack#$%s many times because any level of skepticism = troll, I will say there was no point in opening this thread.

The simple fact of the matter is that as nice as Darkfall looks, it has been stuck FOR YEARS at that point which many MMO's before it have been stuck at where it's almost done, but the developers can't pull the resources to polished it up for release and evenutally say f'k it, release a disaterous unfinished product and move on to careers in real estate.

There are exceptions to every rule, and Darkfall could certainly be the exception to the rule, and it would a great thing for the MMO community if it was, but it's a long shot. This is not to say we can't, it just to say it is very much a long shot, and DF Fanobois are total idiots for ripping in to everyone who expresses any skeptism toward a game that we FACTUALLY know very little about at this point.

But, like I said... the rabid devotees won't let anyone with any common sence who's been at this a while get a word in edgewise, so no point making a thread like this.

At this point it's just best to shut until and see what eventually happens.

This thread hurts my head...before and after the mods cleaned it up.

edit: because mods are on a warpath and i think there is a trigger happy op reporting anyone who falls for the bait