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Found some more information about the illusive Executive producer, part owner / investor of Aventurine and 50% shareholder in and chairman of the board of Razorwax.

He’s on the excutive board who recently in Moscow elected the vice chairman for the european confederation of Modern Pentathlon for 2009-2012.

http://www.atleticom.it/atlnew/news.asp?i=60951&s=6

He also was from 2000- 2004 or probebly still currently is the president of the Hellenic Federation of Modern Pentathlon.

http://www.eomop.gr/Pent_web_english/federation.htm

nice

Interesting,  really hope he had no hand in organizing the Olympics when they were in Greece.  Otherwise this could become very interesting.

Spiros Iordanis variously listed as responsible for “business management” and vice president and/or part owner of Aventurine, and a board member for Razorwax.

Appears to be a “super” bike owner and enthusiast, an obvious connection with Jade El Madawi’s involvement and sponsorship of Ismini Fabiatou for the 2005 - Rover MG Cup.

http://www.motomag.gr/index.php?option=com_fireboard&func=userlist&Itemid=137&orderby=registerDate&direction=ASC&limit=30&limitstart=120

Look at his nickname “kjetilmob”, almost certainly him.

George Ballas listed as Aventurine’s “office manager” in 2005 might be this person.

http://www.martindale.com/George-A-Ballas/1214682-lawyer.htm

a senior partner in this Greek law firm with offices in Athens. 

Patent & Trade Mark Attorneys

http://www.martindale.com/Ballas-Pelecanos-Associates/1214679-law-firm-office.htm

Perhaps they were just padding out their employee’s list for the 2005 article and listed their lawyer, or perhaps he does or did have a more substantial involvement with Aventurine.

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Agree 100% shame the OP is on a ego trip Hillarious. I'd comment on the thread but there is nothing to discuss.

Originally posted by Isane

 

Agree 100% shame the OP is on a ego trip Hillarious. I'd comment on the thread but there is nothing to discuss.

The only person who is demonstrating they are on an ego trip is you, expecting people to take your personal assurances as absolute certainty’s based only on your words and faith, but with no virtually no substantiation whatsoever, just like Tasos.

This is just information and facts with my personal interpretation of what they mean, the fact that you cant see that shows who’s really letting their ego affect their ability to be rational and objective.

And at the same time of course you yourself are hypocritically egotistically declaring this thread contains nothing worthy of your discussion, But I suppose the irony of that is lost on you.

Perhaps if you actually read the information and facts instead of dismissing them you might be able to come up with some stronger arguments other then the usual and rather pathetic attempts of character assassination and outright denial.

But then again perhaps you have comprehended them, yet cant come up with anything else more substantial.

And not to mention you hypocritically declaring this body of evidence is not worthy of responding to, yet of course doing so anyway!.

The fact is you personally know a lot of this information is potentially very troubling, that is if your not totally irrational of course, you just don’t want accept it publicly, because it makes you realize the trust and dedication you have committed to this game and the people behind it over the years has been demonstrated to be probably very misguided and unwarranted.

So your just sticking your fingers in your ears and singing LA LA LA LA whilst calling me names, which is fine, if that’s how you or anyone else who still shares your conviction wants to present themselves.

Oh and by the way before you start accusing anyone of “shame”, “ego“ “hilarity” or their being “nothing to discuss” lets wait to see what actually happens by the end of the year.

If this game successfully launches this year with the majority of its proposed features, as the developers have officially committed themselves to doing, I will happily be making a public apology to anyone who cares shortly before commencing to play it, the questions is will you or any of the other ardent supporters be doing the same if it doesn’t?, I very much doubt it myself.

Originally posted by Polarization

Originally posted by Isane

 

Agree 100% shame the OP is on a ego trip Hillarious. I'd comment on the thread but there is nothing to discuss.

The only person who is demonstrating they are on an ego trip is you, expecting people to take your personal assurances as absolute certainty’s based only on your words and faith, but with no virtually no substantiation whatsoever, just like Tasos.

This is just information and facts with my personal interpretation of what they mean, the fact that you cant see that shows who’s really letting their ego affect their ability to be rational and objective.

And at the same time of course you yourself are hypocritically egotistically declaring this thread contains nothing worthy of your discussion, But I suppose the irony of that is lost on you.

Perhaps if you actually read the information and facts instead of dismissing them you might be able to come up with some stronger arguments other then the usual and rather pathetic attempts of character assassination and outright denial.

But then again perhaps you have comprehended them, yet cant come up with anything else more substantial.

And not to mention you hypocritically declaring this body of evidence is not worthy of responding to, yet of course doing so anyway!.

The fact is you personally know a lot of this information is potentially very troubling, that is if your not totally irrational of course, you just don’t want accept it publicly, because it makes you realize the trust and dedication you have committed to this game and the people behind it over the years has been demonstrated to be probably very misguided and unwarranted.

So your just sticking your fingers in your ears and singing LA LA LA LA whilst calling me names, which is fine, if that’s how you or anyone else who still shares your conviction wants to present themselves.

Oh and by the way before you start accusing anyone of “shame”, “ego“ “hilarity” or their being “nothing to discuss” lets wait to see what actually happens by the end of the year.

If this game successfully launches this year with the majority of its proposed features, as the developers have officially committed themselves to doing, I will happily be making a public apology to anyone who cares shortly before commencing to play it, the questions is will you or any of the other ardent supporters be doing the same if it doesn’t?, I very much doubt it myself.

 

thats about what your doing pol

Originally posted by Isane

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Agree 100% shame the OP is on a ego trip Hillarious. I'd comment on the thread but there is nothing to discuss.

Ego trip?  Is posting information now the act of an egomaniac?  Is there nothing to discuss because the sources are unbiased?  Where exactly did the OP say the game was fabricated? 

You guys are building a strawman and beating it up.  Really, I am so impressed.  But your comments have nothing to do with the OP or the information he posted, they are all related to the strawman you created.

Talk about sad...might want to check the mirror.

Originally posted by Xxeon

thats about what your doing pol

He presented facts from third-party sources.  You can come to your own conclusions.  When Polar did give his interpretation, he made it clear that is was his interpretation.  What more could you want?

wasnt really talking about that....

Originally posted by Xxeon

wasnt really talking about that....

Xxeon, I’m afraid most of us don’t really know what your talking about most of the time anyway.

I already said i will : )

Originally posted by Polarization

Originally posted by Isane

 

Agree 100% shame the OP is on a ego trip Hillarious. I'd comment on the thread but there is nothing to discuss.

The only person who is demonstrating they are on an ego trip is you, expecting people to take your personal assurances as absolute certainty’s based only on your words and faith, but with no virtually no substantiation whatsoever, just like Tasos.

This is just information and facts with my personal interpretation of what they mean, the fact that you cant see that shows who’s really letting their ego affect their ability to be rational and objective.

And at the same time of course you yourself are hypocritically egotistically declaring this thread contains nothing worthy of your discussion, But I suppose the irony of that is lost on you.

Perhaps if you actually read the information and facts instead of dismissing them you might be able to come up with some stronger arguments other then the usual and rather pathetic attempts of character assassination and outright denial.

But then again perhaps you have comprehended them, yet cant come up with anything else more substantial.

And not to mention you hypocritically declaring this body of evidence is not worthy of responding to, yet of course doing so anyway!.

The fact is you personally know a lot of this information is potentially very troubling, that is if your not totally irrational of course, you just don’t want accept it publicly, because it makes you realize the trust and dedication you have committed to this game and the people behind it over the years has been demonstrated to be probably very misguided and unwarranted.

So your just sticking your fingers in your ears and singing LA LA LA LA whilst calling me names, which is fine, if that’s how you or anyone else who still shares your conviction wants to present themselves.

Oh and by the way before you start accusing anyone of “shame”, “ego“ “hilarity” or their being “nothing to discuss” lets wait to see what actually happens by the end of the year.

If this game successfully launches this year with the majority of its proposed features, as the developers have officially committed themselves to doing, I will happily be making a public apology to anyone who cares shortly before commencing to play it, the questions is will you or any of the other ardent supporters be doing the same if it doesn’t?, I very much doubt it myself.

 

 I just think the poster above was trying to say there was nothing to discuss, peoples CVs from unofficial sources. I look at the initial thread whats the point of it.

Are you trying to prove some dark conspiracy or theory ? Is this just a post count excercise ? I wouldn't say this thread is funny though just empty you seem a little bitter with respect to DF. I used to doubt DF but when people go to the extent you seem to to pick at DF my gut feeling says it must exist.

To put so much effort into doubting something you don't appear to believe in seems twisted.

Originally posted by Astralian

 I just think the poster above was trying to say there was nothing to discuss, peoples CVs from unofficial sources. I look at the initial thread whats the point of it.

What you really mean is there’s nothing really positive to discuss about the facts and information presented, and I agree, so because your only interested or capable of talking positively about this project then you obviously have nothing to discuss.

The developers CV’s from LinkedIn are only a small proportion of the information presented in this thread, but of course one would have to read past the first page or not be in denial to appreciate that.

These “unofficial” CV’s were changed after I posted them here, and they are almost certainly legitimate because of all the circumstantial and correlative facts, your attempt to question them by casting dispersions about their authenticity is just another attempt to discredit 3^rd party information that does not reflect positively on this project.

The only reason why you or any of the other supporters declare this thread is pointless, irrelevant or empty is because most of the 3^rd party facts and information presented can not rationally be interpreted positively, so you are forced to resort to the usual and utterly predictable name calling, straw man arguments, semantics, denial and attempts at character assassination etc.

Are you trying to prove some dark conspiracy or theory ?

Nope, just presenting 3^rd party information and facts with my own personal opinion on what they mean, who knows what they really mean but we will get a very good idea if my interpretation of these facts are correct by the end of the year, so no need for conspiracy theories.

Is this just a post count excercise ?

What?, Alt/1 week old supporter account 2345 are you seriously accusing me of a post count exercise, how desperate and ludicrous can you get.

I wouldn't say this thread is funny though just empty you seem a little bitter with respect to DF.

The only people who have demonstrated they are bitter in my opinion are the supporters of this project who have felt compelled to personally attack and attempt to discredit me for posting information and facts they obviously find disquieting.

Again to declare this thread is empty is a very desperate attempt to deny this thread probably has at least 10 times more verifiable and new 3^rd party facts and information then any other Darkfall thread, of course if you disagree then please provide a link to a similar body of 3^rd party evidence, your failure to do so will demonstrate a tacit admission of this.

 

Anyone declaring this this thread is empty is a ridiculous statement to anyone who’s objectively comprehended the numerous and substantial information and facts presented and would only be said by someone who has an agenda to promote and discredit anything not positive about this project or by someone who’s in denial or simply someone who’s not read past the first page.

I used to doubt DF but when people go to the extent you seem to to pick at DF my gut feeling says it must exist.

So gut feeling’s and logical fallacy’s are all you have to support your opinion, forgive me if I don’t personally find that very persuasive, in fact I find it rather amusing if that’s all you have.

To put so much effort into doubting something you don't appear to believe in seems twisted.

And to put so much effort into believing something you don’t appear to be able justify belief in seems twisted to me.

This is not about belief, faith or trust for me, its about cold hard facts, I have presented them here, belief is not a requirement to objectively interpret them, in fact as you have demonstrated it makes that impossible.

We will see if your or any of the other supporters faith and belief in contradiction to this evidence is justified over the next 5 months, of course I very much doubt you actually will be around then If I am proven correct.

ill be around i can admit when im wrong

 http://www.peakware.com/logs.html?log=5928&PHPSESSID=50e0e1fc3a69e34fd4047d1de44b0a55

Bjorn Eirik Larsen listed as Aventurines only AI programmer for Darkfall in 2004 previously only credited as music composer for the graphical adventure game The longest journey from 2000, seems to of found the time to enjoy a spot of hiking in Greece.

I wonder if 4 years later he’s still "playing around" with the same ideas he was talking about on the garage games forum 4 years ago for Darkfall’s AI whilst hiking in Greece or if he’s made more substantial progress, or perhaps if he’s even working for Aventurine anymore.

Either way it appears he had a nice time.

Originally posted by Polarization

 

 http://www.peakware.com/logs.html?log=5928&PHPSESSID=50e0e1fc3a69e34fd4047d1de44b0a55

 

Bjorn Eirik Larsen listed as Aventurines only AI programmer for Darkfall in 2004 previously only credited as music composer for the graphical adventure game The longest journey from 2000, seems to of [edit: *have*]  found the time to enjoy a spot of hiking in Greece.

I wonder if 4 years later he’s still "playing around" with the same ideas he was talking about on the garage games forum 4 years ago for Darkfall’s AI whilst hiking in Greece or if he’s made more substantial progress, or perhaps if he’s even working for Aventurine anymore.

Either way it appears he had a nice time.

yet more utterly irrelvant info... <yawn>

Also, you realise that's an extremely common name in scandanavia, roughly equivalent to John Erik Smith or the like. Very good chance it's not even the same person. In any case i'd like to do that trek sometime too.

And finally, Darkfall's AI programmer is Mirco Sanguinetti.

Yes the Bjorn Erik Larsen who was officially listed as Darkfalls only AI programmer in 2004.

Might not be this Bjorn Eirik Larsen on Garagegames

http://www.garagegames.com/my/home/view.profile.php?qid=42501

Profile: Bjorn Eirik Larsen

Who was saying this on the garage games forum in 2004 about his ideas for NPC AI.

http://www.garagegames.com/mg/forums/result.thread.php?qt=21869

Good thinking Nathaniel. In fact, I'm playing around with the same ideas myself! Consider this:

The Information Game:

Think of the NPCs forming an artificial socal network. If one NPC knows something, he might spread this knowledge by telling other NPCs. The player can make NPCs act directly or indirectly by inserting information into this network. Do you tell the truth? Do you tell a lie? What end result do you want? Any side effects? It doesn't have to be verbal information. What if an NPC sees you murder someone?

The Interaction Game:

An NPC has a personality defined by a few main traits. These traits colour the way the NPC talks and interacts with the player. How reliable is the information the NPC gives you? What can you read between the lines? How can you get the cooperation from an NPC? Can you make the NPC like you, feel attracted to you, respect you, or follow you?

-Bjorn

Also might not be the same Bjorn Eirik Larsen credited with music composition for The longest journay and "special effects" for Anarchy Online, but hopefully he is becuase at least he would have some credentials and previous experience within the undustry unlike most of the developers.

And he might not be the same Bjorn Eirik Larsen whos enjoying hiking trips in Greece at the same time another Bjorn Eirik Larson was working for Aventurine in Greece.

It might all just be a coincedence, but i doubt it, but of course you or anyone else is free to decide for themselves.

Great thread Pol', I guess the only way the fanbois are going to accept the obvious logical conclusion of Darkfall's failure and death, is to have the devs come to their house, slap them in the face and shout "WAKE UP".

It's incredible to me how naive some people are.  I am surprised they even make it in RL.  Must be good to see the world through a child's logic like the fanbois do.  I genuinely feel pity for them.

Originally posted by Trogg13

Firstly hello to yet another few days old alt account already with almost 50 posts attacking anyone who is critical of Darkfall and its developers.

Seeing as you edited your post to make it even more insulting and condescending then it was originally I decided to reply to it directly.

yet more utterly irrelvant info... <yawn>

And yet still more personal attacks and attempts at discrediting this by someone who appears to be compelled to respond to this “irrelevant info” yet again using freshly made accounts, I wonder.

maybe while you're devoting 90% of your free time trying to find dirt on darkfall, you could brush up on your year 7 spelling and grammar while you're there. I even corrected for you.

Maybe while your devoting 90% of your free time trying to defend and promote Darkfall, you could brush up on your tiresomely predictable and pathetically juvenile attempts at doing so.

And before you start ridiculing others spelling or grammar you probably should use a spell checker yourself, to not do so would make anyone look rather foolish and petty, oh wait…

Also, you realise that's an extremely common name in scandanavia, roughly equivalent to John Erik Smith or the like. Very good chance it's not even the same person. In any case i'd like to do that trek sometime too.

Because stating your opinion that it’s a “very good chance its not even the same person” is about the best defense you can some up with, and at the same time is a tacit admission that this it not something you want to be true because even you appreciate how badly it reflects.

And finally, Darkfall's AI programmer is Mirco Sanguinetti.

Because Tasos told you so in 2007, riiiight, and why exactly is mentioning that name supposed to mean anything to anyone, just like he said Bjorn Eirik Larsen was the AI programer in 2004.

So anything else to add other then yet another name of a person provided by Tasos who on cursory investigation appears to be yet another no name person with no or very little credentials or experience in the MMO industry.

Originally posted by Polarization

It might all just be a coincedence, but i doubt it, but of course you or anyone else is free to decide for themselves.

Oh i know he *has* worked on darkfall, we just don't know if he still is (or not). the last reference to AI programmer we have is Mirco, as i linked.

Originally posted by Trogg13

Originally posted by Polarization

It might all just be a coincedence, but i doubt it, but of course you or anyone else is free to decide for themselves.

 

Oh i know he *has* worked on darkfall, we just don't know if he still is (or not). the last reference to AI programmer we have is Mirco, as i linked.

 

btw, it's spelt 'coincidence', and it's "you or anyone else are free to decide", not "you or anyone else is free to decide".

 

 

lol...

So it's come down to pointing out spelling and grammar mistakes of the DF detractors to make you guys feel better about yourselves because you have nothing to counter-point their facts...

It reminds me of children who are losing an argument...  "oh yeah...  Well your stinky"

DF fanbois... Your one line riposte or personal attacks just aren't cutting it.

Get your heads out of the sand and come up with some facts of your own.  Not just what your glorious leader Tasos says.

Originally posted by Polarization

Originally posted by Astralian

 I just think the poster above was trying to say there was nothing to discuss, peoples CVs from unofficial sources. I look at the initial thread whats the point of it.

What you really mean is there’s nothing really positive to discuss about the facts and information presented, and I agree, so because your only interested or capable of talking positively about this project then you obviously have nothing to discuss.

The developers CV’s from LinkedIn are only a small proportion of the information presented in this thread, but of course one would have to read past the first page or not be in denial to appreciate that.

These “unofficial” CV’s were changed after I posted them here, and they are almost certainly legitimate because of all the circumstantial and correlative facts, your attempt to question them by casting dispersions about their authenticity is just another attempt to discredit 3^rd party information that does not reflect positively on this project.

The only reason why you or any of the other supporters declare this thread is pointless, irrelevant or empty is because most of the 3^rd party facts and information presented can not rationally be interpreted positively, so you are forced to resort to the usual and utterly predictable name calling, straw man arguments, semantics, denial and attempts at character assassination etc.

Are you trying to prove some dark conspiracy or theory ?

Nope, just presenting 3^rd party information and facts with my own personal opinion on what they mean, who knows what they really mean but we will get a very good idea if my interpretation of these facts are correct by the end of the year, so no need for conspiracy theories.

Is this just a post count excercise ?

What?, Alt/1 week old supporter account 2345 are you seriously accusing me of a post count exercise, how desperate and ludicrous can you get.

I wouldn't say this thread is funny though just empty you seem a little bitter with respect to DF.

The only people who have demonstrated they are bitter in my opinion are the supporters of this project who have felt compelled to personally attack and attempt to discredit me for posting information and facts they obviously find disquieting.

Again to declare this thread is empty is a very desperate attempt to deny this thread probably has at least 10 times more verifiable and new 3^rd party facts and information then any other Darkfall thread, of course if you disagree then please provide a link to a similar body of 3^rd party evidence, your failure to do so will demonstrate a tacit admission of this.

 

Anyone declaring this this thread is empty is a ridiculous statement to anyone who’s objectively comprehended the numerous and substantial information and facts presented and would only be said by someone who has an agenda to promote and discredit anything not positive about this project or by someone who’s in denial or simply someone who’s not read past the first page.

I used to doubt DF but when people go to the extent you seem to to pick at DF my gut feeling says it must exist.

So gut feeling’s and logical fallacy’s are all you have to support your opinion, forgive me if I don’t personally find that very persuasive, in fact I find it rather amusing if that’s all you have.

To put so much effort into doubting something you don't appear to believe in seems twisted.

And to put so much effort into believing something you don’t appear to be able justify belief in seems twisted to me.

This is not about belief, faith or trust for me, its about cold hard facts, I have presented them here, belief is not a requirement to objectively interpret them, in fact as you have demonstrated it makes that impossible.

We will see if your or any of the other supporters faith and belief in contradiction to this evidence is justified over the next 5 months, of course I very much doubt you actually will be around then If I am proven correct.

 

 

So in conclusion and just keeping things simple , I think that to put so much effort into doubting something you don't appear to believe in seems twisted. I could rattle an essay off like you appear to do in response to near every line someone type but there is no need.

Most of the content is factual but taken out of context, as someone who doesn't feel the need to invest vast ammounts of time trying too hard. I see enough information available regarding DF that I feel it will release in some form.

If something does not exist why would anyone be around pretty shady logic, yet another instance of a pointless statement.

(I wonder if another Novel will appear)

Am I the only person who sees the irony of pulling up the personal lives of aventurine employees while trying to claim game is vaporware or will "go out with a whimper".

 Plus moving from past work history and funding issues,  to where they vacation and their outside hobbies is moving into creepy creepy stalker territory.