I think by know the smart people know it's not a question of whether the game will release or not, but in what state the game will release.

It's still amazes me that some people think there is no game at all, guess thier mama DID raise a fool

Originally posted by Stanford

Originally posted by Catizone

 

Originally posted by thepatriot

The buzz died years ago.

 

The game died years ago.

You discuss this "dead" game still "years after"  is what ?

It's simply the sadistic pleasure we derive from watching the "faithful" hold on to hope.  It's like going to the zoo to see an animal that is on the brink of extinction.  We all had figured the DF diehards had died out by now.

Originally posted by GarboTheNoob

I think by know the smart people know it's not a question of whether the game will release or not, but in what state the game will release.

It's still amazes me that some people think there is no game at all, guess thier mama DID raise a fool

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!  Talk about the pot telling the kettle it's black.  ROFLMAO!

 In retrospect what have we learnt, well lets see.

People who spend their time making critical or skeptical posts about Darkfall are sad immature lowlife people who don’t have any thing better to do then make hateful pointless posts full of flames and lies and are wrong , people who spend their time making positive or optimistic posts arguing with them defending Darkfall are not like this in anyway.

Everyone who posts critical or skeptical opinions is either one of my multiple accounts, a developer from another game who is threatened by Darkfall, people paid by developers to attack Darkfall , or supporters of other carebear game‘s.

Anyone who posts critical or skeptical statements are expected to provide evidence or quotes to support them, supporters are not expected or required to becuase they are right.

Any evidence or quotes that are provided to support critical or skeptical statements are ignored or dismissed because they are not true and the person making them is wrong, or becuase only a positive and optimistic Interpretation is correct. 

Everything positive or optimistic that’s based on what the developers say is true because everything the developers say is true, whenever the developers have been demonstrated as bieng false they where not false becuase the people who demonstrated it are wrong.

Everything said that’s positive or optimistic is true and defiantly going to happen anything that’s critical or skeptical is lies or speculation that’s wrong.

People who make one liner negative posts attacking Darkfall are not acceptable but people who make one liner positive posts defending Darkfall appear to be.

Personal attacks and attempts to discredit a person who makes skeptical or critical posts is acceptable because they are wrong, no evidence is needed to prove they are incorrect because they have automaticaly  been established as being wrong because they are critical or skeptical.

If anyone expresses concern about the validity of the developers claims or the apparent lack of information released about Darkfall its purely because they are ignorant of the facts about Darkfall and are lacking knowledge about the developers.

When a person demonstrates they are not ignorant of the facts they are wrong because they are skeptical or critical about those facts.

Anyone who is skeptical or critical has no genuine interest in the game and has no constructive intentions, only people who are positive and optimistic have a genuine interest in the game and are the only people who are constructive members of the community.

People who make critical or skeptical post’s with account’s that have recent join dates or low post count are defiantly multiple accounts , people who make positive and optimistic posts with accounts that have recent join dates or low post counts are defiantly not.

Everything the developers and the supporters have said is true and the evidence that supports those claims is correct even if they contradict each other or they cant agree on exactly what is the correct version of that truth or exactly what evidence that truth is based on.

Originally posted by Polarization

 In retrospect what have we learnt, well lets see.

People who spend their time making critical or skeptical posts about Darkfall are sad immature lowlife people who don’t have any thing better to do then make hateful pointless posts full of flames and lies and are wrong , people who spend their time making positive or optimistic posts arguing with them defending Darkfall are not like this in anyway.

Everyone who posts critical or skeptical opinions is either one of my multiple accounts, a developer from another game who is threatened by Darkfall, people paid by developers to attack Darkfall , or supporters of other carebear game‘s.

Anyone who posts critical or skeptical statements are expected to provide evidence or quotes to support them, supporters are not expected or required to becuase they are right.

Any evidence or quotes that are provided to support critical or skeptical statements are ignored or dismissed because they are not true and the person making them is wrong, or becuase only a positive and optimistic Interpretation is correct. 

Everything positive or optimistic that’s based on what the developers say is true because everything the developers say is true, whenever the developers have been demonstrated as bieng false they where not false becuase the people who demonstrated it are wrong.

Everything said that’s positive or optimistic is true and defiantly going to happen anything that’s critical or skeptical is lies or speculation that’s wrong.

People who make one liner negative posts attacking Darkfall are not acceptable but people who make one liner positive posts defending Darkfall appear to be.

Personal attacks and attempts to discredit a person who makes skeptical or critical posts is acceptable because they are wrong, no evidence is needed to prove they are incorrect because they have automaticaly  been established as being wrong because they are critical or skeptical.

If anyone expresses concern about the validity of the developers claims or the apparent lack of information released about Darkfall its purely because they are ignorant of the facts about Darkfall and are lacking knowledge about the developers.

When a person demonstrates they are not ignorant of the facts they are wrong because they are skeptical or critical about those facts.

Anyone who is skeptical or critical has no genuine interest in the game and has no constructive intentions, only people who are positive and optimistic have a genuine interest in the game and are the only people who are constructive members of the community.

People who make critical or skeptical post’s with account’s that have recent join dates or low post count are defiantly multiple accounts , people who make positive and optimistic posts with accounts that have recent join dates or low post counts are defiantly not.

Everything the developers and the supporters have said is true and the evidence that supports those claims is correct even if they contradict each other or they cant agree on exactly what is the correct version of that truth or exactly what evidence that truth is based on.

There is a difference between being critical and skeptical and being a troll.  Only trolls attack things like site design or developement time because those things really don't matter.  Critical and skeptical people discuss things that will actually matter after release such as game features.

Originally posted by Polarization

 In retrospect what have we learnt, well lets see.

People who spend their time making critical or skeptical posts about Darkfall are sad immature lowlife people who don’t have any thing better to do then make hateful pointless posts full of flames and lies and are wrong , people who spend their time making positive or optimistic posts arguing with them defending Darkfall are not like this in anyway.

Everyone who posts critical or skeptical opinions is either one of my multiple accounts, a developer from another game who is threatened by Darkfall, people paid by developers to attack Darkfall , or supporters of other carebear game‘s.

Anyone who posts critical or skeptical statements are expected to provide evidence or quotes to support them, supporters are not expected or required to becuase they are right.

Any evidence or quotes that are provided to support critical or skeptical statements are ignored or dismissed because they are not true and the person making them is wrong, or becuase only a positive and optimistic Interpretation is correct. 

Everything positive or optimistic that’s based on what the developers say is true because everything the developers say is true, whenever the developers have been demonstrated as bieng false they where not false becuase the people who demonstrated it are wrong.

Everything said that’s positive or optimistic is true and defiantly going to happen anything that’s critical or skeptical is lies or speculation that’s wrong.

People who make one liner negative posts attacking Darkfall are not acceptable but people who make one liner positive posts defending Darkfall appear to be.

Personal attacks and attempts to discredit a person who makes skeptical or critical posts is acceptable because they are wrong, no evidence is needed to prove they are incorrect because they have automaticaly  been established as being wrong because they are critical or skeptical.

If anyone expresses concern about the validity of the developers claims or the apparent lack of information released about Darkfall its purely because they are ignorant of the facts about Darkfall and are lacking knowledge about the developers.

When a person demonstrates they are not ignorant of the facts they are wrong because they are skeptical or critical about those facts.

Anyone who is skeptical or critical has no genuine interest in the game and has no constructive intentions, only people who are positive and optimistic have a genuine interest in the game and are the only people who are constructive members of the community.

People who make critical or skeptical post’s with account’s that have recent join dates or low post count are defiantly multiple accounts , people who make positive and optimistic posts with accounts that have recent join dates or low post counts are defiantly not.

Everything the developers and the supporters have said is true and the evidence that supports those claims is correct even if they contradict each other or they cant agree on exactly what is the correct version of that truth or exactly what evidence that truth is based on.

The so called  "scepticals" and "critics" are very rare here. What is common is people who publicly admit that they not interested  in DarkFall and just post for amusement .

Common essence of all their hate posts is  "DarkFall is vaporware".  All their posts is variation of that thought. So again  if they believe DF is vapoware, what is their motivation to post on this forum ? like they say , amusement , at least they are honest about this.

For to discuss on this Forum it is required  that you believe project is in development and intended to be released by the developers. It makes no sense to visit this forum else or you are a troll.  But you gave me some ideas about their motivation:

"Everyone who posts critical or skeptical  opinions trolls  is either one of my haters  multiple accounts, a developer from another game who is threatened by Darkfall, people paid by developers to attack Darkfall , or supporters of other carebear game‘s."

For the "critics" and "sceptical" posts you describe have to search with magnifiers i am afraid.If you hadn't  overinflated your statements this could had be one of them.

Yeah, most of the trolls are anti-pvpers.  They just hate everything that is hardcore pvp.

http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=55636

A very interesting read about some trolls.  It is funny they actually tracked their IP to other developement companies who were trying to smear DF's reputation.

Originally posted by Stanford

 For to discuss on this Forum it is required  that you believe project is in development and intended to be released by the developers.

Really? Please point out that rule in this sites' Rules of Conduct, 'cause I sure don't see it. If you only think people who believe Darkfall exists have the right to discuss the game, I suggest you head on over to the official forums. Oh, wait. There's people there even who don't believe the game will ever surface also. I guess you'll need to go make your own forums where you can make the rules and decide who can/can't discuss the game. Good luck with that.

Originally posted by Entreri28

Yeah, most of the trolls are anti-pvpers.  They just hate everything that is hardcore pvp.

http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=55636

A very interesting read about some trolls.  It is funny they actually tracked their IP to other developement companies who were trying to smear DF's reputation.

Yeah its dirty business.

Talk about being scared of DF when you as a game developer for other games have to jump DF boards disguised.

Originally posted by Entreri28

There is a difference between being critical and skeptical and being a troll. 

Obviously there is a difference, but it seems most people don’t appear to appreciate that as demonstrated by many reply’s to this thread including yours, despite my attempt at satire to highlight in my opinion the incredible amount of hypocrisy, denial and inconsistency shown by the most ardent supporters of this game and its developers.

Only trolls attack things like site design or developement time because those things really don't matter. 

You personally might consider Site design or development time as things that really don’t matter, or that only “trolls” attack potential site design and development time issues.

I would argue that your opinion is in the minority and is also ignorant and naïve, a development time of over 7 years and a website that is infrequently updated or contains an inadequate amount of information are perfectly justifiable things to be critical and skeptical about.

Critical and skeptical people discuss things that will actually matter after release such as game features.

Again you might personally consider anything related to a games development before it is released as not mattering, and that critical or skeptical people only discuss thing’s that matter after release.

I would argue again that your opinion is in the minority and is ignorant and naïve, in my opinion its ridiculous of you to suggest that only things matter after a game has released or that only skeptic or critics can discuss things after launch.

Think of it this way polar, if DF is released and you are playing, are you really going to care how long it was in developement or that their site(which will probably be updated) wasn't that great before release?  Are you going to think to yourself, this game was in developement so long I'm not going to play even though it is awesome.  Of course you won't, that's why that stuff doesn't matter right now.  It will have 0 effect on the game when it is released.  Personally, I think a long developement time is good, I have seen two other games, Roma Victor and DnL, fail that both started developement the same time as DF.  Niether of those had all the features they promised, I would rather have 1/3 of them be good and