Originally posted by downtoearth

segg relax you may get banned again ><

It's ok =)

Originally posted by Seggallion

 

Originally posted by ghoul31

 

Originally posted by Seggallion

 

 

 You dwell on those beta announcement to much, so you are blind to see anything positive with the game.

What exactly is positive? Every year for the last 5 years they said beta was about to start, and it never has. They only went to one gaming convention, and didn't even bring the game. As the OP points out, they haven't shown us 90% of the features that are supposed to be in the game.  Their latest video just shows backgrounds and some character models.

What is there to be positive about? What facts show us that the game will be released soon? There are none.

 

See, now you are there again.

What are you trying to accomplish here if you don't have any interest in the game or see anything positive with it? Just argument against us who looking forward to a new game? Aye, that's it. You just turned yourself into a troll.

Are you feeling proud over yourself? almost 40 years old and act like a teenager who are in need of attention. Or if this isn't the case, please enlight everyone here why you act like you do against us.

 

 

/Signed

Id also like to know what ghoul31:s intention here on the board is? You really think anything youd say would make us drop interest even the slightest? More likely it will work the other way arround, we the fanbois merge together even tighter the more negativism you deliver us.

HA HA HA HA

I love you guys!  First your ONLY angle against ghoul was that he didn't list his links.  Now that he has linked to EVERY quote...your angle is "Well, you're just a hater and will will live on!"

He's not a hater.  Obviously, he likes the ideal as much as you or else he wouldn't have been keeping up with the information this long.  Where he differs from you fanboys is that he actually uses his brain when thinking about what is really going on here. 

I'll give you some facts too.

FACT:  Adventurine deliberately avoids a publisher...which would expedite the process a thousand fold.

FACT:  They state that this is to keep extra hands out of the money later on so that they do not 'need' WoW numbers to succeed.

FACT:  They, as a solo project, still do not have key game elements shown to the public that other teams would have had up in mere months after initial programming.  Between constant changes, and an obviously skeleton crew, even if they ARE making the game...you may never live to see it.  In fact...the longer it takes them to DO this, the more GFX updates they are going to have to go through in order to keep up with times.

FACT:  Encouraging their choice to remain on this path by blindly following what they have to say on the matter is not productive to your cause.  It would be in your best interest to use player demand to force them into picking up at least a small publisher to get this game OUT before another GFX update is needed and you lose 2-3 MORE years on this.

  I want the game too.  Their choices in this development have made me think twice about them.  We should have MORE information and videos about this game than AOC (Since AoC has likely the most controlling NDA EVA) but we do not.  We have more information from NDA breaking LEAKS in other games than we do about a game which has been in production for over half a decade.  I think you are all fools for supporting this kind of model for the game.....because it WILL translate into the game when and IF it does come out as well.  DO you really want to wait 6 years for patches and expansions?????

Originally posted by Gishgeron

HA HA HA HA

 

I love you guys!  First your ONLY angle against ghoul was that he didn't list his links.  Now that he has linked to EVERY quote...your angle is "Well, you're just a hater and will will live on!"

 

He's not a hater.  Obviously, he likes the ideal as much as you or else he wouldn't have been keeping up with the information this long.  Where he differs from you fanboys is that he actually uses his brain when thinking about what is really going on here. 

 

I'll give you some facts too.

 

FACT:  Adventurine deliberately avoids a publisher...which would expedite the process a thousand fold.

FACT:  They state that this is to keep extra hands out of the money later on so that they do not 'need' WoW numbers to succeed.

FACT:  They, as a solo project, still do not have key game elements shown to the public that other teams would have had up in mere months after initial programming.  Between constant changes, and an obviously skeleton crew, even if they ARE making the game...you may never live to see it.  In fact...the longer it takes them to DO this, the more GFX updates they are going to have to go through in order to keep up with times.

FACT:  Encouraging their choice to remain on this path by blindly following what they have to say on the matter is not productive to your cause.  It would be in your best interest to use player demand to force them into picking up at least a small publisher to get this game OUT before another GFX update is needed and you lose 2-3 MORE years on this.

 

  I want the game too.  Their choices in this development have made me think twice about them.  We should have MORE information and videos about this game than AOC (Since AoC has likely the most controlling NDA EVA) but we do not.  We have more information from NDA breaking LEAKS in other games than we do about a game which has been in production for over half a decade.  I think you are all fools for supporting this kind of model for the game.....because it WILL translate into the game when and IF it does come out as well.  DO you really want to wait 6 years for patches and expansions?????

I'll take this one!

Originally posted by Gishgeron

HA HA HA HA

 

I love you guys!  First your ONLY angle against ghoul was that he didn't list his links.  Now that he has linked to EVERY quote...your angle is "Well, you're just a hater and will will live on!"

 

He's not a hater.  Obviously, he likes the ideal as much as you or else he wouldn't have been keeping up with the information this long.  Where he differs from you fanboys is that he actually uses his brain when thinking about what is really going on here. 

 

I'll give you some facts too.

 

FACT:  Adventurine deliberately avoids a publisher...which would expedite the process a thousand fold.

FACT:  They state that this is to keep extra hands out of the money later on so that they do not 'need' WoW numbers to succeed.

FACT:  They, as a solo project, still do not have key game elements shown to the public that other teams would have had up in mere months after initial programming.  Between constant changes, and an obviously skeleton crew, even if they ARE making the game...you may never live to see it.  In fact...the longer it takes them to DO this, the more GFX updates they are going to have to go through in order to keep up with times.

FACT:  Encouraging their choice to remain on this path by blindly following what they have to say on the matter is not productive to your cause.  It would be in your best interest to use player demand to force them into picking up at least a small publisher to get this game OUT before another GFX update is needed and you lose 2-3 MORE years on this.

 

  I want the game too.  Their choices in this development have made me think twice about them.  We should have MORE information and videos about this game than AOC (Since AoC has likely the most controlling NDA EVA) but we do not.  We have more information from NDA breaking LEAKS in other games than we do about a game which has been in production for over half a decade.  I think you are all fools for supporting this kind of model for the game.....because it WILL translate into the game when and IF it does come out as well.  DO you really want to wait 6 years for patches and expansions?????

FALSE

Originally posted by Gishgeron

HA HA HA HA

 

I love you guys!  First your ONLY angle against ghoul was that he didn't list his links.  Now that he has linked to EVERY quote...your angle is "Well, you're just a hater and will will live on!"

 

He's not a hater.  Obviously, he likes the ideal as much as you or else he wouldn't have been keeping up with the information this long.  Where he differs from you fanboys is that he actually uses his brain when thinking about what is really going on here. 

 

I'll give you some facts too.

 

FACT:  Adventurine deliberately avoids a publisher...which would expedite the process a thousand fold.

FACT:  They state that this is to keep extra hands out of the money later on so that they do not 'need' WoW numbers to succeed.

FACT:  They, as a solo project, still do not have key game elements shown to the public that other teams would have had up in mere months after initial programming.  Between constant changes, and an obviously skeleton crew, even if they ARE making the game...you may never live to see it.  In fact...the longer it takes them to DO this, the more GFX updates they are going to have to go through in order to keep up with times.

FACT:  Encouraging their choice to remain on this path by blindly following what they have to say on the matter is not productive to your cause.  It would be in your best interest to use player demand to force them into picking up at least a small publisher to get this game OUT before another GFX update is needed and you lose 2-3 MORE years on this.

 

  I want the game too.  Their choices in this development have made me think twice about them.  We should have MORE information and videos about this game than AOC (Since AoC has likely the most controlling NDA EVA) but we do not.  We have more information from NDA breaking LEAKS in other games than we do about a game which has been in production for over half a decade.  I think you are all fools for supporting this kind of model for the game.....because it WILL translate into the game when and IF it does come out as well.  DO you really want to wait 6 years for patches and expansions?????

FACT: Adventurine has a small staff of programmers/designers.

FACT: AoC has a huge staff of programmers/designers/PR reps and many others.

FACT: AoC and WAR are being made by companies with game making experince.

FACT: Due to Darkfalls massive world, rule set, feature list it is going to take a long time to make.

What does all this mean? Simple

AoC and WaR has Double even triple the number of staff on the project as Darkfall and it will take them 5 to 6 years to release a full version.

Darkfall being a lot bigger game world and more features with a way smaller non experince game design team will take longer then the others.

If I remember correctly both AoC and WAR have pushed back thier release dates and beta dates a few times.

Logic states that because Darkfall is being made by a smaller design team with a bigger (better) game design then both AoC and WAR it will take Darkfall longer to get to market. 

But what is logic?  Logic sucks for your arguments

Originally posted by TdogSkal

 

Originally posted by Gishgeron

HA HA HA HA

 

I love you guys!  First your ONLY angle against ghoul was that he didn't list his links.  Now that he has linked to EVERY quote...your angle is "Well, you're just a hater and will will live on!"

 

He's not a hater.  Obviously, he likes the ideal as much as you or else he wouldn't have been keeping up with the information this long.  Where he differs from you fanboys is that he actually uses his brain when thinking about what is really going on here. 

 

I'll give you some facts too.

 

FACT:  Adventurine deliberately avoids a publisher...which would expedite the process a thousand fold.

FACT:  They state that this is to keep extra hands out of the money later on so that they do not 'need' WoW numbers to succeed.

FACT:  They, as a solo project, still do not have key game elements shown to the public that other teams would have had up in mere months after initial programming.  Between constant changes, and an obviously skeleton crew, even if they ARE making the game...you may never live to see it.  In fact...the longer it takes them to DO this, the more GFX updates they are going to have to go through in order to keep up with times.

FACT:  Encouraging their choice to remain on this path by blindly following what they have to say on the matter is not productive to your cause.  It would be in your best interest to use player demand to force them into picking up at least a small publisher to get this game OUT before another GFX update is needed and you lose 2-3 MORE years on this.

 

  I want the game too.  Their choices in this development have made me think twice about them.  We should have MORE information and videos about this game than AOC (Since AoC has likely the most controlling NDA EVA) but we do not.  We have more information from NDA breaking LEAKS in other games than we do about a game which has been in production for over half a decade.  I think you are all fools for supporting this kind of model for the game.....because it WILL translate into the game when and IF it does come out as well.  DO you really want to wait 6 years for patches and expansions?????

Well if you use Logic or your brain as you stated we do not then you would see the issue in your logic.

 

FACT: Adventurine has a small staff of programmers/designers.

FACT: AoC has a huge staff of programmers/designers/PR reps and many others.

FACT: AoC and WAR are being made by companies with game making experince.

FACT: Due to Darkfalls massive world, rule set, feature list it is going to take a long time to make.

What does all this mean? Simple

AoC and WaR has Double even triple the number of staff on the project as Darkfall and it will take them 5 to 6 years to release a full version.

Darkfall being a lot bigger game world and more features with a way smaller non experince game design team will take longer then the others.

If I remember correctly both AoC and WAR have pushed back thier release dates and beta dates a few times.

Logic states that because Darkfall is being made by a smaller design team with a bigger (better) game design then both AoC and WAR it will take Darkfall longer to get to market. 

But what is logic?  Logic sucks for your arguments

And Darkfall ain't aiming for a gear/levelbased game, they know it wont be huge as WoW. And we know it to. We only want atleast one sandboxgame. If it is a market for it? Aye, I think so.

Ghoul31 - thank you for the links.  When you make quotes or present evidence for an argument, linking one's sources is the best way to support them.   You shouldn't expect readers to do it, it is really the responsibility of the person presenting the evidence to back it up, as you now have done.   It adds credence to the point you're making.

Originally posted by TdogSkal

Darkfall being a lot bigger game world and more features with a way smaller non experince game design team will take longer then the others.

Logic states that because Darkfall is being made by a smaller design team with a bigger (better) game design then both AoC and WAR it will take Darkfall longer to get to market. 

Actually logic would state that a much smaller company trying to produce a much more complex product  would have a much higher chance of not succeeding when there have been larger companies in the past that failed to produce less complex products.     The Darkfall hype is really based more on faith rather than logic at this stage, and that's okay - up to a point.   

Originally posted by Gishgeron

I love you guys!  First your ONLY angle against ghoul was that he didn't list his links.  Now that he has linked to EVERY quote...your angle is "Well, you're just a hater and will will live on!"

 He's not a hater.  Obviously, he likes the ideal as much as you or else he wouldn't have been keeping up with the information this long. 

Partly agree with this, though not in the inflammatory way it was phrased.    People are asking why Ghoul31 is going through all this trouble.   I think I can answer that.  

How many times has the MMORPG community been burned by developers?  How many times have developers made promises that only turned out to be deceptions?     And yet the community still gets excited when one comes along and claims they have the next game that will change everything with nothing more to back it up than screenshots and a video or two.   (I don't mean Darkfall but games like Gods and Heroes and Dark and Light)

Developers act that way because they know they can get away with it.    The MMORPG community has historically been very easy to abuse.   Developers could release half-finished pieces of junk and expect the MMORPG community to pay to beta-test them.  And the community would let them.  

The MMORPG community has learned a little, and Ghoul31 is pointing out another thing that should be learned.   It's easy to get excited about a new game, believe the hype and tell everyone it's going to be awesome like the Developer promises.      It's harder to do your own research, demand actual evidence (public demos,  game mechanic info, interviews with major gaming mags/sites etc) and question the developers constantly if a game seems to be going along less than smoothly. 

I'm not sayign Darkfall is vaporware or that it won't be released.   I am saying the Darkfall followers should stop claiming this game is the Second Coming unless a LOT more actual evidence starts showing up especially considering the very rocky history of the game's development. Otherwise developers will keep seeing how easy it is to manipulate the community.

Developers will keep stringing the community along as long as there are who let them.   Enthusiasm is great but look at the games that failed in 2007 and all their hype that many in the community so eagerly swallowed.   We should be setting developers to higher standards, and the competent and talented developers will rise to meet them.

Originally posted by Alienovrlord

Ghoul31 - thank you for the links.  When you make quotes or present evidence for an argument, linking one's sources is the best way to support them.   You shouldn't expect readers to do it, it is really the responsibility of the person presenting the evidence to back it up, as you now have done.   It adds credence to the point you're making.

Originally posted by TdogSkal

Darkfall being a lot bigger game world and more features with a way smaller non experince game design team will take longer then the others.

Logic states that because Darkfall is being made by a smaller design team with a bigger (better) game design then both AoC and WAR it will take Darkfall longer to get to market. 

Actually logic would state that a much smaller company trying to produce a much more complex product  would have a much higher chance of not succeeding when there have been larger companies in the past that failed to produce less complex products.     The Darkfall hype is really based more on faith rather than logic at this stage, and that's okay - up to a point.   

Originally posted by Gishgeron

I love you guys!  First your ONLY angle against ghoul was that he didn't list his links.  Now that he has linked to EVERY quote...your angle is "Well, you're just a hater and will will live on!"

 He's not a hater.  Obviously, he likes the ideal as much as you or else he wouldn't have been keeping up with the information this long. 

Partly agree with this, though not in the inflammatory way it was phrased.    People are asking why Ghoul31 is going through all this trouble.   I think I can answer that.  

How many times has the MMORPG community been burned by developers?  How many times have developers made promises that only turned out to be deceptions?     And yet the community still gets excited when one comes along and claims they have the next game that will change everything with nothing more to back it up than screenshots and a video or two.   (I don't mean Darkfall but games like Gods and Heroes and Dark and Light)

Developers act that way because they know they can get away with it.    The MMORPG community has historically been very easy to abuse.   Developers could release half-finished pieces of junk and expect the MMORPG community to pay to beta-test them.  And the community would let them.  

The MMORPG community has learned a little, and Ghoul31 is pointing out another thing that should be learned.   It's easy to get excited about a new game, believe the hype and tell everyone it's going to be awesome like the Developer promises.      It's harder to do your own research, demand actual evidence (public demos,  game mechanic info, interviews with major gaming mags/sites etc) and question the developers constantly if a game seems to be going along less than smoothly. 

I'm not sayign Darkfall is vaporware or that it won't be released.   I am saying the Darkfall followers should stop claiming this game is the Second Coming unless a LOT more actual evidence starts showing up especially considering the very rocky history of the game's development. Otherwise developers will keep seeing how easy it is to manipulate the community.

Developers will keep stringing the community along as long as there are who let them.   Enthusiasm is great but look at the games that failed in 2007 and all their hype that many in the community so eagerly swallowed.   We should be setting developers to higher standards, and the competent and talented developers will rise to meet them.

We are aware of this, the point is that ghoul not just says it once, twice or twenty times. Hes like a machine on repeat. And he has stated that he don't have any interest in the game, so we all wonder why he is here and bring his negative comments everywere he goes. DF boards are not the only ones tho.