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Darkfall: Interview with Tasos Flambouras
Recently, MMORPG.com had the opportunity to ask a number of questions of Darkfall's Tasos Flambouras about the length of time that the game has been in development, the beta process and release schedule.
| MMORPG.com: | Can you tell us, as of the answering of this Q&A exactly where Darkfall stands in terms of nearness to being a launch-ready title? |
| Tasos Flambouras: | Darkfall could launch today. It's more ready for launch than most, if not all of the MMORPG titles at the same stage that I've personally sampled and it has been for quite some time. Everything has been tested internally and since November 10th we've been using an ever-growing number of external testers. |
| MMORPG.com: | Darkfall has been in development for a very long time, can you please tell us why this game's development process has been so long? |
| Tasos Flambouras: | So long compared to what? We've been in development since 2003. Look at all that makes Darkfall stand out compared to other MMOs. In order to deliver all that we've had to develop proprietary technology from scratch. We also had to develop a company from scratch and everything associated with running a long game development cycle. We've done this independently. Even games that license all their technology are taking 5+ years, while still using teams several times the size of our own. All this usually with the backing of major publishers, and most of their everyday problems solved. So I would say that our development time is consistent with the making a breakthrough game, all the reusable technology to run it, and limited resources to do so. It's a long time, sure...but not for what we've achieved. |
| MMORPG.com: | The length of time that this game has been in development have led some to speculate that this game is vapourware, can you speak to that point? |
| Tasos Flambouras: | We don't pay much attention to speculation but it's not the length of development that has led some to speculate...this has been going on since day one. I'd question the motives of those speculating all these years. We're almost talking about obsessive "trolling" either looking for a reaction, more information, or trying to hurt our efforts. Darkfall is a game that stands out, it's not a clone. Some people doubt it's possible, others worry that it is. Either way it generates a lot of interest. If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic. Another red flag is Darkfall's large, active and very passionate community. A lot of communities would like to be like Darkfall's. Slandering our game is a way to get a reaction. We have a thick skin; this kind of thing doesn't touch us. It actually makes us feel like we're on the right track. It has also served to fire up our community and has created diehard fans. It got a lot of people to take a closer look at our game and realize that this is what they've been waiting for. All the "trolls" have achieved is to inadvertently help perpetuate the buzz for Darkfall. We know exactly what we've got on our hands. Our best answer is that our game is coming out and then the voices will have to find something else to talk about. |
| MMORPG.com: | Darkfall is a game that has many within the MMO community buzzing. Can you tell us why we haven't seen a marketing campaign similar to those conducted pre-launch by many other MMO studios? |
| Tasos Flambouras: | The MMO community is buzzing, and then you ask why we don't have marketing. It's somewhat of an oxymoron. We've done what we could with the resources we've had available.' This has been a time for development. We're not going to sink development resources into traditional marketing before Darkfall is out. We need to be able to support this game and the response is overwhelming as it is. What would a traditional marketing campaign achieve? To help sell some more game boxes? This is not a single player game. When you sell an MMO you're in it for the long-haul. The best marketing for an MMO is having a great game that retains your players. Our marketing effort will be in response to our needs. The game speaks for itself...we expect a great deal of word of mouth. Darkfall can compete on merit with any MMO out there, but we can't compete against their huge marketing budgets. A traditional marketing campaign is not where our strength is. Having said that, we'll focus on working with online media that has been supporting Darkfall, and we will have a traditional marketing campaign as well, when we feel that Darkfall is best served by it. |
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| MMORPG.com: | Can you tell us, at this time, how many players are in the current incarnation of beta? |
| Tasos Flambouras: | It amazes people that we don't have leaks yet. Our explanation is that people in our beta are serious about our game and they like it. You don't leak information easily unless you don't care, you're disappointed, or feel let down. Our testers seem to care about our game. Most of them have left MMOs they just started playing and are invested in our beta. We find that amazing. We can't talk about our total number of selected testers to date, but several hundred testers are in the game as I write this. We're adding more every day, and their numbers will go up considerably in the days to come. |
| MMORPG.com: | Why is Darkfall's beta being run differently from betas that we have seen other MMO companies run? |
| Tasos Flambouras: | I'll agree that we're different. Even though we're a small team we've invested early in testing the game as much as possible. We know that even large game development studios keep testing as an afterthought, if that. We knew that with the complexity of Darkfall, we'd have to make sure that everything works well together. We're banking on our game being stable. In addition to our overall QA philosophy, we've had a team of professional testers on the game for over a year. An MMO is very complex software..We're not going to depend on playtesters for everything...the game is already tested. We need the playtesters mostly for extra gameplay feedback and to test hardware configurations. Having said that, there's certainly no prescription on how to run a QA phase of development. Our development certainly has little to do with traditional MMO development. We have a great deal more features, more technologies, and more innovations to test. We're doing our QA in such a way that we get good feedback on the game, so that we can handle our bug reports. The game is very stable, we're continuously patching, the testers have been impressed at our debugging turnaround. In short, we have to do what's best for Darkfall.
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| MMORPG.com: | There is a great deal of confusion surrounding Darkfall's beta and release schedule. Could you clarify any of this for us? |
| Tasos Flambouras: | We've been trying to get our partners up to speed and there will be an official statement in the next few days announcing a release date for the game. This should clear things up. |
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Awesome interview, and quite a coup for MMORPG.com. Nice job guys.
This has put quite a few of my worries to rest, and answered a lot of questions. Specifically their odd marketing stance.
Tasos seemed quite defensive, and understandably so. There were some pretty straight-to-the-point questions. I especially loved his "Compared to what?" response to the suggestion that DF has been in development for a long while.
So...it is ready to launch. More ready than most if not all other MMO's released.
Yet it doesn't launch. Why? No reason given. Update? Not in the slightest. A few more days, well considering Beta should have been over in a couple of days I suppose that is some kind of improvement at least.
On the plus side, at least we know about the numbers in Beta. Several hundred sounds about right, with more than likely no more than 100 on-line at any given time.
The stress test of this game will be very interesting.
Awsome thank you so much for seeking Tasos out for this interview
Interesting
Not very informative but interesting none the less.
"...there will be an official statement in the next few days announcing a release date for the game."
I'VE BEEN WAITING TO READ THAT LINE FOR 5 FUCKING YEARS NOW!!11½
Release date announced in a few days.
Well I did learn one thing. Tasos is a huge ego maniac. Besides that more of the same old same old. I'm tired of all the smoke and mirrors.
I'm sorry. Just another interview. More words and nothing else.
So much for getting something substantial.
The community asked for mmorpg.com to dig in and get substance, preferably into the beta so they could review it the same as the Italian guys supposedly did.
Instead, more words.
Everyone should mouse over the screenshot. Will give you a good laugh.
Oh we did get something substantial. *nod* We got confirmation of Beta-Numbers, which are as small as most serious people guessed.
And we also got a promise of a release date. That, coupled with Tasos official statement that the game will launch 2008, is a commitment.
It's time to put up or shut up for Darkfall within the next few days. I don't see how anyone could seriously support this game anymore -IF- the new year arrives without launch-dates and/or beta.
Sweet jebus man, you've got to start somewhere.
We were told that an announcement was coming in the next few days. This is called laying the groundwork for more in-depth coverage.
Ok so I think this might be my first actual post at MMORPG.com. I've been here for a few years though. But anyway didn't anyone else think this Tasos guy came off as a bit of an egotistical jerk? I mean just the way in which he answered the questions it was if he was acting like he and his company are far superior than anyone else. Sorry but to me he just came off as a bit of a prick.
Interesting read so we should hear something by the middle of next week on OB if they have one and release dates.
yea i notice that lol, but can you blame him?
Sweet jebus man, you've got to start somewhere.
We were told that an announcement was coming in the next few days. This is called laying the groundwork for more in-depth coverage.
Alright, alright. Perhaps I ask for too much. NOW GET IN THAT BETA!!
No substance? lol cmon....
Alright, alright. Perhaps I ask for too much. NOW GET IN THAT BETA!!
hopefully he will
So what exactly makes you go forward in life Zorvan? Seeing as you are obviously incapable of having any form of faith or even a mild understanding of the fact that If the game does not release it hurts no one. The benefits of the game releasing far outway that of the game not releasing.
Here I will put it into two scenarios the best I can.
1. The game does not release- One group of people are upset for a few months that the game did not release and go find another MMO to wait on. The Second group says "I told ya so DUDE!" and attempts at making themselves look better than the people who wanted the game to release.
2. The Game releases- People have fun, others do not.
What do you mean? Nothing happens...
PS: Finally some good work of you guys :) @Vaportrolls: Eat shit and die... you just have lost this one :-) Guess you'll have to start tearing down MortalOnline now.
It's an Age of Conan screenshot. Mouse over it in the full interview. And nothing is proven yet.
He did kind of sound annoied... probably after all the things that came from the mmorpg.com community; his earlier interviews here were much more friendly, but tbh... what do you expect after a petition to remove darkfall from these forums reached about ten pages before beeing closed? Beeing a little pissed is naturally. Also, he sounded pretty sure that he'll be able to deliver his promises.
Please stop -praising- Tasos to the high heavens. Most people would agree that he was nothing but ego-centric in this interview and acted like a prick.
Substance? Yeah. We got one number, and a vague one at that and the promise of another announcement, also in vague terms. Lucky for us, he already committed to 2008, so he is under much more pressure than during the last years when he could always say that no specific dates were ever given.
Other than that, this interview is just tasos telling everyone that Aventurine is doing things right and everyone else is doing them wrong, and Aventurine is much better than anyone else, period.
Edit: "It's so easy being a skeptic." <- This one made me laugh. The truth is, it's easy not believing anything...just as it's easy to believe -everything-.
It's trying to sort out the truth from the lies that's difficult. *smirk*
It's an Age of Conan screenshot. Mouse over it in the full interview. And nothing is proven yet.
uhm... no? It's not an age of Conan screenshot, it's here (http://www.darkfallonline.com/gallery/visuals/dc_01) in the official darkfall gallery to find :)
With the ammount of flack Aventurine gets from this community, I think he deserves to be a prick.
All hail Tasos.
They did give a reason.
"We need the playtesters mostly for extra gameplay feedback and to test hardware configurations."
Dude live in Europe a few years. He was just being direct I am not surpised by the tone of the answers just a cultural difference in communication.
Win
yea i notice that lol, but can you blame him?
Are you kidding me? He acts like a complete douche bag to the customers he is supposed to be trying to sell to and you don't want to blame him? WTH is wrong with you people?
They did give a reason.
"We need the playtesters mostly for extra gameplay feedback and to test hardware configurations."
And they need that for several years? o.O
Sorry, not a reason.
But hey, I'm patient. I'm sure we'll get something this month. be it an announcement or even release. I'll be happy to see where it goes.
Please stop -praising- Tasos to the high heavens. Most people would agree that he was nothing but ego-centric in this interview and acted like a prick.
Substance? Yeah. We got one number, and a vague one at that and the promise of another announcement, also in vague terms. Lucky for us, he already committed to 2008, so he is under much more pressure than during the last years when he could always say that no specific dates were ever given.
Other than that, this interview is just tasos telling everyone that Aventurine is doing things right and everyone else is doing them wrong, and Aventurine is much better than anyone else, period.
Edit: "It's so easy being a skeptic." <- This one made me laugh. The truth is, it's easy not believing anything...just as it's easy to believe -everything-.
It's trying to sort out the truth from the lies that's difficult. *smirk*
well yea so? its almost true in some ways. lets see if it really works
It's an Age of Conan screenshot. Mouse over it in the full interview. And nothing is proven yet.
uhm... no? It's not an age of Conan screenshot, it's here (http://www.darkfallonline.com/gallery/visuals/dc_01) in the official darkfall gallery to find :)
Well, it SAYS it's an Age of Conan shot when you mouse over it, which is what Guillermo197 was pointing out that you apparently missed.
Dude live in Europe a few years. He was just being direct I am not surpised by the tone of the answers just a cultural difference in communication.
I live in Europe, and have done so for the most part of my life. And no, his attitude is not something that you would expect from someone in his position. But maybe he's convinced that DF can survive on the current community alone. At the rate he and his "followers" are shooing others away, that'll be the way things turn out anyway.
thanks, you got it :-) The rest of the MMORPG developers from the last years made nothing but crappy games (I think everyone agrees on that... except maybe for warhammer - which I personally don't like, but others might - every single MMORPG that released was a failure (in numbers of fans and in reviews of their followers before release). If Tasos is sure he can deliver what he promised, then yes, he is right: Aventurine is doing it in a better way - actually testing the game before releasing it.
It sounds like honesty. I don't know how people can say he is being an ego maniac or too defensive when he is faced with questions like "so, people have called your game vaporware, how do you respond?". Give me a break. In fact, that is a very disrespectful question to ask if you want to conduct a serious interview. The interview was hostile and asked very little about the game itself. Despite that, Tasos was able to respond logically. Don't know about most people, but I'd prefer that larger companies would also adopt the Darkfall method of monetary allotment. Most of them spend too damn much on advertisement and damn near all of it turns out to be bull.
You want real vaporware? Check out Warhammer online. Age of Conan. They promised many things and delivered someone completely different. In light of that, I simply do not understand the criticisms many people are throwing out there atm.
uhm... no? It's not an age of Conan screenshot, it's here (http://www.darkfallonline.com/gallery/visuals/dc_01) in the official darkfall gallery to find :)
Well, it SAYS it's an Age of Conan shot when you mouse over it, which is what Guillermo197 was pointing out that you apparently missed.
well, it doesn't say so for me, but I'll just believe you that it does. Anyway, even if it says so, it's not true since the screenshot is definitly a darkfall one.
Thanks for mistaking darkfall's graphics with age of conans though :) - the graphics are the only thing AoC got right.
I live in Europe, and have done so for the most part of my life. And no, his attitude is not something that you would expect from someone in his position. But maybe he's convinced that DF can survive on the current community alone. At the rate he and his "followers" are shooing others away, that'll be the way things turn out anyway.
MMORPG.COM "haters" and "trolls" make Tasos angry. Break through "thick skin". Tasos show them! TASOS SMASH!!
Classical psychological projection, what a case study for budding psychologists, a pure gem!
Talk about a missed opportunity. They sit down (or email or whatever) for an interview and this is all that comes out of it?
Basically he says the same as always: soon
And I agree with some posters here, he is arrogant and not one I would really like to buy anything from..
I don't believe there is a game and IF, that's a big IF there was a game, I think it is being mishandled to death...
uhm... no? It's not an age of Conan screenshot, it's here (http://www.darkfallonline.com/gallery/visuals/dc_01) in the official darkfall gallery to find :)
Well, it SAYS it's an Age of Conan shot when you mouse over it, which is what Guillermo197 was pointing out that you apparently missed.
well, it doesn't say so for me, but I'll just believe you that it does. Anyway, even if it says so, it's not true since the screenshot is definitly a darkfall one.
Thanks for mistaking darkfall's graphics with age of conans though :) - the graphics are the only thing AoC got right.
I was never impressed by AoCs graphics, either.
thanks, you got it :-) The rest of the MMORPG developers from the last years made nothing but crappy games (I think everyone agrees on that... except maybe for warhammer - which I personally don't like, but others might - every single MMORPG that released was a failure (in numbers of fans and in reviews of their followers before release). If Tasos is sure he can deliver what he promised, then yes, he is right: Aventurine is doing it in a better way - actually testing the game before releasing it.
He can gloat -after- the game releases and is a success (by that I do not mean racking up WoW type numbers, but gaining a growing community and supporting itself when all's said and done). Gloating now, when everything is still up in the air just makes him appear like an a$$.
Let's face it, he hasn't proven anything yet. Acting like he has is not a good way to endear yourself to future players. *shrugs* But read my post above regarding that.
Anyway, I'm happy. It's finally a decisive month for DF. Looking forward to playing the game at long last and finding out just how much substance there is to this whole thing.
I live in Europe, and have done so for the most part of my life. And no, his attitude is not something that you would expect from someone in his position. But maybe he's convinced that DF can survive on the current community alone. At the rate he and his "followers" are shooing others away, that'll be the way things turn out anyway.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out!
Good interview, looking forward to news in the next couple days. I liked the way he answered his questions. Apologies for hurting your feelings there Nancy!
The guy(Tasos) is spot on he has given as good as he gets, the mmorpg question were all negative as if the owners of this site are becoming more and more like the troll fest that inhabits this site. No interest in games just in point scoring.
Better sites for DFO info and MMO info than this exist, lucky IMHO that Tasos even bothered to give them a few sound bytes. The trash talkers here just don't deserve it.
Is it that long since i posted here!!!!
Well done Aventuring and well done Tasos you made the interviewer look a little pathetic. stand your corner and what you believe in for these reasons DFO will be great.
And well said Kal'Theo
I live in Europe, and have done so for the most part of my life. And no, his attitude is not something that you would expect from someone in his position. But maybe he's convinced that DF can survive on the current community alone. At the rate he and his "followers" are shooing others away, that'll be the way things turn out anyway.
Right. Except for since the 17minutes gameplay video came out a few months ago, the numbers of darkfall forum members has quadruplicated.
Are you kidding me? He acts like a complete douche bag to the customers he is supposed to be trying to sell to and you don't want to blame him? WTH is wrong with you people?
Who cares if the game is good right?
But I think he is referring to the fact that so many ppl hate on DF...so can you blame him being a little uppiddy
Plus everyone who has met him say he is a swell guy
Classical psychological projection, what a case study for budding psycologists, a pure gem!
Errr. Right. So believing everything is not easy? Right. Being a person who questions nothing is a difficult task in life?
Wow....I wish I could live in your world.
Hey John Wood,
Why don't you put Darkfall in your scrolling features on the front of MMORPG.com? Currently one of the games is "Wizard 101" but yet Darkfall is not up there. Please! You have a ground breaking game/interview not being mentioned while most of the games on the front page are franchise games and other randoms offering nothing new other than a different color on the same vanilla MMO.
Oh and the questions were really... biased...
The length of time that this game has been in development have led some to speculate that this game is vapourware, can you speak to that point?
What do they think he'd answer? They should ask him questions about the game and stop badmouthing. If they don't believe the game's going to come out - fine, then don't bother interviewing.
The guy(Tasos) is spot on he has given as good as he gets, the mmorpg question were all negative as if the owners of this site are becoming more and more like the troll fest that inhabits this site. No interest in games just in point scoring.
Better sites for DFO info and MMO info than this exist, lucky IMHO that Tasos even bothered to give them a few sound bytes. The trash talkers here just don't deserve it.
Is it that long since i posted here!!!!
Well done Aventuring and well done Tasos you made the interviewer look a little pathetic. stand your corner and what you believe in for these reasons DFO will be great.
And well said Kal'Theo
The only one looking pathetic is the one praising his unreleased game as the Second coming and acting like an ass to the interviewer. He didn't want to do the interview with the big bad mmorpg.com meanies, he didn't have to.
While it was not what I was looking forward to, there was nothing wrong with the interviewer or his questions.
I live in Europe, and have done so for the most part of my life. And no, his attitude is not something that you would expect from someone in his position. But maybe he's convinced that DF can survive on the current community alone. At the rate he and his "followers" are shooing others away, that'll be the way things turn out anyway.
What part of Europe? England? lol...
Anyway, I agree with you that some of the people on the forums are very abrasive. I've been following the game for quite some time and have been flamed to a crisp for a suggestion that I don't think most people even understood. On the other hand, I think that people are banned and/or suspended for extreme hate and flaming. Also, if you want to get a feel for the game, post in the newbie forum. The Advanced forum is for people who have waited long for the game and many of the most vocal have very little patience.
In any case though, many of the people who go to the DF forums expect to change the game into EQIII or WoWII. They are quickly dealt with and they should be. Try suggesting on the WoW forums that you should be able to loot your opponents gear. They will also flame you.
I think the real problem is that people who go to the DF forums thinking in terms of past mmos are shocked to find that their comfort zone is just not there. Try not to go there seeking what you have known before. Instead, keep an open mind, post in the appropriate forums, and you should be just fine.
"Some people doubt it's possible, others worry that it is."
You vaportrolls are really being faithful to the classic meaning of 'troll.' You just won't die!!
Waaaaah, they don't update.
Waaaah, they updated but the guy didn't sound friendly.
Waaaah.
I live in Europe, and have done so for the most part of my life. And no, his attitude is not something that you would expect from someone in his position. But maybe he's convinced that DF can survive on the current community alone. At the rate he and his "followers" are shooing others away, that'll be the way things turn out anyway.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out!
Good interview, looking forward to news in the next couple days. I liked the way he answered his questions. Apologies for hurting your feelings there Nancy!
Excellent example. *sigh*
A good community. Yeah...but only if you join the "Cult" and don't dare say anything remotely negative. So, here I am again, pointing out something that rubs some people wrong with a statement, at the same time being happy I may finally get to play the game and still, everyone gets all crazy and angry and wants people like me gone from thier game. *shrug*
Maybe Tasos should give some of the -thick- skin to his followers so they don#t explode at the slightest mention of negative things.
Just for the record:
mmorpg.com is acting like a proxy for a self-proclaimed mmo with almost nothing to show for all their high and mighty features.
Tasos claims stuff without backing it up.
Next year when there is still no release I expect some red ears here!!
I live in Europe, and have done so for the most part of my life. And no, his attitude is not something that you would expect from someone in his position. But maybe he's convinced that DF can survive on the current community alone. At the rate he and his "followers" are shooing others away, that'll be the way things turn out anyway.
MMORPG.COM "haters" and "trolls" make Tasos angry. Break through "thick skin". Tasos show them! TASOS SMASH!!
Well I can give him a little sympathy seeing he will be lynched by his own had if he and his team do not deliver on the loose schedule that he has given, he’s got about 10 days before someone puts a rope over a tree limb. So I would think he has a bit of stress.
MMORPG.COM "haters" and "trolls" make Tasos angry. Break through "thick skin". Tasos show them! TASOS SMASH!!
Well I can give him a little sympathy seeing he will be lynched by his own had if he and his team do not deliver on the loose schedule that he has given, he’s got about 10 days before someone puts a rope over a tree limb. So I would think he has a bit of stress.
You got a point there. As I've said before, this year is different from before. There is an official committment there. No more sneaking out the back way. It's now or never.
And it's about damn time.
Nice interview, no fussing and straight up. The only thing I would say is that it is way to short, but I get the 'groundwork' thing. At least this shows MMORPG.com has an open line to the devs...
I havent got unrealistic demands from an indie dev, nor am I caught up in the fan/hateboi wars, but...
I am actually starting to look forward to this game releasing. :)
Heres hoping that DF succeeds and brings diversity and passion back to the sterile, cash cow, ez mode knitting simulators that we have had pushed on us recently.
It's in everyone's interests that this game makes money, even if you personally don't want to play it.
what about you when there is a release?
He can gloat -after- the game releases and is a success (by that I do not mean racking up WoW type numbers, but gaining a growing community and supporting itself when all's said and done). Gloating now, when everything is still up in the air just makes him appear like an a$$.
Yea right, because the Darkfall DEVs are hyping the game that much... all other developers were bragging about their games months before releasing, launching markteing campaigns, downplaying other games, selling fanartikelceven before releasing some screenshots (MortalOnline anyone)... and now Aventurine is once in an interview talking good about their own game and you vaportrolls are complaning again... priceless :-)
Talk about claims without backing it up. We'll just see who's wrong, you or the developer of the game :)
what about you when there is a release?
Ah,ah. Not just a release, but a release of a game in better shape than any other game out there. Tasos again stuck his foot in his mouth with the Darkfall has been ready to go for a long time spiel.
How in the world is that badmouthing? It's not bias, it's called a legitimate question that many want answered.
That'd be like someone claiming they're slandering George W. Bush when asking him direct questions about some of the questionable decisions he's made in office the last eight years.
Ah,ah. Not just a release, but a release of a game in better shape than any other game out there. Tasos again stuck his foot in his mouth with the Darkfall has been ready to go for a long time spiel.
from what ic an tell it loosk like it has been just animations are alil off but with mroe money that can be fixed any time
you need to relax and wait and see you cant stick your foot in yoru mouth this much and and out right lieing to us. tcos still had performance issue when beta shut down. AOc had issues most games ive tested have alot of issue right before release
He can gloat -after- the game releases and is a success (by that I do not mean racking up WoW type numbers, but gaining a growing community and supporting itself when all's said and done). Gloating now, when everything is still up in the air just makes him appear like an a$$.
Yea right, because the Darkfall DEVs are hyping the game that much... all other developers were bragging about their games months before releasing, launching markteing campaigns, downplaying other games, selling fanartikelceven before releasing some screenshots (MortalOnline anyone)... and now Aventurine is once in an interview talking good about their own game and you vaportrolls are complaning again... priceless :-)
Talking good and proclaiming their game has been "ready for a long time" and is "much more ready than any other game at the stage of development" are two quite seperate things.
And learn your terms. I have never claimed DF to be vaporware. *sigh* But go on...label everything that doesn#t agree with you in one swift stroke.
*sigh* the trolls keep denying darkfalls existence till the end.
Lemme ask you something, why do you hate on DF?
The answer ''Because they never release it'' is retarded, because if you don't care about the game what's the fucking point of following it?
Tasos an echo maniac? yea right, read the post from the AoC dev against DF.
That someone can be such a baby, unbelievable.
AoC, buggy game, still tons of things not working correctly.
Hey! let's fix it by implementing DX10!!!
How were those questions all negative? They were perfectly legitimate questions that many people have been asking about the game for quite some time and I thought that Tasos did a fine job of answering them.
We are INCREDIBLY interested in Darkfall(and all new MMOs for that matter). Not to sound rude, I eman you';re entitled to your opinion, but would you have preferred I ask what his favorite color was?
Great interview!
I like this guy Tasos. These guys don't have billions of dollars, but they are realists operating within a budget. . I'm rooting for them, and I can't wait to play Darkfall when it launches.
:) If you're talking about the featurette slider, then worry not, we will be promoting this feature the same way we promote the big feature every single day on the site. It's currrently with the Art department. Once he has a chance to get it up there, it'll be there :) chillax. Yeah, I said it. I'm bringing back chillax.
Ah,ah. Not just a release, but a release of a game in better shape than any other game out there. Tasos again stuck his foot in his mouth with the Darkfall has been ready to go for a long time spiel.
from what ic an tell it loosk like it has been just animations are alil off but with mroe money that can be fixed any time
you need to relax and wait and see you cant stick your foot in yoru mouth this much and and out right lieing to us. tcos still had performance issue when beta shut down. AOc had issues most games ive tested have alot of issue right before release
Exactly. And Tasos has once again removed any sympathy or right to ask for time if Darkfall has any of those issues at release due to his over-inflated ego.
But I will wait and see. The question is, will I see a game launch in better condition than every other game out there, or will I see Tasos fall on his ass?
Oh, the anticipation.......
Look, we just ask the wquestions that our community is asking. Personally, I'd love to see Darkfall launch. Honestly, asking softball questions would have been far more biased than asking the man to respond to something that people have been saying.
How were those questions all negative? They were perfectly legitimate questions that many people have been asking about the game for quite some time and I thought that Tasos did a fine job of answering them.
We are INCREDIBLY interested in Darkfall(and all new MMOs for that matter). Not to sound rude, I eman you';re entitled to your opinion, but would you have preferred I ask what his favorite color was?
I hope it's blue.
Awesome feature!
Thank you for doing it. And thanks to Tasos for answering those questions in a good way! :)
This is getting silly.
We -all- should be happy that finally, this month, there will be a clear answer as to DF's status. Regardless of what happens, there will be a much clearer picture of things by the end of the year.
Apart from Tasos rather...unfortunate way of phrasing things in this interview, this much we should all agree on. Right?
He sounds anything but professional. I can’t wait for something to go wrong, and watch what comes out of his mouth. As far as his responces, we have heard all this before. The proof is in the pudding.
Tasos. I want to play. Hurry up!
Look, we just ask the wquestions that our community is asking. Personally, I'd love to see Darkfall launch. Honestly, asking softball questions would have been far more biased than asking the man to respond to something that people have been saying.
Yes, you probably have to ask the questions your community is asking, but have you ever considered your community might be biased (of course, every community is - wouldn't be a community if it weren't biased)?
But really: Even if the game was vaporware and just a big scam: Noone would would admit that so this questions was pointless imo.
Anyway, all in all I liked the interview but noone should really wounder why Tasos is a little "angry" about a community that always portrayed darkfall as vaporware and even tried to have it not called an MMORPG anymore.
At last, it seems the vaportrolls are finally becoming less and even though they are still wandering around here and there; with the upcoming release date, they should vanish completly.
Tasos was completely right. Why do you people WANT a game to fail? Why don't you want to increase the bar for MMORPGs and hope for the standart to get better? We can probably all agree the last years haven't been exactly the best MMORPGs in general have seen so don't you think it's time for a succesful release now?
Thank you MMORPG for letting us knows a bit more about this game. Trolls beware you’re going to have to bite your tongue, I hate when people go around talking bullpoop without reading or making the minimal effort to back up their statement.
PS. Thank you. Stradden
Just wanted to throw my 2 cents in.
Is there a lot of hate towards DF? Yes.
Could Tasos's rather blatant arogance in the thread be due to the hate? Sure, probably is.
Then my question would be, Why has Adventurine, and Tasos cultured and fueled this hate?
Every thing they release is vague, extremely vague. They dodge questions that arent about gameplay, or NDA game features, but about development cycles. They dont do any main stream media previews, and when they finally hit a mainstream outlet, they come off as curt and rude.
Sure MMORPG.com asked some tough questions... but... its nothing that most of us that are labeled as "Haters" by the fanbois have been screaming about for years.
Most of us that are skeptical about DF, have been following the game since we played UO and AC1. We were at one point in time rather hopeful about the game (at least I know I was)... but you can only fake start beta so many times, pretend to be close to launch so many times. Eventually you get to the point that you want to see some hard evidence before you get your hopes up again.
Adventurine could turn around the DF negativity TOMORROW, by letting IGN, MMORPG, Gamespy, and a few others into beta, and giving them freedom to post what they think. Information would flood out, skeptics would have their doubts either shattered or confirmed, and DF would get some much needed publicity.
Adventurine however has chosen to treat DF like the roswel incident. We know somethings going on in that dessert, but we dont know if its aliens or a weather ballon.
IF darkfall is as close to release as Tasos claims, then there is no reason to NOT get the media behind them. Its free advertising.
However, assuming everything is as good as Tasos says (which we have no third party to verify that) the only thing that disturbs me is beta. Several hundred people is less than 1000. Most MMO servers now have 2000 - 10000 people on one server. With so few people there, they have no way of stress testing the servers or their network. Even if Darkfall is as badass as we are being led to believe, we are being setup for experiencing server side lag and conectivity issues that havent been seen since the first week of Ultima Online launch back in August of 1997.
That darkfall guy sounds like an arrogant jerk, i wont play his game. roll on mortal online.
Sounds like they're currently hardware testing - stress-testing is for the OB.
Tasos was completely right. Why do you people WANT a game to fail? Why don't you want to increase the bar for MMORPGs and hope for the standart to get better? We can probably all agree the last years haven't been exactly the best MMORPGs in general have seen so don't you think it's time for a succesful release now?
It's not that people want the game to fail. It's just that some are very realistic with their expectations and for them, the writing has seemingly been on the Darkfall wall for quite some time. I'd like to see Darkfall deliver and be successful, but with everything I've seen and read and heard, I'm ready for when the game finally drops and this forum erupts upon discovering that the finished product is a far cry from what has been promised all along. I'd love to be proved wrong but the past speaks for itself with regards to indie MMO's and it hasn't been pretty.
And time after time those of us who are skeptical have been waiting for the Darkfall ship to turn around and show true promise, not just a lot of hot air and smoke up our asses. This interview was more of the same as far as I'm concerned.
actully this has been convered in journal but it wasnt full of details how but yea they found a way to do tis called npc/ai that cause just as much stress as real players. also you can packet spam the server.
but ir emeber taoss saying the server cant till the diffrence between a real player and the npc/bots/ai in game
pretty good hint how they did it
Exactly..
If the game is so amazingly ready to launch then why the hell don't they have AN OPEN BETA?
Why didn't they let in an editor from mmorpg.com?
Bunch of BS from the king of bullshitters.
Sounds like they're currently hardware testing - stress-testing is for the OB.
Forgive my ignorance as Im not a gamedev, I have some limited programing experience... but... isnt stress testing also largely hardware?
You have to make sure that your hardware AND software can support what you want. I'm not just talking the game with my fears, Im talking their network back bone, the servers themselves, how they handle outages, crashes, failures, dead drives, data backups, power outages, etc etc.
Forgive my ignorance as Im not a gamedev, I have some limited programing experience... but... isnt stress testing also largely hardware?
You have to make sure that your hardware AND software can support what you want. I'm not just talking the game with my fears, Im talking their network back bone, the servers themselves, how they handle outages, crashes, failures, dead drives, data backups, power outages, etc etc.
be smarter than the tech...
Exactly..
If the game is so amazingly ready to launch then why the hell don't they have AN OPEN BETA?
Why didn't they let in an editor from mmorpg.com?
Bunch of BS from the king of bullshitters.
lol ok yoru goign to be hurting here i hope you know that
Sorry, this I dont buy. No matter how good your AI is, you cant simulate the effects or even the issues players will find when 200,000 people hit your servers.
If you could, larger developers would be doing it.
I dont disagree that Tasos said that, I just disagree with the validity of said statement.
Sorry, this I dont buy. No matter how good your AI is, you cant simulate the effects or even the issues players will find when 200,000 people hit your servers.
If you could, larger developers would be doing it.
I dont disagree that Tasos said that, I just disagree with the validity of said statement.
thast what the profesional testers are there for
thast what the profesional testers are there for
Again, 50 - 100 hell even 500 professional testers wont stress test the servers or the hardware, or find all of the bugs and issues that 5000 players will.
thast what the profesional testers are there for
Again, 50 - 100 hell even 500 professional testers wont stress test the servers or the hardware, or find all of the bugs and issues that 5000 players will.
ok what ever i told you plain and clear and you just brush it off
It's not that people want the game to fail.
sorry, but "I can’t wait for something to go wrong" really doesn't sound all that friendly and hoping to me
actully this has been convered in journal but it wasnt full of details how but yea they found a way to do tis called npc/ai that cause just as much stress as real players. also you can packet spam the server.
but ir emeber taoss saying the server cant till the diffrence between a real player and the npc/bots/ai in game
pretty good hint how they did it
Ah, yes. The amazing Darkfall AI which not only controls all those goblins but also beta test the game.
I still get a laugh from that one.
It's not that people want the game to fail. It's just that some are very realistic with their expectations and for them, the writing has seemingly been on the Darkfall wall for quite some time. I'd like to see Darkfall deliver and be successful, but with everything I've seen and read and heard, I'm ready for when the game finally drops and this forum erupts upon discovering that the finished product is a far cry from what has been promised all along. I'd love to be proved wrong but the past speaks for itself with regards to indie MMO's and it hasn't been pretty.
And time after time those of us who are skeptical have been waiting for the Darkfall ship to turn around and show true promise, not just a lot of hot air and smoke up our asses. This interview was more of the same as far as I'm concerned.
yep. Darkfall can cure cancer, ya herd?
Again, 50 - 100 hell even 500 professional testers wont stress test the servers or the hardware, or find all of the bugs and issues that 5000 players will.
ok what ever i told you plain and clear and you just brush it off
And whatever logical argument I bring to you, in an effort to get a bit of truth and fact from a situation that plainly doesnt have any, you just copy and paste comments.
Do you really believe, that Adventurine, can hire professional testers and use AI to 100% test their game to say 80 - 90% bug free?
Do you really believe that?
Do you really think this is a good way to run a mmo?
If you answer yes to the above two, then why in the world are the Microsofts, the Sonys, the EA's in the software industry not using it?
Ah, yes. The amazing Darkfall AI which not only controls all those goblins but also beta test the game.
I still get a laugh from that one.
Cuts down on thoes pesky players making annoying bug reports. The bots dont make them, so "Its ready to go acording to our beta testers"!
STOP SPELLING AVENTURINE WITH A "D", DAMN IT!
Ah, yes. The amazing Darkfall AI which not only controls all those goblins but also beta test the game.
I still get a laugh from that one.
that isnt what tasos meant by a i helping them it really hard ot explain. let me put this in a way youll understand
bots/ai/npc cause same stress as real players. (server cant tell the diffrence from players or npcs) ai skilsl up jsut like a rela player it roams it does stuff jsu tliek a real player would it builds yada yada yada. to what extent do they help who knows but the main one i bet is stress granted theys till need to let alto of people in to double check everything. but i have seen a fake npc logged into (cough swg pre cu emulator that was causign the same stress as a real person)
Thanks for the interview. It was fun to read.
But Stradden, saying that mmorpg.com is very interested in Darkfall....?
Since when? A few weeks maybe...
Where were you all the years the trolls and haters roamed freely in this forum and your moderates simply refused to do their job even if you asked them for their help?
Very interested? Sure, if you say so...
This has been a time for development. We're not going to sink development resources into traditional marketing before Darkfall is out. We need to be able to support this game and the response is overwhelming as it is.
If they can stick to this, then they're going to have a lot of people. Here's hoping they do a good job.
Ah, yes. The amazing Darkfall AI which not only controls all those goblins but also beta test the game.
I still get a laugh from that one.
that isnt what tasos meant by a i helping them it really hard ot explain. let me put this in a way youll understand
bots/ai/npc cause same stress as real players. (server cant tell the diffrence from players or npcs) ai skilsl up jsut like a rela player it roams it does stuff jsu tliek a real player would it builds yada yada yada. to what extent do they help who knows but the main one i bet is stress granted theys till need to let alto of people in to double check everything. but i have seen a fake npc logged into (cough swg pre cu emulator that was causign the same stress as a real person)
There we go, I can argue that.
See, bots and AI cant cause the same stress for multiple reasons.
#1 they were programed by the same people who programed the game.
#2 Computers are only as good as they were programed
#3 Players do things programers never intended them to do or try, that pretty much breaks 2 and 1
#4 Players use third party apps to try and break the game and cheat...AI doesnt do that.
#5 Most importantly, Players connect from outside the building, from different regions, states, etc. AI connects internally. Its not going to stress test the network infrastructure.
#6 Players use different pcs, millions and millions of different systems, AI doesnt test that.
Thats just a few rather simple issues I can come up with that AI cant solve.... and those issues alone could cause MASSIVE problems.
everyone run away the trolls have taken over if you like the game dont even post in here, you'll get shot down for following something that interests you and not what the trolls like
Some people believe that they should know anything about the game and that they should have played it before it is released. Aventurine in my opinion is doing it the right way to work behind mostly closed doors and then release a game where the big majority doesnt know how the game looks like.
It is so easy: If you are sceptic then wait for some reviews and forget about the game till that point. If you want to buy it on the first day you have to life with it if it isnt the way you thought. Its nothing wrong with that.
What has gone wrong were all the other developers who told us so many things about there game and showed us all the shiny parts of it leaving out all the dark sides of the game making us think it would be the wtfuborgame.... does anyone want to have a 1-20 beta like AoC did??? Ehmm not really.
Let us allow them to do their work. We can still bitch around after they delivered.
so is most of forumfall and as i see it, Tasos approves of vaportroll and WoW clone bashing.
i also like how mmorpg.com managed to ask a bunch of questions that don't really matter or that we already knew. fact still remains is that we will be waiting (im)patiently for 12/31/08. (few =! few with Aventurine.)
Translation:
We have no money to properly market a game like EA, Turbine etc does so we rely on our blind faith fanboys to spam the word all over the place and rig hype rating polls on places like mmorpg.com.
But don't worry. Darkfall is A+ amazing. It'll just sell itself.
It's not that people want the game to fail.
sorry, but "I can’t wait for something to go wrong" really doesn't sound all that friendly and hoping to me
The comment wasn't aimed directly at him, otherwise I would have said he and not people. I certainly don't know Mrbloodworth's history so I can't speak for him in the least.
The Darkfall communitee has well over 200,000 members so if they even if his intention was to cater only to that communitee, the game will still thrive...
Well first of all i ppreciate the QA done here,it was direct and asked the questions WE the players WANTED to know...good job.
First point
Mr.flam said it is easy to be skeptic.Well that is for sure a fact,but i think even he himself can recognize why there is so many skeptics surrounding this game,i mean even the largest optimist would be a little skeptical here.
Second point
I really liked hisa answer,it was almost too good [lol] i hope he was sincere here.He mentions that they are more worried about the good of the game for the long haul and not just selling boxes then watch the game evapourate.This is truly IMO what MMORPG's should be about ,building a game for the long haul.
Finally a few points.There marketing stratedgy.I don't think i have EVER seen a game succeed without some decent marketing,albeit this game has kind of recieved it's own free marketing through there fanbois crowd and just enough tidbits floating around to remind people the game is out there somwhere.I do not belive him when he says they have had testing for over a year now,and that they now have hundreds of testers that quit other games to test theirs.I think he is maybe talking about internal staff that perhaps play WOW in there offtime,not a realistic view.
I have to admit i am still up i nthe airas to Mr.Flam's talk about rewriting code and re working the game.Does this mean the original game was too flawed to use?perhaps it took them a couple years to realize this and totally scrathed the original and basically re hashed the whole engine?This part was a little sketchy to me,so i couldn't gather much from it,wish they divulged more information here.
A real big part of the interview was the closing statement ! WORD in a few days?I am really surprised,however i knew all along that they MUST meet the CHRISTMAS deadline,the sales potential is just too large to mis out here.
Here is my NEW opinion...i think they have been working frantically to get this at least ready for Christmas launch.I do not believe the latter part of the game is ready,however i do believe they have a working game that can be released for now.I hope they are playing there cards right because we have all seen how fast and how much time some players spend in games.We wil lsee Power levelers[no care for content]just fly through levels fast and will test the latter parts of the game VERY quickly.This is when we will see just how ready this game is.
Translation:
We have no money to properly market a game like EA, Turbine etc does so we rely on our blind faith fanboys to spam the word all over the place and rig hype rating polls on places like mmorpg.com.
But don't worry. Darkfall is A+ amazing. It'll just sell itself.
I have no problem with DF not spending bajillions of bucks in marketing campaigns as other companies who have that kind of cash do. That in itself is not a problem and it is good that they would use their ressources solely to sink into their game.
BUT!
That does not answer why they won't take -free- advertising. Mainstream media coming to their offices or getting a copy of the game to test it. Magazines, websites and so on would -love- to test the game and "promote" it by writing articles, giving insights etc etc.
And yet, Aventurine refuses to do even that. Why? It wouldn't cost them anything, so the argument that they want to use their ressources for the development alone does not cut it.
Oh no, people are sharing their opinions and partaking in back-and-forth discussion on a forum. Close the boards before somebody gets hurt.
Since the stuff others have said hasn't sunk in, I doubt this will, but here goes anyways.
Imagine a field with a bunch of bulls in it. That field is the server, the grass the "stuff" you do in the server, and the bulls are the "characters."
If bots/ai are "testing" the server, it's the same as a bunch of bulls standing around chewing grass.
If players are testing the server, it's the same as a massive herd of bulls come charging across the grass, trample nearly all of it to death, and then the bulls all fight over what little grass is left.
AI/bots will never be able to stress test a server because the game already has thousands upon thousands of bots/ai... they're called NPCs. They follow scripts. They do what they're told, and they're INTERNAL. Players are EXTERNAL. A server needs external testing to make sure it can handle a stampeed.
How would you like to get Tasos's attitude and non committal responses if you had a billing or technical problem with Darkfall ? I'm not going to try to ascribe motives to his attitude.Just say it was not welcoming.... at all.Rather, he acted like he was being forcibly interrogated and he was unwilling to give nothing more than "name,rank ,and serial number". My response.....so be it.I have the money he wants to make his investment pay off and I'm not handing it over.There are far more company's .....small companys...that welcome potential subscriber inquiry's. NEXT.
Maybe this question has already been answered on MMORPG but I haven't seen it.
Does this game have an american publisher? Otherwise what are we call talking about the game is coming out for EU and UK... If that is still up in the air how come it didn't get addressed in your questions?
If more developers spent their time actually making their game better and delivering on promises rather than hyping up their own game, we'd have fewer Vanguard, AOC, WAR, Tabula Rasa games and more good ones.
Hopefully DF will deliver, but I don't see how people can question the decision of Aventurine to wisely spend their money on development rather than advertising.
You have $200,000USD. Do you:
A. spend it to hire 4 more skilled people to add to the development team
B. spend it on advertising in the many countries in which this game will release
Which option will actually make the game better?
200,000+ members, doesn't seem to be too bad of a game plan. Have fun with LoTR and WAR, those are alright games but just don't appeal to all of us. No need to hate on DF because it isn't a WoW clone.
Wow this thread has become meaningless just like every thread on this forum..
anyway thanks for the interview tasos and MMORPG.com I enjoyed reading it.. all of this talk about arrogance or that it was needed is pointless.. so are these flame wars.. the game will release and it will be judged simply by how good it is.. and nothing else.. none of hour hours on these or other forums will matter, none of aventurines illeged lies or promises will matter...
nothing will matter except how good the game is...
I agree with you in theory there.
The problem is DF is giving up FREE ADVERTISING!
Give IGN, MMORPG.com, Gameinformer, Gamespy ETC ETC free beta accounts, let them play and hype the game for you.
Costs them nothing.
I have no problem with DF not spending bajillions of bucks in marketing campaigns as other companies who have that kind of cash do. That in itself is not a problem and it is good that they would use their ressources solely to sink into their game.
BUT!
That does not answer why they won't take -free- advertising. Mainstream media coming to their offices or getting a copy of the game to test it. Magazines, websites and so on would -love- to test the game and "promote" it by writing articles, giving insights etc etc.
And yet, Aventurine refuses to do even that. Why? It wouldn't cost them anything, so the argument that they want to use their ressources for the development alone does not cut it.
Who says they don't? Didn't Stradden say the interview was the beginning of it? Also, they seem to have a pretty small team and releasing the game properly is just way more important. If it releases succesfully and gets good reviews after, everything else will go by itself.
I agree with you in theory there.
The problem is DF is giving up FREE ADVERTISING!
Give IGN, MMORPG.com, Gameinformer, Gamespy ETC ETC free beta accounts, let them play and hype the game for you.
Costs them nothing.
why should they get beta accounts? and they can get them during open beta
I don't think tasos can keep his word on a 08 release, but hopefully he can keep his word here on a release date in the next couple of days.
good one mmorpg.com it was a good read. darkfall might be all talk, but I think we should all consider the possibility it might just be the best game ever made. and yet lets not get too excited until it comes out, games never do live up to the hype.
Are you kidding me? He acts like a complete douche bag to the customers he is supposed to be trying to sell to and you don't want to blame him? WTH is wrong with you people?
Haha multi-account noob troll is incredibly noob.
Please stop -praising- Tasos to the high heavens. Most people would agree that he was nothing but ego-centric in this interview and acted like a prick.
Substance? Yeah. We got one number, and a vague one at that and the promise of another announcement, also in vague terms. Lucky for us, he already committed to 2008, so he is under much more pressure than during the last years when he could always say that no specific dates were ever given.
Other than that, this interview is just tasos telling everyone that Aventurine is doing things right and everyone else is doing them wrong, and Aventurine is much better than anyone else, period.
Edit: "It's so easy being a skeptic." <- This one made me laugh. The truth is, it's easy not believing anything...just as it's easy to believe -everything-.
It's trying to sort out the truth from the lies that's difficult. *smirk*
amazing how you read that one 1/2 sentence of mine as praising tasos....lol people are sure copy/pasting the canned responses now. i suppose that line i also called him a troll?
get over it....i was simply stating that there was substance in this interview
You don't know how mainstream media networks. Read any blog by reporters. They request developers to contact them first. THey don't ask devs for anything first unless they are a big company like Capcom.
Frankly you fail to see that the devs are networking with a close circle of associates and their blatant disregard for proper marketing is another factor that prevents information from getting out.
How were those questions all negative? They were perfectly legitimate questions that many people have been asking about the game for quite some time and I thought that Tasos did a fine job of answering them.
We are INCREDIBLY interested in Darkfall(and all new MMOs for that matter). Not to sound rude, I eman you';re entitled to your opinion, but would you have preferred I ask what his favorite color was?
The questions that were asked were exactly what you should have asked based on what the intentions of the interview seemed to be....a broad coverage of the general development cycle and thought process of the dev team.
You werent asking gameplay detailed questions which is fine....the fact that you got him to mention that they will be annoucning a release date over the next couple of days is causing forums everywhere to go nuts so GOOD JOB!
The questions that were asked were exactly what you should have asked based on what the intentions of the interview seemed to be....a broad coverage of the general development cycle and thought process of the dev team.
You werent asking gameplay detailed questions which is fine....the fact that you got him to mention that they will be annoucning a release date over the next couple of days is causing forums everywhere to go nuts so GOOD JOB!
XD
It's not that people want the game to fail.
sorry, but "I can’t wait for something to go wrong" really doesn't sound all that friendly and hoping to me
Something always goes wrong, people bitch about anything, read the forums here much? My point being, he wont be able to handle it in a professional manner.
We have seen this before.
For a long time, there wazx really nothing to report.
I ddin't say we were secretly pulling for darkfall or that we would pull special strings for them, I said we're very intrerested. Now that there is new information coming out and thing seem to be rolling in terms of the information the media is going to get, we are bringing more of it to you.
And just a point of fact: I don't have anything to do with the moderation here. I run content on the site. The moderators have recieved no new instructions regarding Darkfall or any other game. If you have a problem with our moderation, AS ALWAYS, I would suggest that you contact our community manager at community@mmorpg.com.
sorry, but "I can’t wait for something to go wrong" really doesn't sound all that friendly and hoping to me
Something always goes wrong, people bitch about anything, read the forums here much? My point being, he wont be able to handle it in a professional manner.
We have seen this before.
i bet he will handle it just fine
Cracks me up when he calls the skeptics trolls. They have let no one see the game, have not shown it at any shows or let anyone play it besides internal testers and he wonders why people are a bit skeptical about the game's existence? He really can't be that naive can he?
As to marketing, again, completely clueless how to market a game these days. All they had to do was show it at a few shows and let some journalists test play it. Would have marketed itself. Instead we have this deep secrecy. I think the guy is afraid someone other than his internal team might play it. Mark Tasos and Adventurine completely lost in this regard.
I hope they have great success with Darkfall, the genre needs some new blood to inject some life into the industry. Too many clone makers out there crowding out the originality that once was common in this industry.
My only question is, with this very limited testing they are doing, how does he know that the server software will support a large number active players? There is no way to simulate such except live testing and I don't see them doing much with this before release.
that isnt what tasos meant by a i helping them it really hard ot explain. let me put this in a way youll understand
bots/ai/npc cause same stress as real players. (server cant tell the diffrence from players or npcs) ai skilsl up jsut like a rela player it roams it does stuff jsu tliek a real player would it builds yada yada yada. to what extent do they help who knows but the main one i bet is stress granted theys till need to let alto of people in to double check everything. but i have seen a fake npc logged into (cough swg pre cu emulator that was causign the same stress as a real person)
There we go, I can argue that.
See, bots and AI cant cause the same stress for multiple reasons.
#1 they were programed by the same people who programed the game.
#2 Computers are only as good as they were programed
#3 Players do things programers never intended them to do or try, that pretty much breaks 2 and 1
#4 Players use third party apps to try and break the game and cheat...AI doesnt do that.
#5 Most importantly, Players connect from outside the building, from different regions, states, etc. AI connects internally. Its not going to stress test the network infrastructure.
#6 Players use different pcs, millions and millions of different systems, AI doesnt test that.
Thats just a few rather simple issues I can come up with that AI cant solve.... and those issues alone could cause MASSIVE problems.
I agree with everything you said my friend. The guy has no clue what he's talking about. But you minds well be talking to a fly, which is about the same mentality as the DF fanboys.
The questions that were asked were exactly what you should have asked based on what the intentions of the interview seemed to be....a broad coverage of the general development cycle and thought process of the dev team.
You werent asking gameplay detailed questions which is fine....the fact that you got him to mention that they will be annoucning a release date over the next couple of days is causing forums everywhere to go nuts so GOOD JOB!
I agree great job MMORPG, you got him nailed down to announcing an official release date “in a few days”, exactly what many of us wanted.
If this date is not within the year then they have delayed again, and this was just more of the usual BS we have been getting for years.
But if this date is still within the year things will get a lot more interesting.
sorry, but "I can’t wait for something to go wrong" really doesn't sound all that friendly and hoping to me
Something always goes wrong, people bitch about anything, read the forums here much? My point being, he wont be able to handle it in a professional manner.
We have seen this before.
i bet he will handle it just fine
Not according to his current forum posts on his own forums, and his response in this interview. From what i read, he can’t take criticism, and has about as much professionalism in responding to people as a 14 year old "hardcore" PvPer. You know the ones.
For a long time, there wazx really nothing to report.
I ddin't say we were secretly pulling for darkfall or that we would pull special strings for them, I said we're very intrerested. Now that there is new information coming out and thing seem to be rolling in terms of the information the media is going to get, we are bringing more of it to you.
And just a point of fact: I don't have anything to do with the moderation here. I run content on the site. The moderators have recieved no new instructions regarding Darkfall or any other game. If you have a problem with our moderation, AS ALWAYS, I would suggest that you contact our community manager at community@mmorpg.com.
LOL, Stradden - I can't remember the last time I saw you have to babysit a thread like this. Now, imagine how much time you will have to spend in the Darkfall forum after the game actually launches!
Some people said that Tasos came off egotistical... I think it was more like confident. Most of the questions were very straight forward and deserved the answer they got. I mean when a 'reporter' says 'alot of people think blah blah, ' its usually a veiled attack, almost forcing a defensive statement.
With how low people's expections are now for MMO launches, we forget how good they can be too. Anyone ever had a crash in guild wars... EVER? Hell, i get DC'ed from GW and i can reconnect and be right where i was standing. NO other major game does that, let alone MMO. Hopefully this is the kind of quality they are aiming for, Tasos sure makes it sound like it. Not just 'able' to handle the launch, not just launch with a minimum of issues. But thay want to have the stress test/larger beta go just as well.
Tasos makes it sound like they actually understand that A LOT of people's opnions of the game are formed during beta. A lot of companies don't understand that. People also feel like they have know better than the creators/publishers on how to market the game. A lot of people are also idiots.
Assuming what Tasos said is true, they are handling things great. But Mythic also said Warhammer was ready for launch a month before the game came out. They are only now fixing BASIC ui problems, among 1000 other things they fixed after launch (3-4 months after "it's ready for launch now if we wanted") A lot of people are jaded by game's being touted as the best game since sliced bread (MMO and other).... when they are worth less than the Burger King games.
Are you serious?
This is why the fans of the game get so frustrated with people like yourself. You make these bold statements as facts when you are actually 100% wrong.
Hasn't shown it an any shows?
ADW - see the official forums or the DF section of this website for links
Hasn't let anyone else seen it besides the INTERNAL testers?
How about the guys from MMORPG.it who played it and posted a review. How about all the non employees who signed up for beta and got in and have posted their thoughts? Or Gianna from the noob comic?
I SUGGEST YOU READ THIS THREAD AND CATCH YOURSELF UP TO SPEED
While I haven't been following Darkfall religious like many, I have continuously been checking it out now and again to see the status of it. It looks like a game that will revolutionize the genre once again.
Tasos - while some may argue he has an ego, or whatever else they can think of to say about him - seems like an intelligent guy, who knows exactly what's going on in the community. He knows exactly what people are like, and what's being said about the game, and even in this thread, much of what he said was happening is happening.
Now that I am finally seeing some interesting articles about Darkfall, and how close it is to release, I'll continue to follow it more closely, though I won't hype it up quite as much as others, or else I'll probably be disappointed. This looks very promising, though. I especially like how they're not going the way of Mythic, with the hype and marketing campaigns, and wasting valuable developmental resources, and are instead focusing solely on completing their product as much as possible before launch.
Also, the fact they've been testing for so long, and that everything is working, polished, and ready to go, is a good sign, assuming it's not just lies to draw people in... but really, if they were doing that, they might have a bit more of the marketing stuff going in to draw people in.. who knows?
Are you serious?
This is why the fans of the game get so frustrated with people like yourself. You make these bold statements as facts when you are actually 100% wrong.
Hasn't shown it an any shows?
ADW - see the official forums or the DF section of this website for links
Hasn't let anyone else seen it besides the INTERNAL testers?
How about the guys from MMORPG.it who played it and posted a review. How about all the non employees who signed up for beta and got in and have posted their thoughts? Or Gianna from the noob comic?
I SUGGEST YOU READ THIS THREAD AND CATCH YOURSELF UP TO SPEED
Imbant , I welcome you to the genre of MMO's, and await your lamentations when the game you have in your head, is nothing like the one advertised.
Imbant , I welcome you to the genre of MMO's, and await your lamentations when the game you have in your head, is nothing like the one advertised.
Ok you are a pessimist (sp) and im an optimist...thats fine.
But your quote is ridiculous, it just doesnt make sense for what you quoted. Very simple so try to follow...
Ozmodan made a false statement. Had nothing to do with how this game will release or whatever...talking about simple facts.
I supplied him with a link that shows what he said was factually wrong. That they have showed it at a show....
Thanks
Surprised me too. Intresting times, hopefully everone will know soon.
As an aside arrogance is seldom a useful characteriistic in a producer e.g.
Brad Mc Grind the Jolly Green Ranger
Lord 'space cadet' Brittish
Gaulte 'pinoccio' Gonard
Imbant , I welcome you to the genre of MMO's, and await your lamentations when the game you have in your head, is nothing like the one advertised.
Ok you are a pessimist (sp) and im an optimist...thats fine.
But your quote is ridiculous, it just doesnt make sense for what you quoted. Very simple so try to follow...
Ozmodan made a false statement. Had nothing to do with how this game will release or whatever...talking about simple facts.
I supplied him with a link that shows what he said was factually wrong. That they have showed it at a show....
Thanks
funny thing is im notplaying out how darkfallw ill be i need to play the game before i decide that
Imbant , I welcome you to the genre of MMO's, and await your lamentations when the game you have in your head, is nothing like the one advertised.
Ok you are a pessimist (sp) and im an optimist...thats fine.
But your quote is ridiculous, it just doesnt make sense for what you quoted. Very simple so try to follow...
Ozmodan made a false statement. Had nothing to do with how this game will release or whatever...talking about simple facts.
I supplied him with a link that shows what he said was factually wrong. That they have showed it at a show....
Thanks
I’m not a pessimist, its called wisdom. I have been around the block. Willing to be proven wrong, however that’s on Darkfall.
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Again, 50 - 100 hell even 500 professional testers wont stress test the servers or the hardware, or find all of the bugs and issues that 5000 players will.
ok what ever i told you plain and clear and you just brush it off
And whatever logical argument I bring to you, in an effort to get a bit of truth and fact from a situation that plainly doesnt have any, you just copy and paste comments.
Do you really believe, that Adventurine, can hire professional testers and use AI to 100% test their game to say 80 - 90% bug free?
Do you really believe that?
Do you really think this is a good way to run a mmo?
If you answer yes to the above two, then why in the world are the Microsofts, the Sonys, the EA's in the software industry not using it?
The same reason why quality doesn't coincide with corporation. The same reason why the almighty Ford and GM are in the proverbial shitter, begging the government for money.
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Exactly. But apparently the people with "wisdom" will read what you just wrote and completely ignore the fact that you are right, and instead mention how you clearly must be new to the genre.
Common sense always wins.
Hes not really arrogant..more defensive...because yeah, the questions were aggressive.
and he said he doesnt care that theres much hate for Darkfall, because its true that people who troll and bash the game months before release is likely to buy it so they can troll & bash the game PAST release too...so people who hate & bash the game for months in fact are AS important to them as hardcore fanboys.
I think it was Donald Trump that said "There's no such thing as bad publicity"
Games that fail fastest are those that no one is interested to even talk about.
Exactly. But apparently the people with "wisdom" will read what you just wrote and completely ignore the fact that you are right, and instead mention how you clearly must be new to the genre.
Common sense always wins.
The only thing that will end the skepticism, is proof.
I don’t care how many behind-closed door showings they have given of the game, every single bit of it was sanitized.
Ok you are a pessimist (sp) and im an optimist...thats fine.
But your quote is ridiculous, it just doesnt make sense for what you quoted. Very simple so try to follow...
Ozmodan made a false statement. Had nothing to do with how this game will release or whatever...talking about simple facts.
I supplied him with a link that shows what he said was factually wrong. That they have showed it at a show....
Thanks
I’m not a pessimist, its called wisdom. I have been around the block. Willing to be proven wrong, however that’s on Darkfall.
lol MrBloodWorth i find it funny how you think your always right, its only a game y get worked up about it? y do u want a company to fail when the game could be great? and dont tell me it has something to do with the fanboys if you dont like them dont come into the darkfall thread, and if they post wherever your cave is tell them to get the hell out, easy as that
With the amount of crap Tasos and Aventurine have taken over the past 5 years from the vaportrolls and non-believers, I think he was quite civil. I'm very excited for the game, I hope its awesome.
I have no problem with DF not spending bajillions of bucks in marketing campaigns as other companies who have that kind of cash do. That in itself is not a problem and it is good that they would use their ressources solely to sink into their game.
BUT!
That does not answer why they won't take -free- advertising. Mainstream media coming to their offices or getting a copy of the game to test it. Magazines, websites and so on would -love- to test the game and "promote" it by writing articles, giving insights etc etc.
And yet, Aventurine refuses to do even that. Why? It wouldn't cost them anything, so the argument that they want to use their ressources for the development alone does not cut it.
You're basically asking, 'Why don't they just open the doors for the media to come in and say what they want?" Well, the answer to that is pretty simple: Most big-time reviewers are simply paid off, you would have to be a little short sighted to not see it. Sites that give the new World of Warcraft expansion a near 10. A near 10 for what? A handful of new content that is the same as prior updates, in a different setting? That's hardly worth anything close to a 10.
Game sites giving Age of Conan a 9.5 - 10... is it worthy of that? Maybe, the game is entertaining but falls really short of whats expected in next-gen MMOs these days. These companies pour millions and millions into marketing and they just railroad these reviewers. It's just automatic ..
They're paid off most of the time, either by the literal sense or just by getting railroaded by the hype train.
They don't let them in because they'll let the game speak for itself. As it should be. Last time I checked, they have not taken any money from you, am I right? No pre-orders to walk you out on the tip of the plank. So just wait, sit it out and you will see.
Ok you are a pessimist (sp) and im an optimist...thats fine.
But your quote is ridiculous, it just doesnt make sense for what you quoted. Very simple so try to follow...
Ozmodan made a false statement. Had nothing to do with how this game will release or whatever...talking about simple facts.
I supplied him with a link that shows what he said was factually wrong. That they have showed it at a show....
Thanks
I’m not a pessimist, its called wisdom. I have been around the block. Willing to be proven wrong, however that’s on Darkfall.
lol MrBloodWorth i find it funny how you think your always right, its only a game y get worked up about it? y do u want a company to fail when the game could be great? and dont tell me it has something to do with the fanboys if you dont like them dont come into the darkfall thread, and if they post wherever your cave is tell them to get the hell out, easy as that
I don't want anyone to fail. I am not that simple. And I usually am right.
I'm trying to help people here.
With the amount of crap Tasos and Aventurine have taken over the past 5 years from the vaportrolls and non-believers, I think he was quite civil. I'm very excited for the game, I hope its awesome.
This.
DF offers something that really upsets people and has some legit scared about the game doing well. Jealousy, fear, whatever you want to call it but you can't deny that some people troll because of those reasons. A few years back he commented on people who would send out emails, impersonate devs, all to put down DF.
Fun thing is that they are professional enough to understand that these type of people aren't worth worrying about and no one really takes them seriously so they dont cater to them.
They have a gameplan and they are sticking to it. Guess what....it is WORKING!
One of the most discussed games right now on this forum with little to no marketing done by Aventurine.
Unlike the WARs and AoCs of the genre who hyped the game up so much and suffered because of the quality of their game. If they game is good...it will sell.
These right here were my favorite comments/replies...
"MMORPG.com:
Can you tell us, at this time, how many players are in the current incarnation of beta?
Tasos Flambouras:
It amazes people that we don't have leaks yet. Our explanation is that people in our beta are serious about our game and they like it. You don't leak information easily unless you don't care, you're disappointed, or feel let down. Our testers seem to care about our game. Most of them have left MMOs they just started playing and are invested in our beta. We find that amazing. We can't talk about our total number of selected testers to date, but several hundred testers are in the game as I write this. We're adding more every day, and their numbers will go up considerably in the days to come.
MMORPG.com:
There is a great deal of confusion surrounding Darkfall's beta and release schedule. Could you clarify any of this for us?
Tasos Flambouras:
We've been trying to get our partners up to speed and there will be an official statement in the next few days announcing a release date for the game. This should clear things up."
Hilarious. Stradden asks how many people are in beta, and the dodger of questions answers with "We have no leaks because our testers are serious".
I think this interview could have been with any given fanbois on this forum and gotten the same repsonses. Completely dodging questions and responding to things that weren't asked.
I also like how he claimed the game was only in development since 2003, when they were announcing internal beta in 2004.
Nice job on the questioning though Stradden, good to see some aggressiveness.
Are you serious?
This is why the fans of the game get so frustrated with people like yourself. You make these bold statements as facts when you are actually 100% wrong.
Hasn't shown it an any shows?
ADW - see the official forums or the DF section of this website for links
Hasn't let anyone else seen it besides the INTERNAL testers?
How about the guys from MMORPG.it who played it and posted a review. How about all the non employees who signed up for beta and got in and have posted their thoughts? Or Gianna from the noob comic?
I SUGGEST YOU READ THIS THREAD AND CATCH YOURSELF UP TO SPEED
Well you can continue denying reality and live in your fantasy world, but the rest of us are satisfied with the facts as I stated. There has never been a major review of the game by any known journalist and even at the Athens show only certain screened people were allowed to play it. That validates my comments in spades.
Tasos comes off very arrogant in his interview and that is about the worst thing you can do trying to get others to play your game.
I hope Adventurine does pull it off, but let's face it the success rate of small indie developers is probably in the single digits. We could all use another success story like Eve.
Oh and on a 2nd note. Give the state of AI and today's technology, it is not possible to simulate how a server will handle live accounts accessing it by using bot software. About all you end up doing with such a test is to see how the server handles a host of message events, you won't be able to actually incur much of a processing load on the server that way.
lol, dude, seriously, wtf? So you really think this is just another part of a 7 year conspiracy to rig up fake screenshots, do fake interviews, a fake convention recently in Europe showing a fake game that was playable, fake beta signups and producing a fake gameplay video?
Classic.
Well a couple weeks left in 08 guess we will see if he is or isn't full of shit.
Thanks Taso and Mmoprg.com for the interview. Taso seems fine to me. They are doing something different and they bleive in it. I just wish I had the knowledge experance and money to do the same. GOD BLESS them we need this kinda maverick spirit to get away from Clone MMO's NO MORE CRAPPY VERSIONS OF EQ WITH GHETTO PVP.
YES ONLY UO CLONES!!
All games are vaporware until they become available to the public and Darkfall is no exception. When it becomes available, then it will no longer be considered vaporware. On another note...don't think Darkfall can't exist(I know it can now) because after playing a game like Mount and Blade, which by the way was an indie game created by a husband and wife team from Turkey and a few others, and it became a reality and a really good game at that. Who knows, maybe DF is all its cracked up to be...right now, again we have to take Tasos at his word and wait the "few" days for a release date. That is all any of us can do.
Nice interview. Not too much "crispy" information but we had some nice answers.
Thanks!!
Exactly. But apparently the people with "wisdom" will read what you just wrote and completely ignore the fact that you are right, and instead mention how you clearly must be new to the genre.
Common sense always wins.
The only thing that will end the skepticism, is proof.
I don’t care how many behind-closed door showings they have given of the game, every single bit of it was sanitized.
now you are comming of as plain ignorant, just admit to that you where wrong.
LOL, this thread is jumping up by the page faster than I could read them. (edit, added yet another page just in the time it took me to type this)
But I agree with you. The tone of the interview was aggressive and probing, and Tasos reacted defensively and with a bit of arrogance. Means he's a real person after all. Got so tired of those emotionless reports he's published. I now believe that Tasos is real.
If MMORPG.com had pulled any punches, or gone soft, people would be screaming.
Also, if you really think his answers were that offensive, dismissive, egotisical, what have you, then I'm going to put forth that you aren't really the right material to play Darkfall.
Seriously, this is a game of attitude and arrogance, and you'd better have a bit of both (and be able to take it as well as dish it out) to really enjoy the game. If not, DF is just not your game. (we have very similar parallels in EVE)
This is not a game for your children, wife, girlfriend (boyfriend) to play casually with you, its a game where many players are going to be playing for blood and honor, (and just plain because the love to gank) and thats what its all about, the freedom to build your own world, or to tear it down if you like.
I want to thank Stradden and the staff of MMORPG.com for arranging this interview, and coming up with firm facts like the number of people in beta ( I was right, all you people who accused me of trolling yesterday) and that they are ready to announce a release date. (in a matter of days, not months)
Finally I've read something from a new source that I trust and I'm willing to give Tasos a break about his attitude and a chance to deliver on his promises.
In the end, I want DF to succeed, so might as well see if they make good on the promises.
At least until next month.
Sweet jebus man, you've got to start somewhere.
We were told that an announcement was coming in the next few days. This is called laying the groundwork for more in-depth coverage.
Good job finally getting that interview. I'm glad you were able to get some sort of news about a relase date out of him. I guess we will all know in a few days. Props dude.
Good points.
I some how feel Darkfall will be less buggy because they know it can't be in order to be successful. It is nice when a game company is not getting forced into releasing by publishers.
I do know as a WARHAMMER Beta tester they would come down very hard on critical posts. No one was allowed to give overal feedback for example. Beta forum natzi modding I feel does not help a game company understand the players.
Well you can continue denying reality and live in your fantasy world, but the rest of us are satisfied with the facts as I stated. There has never been a major review of the game by any known journalist and even at the Athens show only certain screened people were allowed to play it. That validates my comments in spades.
Tasos comes off very arrogant in his interview and that is about the worst thing you can do trying to get others to play your game.
I hope Adventurine does pull it off, but let's face it the success rate of small indie developers is probably in the single digits. We could all use another success story like Eve.
Oh and on a 2nd note. Give the state of AI and today's technology, it is not possible to simulate how a server will handle live accounts accessing it by using bot software. About all you end up doing with such a test is to see how the server handles a host of message events, you won't be able to actually incur much of a processing load on the server that way.
Oh.. how stupid you are going to look. Come of your high horses, before you fall flat on your face.
The only thing that will end the skepticism, is proof.
I don’t care how many behind-closed door showings they have given of the game, every single bit of it was sanitized.
now you are comming of as plain ignorant, just admit to that you where wrong.
For that I would have to be wrong, and you would have to be able to understand what i am saying, instead of assuming things, and flaming. Try reading.
Enjoy darkfall.
LOL, this thread is jumping up by the page faster than I could read them. (edit, added yet another page just in the time it took me to type this)
But I agree with you. The tone of the interview was aggressive and probing, and Tasos reacted defensively and with a bit of arrogance. Means he's a real person after all. Got so tired of those emotionless reports he's published. I now believe that Tasos is real.
If MMORPG.com had pulled any punches, or gone soft, people would be screaming.
Also, if you really think his answers were that offensive, dismissive, egotisical, what have you, then I'm going to put forth that you aren't really the right material to play Darkfall.
Seriously, this is a game of attitude and arrogance, and you'd better have a bit of both (and be able to take it as well as dish it out) to really enjoy the game. If not, DF is just not your game. (we have very similar parallels in EVE)
This is not a game for your children, wife, girlfriend (boyfriend) to play casually with you, its a game where many players are going to be playing for blood and honor, (and just plain because the love to gank) and thats what its all about, the freedom to build your own world, or to tear it down if you like.
I want to thank Stradden and the staff of MMORPG.com for arranging this interview, and coming up with firm facts like the number of people in beta ( I was right, all you people who accused me of trolling yesterday) and that they are ready to announce a release date. (in a matter of days, not months)
Finally I've read something from a new source that I trust and I'm willing to give Tasos a break about his attitude and a chance to deliver on his promises.
In the end, I want DF to succeed, so might as well see if they make good on the promises.
At least until next month.
very nice post. it seems like nothing can please the rabid people on here, they are the type of people that dont understand the idea of faith and cant believe in anything unless its right in front of them
That’s called reality. I am trying to help here. Because the backlash of crying is going to resound for at least 6 months.
The only thing that will end the skepticism, is proof.
I don’t care how many behind-closed door showings they have given of the game, every single bit of it was sanitized.
now you are comming of as plain ignorant, just admit to that you where wrong.
For that I would have to be wrong, and you would have to be able to understand what i am saying, instead of assuming things, and flaming. Try reading.
Enjoy darkfall.
I did read, you should try to do that too. Examples where precented to you of all those things you listed as missing..
Enjoy Life
Heh, yeah, and the funny thing is when they do finally get something in front of them, they shit all over it as well. I guess you just can't please some people.
Well you can continue denying reality and live in your fantasy world, but the rest of us are satisfied with the facts as I stated. There has never been a major review of the game by any known journalist and even at the Athens show only certain screened people were allowed to play it. That validates my comments in spades.
Tasos comes off very arrogant in his interview and that is about the worst thing you can do trying to get others to play your game.
I hope Adventurine does pull it off, but let's face it the success rate of small indie developers is probably in the single digits. We could all use another success story like Eve.
Oh and on a 2nd note. Give the state of AI and today's technology, it is not possible to simulate how a server will handle live accounts accessing it by using bot software. About all you end up doing with such a test is to see how the server handles a host of message events, you won't be able to actually incur much of a processing load on the server that way.
Right more dancing.
Sorry but keep it simple.
You said it had never been shown at a show/convention/etc.
But it has. I gave you proof. This last response proves it without you growing up and admitting you were wrong.
Thats is all.
That’s called reality. I am trying to help here. Because the backlash of crying is going to resound for at least 6 months.
It's no wonder that you have 2000+ posts when you troll threads with a bunch of worthless one-liners like this. Trust me, you are not "helping" anyone.
On topic... Thank you, Stradden. Those were probably the best questions that one could have asked. The interview was a great read.
now you are comming of as plain ignorant, just admit to that you where wrong.
For that I would have to be wrong, and you would have to be able to understand what i am saying, instead of assuming things, and flaming. Try reading.
Enjoy darkfall.
I did read, you should try to do that too. Examples where precented to you of all those things you listed as missing..
Enjoy Life
Apparently you didn’t, because I didn’t say anything was missing.
Hay now, my one liners are good.
Take a look and see how well forum posters here really track a conversation. Why should I waste my time on more detailed postings (and i do), it wont matter anyway. Good example of it right here in this thread.
I have to post to the audience.
Great interview...thanks!
Decent read. Sadly I stopped reading once he used the word "troll". When developers start using words like this, it only shows how immature they can be. It boils down to name calling, which a developer should never do. Oh well though right, as he states, the game is ready for launch right now. I seriously can't wait for this dam thing to finally drop. It's going to be a field day, .....................
Exactly. But apparently the people with "wisdom" will read what you just wrote and completely ignore the fact that you are right, and instead mention how you clearly must be new to the genre.
Common sense always wins.
The only thing that will end the skepticism, is proof.
I don’t care how many behind-closed door showings they have given of the game, every single bit of it was sanitized.
Seems like you're forgetting the Athen's Digital Week which was open to the public - we have the video where (I believe) Kjetil is playing Darkfall life in front of a public audience.
Ah, others seeing my point. Taco will explode the moment people start playing, and release its not they game they had in there head. See hype can be good in the manner, of keeping expectations low. They have been playing to the player created hype for a long long time. Going to be some disappointed fans.
I have seen his kind before. I guess noone recalls last yers little epic flame war he created, and fuled?
I don't think they were aggressive questions at all... They were perfectly reasonable questions that Tasos responded to in a reasonable way.
btw lol @ anyone suggesting that DF's marketing strategy is amateurish or bad....
Look at how fast this news annoucnement has exploded already within a few hours compared to annoucnements of other games in development.
Like it or not people...this game is HIGHLY discussed and is well known to pretty much everyone in the MMO community who visits sites like this or plays PVP games.
What do you think these so-called trolls have been doing for the past several years? Oh yeah thats right, being combative douches doing everything they can to belittle Tasos and the game. Honestly if you can't stand the usage of the word "troll" by another human being, then I'd advise against ever playing a game like Darkfall. The questions posed in the interview were direct and confrontational, and I think Tasos handled them well. Its been proven time and time again that there is NOTHING that can be done to satisfy the naysayers. The game could be a smash hit with a million subscribers, and they'll still come on here with the "cool to hate" attitude and say it sucks, lol.
That’s called reality. I am trying to help here. Because the backlash of crying is going to resound for at least 6 months.
so y do u fly? can u see youself landing safetly? no we cant look forward in time to see we put FAITH in the pilots that they will do their job. im doing the same thing with aventurine. if it sucks then oh well, but if its good ill play it. see where im going? its a videogame, only fifty dollars plus 15 a month, not too expensive, but u make such a big deal outta it
Heh, yeah, and the funny thing is when they do finally get something in front of them, they shit all over it as well. I guess you just can't please some people.
lol true
I have no problem with DF not spending bajillions of bucks in marketing campaigns as other companies who have that kind of cash do. That in itself is not a problem and it is good that they would use their ressources solely to sink into their game.
BUT!
That does not answer why they won't take -free- advertising. Mainstream media coming to their offices or getting a copy of the game to test it. Magazines, websites and so on would -love- to test the game and "promote" it by writing articles, giving insights etc etc.
And yet, Aventurine refuses to do even that. Why? It wouldn't cost them anything, so the argument that they want to use their ressources for the development alone does not cut it.
You're basically asking, 'Why don't they just open the doors for the media to come in and say what they want?" Well, the answer to that is pretty simple: Most big-time reviewers are simply paid off, you would have to be a little short sighted to not see it. Sites that give the new World of Warcraft expansion a near 10. A near 10 for what? A handful of new content that is the same as prior updates, in a different setting? That's hardly worth anything close to a 10.
Game sites giving Age of Conan a 9.5 - 10... is it worthy of that? Maybe, the game is entertaining but falls really short of whats expected in next-gen MMOs these days. These companies pour millions and millions into marketing and they just railroad these reviewers. It's just automatic ..
They're paid off most of the time, either by the literal sense or just by getting railroaded by the hype train.
They don't let them in because they'll let the game speak for itself. As it should be. Last time I checked, they have not taken any money from you, am I right? No pre-orders to walk you out on the tip of the plank. So just wait, sit it out and you will see.
So not only are you accusing journalists of being bought for good reviews, but you're also accusing us of being paid off to not say good things about other games.
I'm not saying the media hasn't been wrong abut stuff. Hell, I'm not saying I wasn't wrong about stuff, but take off the tinfoit hat. That's just ludacris.
so y do u fly? can u see youself landing safetly? no we cant look forward in time to see we put FAITH in the pilots that they will do their job. im doing the same thing with aventurine. if it sucks then oh well, but if its good ill play it. see where im going? its a videogame, only fifty dollars plus 15 a month, not too expensive, but u make such a big deal outta it
I’m not making a big deal about anything. You must have me confused with someone else. Personally I’m going to watch, wait, and maybe check it out if it survives past the 6th month mark, and taco hasn’t screamed and flamed the player base away.
lol true
Hay look, i all ready said that. Amazing.
Everytime I read another developers answers to questions about their game, all I can see in my head is...
Nick Burns - Your Company's Computer Geek
So much attitude, so high strung, and so on the money!
I guess we don't all hang on your every word, sorry. /shrug
Besides, I can't take a person seriously who is arrogant enough to quote themselves in his/her own signature, lol. You really love to hear you talk, don't you? Thats neat. Keep on truckin buddy. 
Computer GUY
But yea lol one of my favorite characters on SNL
That’s called reality. I am trying to help here. Because the backlash of crying is going to resound for at least 6 months.
That's not called reality, that's called a double standard. You take plenty of things as true by word of mouth without direct observation. You choose to be a skeptic about this even though there are plenty of accounts to suggest otherwise.
I guess we don't all hang on your every word, sorry. /shrug
Besides, I can't take a person seriously who is arrogant enough to quote themselves in his/her own signature, lol. You really love to hear you talk, don't you? Thats neat. Keep on truckin buddy. 
Its funny, becouse the quote applyes to myself.
Wow.. I mean just wow. I don't know if Tasos is a good developer (hopefully he and his team are). But one thing I know for sure is he's arrogant. Maybe he's not the best person to be doing PR for the game.
I just had to make some comments on some of what he said. Comments In GREEN!
PS: Anything that I don't comment on I don't have a problem with.
"Darkfall could launch today. It's more ready for launch than most, if not all of the MMORPG titles at the same stage that I've personally sampled and it has been for quite some time."
This answer struck me as a little odd. If it's more ready to launch then all of the MMORPG titles that he has sampled (I'm assuming a lot) then why hasn't it released yet? Why hasn't a release date been announced (I know, I know, coming in a few days)? Why hasn't open beta started?
It makes no sense for him to say this when all of the evidence is to the contrary.
"So long compared to what? We've been in development since 2003."
Been in development since 2003 huh? Ok. Well either this is a lie, or this is a lie:
Posted by Tasos on the Official Darkfall Forums on 9-30-2003.
"We've been in a tech beta since September 2nd, testing, working on bugs, tuning and tweaking, adding content, and building the world... ...Overall we're very happy with the progress, we don't have any serious problems, and we believe that we'll be able to deliver an advanced beta build for playtesting before long. [truncated]
So which is the lie?
"So I would say that our development time is consistent with the making a breakthrough game, all the reusable technology to run it, and limited resources to do so. It's a long time, sure...but not for what we've achieved."
This statement comes off as very arrogant. It is not the developer who decides what is a breakthrough game, or what they have achieved. It is the players. Right now, Aventurine has not released anything breakthrough and they have achieved nothing in the realm of MMO games. These things can only happen after release.
"The MMO community is buzzing, and then you ask why we don't have marketing. It's somewhat of an oxymoron."
No. It's not an oxymoron at all. Hype is not advertising. No one outside of these gaming forums and our friends know what Darkfall is. Advertising is used to highlight the game to people that wouldn't normally see it. Again, a very arrogant statement.
"This has been a time for development. We're not going to sink development resources into traditional marketing before Darkfall is out. We need to be able to support this game and the response is overwhelming as it is."
I agree with that and I wish the game great success. Wasn't Aventurine's goal for Darkfall around 100k total subscribers? Or less? Seems like it will hit that with no problem to me, even without traditional advertising.
"What would a traditional marketing campaign achieve? To help sell some more game boxes? This is not a single player game. When you sell an MMO you're in it for the long-haul. The best marketing for an MMO is having a great game that retains your players."
That's a great outlook to have. But I would disagree that a traditional marketing campaign is useless. It may not be needed for Darkfall, but traditional marketing is still the best way to expose your product to a wide customer base. Denouncing it does not make it less true.
"You don't leak information easily unless you don't care, you're disappointed, or feel let down."
This is completely untrue. There are plenty of beta leaks from other games that started with the sentence "This is the most fun I have had in a game." People leak beta information for various reasons, not just because they are disappointed in the game. I would actually say most people who are disappointed in a game don't bother to leak information, other than saying, "This game sucks". Most of the time it's the people that really enjoy the game and want to play it that leak the detailed information. Look at Aion.
"We know that even large game development studios keep testing as an afterthought, if that."
Very arrogant repsonse, again. What examples does he have of this to back up his statement? I can't think of one development studio that would fit this description
"the game is already tested. We need the playtesters mostly for extra gameplay feedback and to test hardware configurations."
This is good to hear. I hope it's true.
YES ONLY UO CLONES!!
What do you think these so-called trolls have been doing for the past several years? Oh yeah thats right, being combative douches doing everything they can to belittle Tasos and the game. Honestly if you can't stand the usage of the word "troll" by another human being, then I'd advise against ever playing a game like Darkfall. The questions posed in the interview were direct and confrontational, and I think Tasos handled them well. Its been proven time and time again that there is NOTHING that can be done to satisfy the naysayers. The game could be a smash hit with a million subscribers, and they'll still come on here with the "cool to hate" attitude and say it sucks, lol.
You obviously don't get it, do you? So what if people bash him or his game to hell. For him to use an ignorant word to portray these people is bad on his part because he is the voice behind the game. It has nothing to do with him being human. I'm human and use such words, but I wouldn't if I was backing a product. I figured he would want to sell his product to everyone, my bad. I know alot of people will see this and just browse over it, but as he also stated, these people are going to end up buying his game. So why not welcome them, instead of name calling just so they keep on bashing his game. He's not going to like the fact that this game will end up in the same scenario's as Age of Conan and WAR, subs that decline rapidly. Then what, he going to bash people who enjoy the game also.
Him and Mark Jacobs are in the same boat. They both need to keep thier mouths shut. Sadly, there is no one to over see what they put out to thier community, so crap like this filters through.
Now that I have said that, no beta leaks, eh?
Comments in red.
You guys think they need marketing?
Just trying to contribute a little bit, and move away from the silliness of some of the posters.
A.I. Testing
Not saying that I agree with the whole bot / A.I. testing, not exactly at least, but always the first network tests on a new network software is done on emulators with bots.
Stress test / Hardware Beta testing
Stress tests are done to see what your own hardware and software can handle. Hardware testing is done to see how much compatible is your software with your testers' computers.
Arrogance / Honesty-Confidence
This is one of the most reduntant matters to discuss on the subject. Of course most of the skeptics will take Tasos' answers as arrogant, and the fanboys as honest-confident. I don't see the point in discussing this at all.
Honestly I am very sad reading most of what people write to condemn this game... and surprise at how people can be "in need" of attention.
Actually scrolling again between the post you see that the person that write bad stuff are always the same but they need to do multiply post in a continuous need of attention.
Being pessimistic is the ultimate win you can’t be wrong if everything go down south you are happy because you were right if the game is cool everybody ignore and forget you and you can enjoy yourself with them the game…
So easy… I am tempted… lot better then hope everything work and then being proved wrong and suffer for lost of a dream… I guess it is time… it is the time for everybody to agree with the pessimistic bullshit and all together (us that believe in Darkfall) agree with them we will make them happy is Christmas time for God sake lets make them happy (they probably need it).
Yes this is gonna fail hard so hard that probably they will erase Greece from the map. It's obvious look at the *insert one of the million of good reason any expert doomer in this site can suggest you*
If you wait Drakfall if you hope everything is going to be good just keep it in your heart stop posting here just let it go...
You're basically asking, 'Why don't they just open the doors for the media to come in and say what they want?" Well, the answer to that is pretty simple: Most big-time reviewers are simply paid off, you would have to be a little short sighted to not see it. Sites that give the new World of Warcraft expansion a near 10. A near 10 for what? A handful of new content that is the same as prior updates, in a different setting? That's hardly worth anything close to a 10.
Game sites giving Age of Conan a 9.5 - 10... is it worthy of that? Maybe, the game is entertaining but falls really short of whats expected in next-gen MMOs these days. These companies pour millions and millions into marketing and they just railroad these reviewers. It's just automatic ..
They're paid off most of the time, either by the literal sense or just by getting railroaded by the hype train.
They don't let them in because they'll let the game speak for itself. As it should be. Last time I checked, they have not taken any money from you, am I right? No pre-orders to walk you out on the tip of the plank. So just wait, sit it out and you will see.
So not only are you accusing journalists of being bought for good reviews, but you're also accusing us of being paid off to not say good things about other games.
I'm not saying the media hasn't been wrong abut stuff. Hell, I'm not saying I wasn't wrong about stuff, but take off the tinfoit hat. That's just ludacris.
Well, I'm talking about certain sites and organizations that will take a questionable game, that has a marketing budget nearly equal to its development and then putting a spin on it like.. "Get this game, because we said so."
I come to mmorpg.com for the unconditional community and up-to-date news. I think traditional game reviewing, (more pronounced for MMOs at least) is starting to become a thing of the past.
Clearly no one is watching this game and Aventurine fails at marketing their product.
Well, a release date within the next few days can't be a bad thing. As for the confidence/arrogance 'issue' - you people haven't read some of his earlier dev blogs, obviously. ;P
Hopefully we'll see some more info on MMORPG.com in the future, failing that at least we found out that they're ready for launch, so the game shouldn't be delayed (as some feared it might). Good good.
Wow...this is still going on? Let it rest. It's all gonna be decided by the end of this month, one way or another.Either we will be playing a free version of DF to see if it suits us, alternatively an open Beta, or we will get an excuse and a postpone of the launch and everything else.
Either way, things will be decided and it's just one more month. The fanatics will continue to claim everyone who has a shred of negative thought about the game is a troll and the trolls will continue to cry vaporware until the game is actually released.
For those few who try to have decent discussions it will be a blessing, because things will be much clearer by the end of this month, one way or another.
All I have to say is, thank you to whoevers idea it was to do that interview, finally some information and light on DFO. some very exciting news.
chew on that haters. like the dude from the interview pretty much said, love it or hate, its still an obsession with ya'll.
[quote][i]Originally posted by LukePlumber[/i] [quote]uhm... Funcom? And that's what Tasos means I believe. After all: Before AoC's release, the AoC-DEVs talked about how darkfall will never deliver its promises (the ferrari-metapher, you know ;-)), etc. And even WoW was pretty bugged at release.[/quote] [/quote]
Wow, I didn't realize Funcom went that far.
We should turn this thread into something fun. Ok look I am going to start a little poem and you guys add another line to it!
There once was an interview with the Great Tasos of old....
In my opinion this game will not have as many subscribers as wow has, because wow is a game that can satisfy a 11 y.o child and a more mature gamer witch is familiar with it's lore from the strategy game ...
DF is going to be more like EvE , small numbers in subscriptions , but loayl dedicated and most importantly MATURE playerbase that will make gameing expiriance even better.
Tasos have prooven , word of mouth rocks! :)
I wonder what will happen to all the trolls after the release ... mass suicide ?
In which many a troll's skepticism was hoped to be consoled...
His address to the community at large was bold...
Comments in green... It's like Christmas!
Look at AoC, long beta...100 million dollars used, hundred more developers, vast marketing campaign: flop
WAR: Long beta, 100 million dollars used, hundred more developers, vast marketing campaign: flop
Darkfall: less than 50 developers, 10 million euros used, minimal marketing campaign....they arent arrogant when they say they arent competing with big players...with 10 million euros used on development, they can keep the servers running and developers paid with 10000 or so active subscribers.
its not gonna be a mainstream game, instead of competing with mainstream games, it will be right there with smaller titles and do well against them...it will be competive against smaller titles and find its place in the scene but no, it will not be a wow-killer or killer of any other game that has got hundreds of millions put in it.
Thats my realistic stance on things.
It will be a niche game and it will be succesful, another EvE maybe even bigger.
Others MMO compagnies will try to copy what they are doing for sure.
There once was an interview with the Great Tasos of old....
In which many a troll's skepticism was hoped to be consoled...
His address to the community at large was bold...
But some still wondered if not three,two, or even one copy would be sold....
In this address Tasos said "The game could launch today!".......
A declaration some called nothing more than clever wordplay...
Funcom only responded to Tasos' assinine statements about AoC. He's the one that went too far.
Anyways, I'm surprised by this interview. For once Tasos actually had a reason to open his mouth. I like how he said he plans on marketting the game by giving a good product and retaining the userbase. That's what all MMO makers should have been doing for years. Whether or not DF flops, at least he'll have that much going for him.
Tasos = 1
DF vaporware trolls = wtfpwn'd + schoolgirl wedgied + lunch money looted!
yep its awsome isnt it.
There are a lot of valid skeptics here making good points that back up their arguements...many of which i agree with and share the same skepticism.
But there are also a lot more flat out trolls who dont realize that with every lol post they make they are only confirming what Tasos said and making him look that much wiser.
Keep arguing haters....just helping them promote the game to the people who actually have common sense!
Comments in yellow, like bananas.
Well that happened months ago...but some still tried to be stubborn and didnt accept it <3
Also id hate to think what they would have said about this interview if it as on any site besides this one. Probably would have just called it fake lol.
Ohhhh they are a funny bunch them trolls.
Green again.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out!
Good interview, looking forward to news in the next couple days. I liked the way he answered his questions. Apologies for hurting your feelings there Nancy!
Excellent example. *sigh*
A good community. Yeah...but only if you join the "Cult" and don't dare say anything remotely negative. So, here I am again, pointing out something that rubs some people wrong with a statement, at the same time being happy I may finally get to play the game and still, everyone gets all crazy and angry and wants people like me gone from thier game. *shrug*
Maybe Tasos should give some of the -thick- skin to his followers so they don#t explode at the slightest mention of negative things.
A couple things here.
First off, I realize you're not a native English speaker so let me explain to you some words. When someone says 'Several' that means at least three. So if there are 'several hundred people playing the game right now' interpret that as 'at least 300'. Not 'about 100' like you said.
a hundred = one hundred
a couple hundred = two hundred
Several hundred = three to five hundred
The second thing is that 99.99995 of gamers could give a rat's ass about how nice the president of a company is. How nice is the head of Blizzard, or their parent company or the CEO of EA? You don't know, do you? I care about how good the game is going to be, and what level of customer service they provide. There's a word for people who crticize a game because the head of the company is defensive when asked some clearly atagonistic questions, the word is 'troll'.
Imagine going up to the head of BMW and saying 'I have seen pictures of your new car, and have read on line people who have driven it at the test track, but many people think that you haven't even made it, it is just CGI. What do you say to those people?' What's he going to say 'Thank you so much for asking that wonderful question.'?
Oh CMON' people, I mean you asked for some publicity other than friends and Italians, HERE IT IS! You asked for an interview "calling DF out" from mmorpg, and the questions given were quite blunt.
Are some of the answers vague? Sure.
Does Tasos come off as a prick? Sure. (I actually didn't think he was acting like a prick, but I believe the game exists, to those who think the game is a farce, yeah i can see how you think he was being a prick... but the game exists sooooo....)
But that's not what you asked for, you can ask for it now (i doubt Tasos will stop being a prick for you though...) but you first must concede that DF gave you what you asked for.
Love the confidence from Tasos! Cant wait, DF is almost here!!!!!!!!!!
Don't let the door hit you on the way out!
Good interview, looking forward to news in the next couple days. I liked the way he answered his questions. Apologies for hurting your feelings there Nancy!
Excellent example. *sigh*
A good community. Yeah...but only if you join the "Cult" and don't dare say anything remotely negative. So, here I am again, pointing out something that rubs some people wrong with a statement, at the same time being happy I may finally get to play the game and still, everyone gets all crazy and angry and wants people like me gone from thier game. *shrug*
Maybe Tasos should give some of the -thick- skin to his followers so they don#t explode at the slightest mention of negative things.
A couple things here.
First off, I realize you're not a native English speaker so let me explain to you some words. When someone says 'Several' that means at least three. So if there are 'several hundred people playing the game right now' interpret that as 'at least 300'. Not 'about 100' like you said.
a hundred = one hundred
a couple hundred = two hundred
Several hundred = three to five hundred
The second thing is that 99.99995 of gamers could give a rat's ass about how nice the president of a company is. How nice is the head of Blizzard, or their parent company or the CEO of EA? You don't know, do you? I care about how good the game is going to be, and what level of customer service they provide. There's a word for people who crticize a game because the head of the company is defensive when asked some clearly atagonistic questions, the word is 'troll'.
Imagine going up to the head of BMW and saying 'I have seen pictures of your new car, and have read on line people who have driven it at the test track, but many people think that you haven't even made it, it is just CGI. What do you say to those people?' What's he going to say 'Thank you so much for asking that wonderful question.'?
No matter what you put up, they will always find a loose string that they will try and pull to unravel it all.
I try to follow.. try... to follow an age-old saying - "You can't win a fool's argument."
tasos sure is arrogant.. ow well must be cause he knows the reputation of this site :)
Having confidence in something you are working on is great. The problem comes when you become over confident and believe you are doing better than you actually are. What Tasos has always exuded to me is over confidence or arrogance. Always. Read the Darkfall Dev Journals on Warcry, you'll see what I mean.
It might just be his personality and he could be a realistic down to earth guy when it comes to criticizm for the game and listening to complaints and fixing things; but we won't know if this is true until after release.
Why do I care?
Because I want Darkfall to succeed and be a great game! That's why. I don't want Tasos' over confidence to hinder the game because he thinks everything is great. Something that happens to arrogant people is they think they are right, even when they are wrong.
Think about it, what if the game is released and there are horrible inbalances or a huge issue with X feature and Tasos' response to all of the forum posts would be. "All the complainers are just trolls, nothing is wrong with the game." I'm not saying this will happen, but it could.
I'm worried because I was in corprate management for a number of years and reading the way Tasos responds to questions and comments on other games reminds me of some people I had to let go because of performance issues. They too thought they were doing a great job. One even wrote in her exit interview survey that she thought I was letting her go because I was a sexist. No, it wasn't because of the fact that she was the lowest performaing associate that I had, it was because I am sexist. Right.
A common thing that arrogant people like to do is make excuses.
I live in Europe, and have done so for the most part of my life. And no, his attitude is not something that you would expect from someone in his position. But maybe he's convinced that DF can survive on the current community alone. At the rate he and his "followers" are shooing others away, that'll be the way things turn out anyway.
What part of Europe? England? lol...
Anyway, I agree with you that some of the people on the forums are very abrasive. I've been following the game for quite some time and have been flamed to a crisp for a suggestion that I don't think most people even understood. On the other hand, I think that people are banned and/or suspended for extreme hate and flaming. Also, if you want to get a feel for the game, post in the newbie forum. The Advanced forum is for people who have waited long for the game and many of the most vocal have very little patience.
In any case though, many of the people who go to the DF forums expect to change the game into EQIII or WoWII. They are quickly dealt with and they should be. Try suggesting on the WoW forums that you should be able to loot your opponents gear. They will also flame you.
I think the real problem is that people who go to the DF forums thinking in terms of past mmos are shocked to find that their comfort zone is just not there. Try not to go there seeking what you have known before. Instead, keep an open mind, post in the appropriate forums, and you should be just fine.
Could not of put it better myself, having defended this game on both this site and many others I feel there will be many people feeling quite daft shortly. My posting has dropped quite a lot over the last few weeks due to constantly defending my belief in this product and having to listen to so many arrogant and immature idiots always questioning the existence and disbelief.
I can not get my head round why they would want to continue posting on any site if they have no faith, I get the impression these people have lost their way or are just plain nasty and need to seek professional help!! At the very least I hope the game does not make it until after christmas until spring this will cause a real riot and will cause a few to commit suicide if we are to believe some posts Lol...
Have It!!
Tasos and the Adventurine are serious about releasing an MMO for all those gamers who have been left out in the cold over the past 8 or more years, with a full loot, ffa pvp,skill based, sandbox, modern graphics MMO.
There are literally tens of thousands of people who are waiting for a game of this type to be released. And more, much much more people introduced to the MMO genre through WoW will come across once it is released, because it is a game based around PVP WITH CONSEQUENCE.
No more hand holding carebear hugs and kisses, no more whack-a-mole combat, no more level grinding, no more stupid 'kill 10 bats' CRAP.
And they DON'T F****ING CARE if you don't like full loot pvp sandbox, they don't want to hear your snivelling whining about 10 hour raids to gain a shiney, they don't want to listen about your needs for 'teh lvl grind'. If you don't like those concepts, or for some reason think the game is all smoke and mirrors, then GTFO of the house, you whining, weak-willed worm.
23 pages,
And still going, nothing out last's the Darkfall thread!
Yea man love it or hate it....but there is no denying that this game is on the radar of a lot of MMO gamers one way or another. I doubt anyone is stubborn enough to not play the game if it releases and is amazing if they were bashing it all along.
I wish i could necro that "Petition to remove Darkfall from MMORPG.com" thread. Oh common sense...im glad I have it.
I would guess,
30+ pages tonight alone! We need some marketing!=)
You think mmorpg.com would be willing to travel to Greece for an interview? Come on they don't do anything more then a web interview for free.
Well they got an interview,
Somewhat, we will see what happens! This game is so secret, that there either holding a Golden ticket or they will burn in flames!
Thanks MMORPG.com, wonderful interview. It is straight-forward, cutting, and is tailored to the majority of the community's concerns. I loved the harsh questions.
What I was even happier to see was the reaction incited by Tasos' attitude. I believe it was a deliberate move on Tasos' part; he knew the persona he projected would stir things up. It's a ton of criticism, but, in the end, it's all buzz, and will just result in more people being familiar with the Darkfall name.
When the game comes out, people familiar with the controversy will be more liable to check the reviews (whenever those reviews appear /cough) and other information.
If the game turns out good enough, I bet the vast majority of people offended by Tasos' attitude (though still genuinely interested in the games prospects) will try the game anyways. And anyone who is so offended by his tone as to be put off entirely from even trying the game, well... they wouldn't have fun in Darkfall anyways, no matter how good it turned out to be.
Would be nice if this guy would give us actual facts instead of extremely vague answers... hopefully we actually WILL get a release date in a "few" days like he said. I still cannot believe this game might actually come out at the end of this year. It would be awesome, but we will just have to wait and see.
Damn Stradden, I didn't think you could do it.
Right when I got to the part where you asked him how many players were in the beta, I was fully expecting another side-step tactic. He started one, then actually gave some numbers...I'm stunned that he shot himself in the knee-cap with honesty. Really, well done.
I'm actually feeling better after reading this article. Yes, Taso sounded like an ass, but whatever. Once again its their game, their PR specialist. As long as beta's going to start soon, and launch is when it's "ready", I'll happy.
Thank you for getting him to open his mouth...Never thought I'd say that, but I did.
I really hope the game does well.
But after reading the interview, I really don't think he will get any of my money.
What an a$$
Tasos Flambouras == Derek Smart.
I found him to sound confident in his product and annoyed at his critics egotistical might seep in there a bit as well but I think you have to have atleast a bit of an ego to really be good at what you do. I can't say I blame them for being annoyed at having to answer to foolish charges of vaporware when from what I know of lot's of mmos this game didn't take much longer than most I hear of and that's with vastly less resources than alot of these major companies like Funcon.
I must add though with less than a month to the new year I'm skeptical of a release thisyear but I'm not like alot of the trolls I would much rather see a company take there time and relase a very good game as opposed to what we've seen from the likes of Funcom or even Mythic who scrapped something like 5-9 percent of the game some weeks before launch which may be better than what Funcom did but still doesn't sit too well with me mmos in my opinion area great lesson in patience and I think as far as gaming goes I'm getting up there in the mastery of the art.
Agreed.
What are these new technologies? I've yet to read about them in one beta review.
Why can a small group come up with all this tech, but not a large group?
He says most MMOs are running the same development time as DarkFall, but then he says they are a smaller group so it will take longer. He just said it was the same time, though.
All buzz isn't goood buzz. Just ask Vanguard.
I think these would be valid questions. Of course, it it does release, and is the game he is vaguely saying it is by not saying anything, then its not a big concern.
I like Tasos for his committment to the game, as opposed to the marketing. I agree with him 100% that a good game is good marketing, and most advertising budgets at this stage is just a waste.
Still, he did little to convince me that this game is on track. He said "several hundred" beta testers are testing the game, but why can't he give us an actual number? Why is it this game has been in beta now for over four years, "ready to be released today," and yet isn't released? I have a hard time thinking that it's about quality control. VCs and banks typically don't give small developers as much slack as this, especially these days.
I think Darkfall would be a welcome addition to the MMO scene. Unfortunately, this interview seems to be pretty high in assertions, and very little proof in the forms of names, dates, or numbers.
Very nice and informative interview. Very straightforward questions and answers.
5 year of development, there you have it. 5 years. And they have achieved alot during these years. Good to see that we finally can leave the development time to rest. Its 5 years, not 7.
Reassuring to read that game is ready for launch. These 4 weeks of december 2008 will be the most exiting days of my MMORPG life.
Release to be announced any day was the best info of them all. But this i never worried about cause so far Tasos never told us a lie.
Some complaints about his tone in the answers, What do you expect after seeing a thread like the one with a title, remove Darkfall from MMORPG.com being able to grow like it did, wasnt it like 10 pages long before it finally ended? Trolls on this site have been allowed way to much space as i see it.
This is a good answer on the vaporware issue from Tasos - "We don't pay much attention to speculation but it's not the length of development that has led some to speculate...this has been going on since day one. I'd question the motives of those speculating all these years. We're almost talking about obsessive "trolling" either looking for a reaction, more information, or trying to hurt our efforts."
I would go for "trying to hurt our efforts" as the right answer why people troll on Darkfall. And if thats the right answer, why try to hurt another MMORPG that might be the one that take us out of the poor quality games we seen release this year?
This answer from Tasos made me laugh so hard "All the "trolls" have achieved is to inadvertently help perpetuate the buzz for Darkfall." Think about this abit all you that feel you're a part of the troll community, what you really achieved is hyping this game. PR for Darkfall. 210.000 members at the Darkfall main forum as we speak. For this i sincerely thank you.
On PR Tasos answers just like he did all along, the game will speak for itself and they put their funds on developing which of course is the way to go for a smaller company. "We expect a great deal of word of mouth". And that is what counts. Make the game as good as possible and let it live on it's own strength. If the game is as outstanding as we all hope they wont need a huge PR market. Game will have all the subs they need and more.
200 people in beta sounds like the right numbers. Will also prevent leaks. Other companies should learn from Aventurine.
Because 200+ comments is ridiculous (and proof that this game doesn't need a massive marketing budget...), I'm going to stop reading the thread here and say that Borluc has it right.
Because 200+ comments is ridiculous (and proof that this game doesn't need a massive marketing budget...), I'm going to stop reading the thread here and say that Borluc has it right.
I also agree with Borluc. It was hostile questions. Questions based on the unjustiful trolling that been going on over the years here at MMORPG.com. Its like saying we on MMORPG.com believe in the trolls and their aggressive trolling have been the most interesting part over the years. Lets only ask questions based on this.
Keep in mind with this statement that I am not at all against DF or with it at this point.. If it comes out and is wonderfull then great if it's awfull fine too. I'm just a little taken aback by some of the cockiness on the part of the Dev team.
I just don't understand how a self proclaimed "small company" can constantly boast how they're better than everyone else. If the game is going to break the mold and be amazingly awsome while having close to NO bugs at launch like so many things i've read are claiming then FANTASTIC but I honestly don't see it.
We've seen it with big "AAA" titles that don't properly stress test and when launched, the servers and game have a Siezure when met with all the different hardware/software configurations out there. Something tells me we're in fore a big let down and it worries me because everything about the game SOUNDS so good on paper.
I'm still reserving my judgment for when the game releases and i'm still looking forward to it but everytime I hear an interview or update it makes me think that this game can do 1 of 2 things... either revolutionize the way we think of MMO's or it's going to be HORRIBLE. Unfortunatly the company making it backed themselves into a world where there will be no medium ground. Either be GREAT or be a GREAT letdown.
Great, great interview! One of the best I have ever read. Your questions were to the point and I thought Tasos answered them with the grace of a ninja!
Rock on DF ;)
I always seem to kill topics....
that isnt what tasos meant by a i helping them it really hard ot explain. let me put this in a way youll understand
bots/ai/npc cause same stress as real players. (server cant tell the diffrence from players or npcs) ai skilsl up jsut like a rela player it roams it does stuff jsu tliek a real player would it builds yada yada yada. to what extent do they help who knows but the main one i bet is stress granted theys till need to let alto of people in to double check everything. but i have seen a fake npc logged into (cough swg pre cu emulator that was causign the same stress as a real person)
There we go, I can argue that.
See, bots and AI cant cause the same stress for multiple reasons.
#1 they were programed by the same people who programed the game.
#2 Computers are only as good as they were programed
#3 Players do things programers never intended them to do or try, that pretty much breaks 2 and 1
#4 Players use third party apps to try and break the game and cheat...AI doesnt do that.
#5 Most importantly, Players connect from outside the building, from different regions, states, etc. AI connects internally. Its not going to stress test the network infrastructure.
#6 Players use different pcs, millions and millions of different systems, AI doesnt test that.
Thats just a few rather simple issues I can come up with that AI cant solve.... and those issues alone could cause MASSIVE problems.
You are wrong and here is why:
You are combining two separate methods of testing and saying they can't test everything with one testing methodology.
Automated Server Stress - This is, supposedly, being done by "bots" or whatever to test the load on the server.
Professional QA Testers - These guys are testing the features and functionality of the game.
When you use both, you can test as much shit as any other developer does. Having thousands of testers rarely produces any feature/functionality issues. Having those thousands of testers generates stress on the server which leads to problems that have nothing to do with functionality. There is really no other reason to have that many people testing a game.
So no, you are wrong. With the idea of automated stress testing accompanied by professional testers, you will find all the same issues you would find using manual stress testing (actual users) accompanied by professional testers.
You are wrong.
Really all I got out of this is how much of an ass Tasos is. Throughout the whole interview he had an attitude. Ya well this...ya well that. And oh ya btw we can launch today but we don't want to...
Dream the fuck on...
Have fun digging yourself out of that whole of ignorance, Pyrostasis.
been in development since 2003? Thats funny, the first time I heard about the game was in 2001 and it was slated for release in 2003.
talk about being on the defensive the entire interview. I dont think this guy was being completely honest about its development cycle.
I've never been a Darkfall fanboi, and I can't say much about the game except that I haven't been impressed by the graphics I've seen thus far. But what I felt from Tasos in that interview wasn't attitude, it was confidence. I didn't mind the way he was responding, in fact I thought that it was refreshing that he wasn't talking like a politician. So many interviews with game designers seem like they are scripted, this didn't.
Tasos earns +1 respect.
I'm still not sure if I will like, or play Darkfall, but I don't doubt it's existance anymore.
I got the same impression from his first 2-3 answers. He toned it down a bit at the end, but the sour taste remains.
If you knew abit more on Darkfall history you would know that Darkfall 2001- late 2002 was a totally different game then the one we is awaiting to be released soon. Totally different.
It was also developed by a different company called Razorwax.
Game was remade from scratch 2003.
Nice to see that this is also how Tasos look on it. Guess he is a more accurate source of information then some random guy on the internet.
I also agree with Borluc. It was hostile questions. Questions based on the unjustiful trolling that been going on over the years here at MMORPG.com. Its like saying we on MMORPG.com believe in the trolls and their aggressive trolling have been the most interesting part over the years. Lets only ask questions based on this.
I'm going to respond to a number of the above quoted posts:
There was absolutely no disrespect intended, and I'm pretty sure that none was percieved by the Aventurine Dev team. I think it would have been extremely disrespectful to ask softball questions when a large number of the members of our community wanted to know the answers to these questions.
Why did I ask Tasos how he responded to those who called the game vaporware? Well, I asked because I thought that it would be nice to know... What Tasos had to say to those accusations. In media, when accusations are made, it's customary to follow up on them and give them people on the other end of the accusations a chance to respond. In this case, Tasos chose to, and I think he did a good job of it too.
I'm not sure what I did here that you think is disrespectful. It's not like Tasos and the team haven't heard the accusations before.... It's not like anyone who reads the article hasn't heard them before... So why not get it out in the open and address it rather than pretending it never happened.
Asking honest questions about the game and its development cycle, especially when it is somehow out of the ordinary (not saying it's bad, just different), isn't trolling, it's looking for information. Frankly, I wouldn't have been doing my job if I hadn't asked those questions.
Next time I'll be sure to find out the name of his favorite band or somethinequally irrelevant to the story.
If someone claims your game vaporware and you snap back calling them losers, you are lowering yourself to the level of those pricks that called him names in the first place. So yeah, he is acting like ego-maniac at worst, or a child at best. In either case, he is not acting like a professional, but like an emotional woman that has her period.
I agree.
It's funny how people will try to find any little thing to try to bring down this game. If it's not vaporware, then Tasos is giving attitude and is an ass, and whatever else they manage to think up.
Tasos gave honest answers that were direct and to the point, as opposed to beating around the bush like most companies. This is definitely a plus in my books.
So stubborn =( Oh well its better than lolvaporz i suppose.
Cya in game
I have said it time and time again. DF is a great concept and I hope it does well, but Tasos is the worst PR guy they could have picked. He says nothing while trying to claim DF is the greatest game in the world.
If Tasos was so confident why have they not released the "feature complete" "release ready" game yet? Tasos has said almost 2 years ago that the game was ready... He said in Aug of 07 that the game was ready for beta... He said again over the summer that beta was ready again... see a patern here?
Again I sincerely hope the game does well, but for a guy with ZERO... let me repeat... ZERO game experience prior to this project he sure is smug. When he releases a finished project that revolutionizes the industy (He keeps implying it) he can be smug... anything less and he is a failure.
Tasos is to DF what Smedley was to SWG.
LOL Zorvan, you crack me up!
Exactly correct.
We need more people on the other side of the DF debate that actually present their negative opinions and concerns about the game with some kind of thought process and mature discussion. Not just ugh he is an ass dream the fuck on lolzvaporz.
They still have to release and prove the game is as good as they say they are.
But there is no doubt that Tasos conducts himself in a way that is refreshing to those of us smart enough to understand it. I much prefer him like you said to the nonsense we got from supposed "well respected" studios like funcom and mythic that released bad games and handled post release poorly. This guy is straight up and HONEST.
And then of course they are not asking for preorders and letting the game speak for itself. That is the point that counts. You cant say they are hiding anything because you think you deserve to be shown stuff before you pay.
Thank you MMORPG for getting the Interview! Its about time...
We'll see in a couple of days and if we get the same bs then what will be the excuse from the followers? Same goes for the haters... I'm just sick of all of the arguing so let's play something first then we can go from there.
Wow I hope he is a god designer because he a piss poor business man. Guess we will all see in a couple weeks; tick tock.
If someone claims your game vaporware and you snap back calling them losers, you are lowering yourself to the level of those pricks that called him names in the first place. So yeah, he is acting like ego-maniac at worst, or a child at best. In either case, he is not acting like a professional, but like an emotional woman that has her period.
it's not your fault
Don't let the door hit you on the way out!
Good interview, looking forward to news in the next couple days. I liked the way he answered his questions. Apologies for hurting your feelings there Nancy!
Excellent example. *sigh*
A good community. Yeah...but only if you join the "Cult" and don't dare say anything remotely negative. So, here I am again, pointing out something that rubs some people wrong with a statement, at the same time being happy I may finally get to play the game and still, everyone gets all crazy and angry and wants people like me gone from thier game. *shrug*
Maybe Tasos should give some of the -thick- skin to his followers so they don#t explode at the slightest mention of negative things.
A couple things here.
First off, I realize you're not a native English speaker so let me explain to you some words. When someone says 'Several' that means at least three. So if there are 'several hundred people playing the game right now' interpret that as 'at least 300'. Not 'about 100' like you said.
a hundred = one hundred
a couple hundred = two hundred
Several hundred = three to five hundred
The second thing is that 99.99995 of gamers could give a rat's ass about how nice the president of a company is. How nice is the head of Blizzard, or their parent company or the CEO of EA? You don't know, do you? I care about how good the game is going to be, and what level of customer service they provide. There's a word for people who crticize a game because the head of the company is defensive when asked some clearly atagonistic questions, the word is 'troll'.
Imagine going up to the head of BMW and saying 'I have seen pictures of your new car, and have read on line people who have driven it at the test track, but many people think that you haven't even made it, it is just CGI. What do you say to those people?' What's he going to say 'Thank you so much for asking that wonderful question.'?
Wow....this thread is still going. What do you know, you lie down to get some rest and people continue posting about this even after you've closed it off for yourself. Anyway, since people seem to think it amusing and necessary to reply to my statements and continue calling me a troll, I'll reply to this particular gem.
First: Yes, English is not my native language.
Edit: Eliminated the second for being too drowsy to see the connection here XD
Second: Thank you for the explanation of several. I was quite aware of how much that is supposed to be, but also aware that it is a vague term and doesn't really give any firm number, thus is open to interpretation. Furthermore, in another post I made, I basically said that it would be 300 testers, with no more than 100 on-line at the same time. Understand what I was trying to say better now? Or am I not using correct English again?
Yes. People don't give a flying f*** about how -nice- a head of a company is. Does that mean they can't talk about it? Does that mean some people won't think it's a poor choice of wording when someone calls possible future players Trolls and elevates his own community above all others. Notice that many people/developers have a lot of faith in their game, or at least project such faith to the media, but -most- do not put themselves above everything else out there. Tasos does that. Will he have the last laugh if he can actually deliver? Sure. Does he come off as a prick until he actually proves it? Also sure.
And to get to your comparison to BMW. Well...if BMW had announced a new car, about ready to hit the market in 2003, promised test-rides and all that jazz for the current year and then announced it would take longer, but continued to tell everyone it would be the best car in the world and blow the competition out of the water and continue telling these things for 5 years....you'd have to expect someone coming to you and asking that. So the question was asked. How is that surprising? It certainly shouldn't have surprised Tasos and there are a bajillion ways he could have answered that better. But OK, he's super-confident that his game will beat the crap out of every skeptic plus any other game. He's got guts, gotta hand him that.
Now, being done replying to people labelling me a Troll, again, I hope this thread can find a rest and people can stop arguing over these things. Whatever some people may think about the interview, there is a committment now and we should all be happy about that. By the end of the year, things will be a lot clearer and maybe then we can have some normal discussions without negatives being called Trolling immediately and positives being called Fanboi in the same manner.
Funny...I think I already said that two times in this thread, but people obviously only like to see what they want.
Good questions but the interview proves nothing yet again.
This guy is really pushing his luck, the more he talks like this the harder the people are gonna come down on him when there isn't a game in a few days.
Release date was scheduled for 2008. The clock is ticking.
First real interview I've seen on this game and it's unfortunate that it mostly dealing with the PR garbage heap Aventurine has created with their 'marketing'.
I judge developers based on their interviews and I found this one inaccurate (Darkfall was announced 2001, nice attempt with the excuse they began 'development' later) and it was more than a little condescending in tone. The developers should take an apologetic stance for the terrible job they did with marketing, not trying to twist it into some excuse that they planned it all along.
They have 3 weeks to back up this attitude, and the community will remember this interview and expect them to produce a game that does.
Whatever company is building an MMO, they are first and foremost running a BUSINESS. That is, in nature, trying to be profitable so they can grow and expand and become more profitable.
Now, if Darkfall was planned to release in 2008 there would have been business-related activities preceding its release, this is not about MMO, it's about common business practice. One such business practice would be a marketing campaign....... how much marketing have we seen about this game online, in magazines, ...? None.
So, taking my gamer's hat off and putting my "common sense hat" on, this game will not release this year. Will it ever release? I doubt it. I think we'll get a "hahahah gotchyall" message one day about a funny group of greek nerds who pulled the biggest prank in MMO history.
My 2 cents.
well you obviously know nothing about business. You doubt it will ever get released? wow.....
anyways yes this is a business...but there are different forms of business.
actually this has been discussed to death in other threads today. bottom line you are wrong.
and sorry there has been marketing in magazines...both in paper magazines and online magazines....on television etc as well. so yea wrong again.
check the threads on official boards on onthe mmorpg df site and you can apologize later.
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see ya in game
The arrogance some people are talking about comes from the fact that he's portraying an overly confident attitude.
I want to give this guy the benefit from the doubt, but if he's wrong and misses a 2008 release date, people are gonna come down on him really hard and I'm going to agree with them.
I have no problem with people being confident who have shown what they are capable off and have released products with a certain quality.
It does bother me when someone who is put on the spot becomes highly defensive instead of apologetic like he probably should have been. I think if he was less arrogant people wouldn't be so hard on this guy.
well you obviously know nothing about business. You doubt it will ever get released? wow.....
anyways yes this is a business...but there are different forms of business.
actually this has been discussed to death in other threads today. bottom line you are wrong.
and sorry there has been marketing in magazines...both in paper magazines and online magazines....on television etc as well. so yea wrong again.
check the threads on official boards on onthe mmorpg df site and you can apologize later.
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see ya in game
hehehe /Yawwwwn
hehehe /Yawwwwn
yup common response when you are too stubborn to admit you were wrong.
sorry but you saying they have done no marketing, and your specific example of magazines is factually wrong. more proof that there are people who dont know much about df an just bash it because they think its cool or makesthem feel better. as mentioned in the interview...all you are doing is helping promote the game so keep it up.
its not your fault....its not your fault.....
hehehe /Yawwwwn
yup common response when you are too stubborn to admit you were wrong.
sorry but you saying they have done no marketing, and your specific example of magazines is factually wrong. more proof that there are people who dont know much about df an just bash it because they think its cool or makesthem feel better. as mentioned in the interview...all you are doing is helping promote the game so keep it up.
its not your fault....its not your fault.....
hehehe /Yawwwnn some more. Marketing campaign is stronger preceeding launch of a PRODUCT. I suggest you buy marketing for dummies and read at least the intrdocution. Oh wait, don't waste your money on the book ... keep it for when the game releases. ha ha ha ha.... over and out.
Sweet jebus man, you've got to start somewhere.
We were told that an announcement was coming in the next few days. This is called laying the groundwork for more in-depth coverage.
you just cant win can you Strad?
give MMORPG a break. at least they managed to get an interview.
yup common response when you are too stubborn to admit you were wrong.
sorry but you saying they have done no marketing, and your specific example of magazines is factually wrong. more proof that there are people who dont know much about df an just bash it because they think its cool or makesthem feel better. as mentioned in the interview...all you are doing is helping promote the game so keep it up.
its not your fault....its not your fault.....
hehehe /Yawwwnn some more. Marketing campaign is stronger preceeding launch of a PRODUCT. I suggest you buy marketing for dummies and read at least the intrdocution. Oh wait, don't waste your money on the book ... keep it for when the game releases. ha ha ha ha.... over and out.
and another post where you completely ignore the fact that you were proven wrong.
also they arent producing a product. like someone posted earlier....they are more offering a service than a product, and there is different marketing with that.
and bottom line...its one of the most talked about games on the market right now.....so their marketing is working BETTTER THAN ANY OTHER GAME IN DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW. that is also fact, just look at the numbers on this board.
you are CLEARLY here to troll and get a rise out of people with /teheheheheh etc so im done proving you wrong. please keep responding though and bumping this thread. everytime you do its just another front page hit and the more people know about the game.
you are the shining example of the people tasos points out in the interview.....THANKS!
"and another post where you completely ignore the fact that you were proven wrong."
Pretty funny statement since the game is not out yet and no one has playtested it or done a review on it.
Rather hard to prove any one wrong when your entire argument is based on statements only from the mouths of the developers. By now you should have at least gleemed that over hype is common in this industry.
Whether anything, including comments by Tasos, is true, no one will know until the game is out, that is if it comes out.
He proved him wrong about the fact that sye said that Aventurine had not done any PR for DF which is completely false as he stated, learn to read because you will just embarrass yourself by trying to argue something that isn't even being discussed
This interview would have been more interesting and factual had they made up a dev company and game and then held the interview with his own hand.
I said it in another post and I will say it again. The style of PR/Marketing that DF is using is causing folks to not trust the product. Tasos, and the fanboi's labeling anyone who asks for concrete proof as trolls is only hurting this game's potential success before it even comes out.
Notice, that I said "comes out." I am assuming it will realease. I have no evidence it won't. So, I am not saying that DF is vaporware.
What I am objecting to is all the secrets, ploys and fishy seeming tactics that are being employed. It is shattering my trust of the product and its associated service and is causing me to take a negative view on a product I once looked forward to. It makes wonder how good it really is, and if the services (like customer support) can be trusted and so on.
I can truly appreciate DF for not hyping up like other games. In that way I can understand the idea that no news will be released until they have something of merit to say. I am totally down with that. What wrankles my hide is all the secrecy, yet they post pages of "player testimonials" that are pure hype and cannot give me even a tiny sample to help me see the truth in the reviews... let alone proof that the reviewers themselves exist. It is about a lack of trust.
The poster above talked about the game being a service as opposed to a product. While one can argue that for a long while, I know this: Services require a great deal more of trust on the customer's part than a products does. Why? Because a product is tangible; it can be held in your hand (like a game's box). A service is, on the other hand, solely based on the promise (aka trust) that the provider will actually come through and provide the service to the customer's expectations.
Without trust, services fail. Darkfall is building hype to be sure, but it is NOT building trust, and DF's ardent supporters are not helping the issue at all. In fact, it is, in my opinion, severely undermining DF's reputation and is tarnishing what could be an excellent game's image.
DF looks awesome. It really does. But, all I am asking is for someone to bolster my trust and therefore my support.
TROLL!
Hehe, just kidding
. I completely agree with the above quoted post.
tasos, troller of trolls. a few hard words, add a dash of arrogance and he's got the costless PR machine rolling on hate power.
never seen so many troll posts in a thread
Interesting interview. GJ MMORPG.com.
Vapourware or not, ill give a try AFTER reading opinions of people like 2 or 3 months later from its launch.
Lol.. I don't think there are many features here on mmorpg.com that get 300 comments in one day! haha..
Talk about putting all your eggs in one basket, if he doesn't make this game happen he will be disgraced from the gaming community forever, the way he's carrying on.
First off, I didn't read all the posts on here (for obvious reasons).
Secondly, I'm pleased as punch that it looks like Darkfall is not vaporware and I can't wait to play it. *STOKED*
Third, to anyone who says "he's (Tasos) a prick/douschebag/asshole/full of himself" from this interview, are we reading the same interview? He seemed pretty down to earth for me. More to the point, who gives a flying f**k what kind of people are making the game if it's revolutionary and really flipping fun. Get over yourselves *period*.
Finally, people who pick apart the little details and still claim vaporware, get over yourselves also. If you're right and it is vaporware, no one cares. If you're wrong you've just spent weeks/years trolling over a game you'll never play (or perhaps you'll begrudgingly fall in love with) and making yourself look like a douschebag.
I haven't been waiting for this specific game for years, but in spirit I've been waiting for this kind of game since SWG got trashed and banged a diseased hooker while becoming addicted to cocane.
when did this hall of shame committee form and why am i not a member of it
Great teaser interview with hopefully much more info to come.
I just read Stradden's/Jon Wood's posts in this thread and I gotta say. Dudes.. Chill out. Why are you hostile towards Jon Wood? I know he's media, and we sometimes don't like media.. But, he brought us some good content and Zorvan. It's exactly what he's doing. This is groundwork for more features in the future.
And he is mmorpg media. Dudes, how much mmorpg media do we have? Not that much.. I think we should respect the people here at mmorpg.com a little. And after all.. it is one of thew few places you can talk without getting excessively moderated.
They cover so many mmorpgs here. New mmorpgs and old mmorpgs.
I don't know.. It just seems a bit unfair.
And Jon Wood is absolutely right when he asks those questions. Zorvan made a long thread and requested some more Darkfall information. I can't say we weren't all thinking of this. I saw some threads about it earlier, but I guess Zorvan has some power with his many posts and him being relatively friends with staff here. - Which is weird, cause he always expresses disappointment in everything. Just like he was pessimistic about this interview.
My point is that Zorvan along with a ton of other "trolls" keep saying vaporware so many times in the DF community that it's not offensive. It would have been offensive if Jon Wood brought it up by himself as a new word or something very few had said.
Seriously. Get off your high horses and point the finger at yourselves for thinking DF is vaporware. It's clearly not.
About Tasos. I've been a big fan of Tasos for a while now. He's one of my favourite developers of all times (even though he's a producer, hehe). And I was happy to hear him talk about the game. Hell. I am ALWAYS happy to hear ANYTHING Tasos has to say. I just wish he had time to post with regular members. Well. We will see. Maybe in the future when our big subscriber base can pay for 50 more developers on the team.
I understand some of you people don't really like that you get very little information. I don't like it either. But, we do get some and I think they do try to meet with media and as Tasos says. They do what they can. So wtf?
Everyone just stop being so friggin hostile towards Tasos, Darkfall, Aventurine and Jon Wood + Mmorpg.com. You guys are totally unfair. And why question if Aventurine will have good customer support in the future? sheesh.. I bet they will have good cs like most other games.
You know.. The most problematic unit is probably the community members. You, me, us, them ... We are so difficult sometimes. We need to realize that indie developers are not out to cheat us. Mmorpg.com is not out to make money on us. .. They actually have 6 staff members. They need advertisement. Don't be a communist. You need ads to run a newspaper.
The only people that are out to make our lives miserable are probably some publishers in the mmorpg industry. Maybe some developers that gave up on their projects as something inventive and just want money. You do not see indie developers or games with relatively long development cycle do this. ..
Which brings me to something else.. Well, Tasos says DF has been in development since 2003 and it's true. cause they completely remade the company and remade their game back then. Started from scratch. But, they did work on Darkfall prior to that. I believe Kjetil, Claus, Henning and Ricki started in 1999. Or did Ricki join later and it was just those 3?
Anyways.. ya. Well. That's what I wanted to say.
so y do u fly? can u see youself landing safetly? no we cant look forward in time to see we put FAITH in the pilots that they will do their job. im doing the same thing with aventurine. if it sucks then oh well, but if its good ill play it. see where im going? its a videogame, only fifty dollars plus 15 a month, not too expensive, but u make such a big deal outta it
I’m not making a big deal about anything. You must have me confused with someone else. Personally I’m going to watch, wait, and maybe check it out if it survives past the 6th month mark, and taco hasn’t screamed and flamed the player base away.
What the hell are you smoking??
First statement "Because the backlash of crying is going to resound for at least 6 months."
Second statement " Personally I’m going to watch, wait, and maybe check it out if it survives past the 6th month mark"
Now if this does not constitute trolling then I don't know what does.
Do yourself and everyone else a favour gtfo.
page 29 going on 30-ish.,.
lol fantastic!
If you are acussing someone of lying get your facts right!
From 2001 till the end of 2002 Darkfall was in development from Razowarx, a firm based in Norway.
After the integration from Razorwax into Aventurine SA they started their new development process in 2003.
The developers should apologise for their marketing?
Are you serious?
They owe you nothing, well maybe a kick in the ass for such a idiotic request.
Atheki. Remember to mention that they completely restarted the development process somewhere around there too.
That´s what I meant by saying "...started their new development process..." .
aint getting my hopes up..
Funcom only responded to Tasos' assinine statements about AoC. He's the one that went too far.
Anyways, I'm surprised by this interview. For once Tasos actually had a reason to open his mouth. I like how he said he plans on marketting the game by giving a good product and retaining the userbase. That's what all MMO makers should have been doing for years. Whether or not DF flops, at least he'll have that much going for him.
WRONG
AoC dev Athlan or whatever his name was, started that debacle, and that is a fact.
I also agree with Borluc. It was hostile questions. Questions based on the unjustiful trolling that been going on over the years here at MMORPG.com. Its like saying we on MMORPG.com believe in the trolls and their aggressive trolling have been the most interesting part over the years. Lets only ask questions based on this.
I'm going to respond to a number of the above quoted posts:
There was absolutely no disrespect intended, and I'm pretty sure that none was percieved by the Aventurine Dev team. I think it would have been extremely disrespectful to ask softball questions when a large number of the members of our community wanted to know the answers to these questions.
Why did I ask Tasos how he responded to those who called the game vaporware? Well, I asked because I thought that it would be nice to know... What Tasos had to say to those accusations. In media, when accusations are made, it's customary to follow up on them and give them people on the other end of the accusations a chance to respond. In this case, Tasos chose to, and I think he did a good job of it too.
I'm not sure what I did here that you think is disrespectful. It's not like Tasos and the team haven't heard the accusations before.... It's not like anyone who reads the article hasn't heard them before... So why not get it out in the open and address it rather than pretending it never happened.
Asking honest questions about the game and its development cycle, especially when it is somehow out of the ordinary (not saying it's bad, just different), isn't trolling, it's looking for information. Frankly, I wouldn't have been doing my job if I hadn't asked those questions.
Next time I'll be sure to find out the name of his favorite band or somethinequally irrelevant to the story.
Stradden I applaud your questions, Tasos is making a FFA/PvP full loot game, so I think he can appreciate the straight on questions.
So stubborn =( Oh well its better than lolvaporz i suppose.
Cya in game
I wonder who is acting the ass.. ? huh.
To be honest,
I've found his attitude in this article far from pleasant.
He really sounded like an elitish puberal arrogant ass. Sorry to say it like that.
Nothing about thick skin, vaporware trolls this and that.
If you are going to answer an interview this is clearly not the way to answer.
He really thinks he is the king of the MMO industry, seeing how he reacted and thinks about other MMO companies.
Sorry tho, but he should be a bit more respectful towards the competition. As so far they themselves haven't delivered anything yet and are a new indy company in this bussiness.
And this arrogant elitish attitude isn't going to do them any favors! Maybe he should keep both his feet on the ground and act a bit more humiliate and normal.
Cheers
"..there will be an official statement in the next few days announcing a release date for the game."
How many years it has been that I have been waiting to hear that line??????
GREAT news!
Well personally I'm not interested in this game, not that it doesn't look good, its just not my cup of tea.
Having said that, just reading this interview made me want to be interested in the game.
I remember first hearing about this game back when I played EQ almost 10 years ago and now its getting close to release. I may have to check it out wether I think I may like it or not.
The care with which this game is being made is something every MMO Company should be looking at. It shows that they actually care about what they put out there on the market. I think this game will be more popular than anyone realizes.
that isnt what tasos meant by a i helping them it really hard ot explain. let me put this in a way youll understand
bots/ai/npc cause same stress as real players. (server cant tell the diffrence from players or npcs) ai skilsl up jsut like a rela player it roams it does stuff jsu tliek a real player would it builds yada yada yada. to what extent do they help who knows but the main one i bet is stress granted theys till need to let alto of people in to double check everything. but i have seen a fake npc logged into (cough swg pre cu emulator that was causign the same stress as a real person)
There we go, I can argue that.
See, bots and AI cant cause the same stress for multiple reasons.
#1 they were programed by the same people who programed the game.
#2 Computers are only as good as they were programed
#3 Players do things programers never intended them to do or try, that pretty much breaks 2 and 1
#4 Players use third party apps to try and break the game and cheat...AI doesnt do that.
#5 Most importantly, Players connect from outside the building, from different regions, states, etc. AI connects internally. Its not going to stress test the network infrastructure.
#6 Players use different pcs, millions and millions of different systems, AI doesnt test that.
Thats just a few rather simple issues I can come up with that AI cant solve.... and those issues alone could cause MASSIVE problems.
isnt that what the hardware test is for im talking stress thats about it
do you even know how peole in cause stress to server being logged in?
diffrent game same concept tho
It doesn't matter. Any good IT professional will tell you that the only good test is with REAL people.
I have been part of the development of new auction software system.
Development tested it with all kinds of stress test programs and everything looked okay.
The moment we rolled out the new software on the tribunes and tested with real live customers to use the new software simultaniously on the tribunes, all kinds of issues, problems, bottlenecks, performance issues arose.
There is no AI testing program that can beat real live testers.
Cheers
like the trolls k
It doesn't matter. Any good IT professional will tell you that the only good test is with REAL people.
I have been part of the development of new auction software system.
Development tested it with all kinds of stress test programs and everything looked okay.
The moment we rolled out the new software on the tribunes and tested with real live customers to use the new software simultaniously on the tribunes, all kinds of issues, problems, bottlenecks, performance issues arose.
There is no AI testing program that can beat real live testers.
Cheers
yea there never used to be cars and planes either and the light bulb
I'll have to agree that this interview didn't give much, if any, info. I also agree that Tacos came across like somewhat of a jerk, and he usually does. I hope he won't be in customer support lol.
Also, as someone who doesn't read these boards that much, I'm baffled by the mood in the Darkfall section.. what the hell is wrong with people who support Darkfall? I sure hope the community won't be anything like this in the actual game because I'd have a hard time enjoying it no matter how good the game itself is. Geeeeez come on.
some will but this is boards not a game heh
Hallarious considering that even if Darkfall ever does see the light of day, this "ultimate skill based game of all time!' boils down to smashing the mouse button over and over until things die and random ganking. If there are no objectives, I fail to see the "conseqnece" of PvP besides perhaps having to go buy another genericsword_01 to replace the one that was spammed out of you by 12 noobs.
Hallarious considering that even if Darkfall ever does see the light of day, this "ultimate skill based game of all time!' boils down to smashing the mouse button over and over until things die and random ganking. If there are no objectives, I fail to see the "conseqnece" of PvP besides perhaps having to go buy another genericsword_01 to replace the one that was spammed out of you by 12 noobs.
not going to be like that
Hallarious considering that even if Darkfall ever does see the light of day, this "ultimate skill based game of all time!' boils down to smashing the mouse button over and over until things die and random ganking. If there are no objectives, I fail to see the "conseqnece" of PvP besides perhaps having to go buy another genericsword_01 to replace the one that was spammed out of you by 12 noobs.
not going to be like that
You say that now. Hell, even the scant few trailers they've released show warriors running around just spiraling their arms like some kind of sword windmill until something dies and then gliding over to the next thing.
like the trolls k
The only troll are you. Just look back your own posts. Being a blind fanboi is even worse then the average troll on these forums k
At least I am not trolling and post replies with a foundation. Can't say that from you k
It doesn't matter. Any good IT professional will tell you that the only good test is with REAL people.
I have been part of the development of new auction software system.
Development tested it with all kinds of stress test programs and everything looked okay.
The moment we rolled out the new software on the tribunes and tested with real live customers to use the new software simultaniously on the tribunes, all kinds of issues, problems, bottlenecks, performance issues arose.
There is no AI testing program that can beat real live testers.
Cheers
First, if you read the article carefully, they claim to have been using real, live interntal QA test staff for over a year. Now, as someone who has been developing software for over 20 years, I can tell you that the best testing includes the users as well.
However that said, more than one application I've worked on released successfully with no user acceptance testing, and while we did experience problems that would have been caught by them before release, we just fixed the problems afterwards and moved forwards.
Now we know they have several hundred external testers working on the software testing. How much is enough? Is 200 or 300 external testers who actually test more valuable than 10,000 who do nothing but play the game and never file a bug report? I'm thinking, maybe they are.
The only thing they really can't do is properly load test the system, though their are load testing simulators I've used not quite sure how they could be practically applied to an MMO.
Time will tell whether their approach will work better than the recent releases that had large scale open betas yet still released with lots of problems. Could they really do any worse?
The only troll are you. Just look back your own posts. Being a blind fanboi is even worse then the average troll on these forums k
At least I am not trolling and post replies with a foundation. Can't say that from you k
im not blind im not going to pay shit until i get to try the game and see for my self
Soon we know more, short but nice interview:)
Oh that is just the result of years of trolling.. we will be fine once the game releases. Until then, we will jum at anyone saying bullit on the boards, it's a reflex ;p
You need to fill the server to max load and let those thousands of players play the game for a good while, so you can load test every zone of your game.
So many MMO's fell flat on their face, because they only did a short Open Beta period and load tested the starting area, while there were zones in the game that were causing the servers to crash with far less people.
I can cough up two MMO's right now in wich this happened. Matrix Online and Tabula Rasa (altho in tabula rasa the servers didn't crash, but one zone was completely unplayable and it took them litterly months to fix that zone AFTER release!).
Same with Warhammer Online. Now after launch Fortress zones in TIer4 are crashing or even bringing the whole server to it's knees. All because they appearently didn't properly load tested the endgame zones!
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in my example with the new Auction system software, we could perfectly well testing the load on the software itself with bots, but we did a load test with real live customers, because they do things you don't expect them to do. Not to mention that they can create problems, bugs and performance issues you haven't thought of.
Cheers
Hallarious considering that even if Darkfall ever does see the light of day, this "ultimate skill based game of all time!' boils down to smashing the mouse button over and over until things die and random ganking. If there are no objectives, I fail to see the "conseqnece" of PvP besides perhaps having to go buy another genericsword_01 to replace the one that was spammed out of you by 12 noobs.
You obviously don't now anyting about this game or its features, ever played UO? ever played an FPS?
If you are realy intrested in knowing (witch I doubt) you can start by reading my blog entries here on MMORPG.com.
This game is obviously not for you tough, it sound as if you need the quest, and raids and epic shite that so many other games proved for you.
Have a nice life
is it me or Tasos sounded like he was a 17 old nerd, who's cocky, inexperienced and frankly a bit of a dick. the way he talks about the game is like it's second coming (Darkfall fanbois - now i know the reason for Your attitude) is not very appealing to me. i know they are independent so there's not much of PR or all that corporate spin cycle going on there but still... besides i would love MMORPG.COM to record their interviews on camera (if it's over the phone then just audio). reading the interview doesnt give the emotion of the interview at all (so i might've misinterpreted my first observation)
right now everything about this game is just words, few vids and small and unispiring site...
First, if you read the article carefully, they claim to have been using real, live interntal QA test staff for over a year. Now, as someone who has been developing software for over 20 years, I can tell you that the best testing includes the users as well.
However that said, more than one application I've worked on released successfully with no user acceptance testing, and while we did experience problems that would have been caught by them before release, we just fixed the problems afterwards and moved forwards.
Now we know they have several hundred external testers working on the software testing. How much is enough? Is 200 or 300 external testers who actually test more valuable than 10,000 who do nothing but play the game and never file a bug report? I'm thinking, maybe they are.
The only thing they really can't do is properly load test the system, though their are load testing simulators I've used not quite sure how they could be practically applied to an MMO.
Time will tell whether their approach will work better than the recent releases that had large scale open betas yet still released with lots of problems. Could they really do any worse?
Dead on analysis.
I can't for the life of me se how 10.000 l33t 12-yearolds running around in the world dueling would help?
-"ahhh, like dude I kindof sliped off the stone there to the left; right, is it supposed to be like that, like?"
-"dude the guy with the über stick killed me in 2 blows like! that isnt right, right´?"
not going to be like that
You say that now. Hell, even the scant few trailers they've released show warriors running around just spiraling their arms like some kind of sword windmill until something dies and then gliding over to the next thing.
wasnt meant ot show more than what it showed
I never thought I would dislike Tasos more than I did before I read this interview, but alas I have been proven wrong.
He was so unprofessional in this interview, Id like to know how he got this job in the first place. He comes off as snippish, arrogant, and just plain rude. Ive seen front desk clerks in motel 6s come across with more professionalism than this guy can muster.
Frankly I dont think hes cut out for the job, he, like Aventurine has no prior experience, and frankly his attitude isnt helping Darkfall one bit.Seriously I can point you in the direction of some good training vidoes for dealing with the public Tasos, you obviously need help.
I applaud MMORPG.COM for finally busting this guys chops like they should have been years ago. Not only did you get them out there, but you exposed the guy for the unprofessional hack that he really is.
A step in the right direction for Darkfall would be to fire this inexperienced jackanape and get someone in there who can handle tough questions without coming off like a petulant child.
That was a nice interview, thanks mmorpg.com! I have to admit Tasos is pretty good with his words. No wonder he has a huge community to back him up. I rather take straight answers than cute puppy answers, like Gaute had. Always brown nosing.
Let's just hope this game pops out eventually. I have to admit though, this is the first mmorpg I WONT be preordering, no matter how good it sounds. So much rumours around it.
Anyways, +1 to Darkfall and Tasos. Let's see if you can deliver.
I really liked the interview, it was very "Darkfally". It more or less said "If you dont like it...get the *¤#% out!".
Maybe people isnt ready for that kind of attitude? Most people are used to developers saying things that people want to hear. But not Tasos, he said what he was thinking : )
And with all the bullshit Aventurine have taken over the years, i cant bliame him. Soon it might be over. Darkfall is released and everyone can go back to whatever they want.
But the "petulant child" you describe him as is exactly the mentality of his blind faith followers. These immature piss-ants are mostly likely the kind of people who will be playing his game (if it even is playable, yet to be determined).
So he's just basically catering to the lowest common denominator... His fans.
meh most of forumfall thought that it was cool he answerd the way msot people would. just tells me he snot going to crumble under the crying about open pvp and stuf and change the game.
but the good thing is hes not costimer support hes just a guy that gives us updates. if oyu dont like it all well . if the game is good i bet most people dont care what he says as long as it isnt out right lieing
he just answerd honestly and honestly he always been this way i dont really care as long as the game is good and actully works
There will likely not be a pre order. Most pre orders are just scrams to wring more money out of the community. Tasos came out about a year ago and said there will be no special offers or exclusive items, or private play time forcing you into getting a pre order. And GOOD.
But the "petulant child" you describe him as is exactly the mentality of his blind faith followers. These immature piss-ants are mostly likely the kind of people who will be playing his game (if it even is playable, yet to be determined).
So he's just basically catering to the lowest common denominator... His fans.
wow im hurt im actully a very nice person and the people i talk to from the forums are pretty cool to granted some are asses >.>
meh most of forumfall thought that it was cool he answerd the way msot people would. just tells me he snot going to crumble under the crying about open pvp and stuf and change the game.
but the good thing is hes not costimer support hes just a guy that gives us updates. if oyu dont like it all well . if the game is good i bet most people dont care what he says as long as it isnt out right lieing
he just answerd honestly and honestly he always been this way i dont really care as long as the game is good and actully works
A professional would have dealt with the questions without sounding like his ego was hurt. Its not hard to talk about people skeptical of the game without being insulting.
A professional would have dealt with the questions without sounding like his ego was hurt. Its not hard to talk about people skeptical of the game without being insulting.
When Mark Jacobs goes on a rant about how he wants to MURDER gold farmers. Nothing is said.
But after years and years of people denouncing his game just because they were too lazy to do a little research on it, and things were done a little differently, Tasos comes across a little short in his responses, and suddenly he deserves to be fired. Fantastic. I love you trolls. Well, you can't denounce the game's existence anymore, nor the beta, nor release.... so you're reduced to insulting the devs. And some of you are STILL convinced you're on the "right" side by insulting a small indie company trying to pump some life into a dead genre.
You should read the interview before you comment on it. He was slightly defensive when asked two questions that were clearly biased. Go accuse the CEO of any major corporation of deceiving the public and see how they respond. Better yet, turn on CSPN and watch these three guys from The Big Three talk to Congress.
You should also probably quit frequenting Motel 6's if you're going to be conducting training courses on how presidents should do media relations.
You should read the interview before you comment on it. He was slightly defensive when asked two questions that were clearly biased. Go accuse the CEO of any major corporation of deceiving the public and see how they respond. Better yet, turn on CSPN and watch these three guys from The Big Three talk to Congress.
You should also probably quit frequenting Motel 6's if you're going to be conducting training courses on how presidents should do media relations.
Anyone who has ever dont PR, or even customer service would grimace at his attitude. Frankly I dont see many people in CEO positions stooping to slang terminology in response to criticism.
A consumate professional would have addressed the questions without coming off like hes miffed.
The man has no previous experience doing this job, and it shows.
P.S. He shouldnt have been "slightly defensive" he shouldnt have been defensive at all, its not hard to dismiss criticism, or explain the problem in question logically, and without anger.
I can see it now .. Oh but we have a few hundred testers, lets all gather up and try a large scale battle to test _LAG_, Ok perfect looks like we are good. Oh wait geeez, what about the other thousand players on the same server concurrently running around guess we still got lots of _LAG_
I also like how he avoided the release date, and continues to do so. Release date in a few days; in the great words of Ace Ventura ... Hmmm Yeah ... Bumble Bee Tuna!
woot woot, we got a release date!
I can see how. The game might be fun. Why does it matter when it is released? If it is fun, it is worthy of community support.
You say the above as if they owe you something. They have taken zero money from you. You have given nothing to them. I don't see where they 'owe' us a damn thing in regards to their launch.
If they don't get a launch date this year or even early next year, you act as if the greatest mmo lie will have been imposed upon the masses. This is ludicrous. Just because they were wrong about their release, doesn't mean they 'lied' and doesn't mean that you have somehow been swindled. Swindled out of what? You've given them no money, no labor. They don't owe you a damn thing, other than a fun game on release - they certainly don't owe you anything until you are actually paying for a service.
Geez, your tone sounds more like a teenager with a crush on a girl more than an adult waiting on a video game. "If she doesn't call me tonight I don't see how she will have any friends left come Monday. I'll tell everyone about how she stood me up, we'll give her the silent treatment - and THEN she'll pay."
Yes you would be right if you feel slighted, since your kind was attacked by Tasos.
But the "petulant child" you describe him as is exactly the mentality of his blind faith followers. These immature piss-ants are mostly likely the kind of people who will be playing his game (if it even is playable, yet to be determined).
So he's just basically catering to the lowest common denominator... His fans.
you are right in one way.. so exit stage right for you?
Yes you would be right if you feel slighted, since your kind was attacked by Tasos.
Exactly, he exposed himself as unprofessional, and unprepared for the job hes inby doing so. Way to attack instead of recruit the disillusioned.
Who hired this guy anyway?
Anyone who has ever dont PR, or even customer service would grimace at his attitude. Frankly I dont see many people in CEO positions stooping to slang terminology in response to criticism.
A consumate professional would have addressed the questions without coming off like hes miffed.
The man has no previous experience doing this job, and it shows.
P.S. He shouldnt have been "slightly defensive" he shouldnt have been defensive at all, its not hard to dismiss criticism, or explain the problem in question logically, and without anger.
hey guess what?
It's a FFA/PVP Full Loot game, if you think Tasos is to hard for your sencible mind, don't bother playing the game.
And I'll guess you would recommend him to use your own tactics instead of saying that the trolls suck?
Talking around and around never getting to any kind of point.. oh no yuo already accuesed him of doing that and then you said it was a BAD thing..
*sigh of relief* Release date January 22, 2009. I can hear the sound of vaportrolls dying from here.
I did not get that. I actually felt positive about him as a developer. Sounds like he has a passion for game making and a vision that he is not willing to break unlike so many wishy washy game makers today. I for one can't wait to try the game, I will be supporting them by buying a copy.
I am sick of the game makers that build their game to suit the c ries on forums. Always ruins a game.
I'm hoping it will release on this date, but we all know release dates aren't worth the paper they're written on in the MMO industry.
Anyone who has ever dont PR, or even customer service would grimace at his attitude. Frankly I dont see many people in CEO positions stooping to slang terminology in response to criticism.
A consumate professional would have addressed the questions without coming off like hes miffed.
The man has no previous experience doing this job, and it shows.
P.S. He shouldnt have been "slightly defensive" he shouldnt have been defensive at all, its not hard to dismiss criticism, or explain the problem in question logically, and without anger.
I would rather him be a passionate game developer with a vision than a marketing pro that blows smoke up our butts. How about you? I for one am tired of the crap that is churned out today they call MMOPRGs, where their biggest budget is for PR and kissing the customers behind.
Tasos shoots from the hip? Are you serious? The man has been double talking for years, hes inferred beta and release dates, if you have already forgotten he just went back on his '08 release promise.
Im talking about plain old professionalism. The kind that dont use derogitory slang, that dont say "oh the competition is scared". Were not talking about hype and sweet talk, were talking about a man who isnt competent at his job and proved it 100x over in this interview.
His defensive attitude tells me hes not as confident as he wants you to think.
You should read the interview before you comment on it. He was slightly defensive when asked two questions that were clearly biased. Go accuse the CEO of any major corporation of deceiving the public and see how they respond. Better yet, turn on CSPN and watch these three guys from The Big Three talk to Congress.
You should also probably quit frequenting Motel 6's if you're going to be conducting training courses on how presidents should do media relations.
I keep noticing posters defending Tasos. I just have to ask the question, what has this guy done to make you believers? If you sit back and think about it, it is easy to make a case of unbelievability against this guy. He has no success record, not one of his statements can be backed up with proof, as no game to date has been kept under such a cloud of secrecy as this one. Past history shows promises never kept, and a consistent me against the world attitude.
The only thing I can come up with is that you are a bunch of very gullible people desperate for something new on the MMO front. I can emphasize that, every new game that comes out seems to be a weak clone of the others. It would be really nice to experience something different. I really do hope Aventurine can pull this off. It is time for a indie company to wake up the copycats to their errors.
But defending Tasos in this interview is an exercise in futility. All I see is a very defensive spoiled child here. Not what you should be portraying to the public trying to win their trust.
All we can do is wait and see when the game releases and hope the game is actually worth playing because up to this point I am not willing to take Tasos's word on anything.
I'm glad he was asked direct questions about the game being Vaporware. I would have preferred he said "I have been an MMORPG gamer since UO or EQ and have played most of them out there, trust me, this game is what MMORPG players want", but the defensive answer can be justified if the game turns to to be decent. I keep worrying about how Indie this game is, but even if the tech behind it is 5 years old I'll be happy to have the first UO-clone MMORPG since UO(maybe Shadowbane as well).
I keep noticing posters defending Tasos. I just have to ask the question, what has this guy done to make you believers? If you sit back and think about it, it is easy to make a case of unbelievability against this guy. He has no success record, not one of his statements can be backed up with proof, as no game to date has been kept under such a cloud of secrecy as this one. Past history shows promises never kept, and a consistent me against the world attitude.
The only thing I can come up with is that you are a bunch of very gullible people desperate for something new on the MMO front. I can emphasize that, every new game that comes out seems to be a weak clone of the others. It would be really nice to experience something different. I really do hope Aventurine can pull this off. It is time for a indie company to wake up the copycats to their errors.
But defending Tasos in this interview is an exercise in futility. All I see is a very defensive spoiled child here. Not what you should be portraying to the public trying to win their trust.
All we can do is wait and see when the game releases and hope the game is actually worth playing because up to this point I am not willing to take Tasos's word on anything.
Frankly I dont think Tasos has the predisposition or even the personality to hold the position within this company that he does.
Honestly I think I could have handled this interview better than he did. I wouldnt have resorted to deragatory slang, or said companies are afraid of mine, or said any number of the jaw dropping, arrogant things he threw out there. Unbelievable, this company needs all the respect they can garner considering where they stand, and here this guy is, making them look even worse at a time when they need to look as professional and poised as they can.
You know whats funny, Taco here sounds just like someone elese.
Brad McQuaid.
No . . . what is funny here is all the trolls trying to backstep
And Brad McQuaid was the last developer that had vision and a passion for MMORPGs. You enjoy your generic pop star churned out soulless games of today? I sure do not. I miss EQ, that game had passion. It is dated now and ruined by expansions but it was the last of MMORPGs with heart.
Vanguard failed because Brad McQuaid is no business man and he shouldn't have tried to run a company. He should stay the artist he is by creating games that have heart and soul.
If this fellow is like Brad, then I can't wait to play this game. If your comment about Brad was suppose to be negative, I don't see it that way. That man knows how to create a fantastic MMORPG. The MMORPGs of today do not compare to the depth of EQ to this day. Sure they are pretty but lack substance.
And Brad McQuaid was the last developer that had vision and a passion for MMORPGs. You enjoy your generic pop star churned out soulless games of today? I sure do not. I miss EQ, that game had passion. It is dated now and ruined by expansions but it was the last of MMORPGs with heart.
Vanguard failed because Brad McQuaid is no business man and he shouldn't have tried to run a company. He should stay the artist he is by creating games that have heart and soul.
If this fellow is like Brad, then I can't wait to play this game. If your comment about Brad was suppose to be negative, I don't see it that way. That man knows how to create a fantastic MMORPG. The MMORPGs of today do not compare to the depth of EQ to this day. Sure they are pretty but lack substance.
Yeah I look up to Brad too, he didnt have the "heart" to be the one to tell his employees in the buildings parkinglot that they were all fired and had 15 minutes to clear out their desks. Nice of him to keep consultant pay with SOE while everyone else got axed too, real gentleman.
Theyve both contributed to the overall negative atmosphere that is so prevalent in the genre these days.
Well, most people dont like arrogance. Some do. Some also do like when people talk to them dirty, when they have mouth-plug and they are getting whiped by a leather whip. To me, Tasos was the one whipping. And I didn't like that. Now if he were a hot chick in a tight leather cat suit... mmmmm
So your saying you trust a guy like this.
"hey I see you build cars?"
"Yeah... I am building it myself... really fantastic want to know more?"
"Sure what's so special about it?"
"Well for starters we are revolutionizing the auto industry. My car gets 10 times the MPG of other cars, fits 32 people, and will last for 50 years without repair, all for the same size and price of cars on the market today."
"Wow... That sounds impressive. How many cars have you designed before?"
"None... this is our flagship model... I did go to school online and learned how to build them though..."
"Um... OK... well how long have you been working on this car?"
"The car has been in production for 5 years now... pretty standard for development really."
"But your sign over there says you have been in business for 8 years..."
"Oh we have... There were these small time mechanics that thought up the car, but it wasn't until later that we really got motivated so those first few years don't count."
"Um... OK... well how close are you to finishing it?"
"Glad you asked... the car actually is ready... We have been driving it around the backyard for years. All the systems work great in it too."
"Can I see it?"
"Nope... While it is completely ready and I can't stress that enough... We are waiting on a company to distribute the car... They are really slow and we have to try and get them up to speed."
"Well how many people have tested the car?"
"Another great question! Most of the testing has been done by computers plugged into it. We feel this is a great substitute for actual drivers. Our computers are nothing like you have seen before... We have revolutionized those too."
"Wait... no one has driven it then?"
"That's not what I said... Yes... there have been a few drivers. I really can't discuss it right now though, but I can tell you that they all loved it."
"So I can't see it, I can't drive it, it is better then any car on the market today, everything used to test it is revolutionary, but you have had no prior experience... is that correct?"
"Yup... fantastic car... When we do release it, the market will forever be changed."
"And your doing this out of your 1 car garage...."
"Absolutely!"
"What about all those people across the street with picket signs?"
"Oh.. You noticed them? They are jealous because our car is so great."
"But they have not seen it yet..."
"Nope! They can just sense the greatness and are just lashing out... They just want us to fail... don't ask me why."
"Thanks for your time... I think I will wait across the street with them to see what happens."
"Go ahead... Obviously my greatness is too much for you and you hate out of fear."
"Sure... what ever makes you sleep at night."
That sounds about right for the past 4 - 5 years. Like I said before... Tasos = Smedley
Wow...one thing is quite evident from this interview and that's Tasos is quite confident of his product.
That leads me to one of two conclusions... Darkfall with either be a huge hit or a gigantic flop. I remember this type of confidence from Brad M prior to Vanguard's release. Let's hope Tasos & company actually delivers..
If he can deliver we're in for quite a title.
Umm hello? knock knock anyone home? :D :D it matters A LOT !
Not to mention the obvious...Developers DO READ forums,weather you choose to believe it or not.They are for the most part told to NOT respond or get involved in forums ,but yes they do read them.Forums OFTEN do force/discuss content being changed by developers,the released product is NOT the final end all.I am in a game right now that has become hotly discussed over some of it's mechanics ,and the DEVS have already made two changes and more are expected.
I have seen in a very short time ,the MMORPG community become a LOT more educated as to how and what developers are doing.This goes a long way in people trusting developers and weather or not we the consumer are willing to fork out cash BEFORE the game is released OR even after it is released.There is a large group of people now that want to see a free trial or some better evidence these guys can produce and not just talk.We saw the PROMISE of DnL,it sounded looked to be amazing/promising,then ends up a failure.
Plain and simple ,people are a lot smarter now because of forums,they learn a lot from other people and about other games,and alot about developers.People have also become a lot more educated in READING BETWEEN THE LINES,they can gather fact from fiction.Forums are VERY helpful in a LOT of ways.
Even this simple QA has shed some light nobody would know about if not for this forum,they said WORD COMING out in a few days.If not for the constant discussion over this game,i doubt the QA would have even taken place ,or these direct questions would have even been asked.
Anyone who has ever dont PR, or even customer service would grimace at his attitude. Frankly I dont see many people in CEO positions stooping to slang terminology in response to criticism.
A consumate professional would have addressed the questions without coming off like hes miffed.
The man has no previous experience doing this job, and it shows.
P.S. He shouldnt have been "slightly defensive" he shouldnt have been defensive at all, its not hard to dismiss criticism, or explain the problem in question logically, and without anger.
Sigh...you are determined to complain about his attitude over and over and over. Just how many posts are you going to make complaining about it? (you have to be up to several dozen now)
I'm sorry he hurt your feelings, or shocked and horrfied you with his "bad attitude", or didn't come off as a PR flack for EA, but you'll just have to get over it. The EMO attitude doesn't become you.
This game will either be good, and people will play it, or it will suck , and people won't play it.
This interview or Tasos attitude will have little to do with the ultimate success of the game.
you mean 100% of ALL developers do you not?
If not,please post for us the last time a developer came out and said "OUR game is crap ,it is not ready" "Please do not buy our game it is unpolished" "We will not be ready for our promised launch but i am sure you will be happy with what we are selling you in the meantime""The game will not look as good as it does in the scripted videos,i hope we fooled you into buying our product" .
Ok enough already i am sure i got the point across?in other words your statement is one sided and pointing all of gaming issues on one person?Mr.McQuaid has NOTHING to do with this game in any relevance,no more so than any other game.The ONLY difference between McQuaid and other developers is he took part in forums,others hide and do not.
How were those questions all negative? They were perfectly legitimate questions that many people have been asking about the game for quite some time and I thought that Tasos did a fine job of answering them.
We are INCREDIBLY interested in Darkfall(and all new MMOs for that matter). Not to sound rude, I eman you';re entitled to your opinion, but would you have preferred I ask what his favorite color was?
They were not negative at all. And ultimately, the answers are the same old stuff from DF. We are going to see very, very shortly if this is all nonsense.
And to you DF-religious-fanatics, I don't know how many times people have to say this, but here it is again:
The skepticism surrounding this game is based entirely on the development cycle, the pathetic release of info on the game, the lack of real "previews" by any credible gaming outlet, the lack of "showing the game off" at conferences, the absurdity of ZERO "beta leaks", etc, etc, etc......I could fill an entire page on it. They have created it. There are people who are skeptical just for the hell of it, but in this case, the developers have made their bed. The spetics are using common sense and reason. Period.
This thread is one with the highest postcount ever in the news section.
it's amusing that you spent the time to type all that out but forgot to include the facts:
1) numerous people outside of Aventurine have played the game, and are playing it right now.
2) there is abundant information, screenshots and videos of the game in the public domain
L2google.
If he can't do a proper job with PR, what makes you think he can do a proper job with anything else? He is an official representative of DF, but he acted like a regular forum user. Makes me wonder if his company and his game is also a creation of a regular forum user, as in - it is all in his mind, as in - it is all made up, as in - it is vaporware.
it's amusing that you spent the time to type all that out but forgot to include the facts:
1) numerous people outside of Aventurine have played the game, and are playing it right now.
2) there is abundant information, screenshots and videos of the game in the public domain
L2google.
Numerous people that are not a respectable website or magazine that wrote a review/preview is not a number at all.
Numerous people that are not a respectable website or magazine that wrote a review/preview is not a number at all.
well they had mentioend a Italianc group had come in played and got a few screenies. and full report go read it on DF forums if not stop trolling , and kinda noticed ur a WoW player as well then i guess u wont bother reading the report then.
And they need that for several years? o.O
Sorry, not a reason.
But hey, I'm patient. I'm sure we'll get something this month. be it an announcement or even release. I'll be happy to see where it goes.
Honestly, do you really think they stayed focused for seven years on just that aspect of the games developement? It's common knowlodge they developed their own inhouse game engine to run the game on. That alone adds 3 to 4 years to a develpement cycle.
words... the thing a interview is made off.
I'm going to play it, whenever it comes out. Been watching all these comments, and it's classic groupthink haterade. No matter what this guy tasos says or does, some of you will put a negative spin/find fault with it. You have to know the game exists, FFS..no idea if it will be good, but to continually repeat BS and slam the guy..wow..
Very cocky lol. We will see...
To those who say they won't play because Tasos came off as rude or because they feel they've been lied to: Grow up. None of this pre-release nonsense is going to matter if/when the game comes out. If it's good, people will play it. If all your friends start playing, I'd like to see you stick to your promise to boycott it because the devs "offended" you.
To those who say DF should allow big media in to test the game for free publicity: Uh, why? It seems to me that not doing this is getting them quite a bit of publicity. At least, that's what all your purposeless raving seems to indicate. Personally, I don't think anyone is in a position to criticize Aventurine's PR stance. They spent approximately nothing, and via vague announcements and morsel-by-morsel information releases, they've accumulated an enormous community with plenty of word-of-mouth power. Publicizing their game at this point would probably, at best, have next to no effect. At worst, it could sabotage the popularity of their game (if, say, it's not as polished inside as we've been led to believe).
Before a game is released, all the devs are responsible for is ensuring people are talking about their game. Look at how popular this thread is and tell me they've failed.
lol at people that say they wont play the game because they feel Tasos wasn't nice. That's not the way it works. Who here doesn't shop at walmart cuz theyre assholes and make ppl of third world countries work for pennies ? A small minority ! And the same can be said for most big companies out there, even though we know theyre assholes, we buy it because we like the product.
There are 2 ways of selling your crap. Putting all your energy in advertisement, selling preorders and stuff like that, even though your product sucks. (DnL anyone ?) Or putting your energy in making a good product and relying on word to mouth as your publicity. Darkfall doesn't sell preorders, and they have been clear that they will use a "Try before you buy" formula, something very few games dare to do these days.
When Darkfall releases, (WHEN, since there is now an official date) and if it scores a 8.5 or more /10, will you still be playing it even though you think he was a prick ? Yes. And if not, well youll still be the one missing out and noone will care.
Everyone bow down to our Messiah Tasos, bringer of our holy savior Darkfall Online....
lol
you mean 100% of ALL developers do you not?
If not,please post for us the last time a developer came out and said "OUR game is crap ,it is not ready" "Please do not buy our game it is unpolished" "We will not be ready for our promised launch but i am sure you will be happy with what we are selling you in the meantime""The game will not look as good as it does in the scripted videos,i hope we fooled you into buying our product" .
Ok enough already i am sure i got the point across?in other words your statement is one sided and pointing all of gaming issues on one person?Mr.McQuaid has NOTHING to do with this game in any relevance,no more so than any other game.The ONLY difference between McQuaid and other developers is he took part in forums,others hide and do not.
Nope. He’s a special case. Apparently you didn’t follow the fiasco
Sweet, so now you only have to wait 3 more years after they announce the release date
Never thought I would agree with Bloodworth on anything, but he hit the nail on the head.
How many post are you going to make defending Taco?
Gosh. What a lot of replies. I certainly didn't bother to read any of the 300++ replies that preceded mine.
To anyone who actually bothers reading this post, I have three words: BEWARE, BUT HOPE.
I have followed Darkfall's development for a long time. In that time I've seen Aventurine make a lot of outrageous claims: the game has been stable and feature complete for over a year; the game has more content than WoW; naval combat is better than Pirates of the Burning Seas; mounted combat is similar to Mount & Blade; the AI is so good the game debugs itself, etc. The game promises so much, but how can it deliver? Do the developers seriously believe that a short, closed beta is all that is needed to prepare the game for prime time?
Unless you wish to lose some cash, fast, don't buy this game right off. Wait for the reviews. Wait for a lot of reviews. If the game gets good reviews, I'll be the first person to push you out of line so I can buy a copy. But until then, I'll just shake my head at the fools that rush out to buy this game.
PS there was an error in the news article. Darkfall development started in 2001, not 2003. Indeed, the first initial release date was 2003.
What's funny is people keep saying that Tasos' attitude does not matter once the game is released. This couldn't be further from the truth.
Think about it. Game is released. It's horrible. (Think DnL horrible) people start leaving in droves and everyone posts that the game needs major fixes. It's not fun, there's major issues with the gameplay, etc. And how does Tasos respond?
"Shut up trolls, our game is the best ever!"
6 months later Darkfall closes it's doors and we continue to get the watered down linear games that we've been getting for years.
Do you understand my point? I WANT Darkfall to succeed. I'm not even sure if I'll be playing it, but I WANT it to do better than any other game out there. Do you know why? So we can get some freaking real MMO games back into this genre!
Tasos' holier than thou attitude is not conductive to changing a failing product based on legitimate criticism. This is what worries me.
No error in the news article.
Just confirmation of what we have been trying to explain to people for awhile now about the development of the game that will be played on January 22nd, 2009.
People can make an arguement for 2001 all they want but the fact is that the current game they are working on started in 2003...5 years of development...
Ill take the word of a developer over forum randos anyday.
And yes this thread was amazingly long and has been kind of forgotten with the release date being announced today.
No error in the news article.
Just confirmation of what we have been trying to explain to people for awhile now about the development of the game that will be played on January 22nd, 2009.
People can make an arguement for 2001 all they want but the fact is that the current game they are working on started in 2003...5 years of development...
Ill take the word of a developer over forum randos anyday.
Not an error perhaps, but certainly they're playing semantic games. It might not be the same game, but Darkfall was been in the public eye since 2001 and that's where most people start their clocks. But semantic games are nothing new unfortunately, esp. because the community lets developers play them instead of calling to the facts. And if you don't trust a forum rando how about some proof.
http://rpgvaultarchive.ign.com/features/interviews/darkfall.shtml
Good to hear about the release date, it's like the ending to an epic tale is about to come to a conclusion -one way or another.
Too damn right. I am so sick to death of the current WoW/EQ/WAR MMO-formula. Yes yes, each one is a little bit different but the guts of each one is the same.
Well, the Release date news is great, January 22nd is the day.
As far as the Interview is concerned I enjoyed it, some very pointy questions there, and honestly some of Tasos replies actually made me smile.
Is he being defensive, yes I would agree with that, then on the other hand if I try to put myself in his place I would most probably be replying the same.
Believe it or not there is tremendous pressure from the industry, and Tasos, I consider him a Maverick rather than a Brad McQuaid "holyer than thou" attitude.
Will it last will it perpetuate, only Tasos knows, yet, for a Company that does things differently, and that has had to realise a grand vision with limited resources (aka money), seeming somewhat aggressive is also a good thing, as I said, a Maverick.
I only have one worry about this game, it is the FPS approach to combat, but other than that, I played UO for 5 years, longer than any of the MMOG's that followed it till today and I played a fair share till today with my friends and guild from UO, 11 years we have been together, and UO takes the credit for these lasting friendships, I can only wish that Darkfall will do the same, and if it does, then in my eyes it would have succeeded.
We are witnessing a renaissance, of the MMORPW (Massivelly Multiplayer Role Playing World), because that is what DF aims to be, a Living breathing World (wither it will appeal to many or few is not important), what is important is that the many of today will get the opportunity to know once more what it is supposed to be about.
I wish all to find lasting Fun with a purpose once more, a purpose that transcends paying a ticket and embarking on to a ride part of a themepark. Darkfall is a playground, meant for immaginative and creative fun, as it should be!
Cheers!
it's amusing that you spent the time to type all that out but forgot to include the facts:
1) numerous people outside of Aventurine have played the game, and are playing it right now.
2) there is abundant information, screenshots and videos of the game in the public domain
L2google.
Learn to comprehend.
My point was that Tasos has been horrible for DF. He has come off as a con-artist (even though the game is real), which brings up more negative questions then there should be. His ATTITUDE of secrecy and self absorbed megalomania has cause much of the backlash in these types of forums.
He said that the game was feature complete and ready to play almost 2 years ago. He has repeated that sentiment several times since then and wonders why people question the validity oh his words when they have failed to let people play (up to a few weeks ago). Is there any wonder why so many people are skeptical?
What Tasos completely misses in the interview is that while many games are in development for 5+ years... typically they do not anounce anything concrete until a couple of years before release. 5+ years in the public spotlight with talking points about how revolutionary the game play will be can cause a backlash of doubt.
I WANT DF to succeed, but there should be no delusions about Tasos. He is no gamer god... He is not even experienced at his job. Would you let a medical student that just got his diploma do brain surgery on you?
Learn to comprehend.
My point was that Tasos has been horrible for DF. He has come off as a con-artist (even though the game is real), which brings up more negative questions then there should be. His ATTITUDE of secrecy and self absorbed megalomania has cause much of the backlash in these types of forums.
He said that the game was feature complete and ready to play almost 2 years ago. He has repeated that sentiment several times since then and wonders why people question the validity oh his words when they have failed to let people play (up to a few weeks ago). Is there any wonder why so many people are skeptical?
What Tasos completely misses in the interview is that while many games are in development for 5+ years... typically they do not anounce anything concrete until a couple of years before release. 5+ years in the public spotlight with talking points about how revolutionary the game play will be can cause a backlash of doubt.
I WANT DF to succeed, but there should be no delusions about Tasos. He is no gamer god... He is not even experienced at his job. Would you let a medical student that just got his diploma do brain surgery on you?
I would like to see Tasos' credentials, where he went to school what his GPA was etc etc. We already know this is his first at bat at this type of job, Id like to see where hes been in the past, and find out how exactly he even landed this job with no experience.
Release date now 2009. Until you have a game ready, pls shut your piehole Darkfall.
Your lies are getting mildly annoying.
all I read what waaa waaa our commuity is the shizzle and everyong else can suck it...lol If I see a release date next week I MIGHT just start beliveing this game is more than thin air.
This is what his profile says on LinkedIn.
* Harvard University Extension School
* WSU
Harvard would be impressive except the Extension school are online courses...
WSU is ofcourse Washington State University.
What he studied I am not sure... most likely a business degree.
So the game is ready to launch but it hasn't, he wont disclose the number of beta testers. Tasos also asked what game development time people are comparing Darkfall to, and the answer is ANY GAME TOOK LESS TIME TO DEVELOP THAN DARKFALL. And saying that Darkfall has generated some buzz but yet has no real marketing strategy (or any fucking money to market) is not an oxymoron, it's a fact. Tasos need to stop trying to work his way around the questions , and ANSWER THEM!
Firstly, just because a game is ready to launch doesn't mean they can just go 'k gaiz tomarow is launch date lolz'. They need to setup servers with a third party, manufacturing of discs with a third party, etc.
Word of mouth IS their marketing strategy at this point, they know it and they've said it. People like you who are so passionate about making sure everyone hears about their skepticism only fuels the fire. So... thanks i guess
You are partially correct. Servers do have to be installed and tested, but once a company is designated, the actual work to get a functioning server is pretty fast. Considering the reputation of the company they chose, I would say a couple of production servers could be completed within 2 weeks and that is with testing.
You are wrong on one point however. Since every fanboi and his mother claim DF will be free to try before purchase they will have to go with a digital distribution. No need for a 3rd party company to create disks except maybe for "collector editions".
Over all if the game was production ready as Tasos claims, they must have already tested it out on a production server (stress tests), which means there is no reason to delay release. Every day they delay is revenue lost. No company would willingly shelf a functioning product for even a month if they were as confident as Tasos projects.
The game has not been extensively tested and definitely not stressed the way it should. Hopefully that will change between now and release.
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Darkfall could launch today. It's more ready for launch than most, if not all of the MMORPG titles at the same stage that I've personally sampled and it has been for quite some time.
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So uh, great respose. "that I've personally sampled"..very subjective.
The guy is too defensive to me.
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We're not going to depend on playtesters for everything...the game is already tested.
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I wish the best of luck to the DF team, BUT I will laugh so damn hard when it's released and totally bugs start to appear.
Sounds to me he'd give his life for his game, which makes him a bad salesman unless he has a PERFECT product. And I've come to realize there's never such thing.
Let's see how this plays out. :)
This guys answers are very condescending. This guy is acting like a douche isn't he?
the feeling is just because you arent used to dealing with eurotrash. he acts like every other euro-pion out there. really the #1 export of the uk is snarky attitudes.
I don't know if his nationality has anything to do with it. But I do agree that he has a very bad attitude. And that will give a bad first impression to some which is never a good thing.
Well I am the of the same nationality with Tasos (both Greek) and I have to say that he is a douche. That's by no means the attitude greeks have... he is too full of himself.
About the euro trash comment, QQ more :P
Look guys, I am greek, I would love to see a greek company like adventurine succeed, but there are promising too much, have limited resources and limited experience. We dont even have a solid software industry in greece, since all software is essentially imported. They post no pics and no vids.I can't see how they can pull it off. My opinion is that DF will dissapoint a lot of people here and will mark the end of sandbox mmos.
But hey I could be wrong.
hehe
omg Darkfall provides like half of this site's entertainment value. I can't wait till it gets released lol.
I'm European and a lot fo Europeans are very modest people. This person does in no way represent Greeks, nor does he represent Europeans.
I would take offense if you thought otherwise because there are many awesome people here, just like there are in the US.
Vaporware is a somewhat derogatory term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product.
how exactly are war and aoc vaporware? it would apply to a game that has been in development for a much longer period than other games.
i don't believe vapor, trolls or the combination of "vaportroll" means what you think they mean.
this.
too bad all the so-called fanbois crying/whining "vaportroll" don't remember playing games like uo back in 97/98. then they might understand what the quoted means.
just out of curiousity... in the interview... did the guy ever go "hey, i want to talk about these cool features we have" or try to promote anything about the game itself?
another good post, summarizes the thinking of a lot of us folk labeled as "vaporware trolls".
fanbois only hurt games, both short term and long term. look at the laundry list of games to which fanboi'ism has directly contributed to the downfall...
Tasos Interview 2009 : "what? I said in '08 as in 3008. Puny Mortals. Only if you follow me blindly will you be around to play it , "
You fanbois are the reason cults are so easy to start....
How do you expect to be taken even remotely seriously when you don't even make sense and start cursing?
what the hell is an echo maniac? That's not even a typo...that's just stupidity.
i would thoroughly enjoy answers to the questions asked, which actually made sense.
alas, we got what we got instead.
what's funnier is the end of the trailer which states that darkfall will be released in 2008.
but, it's not the first time for this game, is it?
what's funnier is the end of the trailer which states that darkfall will be released in 2008.
but, it's not the first time for this game, is it?
Going back on the release date again? Theres your backstepping.
Didn't AOC say the same thing??? Look where that got them at release...
C. Don't try and develop a game with $200,000 because it is an impossible task?
That isn't what was stated.
They are saying that if they had 200,000 leftover towards the end of the development -
Would they use it touch up a lot of things or use it to shamefully hype the game.
Just an example obviously, no real numbers floating around.
Anyone who has ever dont PR, or even customer service would grimace at his attitude. Frankly I dont see many people in CEO positions stooping to slang terminology in response to criticism.
A consumate professional would have addressed the questions without coming off like hes miffed.
The man has no previous experience doing this job, and it shows.
P.S. He shouldnt have been "slightly defensive" he shouldnt have been defensive at all, its not hard to dismiss criticism, or explain the problem in question logically, and without anger.
hey guess what?
It's a FFA/PVP Full Loot game, if you think Tasos is to hard for your sencible mind, don't bother playing the game.
And I'll guess you would recommend him to use your own tactics instead of saying that the trolls suck?
Talking around and around never getting to any kind of point.. oh no yuo already accuesed him of doing that and then you said it was a BAD thing..
coming from someone that's played UO during the dread lord days and that has been playing eve online for a while now... tasos doesn't strike me as hardcore at all. unprofessional is a good term however. he's the face of the company to the (potential) customer base. do you want to hear crap like "no whining in the red circle" from him if the game ever gets to retail?
am i missing the ingame footage which actually shows a lot of the "stuff" that i see on the darkfall website? something like 17 minutes of a video and all i saw was typical classes. i didn't see where anyone crossed over to anything outside of a standard fantasy class.
i keep "hearing" a lot of stuff about this supposed game. not seeing it. seeing a lot of fanbois hyping the game to expectations that can't be met, especially by vaporware. i would love to be proved wrong. would love to. would love for a great game to come out. not holding my breath on it being this game.
seriously, posts like this amaze me.
Going back on the release date again? Theres your backstepping.
the release date was changed.
never said i believed that a quality game would ever come from this. nor did i stated i believed that a game that's playable would be released. nor did i state that i believe that anything will be released into retail at all.
but, let's get a couple of things straight and in plain english so that anyone can understand, shall we?
a LOT of the vaporware trolls have called the game vaporware because of the ZERO information released over the years. a LOT of the supposed vaporware trolls have been following the game for YEARS longer than the so-called fanbois.
making a couple of posts on some random forum about how you're some super fanboi, doesn't mean anything to anyone ever. ever.
i hope a game like what is listed on the website for darkfall would be released.
after the history of THIS game, and the obvious inconsistencies in the handful of public statements (which we've really just gotten this year), i honestly doubt darkfall will be that game.
but believe me when i say that every post over-hyping darkfall, made by fanbois, the same fanbois that over-hyped vanguard, aoc, and all the other games.... those posts are doing far more harm than anything a so-called vaporware troll could.
and by the by, did you notice on tasos' april interview where he stated that they would not ever miss a release date? he didn't state "again", but with a january '09 release date, it seems he has forgotten what is on the lil trailer they released. honest?
but please go on, harping on that cutesy little term "vaporware troll". it's so becoming.
400 posts and maybe 20 are half decent. can we please lock this thread and move on?
Don't think there is any news that have more posts than this one.
what?
So i'm really curious, can you share those iternal subscribers numbers you somehow got with the rest of us? Because to make a claim that war is a flop, you must have some insider info considering there hasn't been any public numbers released except for the 800k registered users PR. So tell us the subscriber numbers you have that led you to believe its a flop. I would love to see it, oh thats right. You cannot provide such a thing. You made it up to try to prove a point. Realistic stance haha, make believe stance is more like it considering your spouting out make belief information.
wohooo finally its here, behind the doors. Iam so very exited. A complex game, freedom gameplay, skillbased and meaningful pvp. Death hurts aye? Yay
cant wait.
Wow, Tasos is a jerk. All the "trolling is getting to him so he has to act all defensive. It's ok though because df is gonna fail big time and he'll be poor.
you wanna bet?
sure id love to bet...cuz look around you...look at all of the so called "hardcore" MMOs we have now. DF will just be another small time mmo that casual players will stroll through to see how crappy it is. They wont get rich off of this game at all. I cant wait to see this game fall over after it launches lol.
I've read alot of posts that keep talking about the lack of advertisment and his response to word of mouth. If anyone has ever played Ultima Online, then they damn well know word of mouth is the BEST way to reel people in. I played UO for 7 years. I myself got at least 20 people playing it, in turn they told their friends, so on and so forth. It also makes you feel more connected to the game.. like it's your game.
I liked that he was real in his answers and thought the questions was pretty much what needed to be asked. I want this game to succeed. There is alot of into, alot of screenshots and a good bit of gameplay in the videos I have seen. Looks like it's ready to me. If he wants to take more time, that's cool with me. It needs to be a smooth launch so that it doesn't go the way of Vanguard and many others.
Also, I read in the beta forums a release date of Jan 22, 2009, for Europe. NA can play it, not sure when it will be released in NA though. I haven't read all the posts so I wasn't sure if that had been mentioned yet.
After reading this interview I am more worried than ever. The ego of Tasos is quite see through. They are milking investors and will end up folding ala dark and light. Egos match, don't say fatgamer didn't tell you so when it happens.
another good post, summarizes the thinking of a lot of us folk labeled as "vaporware trolls".
fanbois only hurt games, both short term and long term. look at the laundry list of games to which fanboi'ism has directly contributed to the downfall...
That´s EXACTLY my feeling.. I fear that the POSSIBLE incompetence of Tasos & cia. (and I believe on it, after every new interview of Tasos, I sense a lot of b* and very little logic behind his actions) would hurt the ´complex MMO´ world, since DF was constructed as the holy grail of this kind of game (complex, sandbox, etc..), exactly as D&L was... And then the easy-go MMO players (know as Will of Weaks) will tell tht its impossible nowdays a complex, open word, that people need to be drive and do not want to think... And will miss the real point of the possible failure of DF and D&L, the utter incompetence of the dev team due to a major ego problem...
That´s EXACTLY my feeling.. I fear that the POSSIBLE incompetence of Tasos & cia. (and I believe on it, after every new interview of Tasos, I sense a lot of b* and very little logic behind his actions) would hurt the ´complex MMO´ world, since DF was constructed as the holy grail of this kind of game (complex, sandbox, etc..), exactly as D&L was... And then the easy-go MMO players (know as Will of Weaks) will tell tht its impossible nowdays a complex, open word, that people need to be drive and do not want to think... And will miss the real point of the possible failure of DF and D&L, the utter incompetence of the dev team due to a major ego problem...
The only ones with big egos running around here are the likes of you. Who the f. are you and what did you contribute to the MMO-world arena?
huh?
Guess nothing is the word you are looking for, hurts dosen't it?
Good question. We'll let you answer it for starters. Or do you have nothing as well, therefore making your little jab worthless, petty, hypocritical, and downright pathetic?
Take your time to gather all of your references/accomplishments/contributions to the "MMO-world arena".
The only ones with big egos running around here are the likes of you. Who the f. are you and what did you contribute to the MMO-world arena?
huh?
Guess nothing is the word you are looking for, hurts dosen't it?
Good question. We'll let you answer it for starters. Or do you have nothing as well, therefore making your little jab worthless, petty, hypocritical, and downright pathetic?
Take your time to gather all of your references/accomplishments/contributions to the "MMO-world arena".
haha.. nice try, really nice..
for the record, I am not the one saying that Tasos is hurting the mmo-community here.
Since the above poster was doing just that, I asked about his credetials in making that statement, since I suspect he just pulled it out of his ass.
so I don't have to prove myself.
Since you asked, maby you could start? I'll just pass the bucket to your ass..
You, however, is the only one asking for ´credentials´... Which is pretty pathetic... This is a FORUM, everyone in here is ´pulling it out of our asses´ if you havent noticed. The main difference between you and those, are not the ´credentials´, but the utterly lack of understanding of what is a forum. A forum is a place to discuss ideas, agree with those or not. Attacking the ones who have put his idea on a forum is simply stupid, asking for his ´credentials of the ´MMO-world arena´ is stupid AND egocentric.
Its like when someone tells that did not like the soup and you ask him ´what his crdentials for the world cuisine´... Those lines put there are MY idea, and not mine only. Wanna comment them, fine... Dont have how to do it (for lack of arguments or intelligence)? then do not post in here instead of argumenting ´ad hominen´ (Attacking the one who made the statement since the statement itself cant be attacked), its jut too low, even for a MMO forum.
The difference, also between you and Tasos is, taht Tasos is doing that for the money (of course, and thats not a critic, far from that, its something totally expected, he is selling his game), but you are doing because...? Oh, yeah, to save the ´honor´ of the game of people like me... No, dont worry, I am not asking for your credentials of the ´world mmo-arena´, I would just sound stupid...
By the way, this ´pause´ in the real discussion was healthy because made me remember something that I havent spoke of yey. Worst than good concepts going bad because of bad developers is the fanboys who support them. Fanboys are the cancer of any wannabe-complex-and-good-MMO, because they feed the egos of the wrong people of MMO industry, blind the market for the truth and utterly destroy any hope of a good game, for their irrational behavior.
It was the first interview of this guy I've read. And I haven't followed DF for zillion years like most of mmorpg.com. So I can say I'm pretty fresh and unbiased. And I haven't seen any cockyness and prickness in this interview. To tell the true I agree with guy and could tell pretty much the same if I was him.
Where are all those "big MMORPGs" with their huge marketing budgets? Where is AoC? Tabula Rasa? Vanguard? WAR to the some extent? And I can't remember a big marketing campaign for WoW. Yes Blizzard spent some money but "word of mouse" did so much more. People've been playing WoW not because marketing but because it's great.
I bet if DF will turn out to be great we'll see alotta marketing. But no points to ad a game people don't wanna play. DF's developers not sure so far how good or bad people will be on the game so they (developers) just doing their best to make a good one. Everything other can wait.
haha.. nice try, really nice..
for the record, I am not the one saying that Tasos is hurting the mmo-community here.
Since the above poster was doing just that, I asked about his credetials in making that statement, since I suspect he just pulled it out of his ass.
so I don't have to prove myself.
Since you asked, maby you could start? I'll just pass the bucket to your ass..
You, however, is the only one asking for ´credentials´... Which is pretty pathetic... This is a FORUM, everyone in here is ´pulling it out of our asses´ if you havent noticed. The main difference between you and those, are not the ´credentials´, but the utterly lack of understanding of what is a forum. A forum is a place to discuss ideas, agree with those or not. Attacking the ones who have put his idea on a forum is simply stupid, asking for his ´credentials of the ´MMO-world arena´ is stupid AND egocentric.
Its like when someone tells that did not like the soup and you ask him ´what his crdentials for the world cuisine´... Those lines put there are MY idea, and not mine only. Wanna comment them, fine... Dont have how to do it (for lack of arguments or intelligence)? then do not post in here instead of argumenting ´ad hominen´ (Attacking the one who made the statement since the statement itself cant be attacked), its jut too low, even for a MMO forum.
The difference, also between you and Tasos is, taht Tasos is doing that for the money (of course, and thats not a critic, far from that, its something totally expected, he is selling his game), but you are doing because...? Oh, yeah, to save the ´honor´ of the game of people like me... No, dont worry, I am not asking for your credentials of the ´world mmo-arena´, I would just sound stupid...
By the way, this ´pause´ in the real discussion was healthy because made me remember something that I havent spoke of yey. Worst than good concepts going bad because of bad developers is the fanboys who support them. Fanboys are the cancer of any wannabe-complex-and-good-MMO, because they feed the egos of the wrong people of MMO industry, blind the market for the truth and utterly destroy any hope of a good game, for their irrational behavior.
Incase you don't know how this works here's a quicklist for you:
1. You make a statement; in this case a future-scrying/prediction the usual stuff that people that for some reason DON'T want a new game to succed.. (can't for the life of me figure out why though..)
2. You get challanged for your statement
3. You provide some sort of evidens/logic for your statement
4. Let the arguing commence!
Now what happend in this particular case was the following:
1. A person wrote some pertty stupid analysis on this forum, with no logic or evidence.
2. I called him out and asked for above.
3. Several other (you included) entered the discussion trying to call me out (on no grounds)
4. The fist persons comment is now discarded as trolling and so are you.
only one problem remains; you'r ass is full of shit so watch it when you pull stuff form there.
New troll rhyme:
not-vapor-but-TASOS-is-bashing-me-for-bashing-his-game-and-I-got-scared..
*Edited to save space
What is this Tasos guy so angry about?
Isn't he supposed to have a thick skin?
Referring to this bit:
MMORPG.com: Darkfall is a game that has many within the MMO community buzzing. Can you tell us why we haven't seen a marketing campaign similar to those conducted pre-launch by many other MMO studios?
Tasos Flambouras: The MMO community is buzzing, and then you ask why we don't have marketing. It's somewhat of an oxymoron. We've done what we could with the resources we've had available.'
Was that really neccesary? He perfectly knew what MMORPG.com meant with the question.
But perhaps he said it with a smile on his face, it's hard to be sure about a persons tone in a post.
huh?!
I think most people around (even here on MMORPG.com) would agree that the one that needs his head examined is the one that STILL argues that DFO will never release.. geez
You should look up the definition of troll, your posts are truely a great example of such.
As most of us here still have not seen Darkfall nor have any of the media, it is easily to wonder in what state the game exists. The D&L debacle is heavily on the minds of many and it is a legitimate concern.
Tasos's continued arrogance does not help either. To even suggest that they have done what they could to advertise with a limited budget is ludicrous. Media interviews and demos cost them nothing yet they completely avoided such an avenue. Studios with any kind of marketing sense take great advantage of the many free advertising outlets out there. Aventurine has avoided all of them.
From that, it is easy to lead up to the point they really don't have a product that could be subject to such a examination. Of course it just could be that Tasos and his company are so paronoid about their game that they don't want anyone touching it until it meets their standards too.
We will all have have to wait until January to find out.
You should look up the definition of troll, your posts are truely a great example of such.
As most of us here still have not seen Darkfall nor have any of the media, it is easily to wonder in what state the game exists. The D&L debacle is heavily on the minds of many and it is a legitimate concern.
Tasos's continued arrogance does not help either. To even suggest that they have done what they could to advertise with a limited budget is ludicrous. Media interviews and demos cost them nothing yet they completely avoided such an avenue. Studios with any kind of marketing sense take great advantage of the many free advertising outlets out there. Aventurine has avoided all of them.
From that, it is easy to lead up to the point they really don't have a product that could be subject to such a examination. Of course it just could be that Tasos and his company are so paronoid about their game that they don't want anyone touching it until it meets their standards too.
We will all have have to wait until January to find out.
Good lord the irony in you calling someone else a troll, especially in regards to DF, is amazing.
Yep we will wait and see on January 22nd 2009 when you realize just how ridiculous it was to question if this game exists. You can take a look at the link in my sig for hard 100% proof that EVERYONE but the truly paranoid agrees makes it no question that the game exists....but that would be asking the troll to actually have to respond to facts.
I can't wait to release day when you make absolutly no mention and ignore posts calling you out on your trolling and just move on to bashing whatever you come up with next.
You should look up the definition of troll, your posts are truely a great example of such.
As most of us here still have not seen Darkfall nor have any of the media, it is easily to wonder in what state the game exists. The D&L debacle is heavily on the minds of many and it is a legitimate concern.
Tasos's continued arrogance does not help either. To even suggest that they have done what they could to advertise with a limited budget is ludicrous. Media interviews and demos cost them nothing yet they completely avoided such an avenue. Studios with any kind of marketing sense take great advantage of the many free advertising outlets out there. Aventurine has avoided all of them.
From that, it is easy to lead up to the point they really don't have a product that could be subject to such a examination. Of course it just could be that Tasos and his company are so paronoid about their game that they don't want anyone touching it until it meets their standards too.
We will all have have to wait until January to find out.
You Ozmodan occationaly post good sceptical posts like this one. But I urge you to look at the original post that I was responing to, and argue to me again that he/she deserved more than he/she got.
January it is!
He's an ego maniac with an attitude that WILL turn people off from this game. It's not needed, nor is it wanted. Anyone about to release a product to the public with that tone needs a course in tact.
As for AoC and WAR being vaporware? I suggest you look up the meaning of the word before you start using it.
Why all fanboys defy logic and just run from any discussion?
Why every troll love to speak about ass and shit and very little about ideas?
Why every troll try to avoid adult conversation, using some childish things like ´I will call my mom´ or the other version ´whats your credentials?´...
Its ideas who are being put in here, like it or not, I can pin point several points in common with D&L, specially dumbs fanboys...
The most clear thing in my statement and the statement which I quoted was totally missed by you because your furious fanboy-rage and debile defense of Tasos, which is that I want this game to be a HUGE sucess, we need a complex, sandbox game, we all are putting our chips on DF, however Tasos, to ANYONE with a minimun of intelligence to notice, is slipping... He is full of bullshit (which do not mean that DF will fail, but its a good indication, IN MY OPINION).
And a new failure in this kind of game would be seen as a fail of a genre of game (in case, a complex, sanbox game), and not as fail of some devs, SPECIALLY because the dumb fanboys are helping to hype ATTITUDES, not a game, and all those attitudes hurt the genre, its an ego thing. Clearly, Tasos is acting as a mix of a Pirates of Burning Sea dev and a Dark & Light dev, in others words, a train crash....
Why you would argue that you are a fan of darkfall? I beg to differ, you utilize all the classic signs of a person only here to talk smack about the game.
Item 1:
“I want this game to be a HUGE success”, this is the “I am really on your side, BUT” comment. Yeah.. I believe that.. sure thing.
Item 2:
“I can pin point several points in common with D&L, specially dumb fanboys..”, care to explain to me how the fans of a game can make it a failure as D&L, that statement defies logic. And on another note why would ANY similarities between D&L and DFO mean that they will meet the same fate?
I mean do you even now the history of D&L? Sure sounds like you don’t. That game was not intended as a scam. They had every intention of finishing it, it was later when it all went to shit that they went overboard, I think they are STILL trying to sell it, lol.
Now can you please name a few similarities that actually infer that DFO will be the same as D&L, taking into account all the evidence you have at your disposal?
Item 3:
“to ANYONE with a minimum of intelligence to notice, is slipping.” So every other quote in this thread saying “Hey, I don’t think he comes off as having a big ego” is just fanboys and idiots? Way to go, buddy.
To summarize
Now if you would care to have a look at the game we are discussing here you would now that this game is highly debated, you would also know that the company behind the game (Aventurine SA) have a personal stalker trying with all means possible to discredit it (the former web-admin of the failed Mourning MMO). You would also know that this site (mmorpg.com) is a cesspool of trollers and haters of this game. Add to that that the questions where a bit on the harsh side, I am sure Tasos didn’t mind, but as anyone would know the way you ask the questions sets the note of the replies.
So when Tasos answers fall in line with the questions, they might seem a bit rough, but hey, most of us don’t feel but-hurt because of that, I really don’t care that you do, but your ranting saying the usual shit:
Allow me to summarize your post for you:
-“I want this game to succeed, BUT it will be like D&L and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot”
Let’s face it:
1. You DON’T want this game to succeed-
2. You WILL cry when it releases.
3. You WILL still, after release, argue that it is a bug-ridden piece of crap.
4. You are afraid to fly.
Why you would argue that you are a fan of darkfall? I beg to differ, you utilize all the classic signs of a person only here to talk smack about the game.
Item 1:
“I want this game to be a HUGE success”, this is the “I am really on your side, BUT” comment. Yeah.. I believe that.. sure thing.
Item 2:
“I can pin point several points in common with D&L, specially dumb fanboys..”, care to explain to me how the fans of a game can make it a failure as D&L, that statement defies logic. And on another note why would ANY similarities between D&L and DFO mean that they will meet the same fate?
I mean do you even now the history of D&L? Sure sounds like you don’t. That game was not intended as a scam. They had every intention of finishing it, it was later when it all went to shit that they went overboard, I think they are STILL trying to sell it, lol.
Now can you please name a few similarities that actually infer that DFO will be the same as D&L, taking into account all the evidence you have at your disposal?
Item 3:
“to ANYONE with a minimum of intelligence to notice, is slipping.” So every other quote in this thread saying “Hey, I don’t think he comes off as having a big ego” is just fanboys and idiots? Way to go, buddy.
To summarize
Now if you would care to have a look at the game we are discussing here you would now that this game is highly debated, you would also know that the company behind the game (Aventurine SA) have a personal stalker trying with all means possible to discredit it (the former web-admin of the failed Mourning MMO). You would also know that this site (mmorpg.com) is a cesspool of trollers and haters of this game. Add to that that the questions where a bit on the harsh side, I am sure Tasos didn’t mind, but as anyone would know the way you ask the questions sets the note of the replies.
So when Tasos answers fall in line with the questions, they might seem a bit rough, but hey, most of us don’t feel but-hurt because of that, I really don’t care that you do, but your ranting saying the usual shit:
Allow me to summarize your post for you:
-“I want this game to succeed, BUT it will be like D&L and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot”
Let’s face it:
1. You DON’T want this game to succeed-
2. You WILL cry when it releases.
3. You WILL still, after release, argue that it is a bug-ridden piece of crap.
4. You are afraid to fly.
You are a fanboy. Fanboy hurt games.
I am not a fanboy, I am a supporter of the Darkfall, exactly BECAUSE I am not a fanboy ANd you can see from what I have been writing since a looong time in here, I want it to work it. But I am not a fool also... I have been fooled by D&L and AoC, and I want this game to work, so I am not going to feed Tasos egos.
Again, you havent missed the whole discussion to only defend your hero, Tasos. You say taht there is people in here paid to thrash the game, but tehre is morons in here NOT paid that only praises something really, really wrong...
Tasos is having a serious ego problem which can hurt not only DF, but the genre as well... If DF turn to be a failure, it would fail the very hope of this kind of game... SW:TOR will be a WoW clone, as far I have been seeing, DF is the last hope.
Dont assume what I want or what I am, just stick to the discussion if you can, fanboy... Try to ask the following questions as:
1) Do you think that supporting blindly a whole bucket of bullshit (as throw by Tasos in EVERY interview) is going to help the game?
2) Do you think, really, tyhat there is hundreds of beta testers, and NO BETA LEAK? Do you even think that this is possible?
3) Do you really think that the game will be launched in 22 Januray, ready to go, without a decent beta test?
4) Do you think that the problems on forums are due to ´trolls´ only, and not the way which Aventurine is dealing the things?
5) Do you think that the sandbox genre can survive a failure? (oh, I forgot, this is NOT possible, since, you know, Tsos is a GOD, he can go back in time and make the things happens the way we, all Tasos followers want...)
First off,
I am no “fanboi” in the regards that you refer to it; I am merely a fan, a fan bloody tired of all the idiots trashing this game for no good god damn reason at all. So like the popup-frogs on the funfair I smash the ugly buggers at first show.
To prove this to you I will refer you to the blog-entries that I have made here on mmorpg about DFO as reference.
Alright, I had a look into your post-history, and I will admit that you are not the typical hater/troll and might even sincerely be hoping for this game. Bearing that in mind I will answer your post refraining from flaming.
I was not fooled by AoC, neither D&L but I have high hopes that DFO will actually be what it says it will be. Mind you I am under no illusion that all the features will be there at launch, likewise the game will probably have lots of bugs at start, in short it’s an MMO so we know what to expect.
I must ask you what’s with the hate on Tasos? I don’t see the guy as the second coming or anything, and truth be told, the PR of Aventurine sucks big-time. I am not taking Tasos word for anything; HOWEVER in those areas that we have yet to receive a report from beta-tester or other reviewer I have yet to see any reason why I would NOT believe in what he tells us. (and don’t pull out the arguments of failed dates, and lies, that will not fly very well).
I won’t go into it in depth but, what about the partners of Aventurine? Do you really think they would be on board if the game was a hoax?
About Tasos answers in the latest mmorpg interview, I don’t find them particularly boasting, he have stated that the game will speak for itself and he is sticking to that, what is wrong with that really? Sure he takes a piss on the trolls, but after all the shit that they have taken over the years, why is that such a bad thing?
As a summarization I would like to say to you, I in no way idolize Tasos the way you suggest, I really think Aventurine could have a fulltime PR guy instead. I will instead point out to you that YOU seem to have a serious problem with Tasos. I along with many other don’t view his statements and actions the way that you do. If DFO is your last hope, why do you think a couple of hard answers from Tasos in an interview will dissuade people to play DFO, it’s not as if they are going to group with Tasos? Besides it’s a FFA/PVP Full loot game, it will be ha hard alternate reality.
And oh; I NEVER said there are people paid to thrash DFO, the person that I referred to in my earlier post was an example of the shit they are taking, and I am sure he does it without charge. No company is paying anyone to thrash a game, that would be ridiculous.
Now on to your questions:
1) Do you think that supporting blindly a whole bucket of bullshit (as throw by Tasos in EVERY interview) is going to help the game? (see.. here you come of as a true hater/troll I am ignoring that now though)
I choose to believe in that witch I cannot disprove. You choose to call it a bucket of bullshit on the grounds that it is not yet proven, so your stance on the matter was set beforehand.
2) Do you think, really, tyhat there is hundreds of beta testers, and NO BETA LEAK? Do you even think that this is possible?
I know several of the more notorious forumfallers who are in the beta as we speak, and I also know that they would blow the whistle if something was amiss, or Tasos was blatantly lying. Surly is one of them if you want a name. And about the leaks, they are out there, just not in plain view there are one at the most logical place to look for it (without actually giving you the address).
3) Do you really think that the game will be launched in 22 Januray, ready to go, without a decent beta test?
I have been working in software development for 10 years now, and I am always amazed about the “must have a beta of 10.000 players or more to weed out the bugs” statements. Do you really think that 10.000 is better than 500 (barring the stress test)? How the mumbojumbo do you think that you could possible handle the 10.000 12-yearolds and their bug-reports? They can hardly write!
And here comes the “all mmo’s have large betas” argument, yes most have, but they are not to weed out more bugs than betas of 500 they are stress-tests and free PR.
I am also a bit confused as to why you posted this question since Aventurine have stated that they will have an open beta to stress-test the game. Why should I doubt that?
4) Do you think that the problems on forums are due to ´trolls´ only, and not the way which Aventurine is dealing the things?
By large Yes, why should I blame Aventurine? Because they have a bad PR department?
5) Do you think that the sandbox genre can survive a failure? (oh, I forgot, this is NOT possible, since, you know, Tsos is a GOD, he can go back in time and make the things happens the way we, all Tasos followers want...)
Oh it’s possible all right, DFO could be a total flop no question about it. You see, you read too much into what I write I have never said that Tasos is GOD, you did that. The continuance of the hate against this game is what colored my responses in this forum not the gospel of Tasos.
Will the sandbox genre survive? Yes I think so. There are several more in the works, someone will get it right.
Numerous people that are not a respectable website or magazine that wrote a review/preview is not a number at all.
well they had mentioend a Italianc group had come in played and got a few screenies. and full report go read it on DF forums if not stop trolling , and kinda noticed ur a WoW player as well then i guess u wont bother reading the report then.
Accusing a legitimate post of trolling is trolling on its own. My current subscription has nothing to do with the current topic. So please, stop with the trolling and get back to the real answers. Doesn't it really bother you that all we have on our hands is some kind of italian group that made some screenies? Some movies and screenies that the company itself made does not really represent a fair opinion in my mind. I mean, would you trust the company that says their product is great? Wouldn't their opinion be biased? The most trustworthy opinion is the opinion of the free press or people that are not affiliated with the company. But in order to get that, you need a public beta of sort. As far as I know, in all those years, there was no public beta. No independent press was invited for an extensive review/preview, or anything of the sort. If im wrong, please feel free to correct me with a link to the review. ANd once again, stop trolling.
In my perspective, if the game is ready to launch that means that the servers are already prepared, tested and ready. If you do not have servers or they arent ready or not tested, then you are NOT ready to launch.
nononononono! This thread has been providing me with comic relief for the last week! Please do not lock this thread! I wish Taco, i mean Tasos would post more of his madman rumblings here. I mean, the kid is brilliant as an
assface of the company.lol, Tasos is an ass. He just came across like a defensive jerk throughout the first 2/3 of that. He really shouldn't be doing the PR for that game.
Oh I don't know, he didn't seem to have any reason at all to be defensive /sarcasm
That doesn't invalidate anything that I said.
Well said. I only wanted to add that if push came to shove and for some
stupidodd reason we did have to show our credentials, then Tasos would have to be first. He hasn't really produced anything before, has he? If he has, Ill take my comment back. But if he hasn't, then he is just like me or you, a regular Joe who is making a game... or so he says he does.You lost any and all credibility after this post. GG
Hey Stradden,
You interviewed Tasos and no doubt you spoke with him on an unofficial level.
Can you be so good as to give us your opinion after having spoken with Tasos on that unofficial level, on whether or not you feel and believe DarkFall is indeed almost ready for release?
One other thing. It is now the 12th December 2008. More than a FEW days have passed since we all here were informed that a release date will be out "in a few days".
A couple = 2
A few = 3-4
Several = 5-9
I, and many others am sure will appreciate your feedback on the above.
Axxiss
How was your trip under the rock? A lot of things have happened since you were gone. Release Date was announcened a while ago, January 22nd.
With a "fanbase" like this, I'm really going to hate chatting in this game.
Well said. I don't understand the level of hostility shown towards this game just because it's not trying to follow the big marketing budget hype formula of other MMOs. Putting the game's development before ALL other considerations surely has to be admired, no? It's like some of the posters here *want* big MMO companies to continue releasing half-finished titles and expecting gamers to pay them to fix it.
The fact there is almost 200K+ forum/beta subscribers for Darkfall with 5K new subs added every week with *zero* marketing dollars spent is amazing.
Kudos to aventurine, and i sincerely hope they do well, because the MMO genre and industry NEEDs a shakeup.
I think most of the "hate" is directed towards Tasos. No self-respecting company would allow someone so unprofessional to handle PR. If such things happens, one must wonder why: is it because lack of funds to hire a professional? If so, then the followup question would be: is this just another scam intended to rip people "Dark and Light" style?
Im speculating here but if they have no money to do real PR or advertising, they go for the shock factor. They try to stirr up some flames to bring DF to attention. It doesn't matter if a lot of people voice their doubtsabout the game, some people will try the game regardless of the general view.
A game with so little information so close to release screms to me "im a failure". But we will have to wait and see what will actualy happen. Who knows, maybe everyone will suddenly love open FFA and full loot system. I know i wont.
I think most of the "hate" is directed towards Tasos. No self-respecting company would allow someone so unprofessional to handle PR. If such things happens, one must wonder why: is it because lack of funds to hire a professional? If so, then the followup question would be: is this just another scam intended to rip people "Dark and Light" style?
Im speculating here but if they have no money to do real PR or advertising, they go for the shock factor. They try to stirr up some flames to bring DF to attention. It doesn't matter if a lot of people voice their doubtsabout the game, some people will try the game regardless of the general view.
A game with so little information so close to release screms to me "im a failure". But we will have to wait and see what will actualy happen. Who knows, maybe everyone will suddenly love open FFA and full loot system. I know i wont.
Most hate is directed towards the game Darkfall, not Tasos.
Many carebears fears there own game will suffer subscription losses if Darkfall is a success. They're plain egocentric.
What we need to learn is to pick the hate from the reality. Most fanboys think that any critic is ´hate´, and therefore it helps to hurt the game itself, for all critics help to improve the game in a way or another.
I think that Tasos is totally lost on it. A so secret beta test only means that there is no confidence in the game (specially so near the launch). The arrogance of the PR have been seen on PoBS, and we all know today the ´no crying on red circle´ mantra by now, and how PoBS is a joke nowdays... We dont want to that to happen on DFO, at least the ones who pursue the dream of a GOOD game, not the game itself (be it godd or bad).
DFO has an incridible concept, but the reality, today, teached us to be a little more... cautious... D&L. PoBS, AoC teached us a lesson... Great hype, arrogant devs and too promises with very low ´showing it up´ (like the marvelous PvP on battlekeeps, of AoC, the jewel of the crown, or the DX10, never show on beta but promised as ´certain´ until the launch) is a sign of great disaster... And all those points are HUGE on DFO.. (the hype on DFO is higher than the AoC, the arrogance of Tasos is far bigger than even the PoBS devs, and the secrecy of the main features we cant even start with, since we only knew of a ´ghost beta´, without even notices of ANYTHING, and VERY near the launch).
I am worried about it, everyday without notices of the beta (the real one, I mean) makes me a little more skeptical about DFO. Notice that I still love the game (the concept of it, I mean), and I really hope that ll those bad signs are only a terrible coincidence...
ghost beta wtf are you talking about
Most hate is directed towards the game Darkfall, not Tasos.
Many carebears fears there own game will suffer subscription losses if Darkfall is a success. They're plain egocentric.
Again the word is "skepticism", learn the difference, when you use the word "hate" in such an improper manner it just lends to other derogatory labels. Also using desultery words like "Carebears" just lessens others opinion of you. Trying to demean others because they don't enjoy the same play style as you, just negates any opinions you might express.
I don't think that anyone that has two feet on the ground is worried about Darkfall being successful. A harsh world like they are proposing will never have a large audience, that is a given. So who is the egocentric on here?
I think people who play non-open PvP games would only rejoice when annoying little kids who love open PvP only because they can kill someone 10 levels below them with no consequences. So no, you are wrong there.
Most people dont really have any solid info on DF, so their "hate" that you think they have is not hate but just legit doubt.
The problem with this is that it's just so false: there is more info out there for Darkfall than for any other pre-launch MMO....
The problem with this is that it's just so false: there is more info out there for Darkfall than for any other pre-launch MMO....
I don't think so bro, It falls way short.
prove it. link me the compiled info for another *pre-release* MMO that has more released info.
most people who troll and diss Darkfall are apparently just not bright enough to use google...
prove it. link me the compiled info for another *pre-release* MMO that has more released info.
most people who troll and diss Darkfall are apparently just not bright enough to use google...
Here's proof... there is no open beta. Anything you say may be just a PR or an advertisement. Only public access to a game would mean that there is enough information about the game to make a valid opinion. Anything private is just that, an opinion of someone who is affiliated with the game. Even if there is a preview by an independent magazine or game website, even then its just one single opinion. Definitely not enough.
If there is no public beta or public access to the game, then anything you read about DF may be propaganda, trollism, fanboism, advertisement or just simply outdated information. And we all know that game changes so much that what you are told is now, may not be so at the release.
Wow. Awesome interview from Tasos. Terrible questioning, MMORPG.com really missed an opportunity to ask good, technical questions and specific gameplay mechanics questions. Even if Tasos had refused to answer every single one, the attempt would have been laudable.
I love how annoyed Tasos became with the aweful "vapo" questions. He really poked this community in the eye, which is by far the worst gaming community I've ever come across. I'm very happy to see that. MMORPG.com posters are a tiny portion of the gaming community and are not representative of the overall population by any stretch. Most people have figured out that if you want to actually discuss the game, darkfall.com forums are the place to do it, not this trashy site.
Nice work Tasos.
Now that is kind of funny, since you can't discuss anything on the Darkfall forums because of all the noise from blind faith adherents. Most of us realists have seen this happen time after time. Great expectations dashed upon gameplay of a month or two. While anything is possible, the attitude of Tasos prepares most of us for the expected crash of expectations.
I think the only tiny portion of the gaming community are those that post on the Darkfall forums. I have seen more nonsense posted there then anywhere else.
Here is what you are going to see come January. The game will release and most probably work decently at the lower levels of play. Expect a lot of promised functions to either be not in game, turned off or not working correctly. The best thing is to expect a mediocre game at first and hope they have the time to fix it before the funders pull the plug.
Hopefully this won't be another Dark and Light episode. Remember Eve started out a bit shaky, but it is doing pretty well now, so small indy shops can be a success.
Sorry but i dont see on this game nothing special!
Did you seriously say teached?
I couldn't think of anything else after I got to that point sorry.
Darkfall is coming, and it will be either good or bad. We will see when it comes. But it is coming, and Aventurine is serious about this.
A quick check of Domenicus's profile - took about 5 seconds - shows he's from Brazil. I'd say it's a safe bet English isn't his first language. Still, I can understand what he's saying perfectly fine.
If you can't get past him saying "teached" instead of "taught", and respond to what he's saying instead of how he's saying it, then I would say the problem isn't with his grammar.
Very simple... He's involved with a game they are eagerly awaiting and believe will be THE game they've all been waiting for. So, they're going to stand behind him or anyone else involved with the game, deem anything they say as gospel, and defend any behavior as "justified".
It's no different than people who bought into McQuaid's "Vision" for Vanguard and defended him tooth and nail, calling any nay-sayers "trolls" and "haters". Or the people who stood firmly lby Richard Garriot's hype for TR... Or any other similar situation one can point to.
They are absolutely convinced that Tasos is going to deliver the game they've been waiting for - because he's said so - so anything he says or does, however unprofessional or unwarranted it would be considered in any other setting.
Rose-colored glasses.
Umm... you're responding to a point that he didn't make.
It's not arrogant to be proud of what you've accomplished... And that's not what Daemon said.
What he said, in detail, is that it's arrogant to declare your own product as "a breakthrough game", before it's even released. It's not the developer who makes that declaration, but those playing and reviewing it.
In that sense, Daemon is correct. It was an arrogant statement to make.
While I recognize the sarcasm intended in this comment..
The sheer ignorance of it is remarkable.
Yes, some traditional marketing would benefit DF. No, a highly active forum thread does not change that. Why? Because even if this thread reached 200 pages... By and large, the only people who would know it exists are those who come to mmorpg.com and follow DF anyway.
You think a thread like this is going to get the attention of someone who barely even knows this site exists, much less this thread?
Come on.
Try it out.. Talk to someone you know who's an avid gamer and, perhaps, forum savvy, but not necessarily very aware of DF. Ask them what they think of the discussion thread for the interview with Tasos about DF on mmorpg.com. Just like that. Don't qualify it or try to influence the answer by saying how many pages it is, etc. etc. Chances are they won't even know what you're talking about.
So yes... despite how popular this particular thread, on this particular site is.. it does not = "marketing".
A forum thread is not marketing. It's more like preaching to the choir.
As has been said in this thread, Marketing is intended to reach people who *wouldn't* otherwise know of a product. For a pre-release game it comes in the form of doing interviews and previews with various gaming magazines and websites, especially major ones. An interview is free publicity that benefits both the company and the publication. The developer gets exposure for their product, the publication gets an article to print. It's a win-win situation.
So, objectively speaking, it is odd that they would actively avoid doing such a thing, whatever their stated reasons. Especially so when the lackluster results of other MMOs has so often been attributed to a lack of sufficient marketing; that "hardly anyone even knew it existed".
While I recognize the sarcasm intended in this comment..
The sheer ignorance of it is remarkable.
Yes, some traditional marketing would benefit DF. No, a highly active forum thread does not change that. Why? Because even if this thread reached 200 pages... By and large, the only people who would know it exists are those who come to mmorpg.com and follow DF anyway.
You think a thread like this is going to get the attention of someone who barely even knows this site exists, much less this thread?
Come on.
Try it out.. Talk to someone you know who's an avid gamer and, perhaps, forum savvy, but not necessarily very aware of DF. Ask them what they think of the discussion thread for the interview with Tasos about DF on mmorpg.com. Just like that. Don't qualify it or try to influence the answer by saying how many pages it is, etc. etc. Chances are they won't even know what you're talking about.
So yes... despite how popular this particular thread, on this particular site is.. it does not = "marketing".
A forum thread is not marketing. It's more like preaching to the choir.
As has been said in this thread, Marketing is intended to reach people who *wouldn't* otherwise know of a product. For a pre-release game it comes in the form of doing interviews and previews with various gaming magazines and websites, especially major ones. An interview is free publicity that benefits both the company and the publication. The developer gets exposure for their product, the publication gets an article to print. It's a win-win situation.
So, objectively speaking, it is odd that they would actively avoid doing such a thing, whatever their stated reasons. Especially so when the lackluster results of other MMOs has so often been attributed to a lack of sufficient marketing; that "hardly anyone even knew it existed".
Well said and straight to the point. Especially the last paragraph. Lack of advertising, marketing, public beta worries me. Any game that is so secret raises a red flag: "WARNING: procede with caution".
I believe this interview was photoshopped. MMORPG is vaporware.
why would anyone take you seriously with a name like that? just stick to ciggys from now on because, parnoia will destroyah
why would anyone take you seriously with a name like that? just stick to ciggys from now on because, parnoia will destroyah
sad state.... nonstoners don't come with humor or sarcasm detectors anymore it seems
sad state.... nonstoners don't come with humor or sarcasm detectors anymore it seems
QFT
*reaches for bong*