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  ninjajucer

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I like pie, well not really...

 
OP  8/02/09 9:23:16 AM#1

Its interesting to play Free Realms, since the game is technically free, but also has a subscription model for $5 a month. Now that is just a minor thing in the game, the $5 brings "membership", which allows some more quests and classes, but that's about it. The real money-maker (drainer?) of the game is the in-game store.

The SC store in Free Realms has tons to offer the average player and even the casual player. From weapons that are more powerful than any in game (and can be used from level 1), to the best armor, healing, even pets are in there as well (you can not get a permanent pet unless you buy one from the store). Its almost funny the way the game is marketed. Most of the things in the game are indeed fun, but its always been stressed to use the store to have an edge. Now, though, its coming out to be more of a stressed point.

With the introduction of Kart and Demolition Derby classes and quests, SOE has given a new meaning to the word spendthrift. With the best and most creative cars, engines, tires, hell even a garage available for cold hard cash through the shop, the game has devolved into a large money-grubbing scheme. Even in the normal quests its stressed that you should not take the bad in-game  versions, but should instead use the store to get better items. One quest told me to go buy tires as the ones I was given were not up to par.

So is this model of game F2P or P2P, or a hybrid of both? Microtransaction models in the past have offered only items that gave some benefit of healing or virtual costume (Perfect World, Rohan), others went so far as to offer mounts or crafting bonuses (RoM), but Free Realms takes the cake with offering the little line of to really win at these races and demo derbies you have to either buy the expensive in-game items (compounded by the fact that all items were reduced in selling price to 10% of their original amount) or spend real money to get the virtual items which not only give an edge, but are most likely required to actually finish the the classes quests for the average/casual player.

Its a sad day when a corporation takes advantage of the kids of the world, its even sadder to see that greed is changing the microtransaction model into what was something optional, to something that is now mandatory. In these tough economic times, its obvious that SOE is thinking with dollar signs as opposed to creating a game for everyone.

 

 

  thexrated

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8/02/09 9:36:24 AM#2

Well, micro-transaction models are in their infancy, but of course companies like SOE do what is most profitable for them. They are a business and responsible not for the gamers, but to their shareholders.

There are pretty compelling studies to support viablity of these alternative models. Like the fact that over 1/4 of the players already buy gold from RMTers and more would, if it was not against EULA. These buyers spent something like ~$130 in average. That can be a lot more profitable than a subscription model in a long run.
Thankfully, we all have option not to play this type of games. We as consumers can vote with our money.

Btw, there is a good chance that even SW:TOR will employ non-conventional subscription model, if there will be subscription at all. You may have to purchase content instead - like instances, epic quest arcs etc.


Its a sad day when a corporation takes advantage of the kids of the world

There are numerous corporations in the world based on taking money from kids. Mostly selling them stuff nobody needs, but that has some emotional value. I do not really see a difference of buying Sword of Uber Dooom in Free Realms to buying a Plastic Lighsaber in the real world. Perhaps the former is even more useful and costs less.

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  Spiider

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8/02/09 9:40:47 AM#3

 And you are suprised that they are greedy? Greed (profit) is their only motiv, only reason to exist. They do cancer research or try to find new energy sources. They exist to make money and will be remembered only for that once they go down. They have given nothing new or revolutionary to the world to make you rant like this. The solution is simple, don't play their games.

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  Fariic

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8/02/09 9:51:45 AM#4

I swear,
You people act like SoE is a non-profit organization.

SoE is just one small part of a much larger corporation.  Outside of making games people want to play, they're responcible for making sure those games make Sony money.

You're time would be more suited to raging about GM, Chrysler, and Ford closing manufacturing plants in the US and moving them to Mexico were they put thier cars and parts together for a fraction of they did here, and then charging more for thier cars.  That's greed.

Give Wizards 101 a try.  You have to have a subscription to experience almost all of the content in that game. 
FreeRealms is an incredible value seeing as you can experience more without ever spending a dime.

  User Deleted
8/02/09 2:33:08 PM#5

lol they build games to make money they dont make free games and neither does anyone else who makes a decent game that people can actually play.

As for the kart racing /demo derby etc they have the level of difficulty dialed up too high and have acknowledge this and are intending to nerf it a bit.  

As usual there is still no need to pay more only if you want to ...

  Rollotamasi

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8/02/09 2:39:11 PM#6

I know what you mean man.  The nerve of a company trying to make money!  It's disgusting!  Ok, anyway on a less sarcastic note... Your joking about the it being a sad day when a corporation is taking advantage of children right?  I mean, you have noticed that all the toy advertisements are during cartoons and  in every grocery store (at least everyone I have seen) that the candy is ALWAYS in the cereal asile....

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  ninjajucer

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I like pie, well not really...

 
OP  8/02/09 8:17:25 PM#7
Originally posted by Rollotamasi

I know what you mean man.  The nerve of a company trying to make money!  It's disgusting!  Ok, anyway on a less sarcastic note... Your joking about the it being a sad day when a corporation is taking advantage of children right?  I mean, you have noticed that all the toy advertisements are during cartoons and  in every grocery store (at least everyone I have seen) that the candy is ALWAYS in the cereal asile....

 

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  EricDanie

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8/02/09 8:23:31 PM#8

 And this is a game for kids.

Poor parents that will have to live with "mommy please give me $30 so I can buy some virtual things for my game" kids, and that will grow to a "50% budget - virtual items for games" or even more.

But yeah, this is an evolution compared to spending a considerable part of your budget on pain killers that you never really needed to end up dying of overdose...

  Suplyndmnd

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8/18/09 1:46:43 AM#9

But yeah, this is an evolution compared to spending a considerable part of your budget on pain killers that you never really needed to end up dying of overdose...

 

I was with ya all the way up to this part.  It was at this point when i said "huh?!"  How exactly did kids overdosing on pain killers work its way into this conversation?

Anyways, i was looking at the game (on the website) and i too sort of got the "Free game (that you must buy things for" vibe from them.  I agree with the others that a game is made to make money but I really dislike cash shops that basically become a requirement to play the game.  It's along the lines of "Get a brand new Mercedes for free! Oh, the tires are 8,000 dollars each.  Holy crap you want an engine too? Walk this way, lets talk addons".  What good is a free game when you're paying more then you would a subscription game with no cashshop.  That's basically how i come to the conclusion of if i want to play a free MMO.  "Would i pay 15 bucks a month to play this".  If so, that becomes my monthly budget for the game.

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  midmagic

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8/27/09 11:29:48 PM#10
Originally posted by thexrated

Well, micro-transaction models are in their infancy, but of course companies like SOE do what is most profitable for them. They are a business and responsible not for the gamers, but to their shareholders.

 

They are not responsible to the gamers but are responsible to the shareholders? Really? I strongly hope business people have not fallen so far. Without a happy customer base there are no shareholders because you sell nothing and the stock is worthless because no one believes in the company. Always, customers first (quality product, fun stuff, blah, blah), the more successful game companies live by this motto. This is the same random nonsensical cliche being touted around as the new "we are your boss and you answer to us" by silly people whining about the government.

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  drbaltazar

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8/28/09 9:13:24 AM#11

 max blizzard make huge pile of money you dont see them act like most f2p game,im all for micro-transactiction,but when theres more in the store then in the game realm then i get out.

i bet im not the only one that think like this: past 20 $ a month the game is just plain too expensive,take eq2 cost 14$/month over 3 month period,wow its what 17 18$ a month. people dont mind spending less then 20$ each month on a game they do mind paying for a game that is empty of player and even more so when the game is bad.

one way to get player even on bad game that always worked is well advertised competition with good incentive

check at blizzcon there was what 200 000 $ in price for pvp competition.theres no way around it. and even then if you organise 

a competition say in everquest 2 next season but its not published anywhere near the most viewed page on the web 

its will still stay a crappy game.wow is lucky they almost dont need to advertise compared to anygame out there 

but any other game as to work 1000 time harder then wow just to be seen .

  uidLuc1d

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8/28/09 9:21:06 AM#12

Wait... you mean, they want to make money?!  HOW DARE THEY!

I would expect a post like this from a 15 year old, but a 41 year old?  *face-palm*

  ethion

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9/19/09 5:27:01 PM#13
Originally posted by drbaltazar

 

its will still stay a crappy game.wow is lucky they almost dont need to advertise compared to anygame out there 

but any other game as to work 1000 time harder then wow just to be seen .

 

Hmm wow doesn't need to advertise?  They spend a huge amount of money on advertising.  I have seen plenty of prime time tv commercials advertising wow.  Some fast food resturaunt had wow character cups.  When the last wow expansion came out I went in to ebgames and right in front of the door they had a huge pyramid of wow game boxes stacked up for preorders and wow posters all over the store..

I've never seen any company with near the amount of advertising wow spends.  At least not in the US market.

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  Daffid011

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9/19/09 8:02:54 PM#14
Originally posted by ethion 

I've never seen any company with near the amount of advertising wow spends.  At least not in the US market.

 

Umm... free realms was running plenty of prime time television commercials of its own.  How do you think it got 5 million web registrations?

Toon town, wizard 101, etc.

 

You are right that Blizzard does a lot of advertising now, but that is something that happened years after release. 

  ethion

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9/21/09 3:24:13 PM#15
Originally posted by Daffid011
Originally posted by ethion 

I've never seen any company with near the amount of advertising wow spends.  At least not in the US market.

 

Umm... free realms was running plenty of prime time television commercials of its own.  How do you think it got 5 million web registrations?

Toon town, wizard 101, etc.

 

You are right that Blizzard does a lot of advertising now, but that is something that happened years after release. 

 

Maybe I'm not watching the right channels or something.  There are only two games I've ever seen advertisements for.  Wow starting like 2 years ago and StarGate Online about 6 months ago.  In any event my response was to the comment that wow doesn't do advertising.  Clearly they do and they are almost certainly spending more money then all the other companies together.  Course they can aford to spend that kinda money.

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  User Deleted
9/21/09 3:31:56 PM#16

 

This is quite possibly the most ridiculous premise for a posting I have ever seen.

 

Developers make game, game uses Micro transaction model. Players realize they have to spend money on entertainment, rants on forums.

This is just a sign that this model is working, because you really want that banana suit, you just dont want to pay the 2$ for it.

 

 

 

 

 

  skarwolf

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9/24/09 11:37:30 AM#17

 Even without a subscription fee you end up spending more then what a normal subscription fee would be per month if you buy things from the station marketplace.  Hence there being no subscription fee.

I played Freerealms and became a member.  I have numerous 20's (max lvl) and purchased all their items from the marketplace.  Probably blew around 50 bucks on it in only a month.

My most favorite item is the cray sandcastle.  It turns people into cray fish if they stand near it.  People like to loiter around the area called sanctuary and either cyber or spam chat with stupidity.  I go into the middle of them and drop the cray sandcastle.  

  User Deleted
9/24/09 11:46:47 AM#18
Originally posted by Spiider

 And you are suprised that they are greedy? Greed (profit) is their only motiv, only reason to exist. They do cancer research or try to find new energy sources. They exist to make money and will be remembered only for that once they go down. They have given nothing new or revolutionary to the world to make you rant like this. The solution is simple, don't play their games.

Could you tell us which game companies exist for other reasons than to make a profit? 

  Herodes

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9/26/09 9:48:55 AM#19

I agree with the OP.

The "buy or die" sign appears too soon in Free Realms. Other MT games like Atlantica, Runes of Magic, Wizard 101 etc let you dive far more into their worlds until they open their hands.

  micok

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10/27/09 5:48:00 AM#20

get a job,nothing is for free!

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