Originally posted by Omali

Originally posted by Blissey

Personally, I know this is fake. In all it's years, Jagex has never removed an update no matter how horrible. This is all just a ploy to get the world record for most votes in 25 days on an online game. You know they just want as many votes as possible because you don't have to enter your pass to make a legit vote. You could enter zezima a thousand times. In fact I'm sure people are doing that right now.

Umm...

22+ random events removed.

Gnomecopter Tours removed.

Dropping items via the bank interface.

Bounty Hunter mini-game removed.

Romeo and Juliet quest removed.

Hitpoints removed and replaced with Constitution.

Achievement diary removed and replaced with the task system.

Yeah I agree with Omali, They will obvs not piss off the entire runescape community.  If the vote has more Yes's then No's its going to pass.

The real question here is how long will it take for them to get it updated.

i disagree all ive seen is runescape numbers and memberships drop since the wildy update many moons ago i reckon they ither

1. are intersted on how many ppl would come back thru voteing wich they were surprised at because they said 100.000 votes wouldnt be enuf maby not evan 1million but they got a shocker when they got 1.2m in 24hrs

2. they are truely in need of money and due to this vote being so popular they might bring it back

the first update that fked pking was for to stop credit card fruad now im a black market player and credit card fruad was when ppl bought>>>> MEMBERSHIP <<<< with stolen credit cards so explian how blocking in game trading n stuff really cut it down because selling membership pins and in game items is still as popular as ever. they will never stop black markting so maby they know this and think we might aswell bring it back for the members.

from when runescape had pking memship pins and black marketing was 10/10 at its best they done update it went to 4/10 now id reckon market is back to 9/10 possibly 10/10 still easy to trade xfer items ect they said theyve shut down tons of sites n stuff theyve not they must be closing down 2 bit sites cause all major ones still exsist.

also with voteing system they now have a legit vote of

1. Yes

2. No

3. I dont mind

currently last time i look it was 534429 votes and

90% yes

8% no

2% i dont mind

also with the voteing u could only enter 1 name 50 times before it was unable to vote.

Originally posted by JudgeDead

also with voteing system they now have a legit vote of

1. Yes

2. No

3. I dont mind

 

currently last time i look it was 534429 votes and

 

90% yes

8% no

2% i dont mind

 

also with the voteing u could only enter 1 name 50 times before it was unable to vote.

True, But in reality the first one was miswritten, the first vote was really a "petition" to have a vote, which is why there was no No option or Either option :D But now its an actual "Vote" meaning what ever passes is going to be chosen.

The problem with the new "referendum" Is there is no End date. The original wilderness poll had a cut off date of 14th January (IIRC) which Jagex didn't follow anyway. Just one day and a bit after the poll opened, they closed that and set up this referendum.

Going by the definition of referendum, this is an actual real poll on whether the wilderness and free trade will be brought back, or not. The latest Rumours quote Mod MMG as saying they want 1million votes on Yes first. Aside from the fact they will be able to have told just how many names inputted into that first poll were actually legit, for all we know 550k were. I'm expecting the wilderness and free trade to be brought back, but i'm believing that the current referendum means just that. Unfortunately time and time again we've seen the efforts of Jagex done in a very unfair, and misguided way.

Now, if Jagex are now putting terms and conditions in with how many votes they need, whilst not publicizing it online, how are we meant to trust another one? People honestly thought the first vote was to bring back the wilderness. No one was expecting another vote (the one that is meant to matter). And with no end date advertised, what's to say they'll not just leave it open a few months, or close it on some random date citing a number needed?

Jagex are treading on very thin Ice with this. It'll go either way, and whichever way it goes for them, it'll go badly.

For now, I will be optimistic and take this as Jagex truly  realizing what a terrible mistake they have made, and are attempting to correct that error in judgement in good faith.  Of course, I could be wrong, but I too have been following their numbers since this terrible series of updates and they have been taking a huge blow to their pocketbooks and I am sure they have taken this hit hard.  Now as far as how they are going about correcting their error, I am not seeing this as a good approach to this.

1. They have created a whole series of new problems by keeping those updates as long as they have, making it much more difficult to " just reverse".

2. The way they went about having two polls was problematic because those who already voted may not vote again, because they think they already have.

3.  From what I have heard from players, is they already believe they will return the wilderness and trade and are just " waiting" already, if Jagex does not follow through in a timely manner, it will just further increase subscription loss.

4 .In regards to trade and wilderness options in their new poll, they  too are implementing this poorly. They could easily solve this by  just creating worlds with and without changes. Keep the PVP worlds and the armors gained there, and  then just create " pre update" worlds as well.  Them being uncertain as to what they are doing with revs and PVP armors isn't helping the situation. Rather than trying to find middle ground, they upset both sides again with the solution. Drops are one of the primary complaints with the new pvp system, and unless they offer real options here, how can people vote on something Jagex isn;t even sure about themselves. I think they jumped the gun with the way they went about this, and should have planned and thought this through more. Considering the amount of time since those updates, they have had plenty of time to think this through better.

5. I didn't see anything in the poll in regards to npc  drops that were affected with the update. For example, you leave an area  after partially klilling an npc and the drops do not appear for the remaining players.  You used to be able to have a friend accompany you during a slayer task and  they pick up everything you leave on the ground, since those updates the other players cannot see them, so you are unable to do this anymore. Is this also being repaired ? If not it is still a problem to the way  friends play together. When you have a friend that is much lower level playing with you, this was a good way you could work as a team to help one another, with this not being repaired, it still makes it more difficult to play with friends of different  levels.  I also didn;t see anything about items disappearing when you drop them either. One of my fondest memories in this game was after a slaughtering a clan, going to edge and dropping all their loot,  pming them  that it was on the ground and watching them hurry to edge to try and beat the people to their gear!  Good times- now if they fail to repair that aspect to it, they just took all the fun away for me. That was the best part of pking!

Now with that said, I do think them realizing they made a mistake and trying to correct it is a step in the right direction. I commend them for that. They just need to be a bit more professional about it rather than not thinking this through fully and presenting it in a disorganized  manner.

Originally posted by JudgeDead

i disagree all ive seen is runescape numbers and memberships drop since the wildy update many moons ago i reckon they ither

1. are intersted on how many ppl would come back thru voteing wich they were surprised at because they said 100.000 votes wouldnt be enuf maby not evan 1million but they got a shocker when they got 1.2m in 24hrs

 

2. they are truely in need of money and due to this vote being so popular they might bring it back

 

the first update that fked pking was for to stop credit card fruad now im a black market player and credit card fruad was when ppl bought>>>> MEMBERSHIP <<<< with stolen credit cards so explian how blocking in game trading n stuff really cut it down because selling membership pins and in game items is still as popular as ever. they will never stop black markting so maby they know this and think we might aswell bring it back for the members.

from when runescape had pking memship pins and black marketing was 10/10 at its best they done update it went to 4/10 now id reckon market is back to 9/10 possibly 10/10 still easy to trade xfer items ect they said theyve shut down tons of sites n stuff theyve not they must be closing down 2 bit sites cause all major ones still exsist.

They are giving away $10,000 a month for 2011. It may not be alot for an mmorpg, but if they need "money" they probably wouldn't do that

Originally posted by Mr.Happy

Originally posted by JudgeDead

i disagree all ive seen is runescape numbers and memberships drop since the wildy update many moons ago i reckon they ither

1. are intersted on how many ppl would come back thru voteing wich they were surprised at because they said 100.000 votes wouldnt be enuf maby not evan 1million but they got a shocker when they got 1.2m in 24hrs

 

2. they are truely in need of money and due to this vote being so popular they might bring it back

 

the first update that fked pking was for to stop credit card fruad now im a black market player and credit card fruad was when ppl bought>>>> MEMBERSHIP <<<< with stolen credit cards so explian how blocking in game trading n stuff really cut it down because selling membership pins and in game items is still as popular as ever. they will never stop black markting so maby they know this and think we might aswell bring it back for the members.

from when runescape had pking memship pins and black marketing was 10/10 at its best they done update it went to 4/10 now id reckon market is back to 9/10 possibly 10/10 still easy to trade xfer items ect they said theyve shut down tons of sites n stuff theyve not they must be closing down 2 bit sites cause all major ones still exsist.

They are giving away $10,000 a month for 2011. It may not be alot for an mmorpg, but if they need "money" they probably wouldn't do that

 Actually that is pocket change considering most games advertising budgets. That is actually a very good way to drum up support for your game and bring back a loyal following and I commend them for their recent efforts. Considering what they used to bring in in subs every month compared to what they have been bringing in after those updates. They  have been sufering from major losses with the decline in subs and the difficulties they have incurred from mechscape/ stellar dawn.

Using their advertising budget to secure a loyal " happy following" is a smarter move than blowing it on commercials and ineffective ads. I have also noticed they have been heavily advertising their " bring back the wildy" on this site and others that may have been considered " hostile territory" in an attempt to bring back players they lost from those updates, which I also think is a good move on their part.  I do hope they have finally come around and start putting players first. Good job Jagex

I think it's good idea. Now Clans will can fight for "big money". I like PvP worlds but wilderness is much fun. What with bots and gold sellers? Jagex want to continue "war" with this. I say: YES! *Thumbs up*

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