LMAO!

Totally irrelevant.

Being older doesn't mean you get more susceptible to incredible tyranny. People who choose to speak against JAGEX's tyranny, are open minded people. People who choose to "go with the flow" and accept these lame excuses as a legitimate reason, are close minded, and easy deluded people. I have played RS since 2002, I know what I am talking about. JaGEX had choices. They had options. To say "yeah yeah, they choose to fuck the game up, grow up", is pointless. A grown up person would not tolerate these things. A mature person would see past these false pretentions, and look at the game from a retrospective point of view. There is a difference between critisizing the game via experience, and bad mouthing the game via first impressions.

"Runescape might be dead for a lot of us, but the game itself is thriving. They've increased the number of worlds, introduced new skills, and have at least tripled the content since I last played. I can't see a dying game doing that. It was a wise choice that just had a bad taste for older gamers."

And the point is?

1) The number of worlds increased is irrelevant. There are better alternatives out there with less world, yet more capacity.

2)New skills? Even within the elite circle of "no-lives", there are legitimate players out there, with legitimate reasons as to why these new skills don't quality as skills compared to previous skills, or they are totally dumbed down compared to previous skills. You have to observe trends over a period of time in order to understand this.

3)Tripled the content, at the expense of what? Everyday, unecessary tweaks designed to dumb down the game further?

More child-friendly updates? The conscription of more and more random Pmods to fill the ranks lost to legitimate players who chose to move on?

4)Wise choice? Of course, if you look at it from the POV of a 09er, or a kid who jacks off to the essence of corporate greed, corporate game, overrated crap like WoW.

Okay. Where do I start...? I was hoping to make a point of how the game is changing, in aspects such as new ways to train, quest rewards and Dungeoneering, but instead I've gotten into an economic discussion (which could be one worth having, but is a separate talk in itself) and a nostalgia for the older game, which is missing the point. RS isn't the same game it used to be, and that's okay, and I think it's better. The only thing worth doing was grinding til you had levels to show off. It was all about a silly sense of pride you had in how long you could sit at your computer. It's changed. Now, I go on because I want to enjoy myself. That new Conquest game is awesome, and a great way to train defense.  But see, the problem is when people complain, taking this example, that their hard earned  capes would mean less. God forbid the game be interesting and rewarding. That's the kind of thing I was getting at. Not having free trade is fine. The expanded limits for long standing friends keeps me able to supply my group with everything out of my own pocket, if I wanted, so I couldn't care less about the trade limits, because I can still function just damn fine. The Wilderness is stocked full of content, even quests, to the point that it is a much more rich experience than it used to be. The game changed.

 I don't see the point on ranting on how "awesome" Jagex's actions were. You know that majority of RS players despise, and hate these updates. I don't need to tell you that. The truth speaks for itself. Go on YOUTUBE and check. The sentiment is overwhelming.

Don't blame it on us. I, deviliscious, and many others were are mere witnesses of this horror. What horror, you ask? The UNCESSARY nerfing of minor and major aspects in items, contents, quests, and the holistic economy.

You say : "The Wilderness is stocked full of content, even quests, to the point that it is a much more rich experience than it used to be."

I say again, at the expense of what? A rich legacy, a driving force, a UNIQUE aspect of Runescape? The wildy is what made RUNESCAPE the REAL DEAL, the trump card.

Nothing can equal the thrill of 3 hitting your opponent. Even to this day, ask any RSC pker and he is sure to recall his best 3 hit kill. Not just 3 hitting, there are also 1 hit and two hit kills though these are mostly for lower level kills.

Unlike today's RS combat system, in Runescape Classic you could not eat for 3 rounds of fighting. 3 hitting is when you are able to kill your opponent in exactly 3 rounds of fighting while he is still unable to eat.

3 hitting is very simple and looks effortless yet it is so rare. To those who have been 3 hit, this is the ultimate in humiliation and weakness as they are completely defenseless against it.

You say: "The expanded limits for long standing friends keeps me able to supply my group with everything out of my own pocket, if I wanted, so I couldn't care less about the trade limits, because I can still function just damn fine."

So let it be! I still don't see the point of ranting against people who despise tyranny, who have the guts to fight the power.

Double post. Tried editing and something weird was going on.

"You know that majority of RS players despise, and hate these updates." You should know that that's a terrible argument. If I told you the majority of people agreed with my stance, would that convey you? It shouldn't, because I couldn't prove a statement like that. Oh, but everyone agrees with me. Also, I was naming the good things not to praise them, but your argument consists of insults, why can't mine contain something positive? At this point, The positive surely outweighs the negative. Like you said "at the expense of what?" Well, if you lose something but make enough progress to surpass what you lost, isn't that beneficial? We don't use the Colosseum anymore, but we know the history, the glamor, but we've gained from losing it. How is me saying "that it is a much more rich experience than it used to be," without a point?

Originally posted by RogueHaven

"You know that majority of RS players despise, and hate these updates." You should know that that's a terrible argument. If I told you the majority of people agreed with my stance, would that convey you? It shouldn't, because I couldn't prove a statement like that. Oh, but everyone agrees with me. Also, I was naming the good things not to praise them, but your argument consists of insults, why can't mine contain something positive? At this point, The positive surely outweighs the negative. Like you said "at the expense of what?" Well, if you lose something but make enough progress to surpass what you lost, isn't that beneficial? We don't use the Colosseum anymore, but we know the history, the glamor, but we've gained from losing it. How is me saying "that it is a much more rich experience than it used to be," without a point?

You say: "You should know that that's a terrible argument."

Who's looking for an argument? Convey what? Man, your flamebating is outstanding.

You say: "It shouldn't, because I couldn't prove a statement like that. Oh, but everyone agrees with me.

Why in the world should you try to prove something unprovable? You previously mentioned that the wilderness is a much more "rich" experience. You're not positive, there. You are simply blasphemic. That is something that you can prove, unlike the latter.

You say: "why can't mine contain something positive? At this point, The positive surely outweighs the negative."

At what point? The deluded opinion of a person who doesn't have the slightest hint of the current situation?

Didn't I tell you to go and CHECK and see if the sentiment is overwhelming, because it IS overwhelming, regardless of your shenanigans, dude.

You say: "Like you said "at the expense of what?" Well, if you lose something but make enough progress to surpass what you lost, isn't that beneficial?"

Stop flamebating. STATE the benificial. I stated LEGITIMATE reasons as to why the wilderness is better than some 2-bit wasteland, ripped off from some generic MMORPG game like WoW.

You say: "but we've gained from losing it"

Who in the world is "we've"? A bunch of 09ers who play the game to get the typical 99 cape?

As I said, CORPORATE GREED.

You say: "We don't use the Colosseum anymore, but we know the history, the glamor, but we've gained from losing it"

What have we gained? The knowledge of Roman Culture? Does it reflect upon the Italians? No it doesn't.

How absurd. You state the COLOSSEUM, you attempt to relate it to the wilderness? Since when was the COLOSSEUM a zone where people could LURE?Where people could have large scale "world wars" with thousands of people slaughtering each other? Since when was the COLOSSEUM exploited by RMTraders on a negligible scale?

There's also nothing wayward about asking for hardlined evidence to backup ones ridiculous assumptions or assertions. The rest of your paragraph is a failed attempt at a colloquy that does not make any relevant sense at all. Is there a point to your posts?

This is so awkward, what are you doing? You're sitting here arguing with me, but every time I quote and argument you make, you act like you weren't arguing, and dismiss whatever I say. This is ridiculous...

You have digressed, not asserted a rejoinder to my inquiries, perceived me as? "ridiculous" and reiterated the utilization of the the term "hardlined". Adieu, I shall cease our deliberation, as it is blatant that you are paid  $$$, to perform this publicity stunt, in the name of JaGeX Ltd.

But you weren't sticking with your arguments... In fact, the one's you seemed to think were the most solid were simply ad hominem. So, my apologies if you came off as ridiculous. And no, not a dime.

Originally posted by RogueHaven

But you weren't sticking with your arguments... In fact, the one's you seemed to think were the most solid were simply ad hominem. So, my apologies if you came off as ridiculous. And no, not a dime.

 I always stick to my arguements, but rarely do people respond to irrefutable facts.

I do not want to argue, in all honesty. I just want developers to realize how they can bring better games to those they rely upon for their incomes, and not just BS players around with utter nonsense. I call it how I see it, and refer to the reality of what we deal with, and research how these things have been dealt with in a positive manner before offering my input on a situation.

I want results, not BS. I want devs to fully understand how their decisions affect their player base and the inner workings of game mechanics before they move forward on things that may be easier for them to deal with in the short term, but may have long term consequences to their games.

Jagex lost my respect when they chose to disrespect their own player base by Choosing dishonesty with their player base, while at the same time being more open with the general gaming communtiy. You tell me if on their very own forums have they ever told their player base that they promoted their under 13 age game , or that they promoted their  game as a junior mmo, and a training ground for other mmos? They lied to players while pulling this crao at e3. That in itself, regardless of everything else they did is reason to lose respect for them. It was wrong, and I am sure, you as a fan, realize this as much as I do.

I was a die hard defender of jagex, until they left their players out to dry. I srongly disagree that these changes were necessary, or are " for the better of the game". c'mon.. seriously?  They know better. I know better. You know better. They jut=st wanted to see how it would all play out. They lived they learned and hopefully will not make that mistake again.

It has nothing to do with how old a vet you are, it has everything to do with what you conisder to be worth your time. Look at dungeoneering for example.. okay in most games you get to keep your cool armor and weapons.  think about it... Once you max dungeoneering .. what is the end game for it? Hmm...

I'm afraid our efforts to educate this deluded fanboy, is futile. If he wants to remain deluded, if he wants to keep using the excuses of being optimistic as opposed to seeing reality, let it be. But if he wishes to preach such unwarranted crap, calls the wilderness a  "rich" experience with no proof whatsoever, then SHOW him the truth.

Originally posted by RogueHaven

But you weren't sticking with your arguments... In fact, the one's you seemed to think were the most solid were simply ad hominem. So, my apologies if you came off as ridiculous. And no, not a dime.

Well there's your problem right there. Blanket, oversimplified assumption based on nothing, that can't even be effectively attributed to me or anyone else here.

Originally posted by Blissey

 

Well there's your problem right there. Blanket, oversimplified assumption based on nothing, that can't even be effectively attributed to me or anyone else here.

But that's all you did to me, lol. All this thread was about was to say that there's a kind of person in RS that you have to look out for: the unshakingly nostalgic. 

Originally posted by RogueHaven

Originally posted by Blissey

 

Well there's your problem right there. Blanket, oversimplified assumption based on nothing, that can't even be effectively attributed to me or anyone else here.

But that's all you did to me, lol. All this thread was about was to say that there's a kind of person in RS that you have to look out for: the unshakingly nostalgic. 

You DO know that you are flamebating,considering the fact that this particular forum is a cesspool of well informed, well educated people right aka veterans?

I have somewhat grasped your animadversion. Thy missive conveys coital, incestuous comportment, and as I said, there's also nothing wayward about asking for hardlined evidence to? backup ones ridiculous assumptions or assertions.

"...coital, incestuous comportment." I'll have to use that O_o I am educated, and experienced.

Eh, you can't always avoid the type of people you talk about. I'm one of them and yet I seem so kind..and nice..

Does that mean im evil or a douche of some sort? I hope not :X.

But to be more serious. The reason we are 'nostalgic' is because the game was great back in the days for us. I'm not saying back when we could pk in wildy and stuff like that. I'm saying back to when the game didn't rely on being rich to suceed.

Aka; after they introduced bounty worlds, but only if the economy wasn't so stuck up as of now (The best shield in the game costs more then the maximum capacity of gold you may probably never get in your life.)

Originally posted by RogueHaven

"...coital, incestuous comportment." I'll have to use that O_o I am educated, and experienced.

instead of having this pointless discussion, let's have a little game, shall we? You get a point if someone posts in favor of Jagex. I get a point if someone posts in favor of the rebels.

The only people we're going to get is people who don't like jagex because, one, that's the kind of person these forums attract, and two, the satisfied aren't likely to make a fuss about how satisfied they are.

Originally posted by RogueHaven

The only people we're going to get is people who don't like jagex because, one, that's the kind of person these forums attract, and two, the satisfied aren't likely to make a fuss about how satisfied they are.

 Are you guys STILL bickering?  Enough with the nonsense! Silly boys!

Runescape itself has alot of potential. Jagex itself has alot of issues. I think  they have a lot of great that can be taken from this game, but in it's current state it needs alot of work to make it decent. Maybe just maybe they will fix what is broken one day, who knows we are not fortune tellers. Based on their past decsions however, I would not hold my breath.. I mean they have been working on this for over 10 years.

I would like to see a Runescape3 and have them take a new approach with the same kind of Mindset that Arena Net took when creating Guild wars 2. PUT PLAYERS FIRST for once.. they then could create an Awesome game.

There really is so much that could be done to improve the game, and no I am not talking about taking it back to floating armless blobs spitting at each other and cannot run, I am talking about real improvements to create a new rewarding fun game to play.

It isn't fun when you feel like you wasted your time after reaching your in game goals. They need to make the rewards worth the efforts, add features sucha s WASD movement and point and click options, they need to take the good and lose the bad and make the whole thing good rather than break it more and then try to fix it a little and then break it more.. 

 The possibilities for this are infinite..

Imagine a crafting system where every in game item is craftable, socketable, tradable, dropable, customizable.. where players can set the stats for the weapons and armor, where players can add designs and change the colors add embelishments to their armors and weapons.

Imagine a game where you have a wilderness pvp zone where you can also  build  forts and catapults for pvp and have seige wars as well as ship wars..

Imagine a game where you have access to all in game content on one player and you have a great variety of skills that actually mean something in game. Like in order to create high level items you need a combination of high level skills.

Imagine a game where  people are not too depressed to talk, that things happen at a higher pace, where  there is no reason to repeat the same thing over and over again. Where they keep the skills and items interesting so you do not even realize you are training your account because it is actually fun to do so, and when you get there, You feel rewarded for your efforts.

Imagine them incorporating the real players stories into the game. When you read the books in the in game library they are about real players. When you see statues around town, they are those of the real players that are the best at those skills.

There really is so much they can do with this game, they chose not to do. These things have all been suggested over the years, but Jagex ignores that and does strange things..

Maybe one day, they will realize the full potential of their game, and make it better. It isn;t about not wanting things to change, it is wanting things to change for the better, not worse. It would be nice.