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Why don't you just play Earth Eternal, it's not a kids MMO and offers more than RS.

Originally posted by bobfish

Why don't you just play Earth Eternal, it's not a kids MMO and offers more than RS.

I can;t see myself going from a great game like Guild Wars to a  "family friendly " mmo where you can run around pretending to be furry animals and frogs.. NO THANKS.
 

Other than Guild Wars at the moment , I like FPS games, and strategy based games.

What you consider a " kids game" and what I consider a " kids game" appears to be two entirely differnt things.

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Completely agree with everything. Killing the Old Wilderness was the single most stupid thing Jagex could've done to RS. It WAS the best PvP area hands down, out of any MMO out there. Finallly! Somebody else realizes their Useless Forums!!

I played runscape ever since it was Classic 2-and-a-half D style back in 01, and even THEN they didnt go near their suggestion forum. I suggested things from mounts (Which they tell you to NEVER suggest now-Along with all the other good ideas) to player owned houses and buyable(and USEFUL) pets. At one point I completely outlined a potential 2 and a half page non class specific skill tree which was promptly deleted with that famous "Serious...Jagex...blaa...blaa" line they love to use.

RWTers and Bots? Dont even want to get into that.....

Final verdict? Runescape went down the tubes with the end of the old wilderness and the beginning of the dumb skills. (I.E. Summoning, Farming...).

At least there's a good community! Oh wait.....-_-

Originally posted by DragonsBeRed

Completely agree with everything. Killing the Old Wilderness was the single most stupid thing Jagex could've done to RS. It WAS the best PvP area hands down, out of any MMO out there. Finallly! Somebody else realizes their Useless Forums!!

I played runscape ever since it was Classic 2-and-a-half D style back in 01, and even THEN they didnt go near their suggestion forum. I suggested things from mounts (Which they tell you to NEVER suggest now-Along with all the other good ideas) to player owned houses and buyable(and USEFUL) pets. At one point I completely outlined a potential 2 and a half page non class specific skill tree which was promptly deleted with that famous "Serious...Jagex...blaa...blaa" line they love to use.

RWTers and Bots? Dont even want to get into that.....

 

Final verdict? Runescape went down the tubes with the end of the old wilderness and the beginning of the dumb skills. (I.E. Summoning, Farming...).

 

At least there's a good community! Oh wait.....-_-

While you can fault Jagex for a whole lot of things, you have to be crazy to say they don't respond to user suggestions. While they may never have responded in the forums to your particular suggestions (or perhaps even deleted suggestions that the specific forum FAQ said would be deleted if posted, in order to keep the forum uncluttered), they make changes to Runescape in response to user feedback all the time.

And while I understand that PKers miss the old wilderness and full loot PKing, Jagex had a clear and understandable reason for getting rid of it: Real World Traders. RWT and botting is largely gone from Runescape nowadays. Or at least is was when I stopped playing it within the last year.

And skills like Summoning and Farming were bad? Come on, they were in response to user suggestions (which you claim they ignore) and were incredibly useful. I think they were actually great additions (especially if you wanted herbs for herblore and didn't want to kill mobs day in and day out for 'em), and integrate well into the existing skills.

Runescape's shortcomings are legion: graphics, gameplay, the unequaled grind, the huge population of low-lives, the cheating culture, the lack of group/community, amongst others. But your criticisms are either reflective of a lack of understanding or flat out false.

Originally posted by PhelimReagh

Originally posted by DragonsBeRed

Completely agree with everything. Killing the Old Wilderness was the single most stupid thing Jagex could've done to RS. It WAS the best PvP area hands down, out of any MMO out there. Finallly! Somebody else realizes their Useless Forums!!

I played runscape ever since it was Classic 2-and-a-half D style back in 01, and even THEN they didnt go near their suggestion forum. I suggested things from mounts (Which they tell you to NEVER suggest now-Along with all the other good ideas) to player owned houses and buyable(and USEFUL) pets. At one point I completely outlined a potential 2 and a half page non class specific skill tree which was promptly deleted with that famous "Serious...Jagex...blaa...blaa" line they love to use.

RWTers and Bots? Dont even want to get into that.....

 

Final verdict? Runescape went down the tubes with the end of the old wilderness and the beginning of the dumb skills. (I.E. Summoning, Farming...).

 

At least there's a good community! Oh wait.....-_-

 

While you can fault Jagex for a whole lot of things, you have to be crazy to say they don't respond to user suggestions. While they may never have responded in the forums to your particular suggestions (or perhaps even deleted suggestions that the specific forum FAQ said would be deleted if posted, in order to keep the forum uncluttered), they make changes to Runescape in response to user feedback all the time.

 

And while I understand that PKers miss the old wilderness and full loot PKing, Jagex had a clear and understandable reason for getting rid of it: Real World Traders. RWT and botting is largely gone from Runescape nowadays. Or at least is was when I stopped playing it within the last year.

 

And skills like Summoning and Farming were bad? Come on, they were in response to user suggestions (which you claim they ignore) and were incredibly useful. I think they were actually great additions (especially if you wanted herbs for herblore and didn't want to kill mobs day in and day out for 'em), and integrate well into the existing skills.

 

Runescape's shortcomings are legion: graphics, gameplay, the unequaled grind, the huge population of low-lives, the cheating culture, the lack of group/community, amongst others. But your criticisms are either reflective of a lack of understanding or flat out false.

I am not sure where you have been over the past decade that Jagex has worked on Runescape, but while I was there  they DID NOT respond to player suggestions.  For years, players asked for good 99 stat items..  something that could make you chop wood faster, stop burning manta rays to mine faster, but what did they get instead? A piece of crap emote cape.
 

In fact, their response to most everything that the core player base requested was " we do not feel that is for Runescape" . we suggested engineering, ship battles,  new armor types.. but instead they  chose to cater to "turnover" and focus on making their game a Junior mmo rather than try to work with  keeping their core player base. I definately disagree with you on "Jagex listens to their players" stance. I have seen this for too many years from them to feel otherwise.

Jagex's removal of the wilderness and trade was the worst possible method to combat RWT ( or RMT as every other game has called it for many years) and it was not even effective. Sellers just have acc training services, sell full loaded accounts, so you just have higher level bots, it did not solve anything, and ruined the gameplay. Programs access their client in a different manner than regular players, so they have solutions that could have been implemented to stop botting that had no effect on gameplay at all. Many websites ban IP addresses, this is somethng that could be easily implemented with a HD Ip detection tool that loads at start of game. You refuse the HD detection tool, and you don;t play. Simple as that. This would stop ISP IP confusion issues, and make sure they are banning the HD's not the ISP IP.

You see, yes maybe naive 12 yr olds may fall for this nonsense about using this to combat RMT as an actual solution, but the rest of the gaming  world sees this as a joke. Many games have combatted  3rd party RMT in better ways than Jagex chose, though what Jagex chose was within their " new framework" which was taking the game in a direction to attract young children. Young children didn;t like the wilderness because they lost all their stuff and cried to mommy. Young children were upset because they chose to give their stuff away so they had to prevent everyone else from being able to do so to appease them.  This was the direction they chose and all of this nonsense with the trade and wilderness fell into the master plan of having a completely child friendly babysitting service by the second to  third quarter of 2009.

Farming and summoning were bad, when the players had been asking for engineering and ship building wars instead. Summoning is like having a pokemon BS, not even decent summoning like you get from playing a necromancer where you can summon  multiple evil demons to attack your opponents in pvp like you can do on Guild wars. No instead they went the cute pokemon route aimed at young children. Lets go collect some pets.. lmao...

Now I agree with what you stated about their other shortcomings, but I do strongly disagree with your assestment of the other information as being false. They repeatedly throughout the years provided some of the worst customer service I have ever dealt with, were rude and treated players and their ideas poorly, and disregarded their core player base in favor of creating a game that was a " turnstall" or in their own words: 

"In the Quarter 2 or 3 of 2009, the Parental Controls dashboard will be launched. This provides parents with the means to set how often and how long their children can play Runescape, set various chat settings and have various controls over their children's Friends List – such as the ability to add friends with or without parental approval.

Just as MUDs were the precursors to MMORPGs, Henrique described Runscape as a Junior MMORPG. A great training ground for other MMORPGs."

www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/37/feature/2065

 A Junior MMO, a training ground for other mmos" does that sound like a company that plans on keeping their players? or plans on sending them elsewhere instead? There is a difference between focusing on your player base, and focusing on getting kids who make for poor community in the door and ignoring your core player base's requests.