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Star Wars: The Old Republic News - Space Combat Confirmed
Posted by Suzie Ford on Jul 23, 2010 | 162 comments in our forums
At this weekend's Comic Con in San Diego, Star Wars: The Old Republic developers were on hand for a special panel. During their talk, devs confirmed that space combat will be an integral part of The Old Republic. Devs have a plan to reveal more about space combat in the upcoming weeks including a spread in the October 2010 issue of PC Gamer which goes on sale in mid-August.
If you’ve been following the news coming out of the Star Wars™: The Old Republic™ panel at Comic-Con International, you’ve heard the announcement that we will indeed have Space Combat as part of the TOR experience! But what does that mean? Space combat is an alternative gameplay experience to the primary game of storytelling, questing, and ground-based combat. In space combat, you fly your personal ship to various “hot spots” on your galaxy map. From there, you will blast your way through asteroid fields, enemy fighters, frigates, destroyers, and a variety of other obstacles that will evoke memories of some of the great Star Wars™ space battles. To learn more, pick up the October 2010 edition of PC Gamer which hits newsstands starting August 17th for screenshots and an exclusive interview or check back with us in the weeks to come.
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Nice!
I'm so much faster then you!
This is clearly a total lie.
After all after countless threads on SW:TOR in these forums we already know exactly what is in the game,theminutiae of it's game mechanics and have already judged it's failure /success without the need for actual facts or hands on experience.
Rofl!!
+1 for comic relief value
Hah! I suspected as much.
I expect that a lot of people who were bashing SWTOR because of "no space combat" will have to change their tune.
Rooofles!
Yes Its the Wow Killa!
I don't normally allow Horkathane posts to go unchecked, but the news made me so happy this time, I'm going to allow it.
Great news, and renewed my interest in the game at least a little bit, will just have to see how it looks, what the combat will be like and if its actually done well or is just kind of thrown in there half assed. Im kind of worried with all their past talk of most likely not having space combat, now suddenly it's in... youve kind of got to wonder were they just basically playing the PR game to surprise us with this and get more attention to the game closer to launch, or was it that they saw all the dissappointment in there being no space combat as of yet so they said "Well we better throw something in there, even if its not great, just so more people will buy it since we have space combat now". Im hoping the latter isnt the case and it is well executed and fun.
I wish they would stop adding great stuff to this game. I was happy with it as it was and now I have to get happier
Bah! do something silly to make up for it? Jaja incoming.....
Seriously this game is gonna be solid gold wookie poo - Pre ordered and cant wait
Oh no...this game is now DooooOOOOoooooOOOOoooooOOOoooommMMMMmmmmmMMmmmmmed
While its a good step it doesn't sound very good. If they did space combat I would hope for something more akin to the whole Xwing vs Tie fighter sort of thing. JTL was close but just not all that great. To me the release information for space combat in TOR sounds a bit more like mini games:
"In space combat, you fly your personal ship to various “hot spots” on your galaxy map. From there, you will blast your way through asteroid fields, enemy fighters, frigates, destroyers, and a variety of other obstacles that will evoke memories of some of the great Star Wars™ space battles."
Now, if the combat is fully fleshed out and there is a way to upgrade one's personal ship etc, then its a great thing. Otherwise it sounds more like a pickle on a burger (nice but far from important).
Definitely doesn't diminish my expectations for the game because, like in SWG, I suspect space flight (for me) will be something that will break up the monotony of questing :P
Happy to hear that there will be space combat in the game. But some questions still remain. Will it be full out space flight, twitch based combat? Or will it end up being turret firing mini games like the KOTOR games. The former...HELL YEAH! The latter...meh. I am guessing by the mention of hotspots that all the space combat will be instanced. Will there be any non-instanced space stuff at any point. What about PvP space combat?
To condense it all into one question, is the space combat going to be more SWG or more KOTOR?
Hope no one takes this wrong way and thinks I am trying to be a hater or be very negative about the news. I will be playing the hell outta SW:TOR when it hits, I don't think it will suck enough (at all) to make me not want to play it. I just can't help but look at the wording of the news bit and think that it could read either way. Still nice to know that there WILL be some kind of space combat content in the game.
yawn.. star wars galaxies had it also and 'space combat' just sucked. 'space combat' is just more as simple dialogs with a million of possible answers.
I think you are confused. They never actually said they are not having space combat , they said they don't want to talk about it at the time. See this company appears to be a company that is either stupid or genius at marketting. They like to release little tid bits of info here and there and wait for when they are on tv and have the national spotlight to release Big things like this.. I am sure it was all apart of their strategy, now some folks that may have lost interest are interested again. We will see this happen as time goes on.
Funny how passive some people are being about this news, when considering not long ago everyone's complaint was that there wasn't space combat lol.
*shrug* Even if it is more a minigame, so what. It's cool that it's there, but I am not space nut either way.
Wootage!
I don't mean to dog it, cuz I've not played it...but the description they have here of space combat seems kind of like a tack-on feature.
Just go shoot crap in the corner when you're bored of the story.
Again, if its like massive fleet battles were you just jump in and start shooting crap...that could be fun.
this doesn't mean that its going to be GOOD space combat.
It doesn't mean its going to be X-Wing Vs. TIE Fighter.
Try not to get your hopes up yet, it might just be a "Free Realms-style" mini-game. Or... like the mini games that were already IN the original KOTOR game.
Thing is it's not so much that they wanted JUST space combat, but that they wanted GOOD space combat. After all, STO had space combat and well... yeah i wont even bother going there we all know the story.
Will really have to wait and see exactly how it looks/plays and how it ties into the rest of the game. As a few others have mentioned, this description makes it seem more like a tacked on mini-game type thing to play when youre bored rather than an important part of the core of the game with any real impact. If they do incorporate it well into the rest of the game and everything else works good, it will be awesome.... but if its the minigame style a lot of people are gonna be dissappointed.
i eagerly await some footage and details of this space combat.
This announcement by all means and accounts have open the box of sheer excitement as well as absolute terror for obvious reasons.
1. with the confirmation of space combat, will this also play introduction to manual space flight.. No stupid duh answers, this is as serious as a heart attack, for all we known, space combat could be a mini game of turret gunning ala kotor as worse case scenario..
2. follow up with 1, will this also introduce either space travel from one planet to the next? or closed in hot spots only focused on Combat only, (ya..space combat) and nothing else, nothing else being travelling space delivering supplies, or smuggling them for that matter. ( smuggling ship running from bounty hunter ship cops n robbers style anyone?)
3. what ships will be there at our disposal?, several different kinds of ships.. fighters, frigates?...destroyers? or do we make do with just with our player house ship and run with it?
These questions were going to be asked eventually, might as well get it out of the way now before the hype train runs everybody over.
Makes no difference. They will whine and bitch ABOUT the space combat, or how shitty it is, or some other reason to hate it. These forums are filled with bile to put it nicely. Doesn't matter how well they actually do, people here just focus on the negative aspect of things.
For those of you who WERE NOT there:
It is not a minigame or some half-ass implementation. Full integrated story and missions based in space that are completely optional. The sooner people quit bitching about sandbox blah blah and how much they are SURE will and will not be in, the sooner they will see the level of immersion and depth they are putting in the game,
Read the article closely. When the transcript is released read that too. Then maybe some of you can quit talking out of your ass for a change.
Sorry, I just get sick of the doom and gloom that floats in this toilet. I have hopes this news will shut some people up, but most likely they'll flame me and move on to something else to bitch about. But thats typical for mmorpg.
Space combat in TOR will be like Eve Online.
Well they have been saying all along that each character will have their own ship, but they only discussed how it is used for managing companions, so that could mean it's been a planned feature and will have some depth to it.
But then again that could also mean they are tacking combat on as a last minute thing. I have my doubts about that though, the ships have been there for the longest time, kind of hard to imagine they didn't have further plans for them other than npc storage.
if it incorporates the travelling aspect then i wouldnt mind, that also includes the spread sheet that goes with it.
My balls pulsed and my head started feeling warm when I heard the news..........not really, but it's fabulous news anyway.
When do we get to hear from all of those who whined and cried about the lack of space combat? Of course, now they'll shut up about that and pick something else to cry about.
Space Combat could be fun. It wasn't anything I was dissapointed about not having, so having it is just a little bonus.
If they do it like Warhammer does with RVR hot spots I think it'll be a huge win.
Ad-hoc fleets that people can join and drop at will, quick turn around times after being podded in battle, and meaningful benefits for your side when certain goals are acheived.
I'm excited now...
The game will go from a 'Maybe' to a 'Will buy on Day 1' if they allow or ship customization with colors or module upgrades/ship configuration changes.
agreed...mine went from "will buy day 1" to "will preorder collector's edition"
Well Bioware have definitely got my interest now...
Agreed. Although I went from "Will preorder collector's edition" to "Will preorder colletor's edition and weep tears of joy" =P
Gosh... the hype dampeners were working because this genuinely surprised me. I was fully prepared for no manual space flight.
This DOES change things for a few people. It gives the game depth and resonates better with the whole Star Wars IP. I *almost* fell for the STO debacle because I thought switching between ground play and space combat would be really fun.
It also makes me wonder now whether the swtich to the planet view, and space ships at the end of the Hope trailer wasn't in fact a hint of the things to come... clever Bioware, very clever. :)
Buy collector's editions, buy lifetime subscriptions.
And then get mad when the game isnt' what you thought it'd be.
What a repetitive group we have around here.
Finally. At least this game is going to be huge. Having this added feature will certainly bring more people and get excited with it.
Excellent....
rofl. You're hilarious dude. You mock all the people who are hyped and excited for this game as being a repetitive group, and yet you yourself are looped in with a "repetitive group" of your own.
The Annoying Whiney TOR Trolls Crew.
You guys are all the same. You constantly barrage the TOR forums with how bad the game is going to be. But YOUR posts in particular are especially predictable. If the topic is TOR, you can be damn sure everything in your post will be about how bad it will be.
Every one of your posts is "this game isn't going to be as good as everyone thinks" or "it doesn't live up to Star Wars lore" or "SWG is better than TOR will be" or "there won't be space combat". And then, when there is space combat, "it won't be good! It won't be "X-Wing vs. Tie Fighter". "Bioware sucks, all their games are bad." You sure have a lot of bad blood about EVERYTHING in this game. Like... literally EVERYTHING.
The difference between our groups? The excited people have something to be excited about right now because this is big news. You are just proving, yet again, that your group really has nothing better to do than attempt to dampen people's spirits with despondent and dejected outlooks on life.
I prefer my group, at least everyone is in high spirits. If the game happens to suck at launch, I'm glad I had the months prior to enjoy life rather than being a sad little ingrate.
I concur. It is impossible that there is space combat in SW:TOR as most of the budget went into paying for voice acting. This is an established fact, hundreds of completely uninformed cellar dwelling net-tards can't be wrong. In fact so much of the budget went to paying for voice acting services we will be lucky if they don't just release the game as Star Wars: The Old Republic, The Spoken Word Album.
Having the people who are making the game and actually know what the hell is and isn't in the game tell us otherwise is in no way convincing. I'm ashamed that a reputable web site like MMORPG.com would stoop to such an underhanded and ridiculous tactic.
For the real truth on exactly what features the game SW:TOR will contain, I now turn you over to a man wearing a tinfoil hat.
/SARCASM OFF
I felt a great disturbance in the force. It was as if millions of doomsayers suddenly cried out in embarrassment and were suddenly silenced.
till they find something else to B!tch about......
I felt a great disturbance in the force. It was as if millions of doomsayers suddenly cried out in embarrassment and were suddenly silenced.
QFMFT
I knew if I looked hard enough that SOMEONE would find a way to bitch about it.
Nah.. they'll still find something else.
Well people been complaining their won't be any flight combat, now they announced it, people complain it will sucks... Well this is really funny how "haterz" just can't ever stop!
Actually if anything, the space combat system only reveals truly how much of a cookie-cutter, linear game SWTOR is going to be. Some players so far are over looking that everyone will have the exact same ship depending on your faction only. The only customization there will be is the interior that has already been talked about.
Not to mention that this space content is separate from the main gameplay much like monster-play is in Lotro which equals no content. So I really don't get why the fanbois are celebrating already when they basically just got Facebook for space content. If BW wants to do space, they need to do it right and not with last-century's Hero engine for starters.
It is sort of silly how people went from "lol no spacez combatz, lol they confirmed it, lolz, my friend of a friend told me there won't be any, this game sucks"...
To what we have currently.
The spaceflight will suck, it will be 10 people per "instance", etc etc.
Even though it was a very small panel they had, they put out a lot of information.
Space combat is in. Speculation is great and needed. But declaring space combat according to how you feel about the game (haters calling it from mini games to a terrible shooter, or fanbois saying it's Tie Fighter reincarnated) just isn't right.
They said the PCgamer mag will have pictures for the issue released on the 17th? ish. Pictures and details. Let's wait till then till we scream how great it is or isn't!
I'm glad you have given us your insight on how space combat will be, seeing that no one other than Bioware knows how it actually plays out.
Lets first wait and see how it will be represented ingame. We already know that your personal spaceship will have an interior that you can customize when its landed.
But we dont know yet if spacecombat will be like in SWG, where you can walk inside the interior (in a POB anyway) during flight/combat. Its possible that the combat is represented in a STO way. With just a tiny ship that represents you in some weird fake spaceenvironment.
So especially the ppl who liked SWG spacecombat might want to wait first how it will be implemented in SW:TOR.
In regards to ship exterior customization:
"Of course, it would be pretty boring to have an entire galaxy packed with a handful of similar ships. To combat this, BioWare has created a robust customization package so that you can fully trick out your ship with premade gear sets or your own hand-picked items. Though BioWare isn't showing off the ships in action just yet, they assure us that there will be thousands of different variations so that each person can feel as if they have a unique vessel."
http://uk.pc.ign.com/articles/109/1096845p1.html
3rd paragraph.
^ this.
Perhaps because no mmo, ever, has launched as fully voiced, with housing and space combat at the day of launch? doesnt that just show the ambition we need, with their financial backing?..just a thought..
This game will be so awesome, Subscription numbers will be huge! Hopefully, they will put a Eta-2 clone in. I love that spaceship.
This thread cracks me up.
1 person: It might suck if it's like this... or this....
2nd Person: OMG No its not, its going to be epic. youre completely wrong, the space combat isnt like that all. You dont know what youre talking about.
Bioware: We're not going to talk about any details (yet again), but be sure to pick up a copy of this particular magazine we made a deal with to cover it exclusively.... 3 months from now.
CAN I BE THE SPACE FOR THIS?
WILL I BE THE SPACE FOR THIS?
That still doesnt show how itll look in action. If your ship will be represented by looking at it from the outside? Or that you will be able to look from the inside.
I have difficulties trying to translate this in English, but in SWG you can walk through the interior of your ship while being in space(combat). A ship can have turrets that groupmembers can enter. A large gunship for example has multiple rooms that can be freely decorated and a lot of turrets. So your group can move freely inside the interior and when combat starts ppl walk over to the turrets etc, where they can look outside the ship from the turret.
While in STO you also have a ship interior, but its not used during spacecombat. During combat you see a smaller representation of your ship, which breaks immersion for me.
The STO way seems to be a lot easier to implement, but SWG way is more immersive imo.
Even if space combat is really limited at the start I must say bravo on the initiative to get it into the game on release Bioware. I am becoming more an more impressed with this game as the news rolls out.
I hope the space combat is similar to that of SWG, I really enjoyed the fact that you could target areas of the ship to disable weapons or power.
The wording does make me a bit unsure, but we'll see details in time. And at least now we know that we will have space combat.
If only we got swoop racing with upgradeable parts, too. :P
Remember Star Wars: The Knights of the Old Republic where the ship flew automatic and you were at the turret firing at enemy fighters, etc.? Yeah.
I'm still excited for SW:TOR none the less.
That would be totally lame if that's what they mean by space combat, however that alone won't deter me from checkin out this game.
That is the truth.
What it says to me is, this isn't EVE online, it's not the games major focus, we do have more to share in regard to it though. That's really all I've taken away from this reveal, which was an expected one to be quite honest, at least for me.
WOOT! Thats what I'm talking abbout u know this will leave room for alot of grorth for the 1st expanstion. This MMO is going to be Epic just as Epic as me being a Member of the ToR site since Oct. 08 The longest I have ever put into a Game that isn't even out. I mean I haven't spant this much time on the Fourms or scan site's since while ever. WoW was a Great game I lost 5 years of my life to and a wife . I think this might be taking up at least that much time plus.
as long its not like flying is syrup as in SWG, more like the old "X-wing vs tie fighter".
Exactly.
So many ppl around here jumping the gun and telling everyone how the game sucks because it doesn't have this or doesn't have that, when they just couldn't be patient and wait for the info to eventually come out, for heavens sake the game is a year away from release, your never going to get the full picture immediately the game is announced.
Perhaps now ppl will be less likely to moan and groan that SWTOR is lacking certain features, when in fact those "missing" features are being worked on.
Nope. Yes, it\s the october issue, but it'll be released middle of August.
This.
Haters that can see the world in nothing but drenched in negativity disgust me, as much IRL as on forums.
Even though fanboism isn't my thing, I do like the group that can be truly happy or enthusiastic about things more than the group that can do nothing but whine and flame and troll and get some warped satisfaction from that.
This was the Best Space Combat out to DATE. The PoBs and PvP dogfights in your Ties where Epic. This is what I'm Pushing for but don't expect to see till at least the 1st expanstion. They was so worried about story and there Idea of what ppl wanted was far from what the ToR fans wanted. This was one reason starting a Site 2.4 years before launch is really going to help this game. If they would just get us the Space Format from SWG with a Wing Commander MMO I would be in seventh heaven hehe. I would be sit for the rest of my life then Nv end KotOR and the Fun cat killing spree of WC. But maybe this is just me hehe.
Please stop hyping this game. Every bit of hype will make it FAIL twice as hard than it would normally.
There is a Good side to that anyway - Once this game gets shunned by everyone upon launch due to being a wow clone, which ruined KOTOR franchise, Bioware will finally open up their eyes and develop KOTOR III, with actual NO WOW-ARTSTYLE, ACTUAL CHARACTERS and especially A STORYLINE WHERE WHAT YOU DID IN KOTOR I AND II ACTUALLY MATTERS, instead of huge piss at fans with "well your chars from those games are dead and failed, trolololo"
wait. just hold on........
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Actually there has been. It's called EQ2, which is only filled with their niche fans now and barely surviving as a mmo anymore. VO's are last century and nothing new. The Hero engine is also like I pointed out is last century tech and is like flying a brick. If you tried APB, then you have an idea how not fun that is.
I didn't post anything they didn't already say. It's just that too many fanbois are trying to hype up the release without actually reading what was said. All they read is space and combat without reading what was actually said.
That quote was taken from E3. What was said at comic-con is that you will be flying your personal housing ship in space combat and there are only two types right now like I said. I'm sure they will add more later, but by the sounds of it, not by launch.
No, EQ2 wasn't fully voiced. Get your facts straight.
Actually, at the comic-con this was being said 'you get to customise your starship'. I don't see how this counteracts their E3 revelations, it rather seems to complement it.
Your statements seem to be more off.
Further this was said:
In space combat, you fly your personal ship to various “hot spots” on your galaxy map. From there, you will blast your way through asteroid fields, enemy fighters, frigates, destroyers, and a variety of other obstacles that will evoke memories of some of the great Star Wars™ space battles.
Sounds good to me. Sure, it's no EVE Online, but who was realistically expecting EVE gameplay mechanics completely integrated in SW TOR?
Look, you hate SW TOR for some strange reason. Also, you don't like it being hyped for some reason. That's fine.
Just don't try to come up with some warped arguments or half-lies in order to prove your position.
And too many doubters trying to justify their own take on what they think space combat is. Read what the Comic-Con panel has to say, don't bother putting your own slant on something thats in black and white.
Still can't believe ppl are being negative when a huge bit of news hits us out of the blue, the doubters say "Wah wah, no space combat this sucks" Then we get space combat and the doubters respond" Wah wah, it's not EVE space combat, it's going to be a farce".
I'l bet if their neighbour won the lottery they would be the first ones to say "It will only bring them misery" only see the negative never the positives, makes you wonder why they even bother to stay playing MMO's if it's all doom and gloom.
Flying in space using the hero engine is like flying a brick is not a slant, it's fact, lol. But nice try
It's just WAYYYY too damn early to be saying crap like that. Pretty much the only thing we know for sure is that space combat will be a separate thing from ground combat. But that's for balance perpasiss, among other things. They simply don't want players to be able to go to the surface of a planet with their ship(s) and blow the hell out of land players below. Or even to prevant massive lag for land combat players.
As for everything else you mentioned, it's all up in the air until the game officially launches. Nothing else yet has been set in stone.
Finally, about the whole "hero engine" thing, to be honest, you kind of lost me on that one. For one this game is going to be nothing like APB, I just have no flippin' idea where you got that connection.
No it won't be that dull. I think it will be instanced space dungeon with clear objectives and will be a lot of fun.Awesome news. I've been hoping this game would have space combat for some time now, but it's not something I couldn't live without for the game either. Even still, can't wait to see what direction they go with this.
And I love how the new interview and screenshots will be in the October issue of PC Gamer, but it hit news stands at the end of August. Simply priceless...
The same place they get all their other information, Pinky. They pull it out of the wondrous new Typical Hysterical Egotistical Incendiary Raucous Arrogant Sanctimonious Snobbish, database. Or T.H.E.I.R.A.S.S. for short.
I have no idea how this game will pan out. To be honest I'm expecting to dislike it as I fear it will follow the same themepark method of so many recent MMos I hated. However I could be wrong, since they haven't told us enough about the game for me to make a final decision. I would never claim that I know for a fact how this game will perform or be received by its fans based on such sketchy information. I find it hilarious to see these pathetic posters who so confidently try to inform us beyond a shadow of a doubt, exactly what this game entails and why it will, or will not, suck. Unless you are either psychic or a Bioware developer anything you say is nothing more than an opinion. And in most cases a very uneducated opinion at that.
FACT: Up until a couple of days ago most of you doomsayers were flapping your gums at great length that there would be NO, NADA, ZERO, space combat in SW:TOR, mainly due to the fact that voice acting took up most of the budget. You know what? YOU WERE WRONG.
So their reaction? They once again confidently wade in and say "Oh well sure it will be in there, but it will suck." based on the most tenuous of information. You guys are like a broken record. Until you are interested in rational, logical conversation why don't you do to the community, and yourselves, a favor and dry up and blow away. If you could really see the future with such unmitigated clarity I think you wouldn't be wasting time here, but instead would have used your abilities to win the lottery or the sweepstakes and would be too busy enjoying spending your millions of dollars.
I hate to be the rational one but... Why does everyone group each other into sides?
"You Fanbois are so..."
"You doomsayers..."
"You Haters..."
It seems silly to me, what if someone wanted to act as an individual, which I assure you most of us do. Personally I'm a little wary of how they worded going to "hot spots" and such, it DOES sound like they are talking about KOTOR space combat, which was fun but I don't think it would be fun for a very long period of time in an MMO. However, I'm awaiting more info before making a judgement call on the game myself, I'm glad to hear they are putting any form of space combat in.
Variety is the spice of life. Unfortunately, that means that not EVERYTHING can be WTFAWESOME!
This is just how I wanted BioWare to handle space combat. Have it as a (seemingly) secondary, backseat feature. Focus on the core: story, ground combat, ground PvE, ground PvP, and the scenery... on the ground. Space combat sounds like an arcade affair, flying into a zone, blasting some baddies, and flying out with a Cockiness Level of over 9,000 (Han Solo is not there, remember?). Sounds like something to do when you don't feel like PvP, don't have any raids, have completed your personal story, don't feel like crafting or socializing, etc. I'm glad they put it in, too.
I swear, though, we're going to see people begging for 5180241984 vs. 501928510294 space fights, JUST LIKE IN DA MOOOVIES! I'm sure we'll see some "large-scale" PvE engagements, maybe even grouping between players to take out waves of enemy ships, but not space combat PvP.
I'm rather convinced it's not a turret game like in Kotor, Sean clearly said "Flying your own ship.", as well as blasting through fighters, cruisers, destroyers etc.
PC gamer also most likely wouldn't put it on the cover of an issue and take screenshots of it, if it were just an insignificant minigame.
I think people are trying to read way too much into the 'alternative' and 'hot spots', alternative just means that you have a choice, hot spots means the combat will probably we centered around specific areas.
Ok this is probably the game breaker for me (in the good way) ...
Im more than happy to hear this news!!
But as Fdzzaigl said I hope its different than the KOTOR *space fights*
As long as the space wars will be done in *X-wing* style, I would probably spend my whole game time in space lol:D
While I'm really excited about the space combat, what I got from that reveal is that these "Hot Spots" will basically be instances set in space. In other words, it's not going to be a persistant thing like EVE Online. More than likely, it'll be some missions which you can fly repeatedly.
Hopefully they will have PvP.
Right...
...so don't get your hopes up and you won't be disappointed. Secondary feature, as it should be.
Are you guys forgetting this is Bioware? Closest thing to space combat they've done is turrets in kotor. Mass Effect had really poor vehicle combat. Mass Effect 2? Planet scanning! This is going to be something akin to those. A not-thought-out addon, a minigame which provides an alternative to the real game. I already expected this to be in the game in some form. Don't get your hopes up for something like Eve or battlegrounds in space
If it's more than a minigame I'll be very happy to eat crow, but history says no. Bioware can do core combat and story, whenever they veer from those it's not so great.
With all due respect etc, but are you purposely acting stupid or just not thinking straight?
How much experience do you think Blizzard had with MMO's before WoW? How much ArenaNet before GW, or Verant before EQ? I tell you, none.
History says yes, that companies that step into the MMO market can do surprisingly well with their 1st MMO, often even better than the ones that already had experience in the field.
You can't judge a companies ability to create content based entirely on what they did in the past. Blizzard had never done an MMO and the only RPG they ever created was a port in 1992. Yet they developed WoW to critical acclaim!
Plenty of companies get it right the first time. Companies with good reputations, much more so.
I've stopped getting my hopes up with this game a long time ago.
You have a point, not that Bioware couldn't do a decent space combat game, but because a LOT of people are having flashbacks to X-wing, rather then SWG: Space combat. X-Wing was from a different era, when complex was a selling point, not something to be avoided at all cost less a 10 year old would throw a temper tantrum at having to RTFM.
I think a lot of people will be disappointed with what it is going to be in the end because they want a full old school space game and will be getting a modern space-shooter light instead.
Maybe I am wrong, but people are getting their hopes up an awful lot about this game with some on this forum going in flights of fancy that could only occur after extensive drug use.
There is going to be space combat, don't get your hopes up to high, then at least you can be presently suprised by any depth it does have, rather then be completly disappointed because it is not what you imagined it to be.
I hope the combat isnt like EVE it was the worst space combat ever in my opinion (auto-circle-auto-attack), that would be terrible I would never partake in it if that were the case and im sure im not the only one.
Wow so you can see the future now? They have released no info other than space combat and you already know how its going to turn out? I am sure a week ago you were arguing that its not Star Wars since it had no space combat but now it has something new its cookie cutter?
You trolls are just sad. Pretty slow as well considering you obviously have no clue what "cookie cutter" means. Last time I checked the majority of cookie cutter games don't have interactive stories, interactive companions, an alignment system and space combat.
Well, it took them a while, but all the haters found a way to destroy this as well. LOL It took them a whole night, but they did it. Grats to you all, you've managed to make yourselves hate the game even more without knowing really anything about the game. One of the last comments I saw was just blatently saying the game is just going to be bad. I just don't get where these people get this, but whatever, to each their own.
To all haters: If you hate SWTOR so much, Stay away from it. Stop going to the forums, stop reading up on it, and just don't play it. We don't want you guys in the game. It's players like YOU that drag a community down, because you'll come in, if you end up liking it, it'll be YOU that turns it into what WoW has become... a heartless, ELITIST, asinine community.
I have PLENTY, as I'm sure everyone else does too, but my most recent example of this community to back up my generalization:
Was wonderin through Orgrimmar, in the chat, there were people asking for a tank for 10m VoA. A fully Geared Paladin was talking in regular talk (not in the channels) to someone else, and as I passed by I caught him saying "These noobs want me to tank 10m VoA" So I stopped and whispered to him: "Innocent question... why are they "noobs"?" after a minute, He responded with "I just like to talk alot of shit" as I replied "Ah, okay....." and left it at that. I'm sure he didn't get what I was implying, but in general, because they weren't as geared as him, they were not worthy of his tanking abilities apparently. So noobs translates to people who aren't up to par on the latest gear.... therefore they can't possibly be enjoying the game or are any "good" at playing it.
They had never done a fps before Mass Effect either so what is your point? Personally I am happy whenever a game company listens to their community enough that they add a much desired feature. Sure it might not be the next Freespace game but I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt until i know more.
More content the better in an mmo i always say. What is the purpose of doing the same old thing every day of every week for a monthly subscription if you can do more. Btw SWG did a pretty good job for space combat in an mmo and a good amount of people who played the game did it just for space combat.
i am amazed at the amount of knowledge there is in this thread about what space combat is going to be in SWTOR. there must be a crap load of programmers for the game posting on here to come up with some of the stuff people are coming up with on here on what space combat is or isnt going to be.
now back to reality. nobody on this website knows anything about this game but what bioware allows us to know. the only reason people try and come up with these half assed ideas on what they think and speculate on is so if they are even close to being right they can say "see i told you so."
First good news I've heard on this game in a long time.
ahh yee of little faith - lets take a look at one of the lead developers, and probably the one who will have the most influence in the space combat. Just because bioware doesnt have any experience as a company doing space combat, their developers have some good experience :)
Gordon Walton
Though his work had been exclusively in the single-player game industry up until that point, in 1995 he joined the growing online game industry, managing games such as Air Warrior and Multiplayer Battletech at Kesmai. After Kesmai, Walton moved on to managing Ultima Online at Origin Systems, and then at Sony Online Entertainment in Austin he worked on Star Wars Galaxies. At Maxis, he was executive producer on The Sims Online. He is currently working on the MMOG Star Wars: The Old Republic at Bioware's studio in Austin.
He brought us such games like
Only game I tried space combat was Earth and Beyond. Don't think that counts though so am looking forward to reading about the mechanics of this.
i am willing to give the devs the benefit of the doubt as far as the content of this game... they have spent a long time prepareing and working on this to just assume they are prepareing to throw 150million dollars down the toilet.. I am goint to scare some of u and make a sports referrence... when u add a new coach, or management team, you can no longer use past examples as a complete precursor as to what the future planning will be. The Miami dolphins were the same team for the most part that stunk up the nfl a couple seasons ago, but they add bill parcells and spagnollo to the mix, same guys, completely different game plan, completely different results. unless this is the exact same team that made a previous game, then u do not know what new ideas the new "component" well bring to the table. a gameing example is guild wars 2.... ncsoft put out aion, which is a source of heavy crying on these forums, yet GW2 is incredibly anticipated according to the hype meter. The fact that different people are working on each game means that allthough they may have a basic philosophy that they r all starting from, the new people will bring new ideas, new attitude, and new results, good or bad. Predictions that sare being made now as to what the content will be, are nothing more then blind folded shots at the dartboard on the wall. Most hands on reviews have been extremely favorable, and i am more inclined to take the opinion of someone who has played the actual game over someone who is trying to get people all fired up over baseless claims and factless boasts
I hope the space combat is innovative and awesome to play! What I really would like is if you can actually board the bigger ships and destroy them from the inside rather than just shooting at it. =p
That would be sexy. In the mood for loading up battlefront 2 now
I for one, and like many posters here, am already entirely dissapointed. For me, it is the fact I HAVE NOT seen any mention of the kitchen sink yet. A real let down:)
Ill i got to say is "Fuck Ya!". cant wait even more now.
When this game blows donkey balls like all the other flopped MMOs that have come out recently I will laugh at all you fanbois. Look at GAION, Warhammer, AOC, with all their hype and false promises; games that over hype things never deliver. Games like Guild Wars 2 that barely have any hype at all are the games that come out good and they release it with everything that is promised, not games where they mention "Our game/systems/combat/any other random thing about the game, will be the best thing since sliced bread". Guild Wars 2 I shall wait for you, SWTOR I shall laugh at you and the thousands of disappointed fanbois.
And AoC and Aion were both pretty good games. Just because you don't like it does not mean the rest of us wont. Tired of hearing all the cry babies talking about how this is fail and that is fail. Are people gonna play gw2? Yea , I'm gonna play gw2 , why? Because it will be free upon purchase. Also, I like what I have seen, but mark my words. NO NcSoft game is gonna hold the attention of that many people, when you play the game you will find out the hard way. There will be grind, grind, and more grind. There will be high costs that you cannot afford unless you are a credit farmer. You will be considered a scrub by most players because one guild will have control over everthing. Guild Wars 2 is an NcSoft game? Am I not right?
YOu can say what you want, but we really don't care. They said the same thing for wow when first came out too. Who is laughing now?
Oh yea, come on here and tell me about Lineage and all that. Yea it was a good game and had plenty of people. Grind is grind.
Most of NCsoft customers are over seas.
As always the haters are gonna hate. I don't go on the wow forums or the swg , aion, gw2, I don't go on none of these forums and talk about how their game is gonna fail. I guess they must be scared of something amirite? Why else would they be in OUR forums talking about OUR game, that we have so much PASSION for. GO play on the other forums. Star Wars fans are just that Star Wars fans, we take pride in our IP.
Its giong to be a mini-game.
A bad mini-game.
You are so correct. I really think the haters who become trolls on a certain game forum are nothing more than people who play a particular game that have somehow become scared are insanely jealous of any other game that has the potental of becoming a big success.
i guess they feel like whatever game they are playing must be the biggest or number one. they must feel threatend that maybe some real life friends or other's in their game community may be talking in general chat about leaving and trying out TOR, and their perfect little funhouse will come tumbling down.
Kinda sad really, that someone who has no interest in ever playing TOR will spend so much energy on a forum, instead of playing the game they are subcribed to.
Yes because you have played the game right?
You have no clue what is gonna be. The same dev that worked on JTL has been working on the TOR space. You think these people would be dumb enough to come up with a bad mini game and hype it up so much to put it in a magazine?
If you don't know what you are talking about, please sit down.
For someone that posts in these forums on this site, you really don't pay much attention or don't look at the homepage much. I think the most hyped game for some time has been GW2, not TOR. As well, this game even though hyped has had many detracters and naysayers since it was announced unlike GW2.
I agree with the two last posts. I just can't wait to find that MMO (I hope TOR will be) that will make me stop coming on those forums looking for my new game...
It's funny sometimes how many posters on this site talk out of their rear without a clue as to what they are saying just to hear themselves talk. Some us other posters that are being labeled as "haters" actually have a little bit of experience in development, beta testing, and mmo gaming in general.
It really becomes obvious how certain features will turn out when you know the engines and marketing strategies of developers in the industry.
Of course there is always the random surprise since nothing is written in stone, I will say that much. I like a good laugh though so thanks to those who ramble on to stroke their egos while trying to defend their fanboi status.
as one who has done everything above that you described, from beta to playing (i have pretty much beta'd everything, even the old eq when you had to have the disks shipped to you to now) and playing games forever...i am still excited :P so your logic is flawed.
I beta tested the game, have you? I have videos I fraps on my hardrive. Of course I am not gonna post them for the world to see. I am waiting for the release of the game when it is not a violation of the NDA
Have you played the game?
Nope, right back at you, Chief.
There's your chair, over there. Don't fall down and hurt yourself. I mean, what with all that medical marijuana you're taking.
(Oh, and by the way. Jump to Lightspeed sucked. It wasn't even a 10th of the greatness that was the X-Wing / TIE Fighter series. So, way to inspire.)
This is exactly the reason that SWTOR's weak NDA is useless. Posters like the last guy allowed to claim to be in the beta but not able to post proof. So basically, write your name in the snow all you want, I could care less. When I beta test, like most normal mmo NDA's, I don't reveal anything, period.
It's been shown (linked) that testers are alowed to disclose they are testing, they just can't say what they are testing/seeing at the time.
As for the rest of this discussion, hater, fanboi.. whatever.. give it a rest already. Seriously if you're older than 15 and having such a discusion as this, you seriously need to grow up. " It's gonna suck! No it won't... Yes it will.. Nu uh, Uh huh..... My god man WTF!
Yes, I actually have had the pleasure to be in the beta test.
Well, obviously I haven't revealed anything now have I?
I fixed your post (using only your own words) to both make more sense and align with reality. The grammar suffered slightly, but overall it's a vast improvement.
You're welcome.
I was in Santa's Workshop last to, also.
Well Star Trek online had ground and space combat too and we all know how that turned out i think i will just wait and see how the game really plays before i jump in with both feet .
Bioware have not announced any feature before they been sure it works as it should and is fun enough. That is actually good, I remember a few games that talked about features that never been implemented and might not work at all, like WAR.
I hope they nail this, Bioware are usually making fun games and it is a good feature to have in a game like this.
What's the worst thing that can happen? The game turning out bad?
Lighten up a bit fella's, it's a game afterall, it's entirely possible it could be bad, as is the chance any game can turn out bad. However bad is a subjective term that doesn't mean the same thing to every individual. Many people seem to like what JTL had to offer, others not so much. Just as for some X-wing is the definitive space faring experience, others not so much. It will be the same with TOR.
People are acting as though it's a crime to be excited for something.
I like pie so I get excited at the sight of a delicous looking pie, does every pie end up tasting terrific? Nope, that doesn't mean I should fear getting excited over a slice of delicous looking pie. In the end the worst thing that would happen is I don't like the taste of it, oh and I spent some coin on it. Money wasted? Oh noes, if I were that concerned about the money, I'd never buy anything.
Well, send my regards to mrs claus and I will watch my beta videos i made every day , and enjoy them. Knowing that they are for my eyes alone and you cannot see them.
"hot spots" yeah SWG did it better bummed which a game with such a large bugget you think they could expand the space combat beyond hot spots (or instances if you would rather) but hey who i am to say anything i will play the game and love it and at least this space combat will be better then the whole of STO...
It's funny how fans of other games will bash anything else, but if you say anything bad about their game they whine like puppies in a cage.
TOR looks like it's going to be a fun game. Do I know for sure? Nope. Will I buy it and play it? Yep. Will I buy and play other games too? Yep. Am I buying into the hype? Maybe a little, but if the hype wasn't there I probably wouldn't know about the game. I feel bad for those who feel they were burned by games like AoC and Warhammer. I bought both games and enjoyed them for a couple of months. I don't expect anything more. If you are looking for a game that's going to dominate your life and make you want to play it 24/7 you are going to be bound to run into disappointment, but it's no ones fault but your own.
Looks good to me, and makes more sense indeed.
wahoooo, now if I can only get a beta invte....
I don't think at this point Space Flight has gone beyond internal testing at this point. So even if your in the beta most people dont know much about it. Can't wait to get my hands on some of the mechanics they've been working on lately.
I'm glad to see this but I hope this doesn't take away from the rest of the games development. I would rather have a well polished game at the start and then see something like this added later. Hopefully that isn't the case here.
I don't even WANT to see them. The game is just World of Warcraft with horrible graphics and brainless gameplay.
What do I want to see? I want to see X-Wing the MMORPG. Is that what Bioware is bringing to the table? You tell me, Mr. All-Informed.
then go play xqing, problem solved, obviously this obviously non flight slim game doesnt appeal to you.
Why are you here? You barely realized this wasn't going to be Xwing the mmorpg? How could you make an Xwing rpg to begin with?
Only thing worse than a blind fan boy who thinks this game is going to be perfect is the trolls who think the game is going to fail. Game is not out yet so no one can safely judge yet. At least the fan boys aren't wasting their time trolling something they plan to blindly hate.
Any chance a moderator can interupt the 2 posters above me from turning yet another thread into a tit for tat argument?
Happy space combat is in.
Unhappy that it sounds like it's going to be a mini-game.
We'll see I guess.
I just have one question: Will it have real physics? I mean space combat in movies looked more air combat.
This http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt-Jk3TmodY is an early demo (early Alpha) presentation from an MMO called Universe Online made by a company named Colony Studios. They are using the HeroEngine like Bioware. This shows that this engine can produce a decent space combat experience. In my humble opinion ofc.
Well keeping fingers and toes crossed for the beta but here is something you might wanna checkout, in a perfect world this would be the moment where i would wet myself if this what if situation would happily occur in Cloud cuckoo land that is.
This is the best space engine i've had the pleasure to see sorry if some of u guys have seen this but imagine this procedural algorithmic engine married to SW TOR.
Infinity (Quest for Earth) mmorpg : release god knows !!
Link:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5toQqcxcNc
Simply jaw dropping
SWEET BOOTY. Despite some of my (justified) apprehensions about this game, the devs do continue to surprise me in good ways. And I believe this also to be a byproduct of listening to their fanbase on the forums (me since Oct 08). Lets hope this will be a deep enjoyable space game instead of just something shallow to appease people. And honestly, even if it is shallow at the beginning, I've always been happy with the idea of an expansion on space combat, so this is just added plus.
Wish I coulda been in this panel. My friend was, and said it was awesome.
I totally agree with every thing this man has just said.
I am so sick of hearing all the doomsday , naysayers when it comes to TOR or any new game for that matter. They always are on the forums crying about something, showing that they are truely bored with whatever game they are hailing as being any good or having a good system. Instead they choose to go flame newer games all day and wander how comes nobody wants to come out with anything good, or they all wind up failing.
Anyhow, That would depend on what you consider any good or failing. I like AION, AoC, and other games that people keep on calling failures, and i think they are fun. Stop crying all the time about a game, if you don't want to play it than don't , what is the point of posting on forum for a game you don't play, never have played, and never have any intention on playing. I only post on forums for games I have played, unless it is something that has caught my attention as being good or something I may like to play.
You guys are showing clips from another game. I know some games out there use the same engines (FPS for instance is very popular to do so). And so BioWare says it'll have space combat. Okay, that's cool, but AGAIN, they choose to provide no details that for quite a number of people, is a big deal.
For all I know their idea of space combat is a rail shooter.
They should provide some details, i'm not sure if it is a marketting strategy. Or they just don't know much themselves. I guess what they do is let people speculate all the want and then come out with bigger news that shocks people.
Hopefully they won't pull an STO. Boring space/land combat is something I don't wanna experience again. I will wait for a free trial. The days of buying MMOs at launch ain't working for me.
lol very funny GW2 will be the biggest hyped mmo watch. Swtor has released very little information, how is it hyped?
Maybe they will have buddy invites or something. The free trials usually don't seem to happen with MMO's at release. At least when the game comes out you will be able to hear what people are saying about it.
woah momma that's a lot of comments!
good or bad, we'll see...
Have they decided to make TOR an MMO yet? Or is it still a do what I say hand holder until you finish doing what they tell you to do at which time you can mill around in a mob with the other glowbats and cry about lack of content?
Gear based or Skill based?
I consider myself a casual gamer who finds it silly that players who spend countless hours playing these games are granted an advantage in PvP because the have raid/dungeon gear that does the work for them as far as PvP is concerned. Most MMO's seem to cater to the player who lives on the game the most opposed to the player who knows how to utilize the mouse and keyboard.
I also wanted to know if the plans were to make this game CC heavy? Will successful PvP be determined by the class with the most CC's or who can CC lock a player throughout the entire duration of the fight or will the factor be determined by skill?
I am interested in knowing where Bioware stands on this.
Some of you posting on here are beyond retarded and need to read up on what you're trying to argue about before posting. Guild Wars 2 is made and developed by a company called Arena Net which is made up of developers that made Star Craft/were in WOW's first stages of development when WOW was actually a good/not easy mode game. NCSOFT has no input on GW2's development, they are simply the publishers of the gamel; making a statement that says NCSOFT develops and runs GW2 is beyond retarded, it's like saying EA is developing your precious SWTOR when they are just publishing it.
You obviously don't know what hype is, you retard. Hype is developers hyping their game, not people from an MMO website. The hype level games get on this site is from player ratings, it's more like player ratings than anything else, meaning a lot more people on this site are looking forward to GW2 than SWTOR. Arena Net hasn't been hyping GW2 at all, Bioware has been hyping SWTOR.
I am gonna frikkin cry!!
this is some awesome news!!!!!!!
Nerdraging fanbois (GW2 in your case) with magic spheres looking into every MMO's future are always amusing to watch on this forum.
Sorry kid, not a GW2 fanboi by any means, I just trust Arena-Net and from what I have seen so far, GW2 looks to be pretty good and staying true to the most important aspects of the Guild Wars franchise. Fanbois are like religious zealots just like yourself and anyone else that defends a dying game or a game that looks to be like a complete failure (As if it was the second coming of Jesus Christ.) until the ends of time. If GW2 fails and I see it failing I will not defend it like a religious zealot, SWTOR fanbois will defend that game until it's on its death bed. In the past 12 years I have been burned by too many MMOs to get hyped about any future MMOs, the hype SWTOR devs/marketing are giving to the game is beyond disgusting, reminds me of AION/Warhammer hype. I got burned by AION horribly and now I have to play it until January 2011 because I payed for a full year's sub. I despise over-hyped games and that is why I hate on SWTOR.
You are as much a fanboi for GW2 as any of the TOR supporters you claimed were TOR fanbois. Arena-Net has no stronger a reputation than Bioware, it is merely your allegiance to them that determines your support. Since both games aren't released, your random support puts you in the same category of those you yourself mocked. Also, you shouldn't project your insecurities onto new games just because you yourself made terrible decisions in the past. You assume SW:TOR fans will defend it if it's failing, why? Because they defend it now? The games not out yet genius, there is no way of knowing what you are saying. Not to mention that considering you claim to hate overhyped games, you are in strong support of GW2 which is just as hyped as TOR. You're posts are riddled with inconsistencies and narrow-mindedness. You should probably try to avoid trolling the future, leave it to the trolls who are intelligent enough to formulate semi-decent aggressions.Lol. Bravo. It's certainly ironic how those who project themselves as being "enlightened" because they aren't fanbois, have more in common with those fanbois than they realise. Especially when it comes to labelling others as being the extreme opposite of their views.
Another irony point is how people claim that SWTOR is getting hyped far more than other games. And yet, SWTOR is getting about as much hype as GW2 is doing both on this and other sites.
Fine line between hyping and just being dense in the head. Then again all new mmo's these days are getting hyped by people. Why would GW2 or SWTOR be any different?
This.
Voices of reason like this one should be structurally encouraged.
Let's all be reasonable and take a step back, shall we?
Like KaoRyx says, both GW2 and SW:TOR haven't been released yet, so a bit premature to start foretelling any doom or guaranteed success of either MMO. Or of the other upcoming MMO's btw. Besides, both Bioware and ArenaNet are keeping a healthy lid on any extreme hyping from themselves, they only reveal features that are workable and made it into the game.
As a last note, I'd think that any true fan of MMO games in general would applaud it for many of the upcoming MMO's to be successful and great fun: the more great games to choose from and switch between, the better.