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  ignore_me

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2/28/13 5:41:47 PM#121
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by baphamet

 


Originally posted by ignore_me

Originally posted by baphamet  

Originally posted by ignore_me   SWTOR killed SWG and attempted to take its fans. If you can't understand how this would create hatred, I suggest you read Machiavelli.  
  uhh no it didn't, it was known far before release that this game would be nothing like SWG. i blame those SWG fans for getting their hopes up to begin with and not realizing this isnt SWG 2. seriously, am i supposed to take someone serious because they come here looking for things to bash on because they are still butt hurt over the fact that SWTOR is not a SWG style of game? are you kidding me? how childish is that?
You are incorrect. The licensing agreement killed SWG in favor of SWTOR. The Star Wars MMO players became instant refugees with only one possible port to sail toward. The other choice was to go to some other game and eat your love of Star Wars.

 

I imagine you will take it as seriously as I take you being butt hurt over someone not liking your game.


 

first of all, i don't currently play this game but i do play it off and on. i don't care if people like or dislike SWTOR, what annoys me is when people that have no intention of ever playing it, are here and have been here for years looking for new things to bash on because BW/EA didn't make the game they wanted, its just so childish and whinny to be perfectly blunt.

secondly, you are making an assumption that SWG lost their licence because SWTOR was trying to steal their players away.

if you are not making that assumption then i definitely am correct.

if i was wrong then they wouldn't have said for over a year before release that this game wouldn't be like SWG.

there were countless threads about it here and you SWG vets and your false sense of entitlement still complained about it as if they lied to you or something.

that is your problem that you are still upset you don't have a game like SWG and are taking it out on another completely different game because they didn't make the game you wanted them to make.

its annoying and childish to say the least.

don't get me wrong, i understand being upset that they went in a different direction and made a different style of MMO when it was announced.

but really, its been well over 2 years since we have known this, its time to move on kids.

 

I hope they never stop. It's amusing to see all this drama over a video game. 

I'll admit to a certain amount of schadenfreude, but I would suggest it goes both ways as others delight in my unhappiness over this game.

Survivor of the great MMORPG Famine of 2011

  superniceguy

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NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

2/28/13 5:44:19 PM#122
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by superniceguy
 

Nope I am not wrong. You did get podracers and paintings but only out of pot luck, and do not get it each and every time. I can open 15, 20 packs over 3 / 4 months and get nothing, then another time open 5 and get 2 things, but just doing that reminded me how much waste of money to actually buy those things. If I did not get the stuff in the free packs then did not bother. Do you get any ftee cartel packs with your monthly subscription to SWTOR?  I don't think so. In STO in the packs you get get a random item but if you are lucky you get a special item. In SWG the only thing you get are cards, so like I say if you are not lucky to get the specail SWG item then you get nothing unless you are into the TCG itself and after the cards.

All of which is irrelevant. As long as players were able to pay money for them that makes them microtransactions. 

Anyway, you know what I am getting at,

 Yes, you're trying to pee on my leg and claim that it is rain. 

 

 and SWG certainly did not have MicrotransactionS

Only in superniceguy world. In the real world, SWG offered virtual cardpacks for real life cash. That is fact.That makes them microtransactions. Period.You can have your own opinions but you can't have your own facts. Sorry. 

It was only one thing that gave a random item from the cards from the TCG, and for a FACT it was for the TCG, and not SWG. SWG never had a cash shop where you go to buy stuff. The transactions were done from the TCG or website, not SWG itself. The reason you think what you do is because you never touched it, and just assumed thats how it worked. If you ignored the TCG program, then you saw no signs of the stuff.

So now SWG and TCG were two completely different things that never crossed over? Funny, since WHEN I CHECKED IT OUT MYSELF the last time I played SWG it was staring me in the face the first time I popped in letting me know about my free cards. Funny too that I could play the card game from within SWG and could aquire items that were used in the SWG world. Just give it up. You're making yourself look silly 

 

 

 

 

You could launch the TCG from SWG it gave you the option, but was not wise as seriosuly bogged down the computer, it was was also a separate game that could launch from the Station Launcher without SWG, and did not slow down the computer. SWG never had a shop unless you launched the TCG. As I never bought anything from the TCG I never even saw a shop in the TCG, I checked it out on the website, but there was certainly not any glaringly obvious microtransactions from SWG itself, and I was only told about the free packs if I launched the TCG. Some of my accounts I never got any free packs as I never launched the TCG on those accounts, because it was not in your face and I forgot all about it. You can not miss it in SWTOR there is gold round button constantly on your screen, and CM icons splattered all over various UI elements and your inventory.

  ktanner3

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2/28/13 7:18:27 PM#123
Originally posted by ignore_me
Originally posted by ktanner3
 

I hope they never stop. It's amusing to see all this drama over a video game. 

I'll admit to a certain amount of schadenfreude, but I would suggest it goes both ways as others delight in my unhappiness over this game.

No different than what the SWG vets had to put up with from the NGE fans. They were constantly told to get over it and move on.  Some NGE fanboys even went out of their way to stalk the vet forum and constantly remind them that their game was over. One poster in particuliar even went out of his way to blame the NGE's low population on the bad word of mouth from the vets. Well, now the shoe is on the other foot. I personally don't care because all these games will shut down at some point but it is interesting to see some of the NGE fans not able to do what they had been telling the SWG Vets to do for years. And their numbers at shutdown were a heck of a lot smaller than the old game's was before it was changed.  Also it's interesting that the hate has now moved over to TOR, a game whose only similiarity with the previous one is the IP.  When TOR shuts down, will the hate end or will it carry over to the next STar Wars MMO if there even is one?

Currently Playing: Star Wars The Old Republic

  ignore_me

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2/28/13 9:09:16 PM#124
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by ignore_me
Originally posted by ktanner3
 

I hope they never stop. It's amusing to see all this drama over a video game. 

I'll admit to a certain amount of schadenfreude, but I would suggest it goes both ways as others delight in my unhappiness over this game.

No different than what the SWG vets had to put up with from the NGE fans. They were constantly told to get over it and move on.  Some NGE fanboys even went out of their way to stalk the vet forum and constantly remind them that their game was over. One poster in particuliar even went out of his way to blame the NGE's low population on the bad word of mouth from the vets. Well, now the shoe is on the other foot. I personally don't care because all these games will shut down at some point but it is interesting to see some of the NGE fans not able to do what they had been telling the SWG Vets to do for years. And their numbers at shutdown were a heck of a lot smaller than the old game's was before it was changed.  Also it's interesting that the hate has now moved over to TOR, a game whose only similiarity with the previous one is the IP.  When TOR shuts down, will the hate end or will it carry over to the next STar Wars MMO if there even is one?

This is absolutely true. I Remember the way that went, and I played all 3 iterations of SWG. I left each time and came back, adapting to the game. Sometimes I would miss the 10 identical power handlers thing, but overall it was enough of the original that I could still like it. The Move On crowd annoyed me then too, but I did play the game so it wasn't so poignant to me.

If there is another game, the hate will continue.

Survivor of the great MMORPG Famine of 2011

  User Deleted
3/01/13 3:12:59 AM#125
Originally posted by povilezaz
And again freedom of speech lost vc censorship         As allways .......

Especially if you know that only SUBSCRIBERS can post on their forums. So people that actually pay to play the game.

  superniceguy

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NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

3/01/13 5:44:28 AM#126
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by ignore_me
Originally posted by ktanner3
 

I hope they never stop. It's amusing to see all this drama over a video game. 

I'll admit to a certain amount of schadenfreude, but I would suggest it goes both ways as others delight in my unhappiness over this game.

No different than what the SWG vets had to put up with from the NGE fans. They were constantly told to get over it and move on.  Some NGE fanboys even went out of their way to stalk the vet forum and constantly remind them that their game was over. One poster in particuliar even went out of his way to blame the NGE's low population on the bad word of mouth from the vets. Well, now the shoe is on the other foot. I personally don't care because all these games will shut down at some point but it is interesting to see some of the NGE fans not able to do what they had been telling the SWG Vets to do for years. And their numbers at shutdown were a heck of a lot smaller than the old game's was before it was changed.  Also it's interesting that the hate has now moved over to TOR, a game whose only similiarity with the previous one is the IP.  When TOR shuts down, will the hate end or will it carry over to the next STar Wars MMO if there even is one?

I am a SWG vet and a NGE fan. I did not like the NGE one bit and played several MMOs to replace SWG pre-NGE, but also kept trying  SWG NGE and not liking it, but then then one day just realised that it would never come back, and looked at it as though the pre-NGE never happened, and it was still a game that had plenty of things for me to do in it. SWTOR is good for so long, but at max level there is nothing for me  to do in it (and quite a few others as that is why people left and it went F2P)

When SWTOR shuts down I will certainly not post negativly in these forums. If people want to reminise about the game, and say how wonderful it was, even though I think it was not, I will not bother.

If there is another SW MMO, as long as it is more of a MMO or B2P then I will stay play it and enjoy it.

  simplius

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3/01/13 11:53:08 AM#127
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by ignore_me
Originally posted by ktanner3
 

I hope they never stop. It's amusing to see all this drama over a video game. 

I'll admit to a certain amount of schadenfreude, but I would suggest it goes both ways as others delight in my unhappiness over this game.

No different than what the SWG vets had to put up with from the NGE fans. They were constantly told to get over it and move on.  Some NGE fanboys even went out of their way to stalk the vet forum and constantly remind them that their game was over. One poster in particuliar even went out of his way to blame the NGE's low population on the bad word of mouth from the vets. Well, now the shoe is on the other foot. I personally don't care because all these games will shut down at some point but it is interesting to see some of the NGE fans not able to do what they had been telling the SWG Vets to do for years. And their numbers at shutdown were a heck of a lot smaller than the old game's was before it was changed.  Also it's interesting that the hate has now moved over to TOR, a game whose only similiarity with the previous one is the IP.  When TOR shuts down, will the hate end or will it carry over to the next STar Wars MMO if there even is one?

most people dont hate the game, as such,,but swtor has polarized the playerbase more than any mmo

hardcores vs casuals

PVP vs PVE

subs vs F2P

and yes,,some of it will carry over, if they make another attempt

and if they do,,the next one will prolly be  real cheap,,i dont think shareholders will go full out on the third strike

  ktanner3

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3/01/13 12:50:09 PM#128
Originally posted by simplius
 

most people dont hate the game, as such,,but swtor has polarized the playerbase more than any mmo

hardcores vs casuals

PVP vs PVE

subs vs F2P

and yes,,some of it will carry over, if they make another attempt

and if they do,,the next one will prolly be  real cheap,,i dont think shareholders will go full out on the third strike

Hardcore vs. Casuals

Been around ever since WOW hit it big and brought the larger casual audience into MMOs. The hardcores get pissed every time a new thempark game gets released. Don't se how that can be contained. 

PVP vs. PVE

Happens in every game I've ever played that offered PVP.  The strict PVE folks think that they should never have to see PVP anywhere and also that every new update should be catered specifically to them. At least in TOR you don't have to hear jedi complaining about forced PVP just to roll the profession or bounty hunters complaining about god mode jedi. 

Subs vs. FTP

Haven't really noticed this one. I'v notived some folks on this site complaining that they can't play the entire game for free, but I don't notice these complaints in game. 

Currently Playing: Star Wars The Old Republic

  ignore_me

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3/01/13 11:11:25 PM#129
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by simplius
 

most people dont hate the game, as such,,but swtor has polarized the playerbase more than any mmo

hardcores vs casuals

PVP vs PVE

subs vs F2P

and yes,,some of it will carry over, if they make another attempt

and if they do,,the next one will prolly be  real cheap,,i dont think shareholders will go full out on the third strike

Hardcore vs. Casuals

Been around ever since WOW hit it big and brought the larger casual audience into MMOs. The hardcores get pissed every time a new thempark game gets released. Don't se how that can be contained. 

It's because it feels counterintuitive that new technology brings fewer choices. With each new game the nice stuff gets more and more scarce. I think the reaction makes sense, there is a perceived loss.

PVP vs. PVE

Happens in every game I've ever played that offered PVP.  The strict PVE folks think that they should never have to see PVP anywhere and also that every new update should be catered specifically to them. At least in TOR you don't have to hear jedi complaining about forced PVP just to roll the profession or bounty hunters complaining about god mode jedi. 

I once watched a jedi hold off more than 6 bounty hunters out in front of the coronet star port :) It may have been unbalanced, but it sure was entertaining.

Subs vs. FTP

Haven't really noticed this one. I'v notived some folks on this site complaining that they can't play the entire game for free, but I don't notice these complaints in game. 

Where this will show up is F2P being excluded fro things (guilds, raids, FPs). It won't be talked about, it will just happen (if it happens).

I borrowed your red text response style, in a complimentary manner of course.

Survivor of the great MMORPG Famine of 2011

  simplius

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3/02/13 3:36:41 AM#130

less entitlement is the answer

hardcores are a proportionally small segment,,it makes NO sense for them to expect any big games catering to theim

its like a champion runner signing up for a kindergarten race, and expecting them to adjust the rules

thats the price of success,you cant hide in the crowd anymore

the funny thing is,,according to several posts, there are already successful hardcore mmos on the market

but ofcourse , they will never have the big budgets of casual games,,again swtor is a shining example

they spent a big budget on a hardcore game,,we can see the results now

they simply cant keep it up,,theyve already skipped the class story lines,,one of their biggest pillars

the huge PVP battles from the videos,,those will never happen again

if that is success,,i wouldnt like to see, what a failure is

  ktanner3

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3/02/13 10:00:24 AM#131
Originally posted by ignore_me
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by simplius
 

most people dont hate the game, as such,,but swtor has polarized the playerbase more than any mmo

hardcores vs casuals

PVP vs PVE

subs vs F2P

and yes,,some of it will carry over, if they make another attempt

and if they do,,the next one will prolly be  real cheap,,i dont think shareholders will go full out on the third strike

Hardcore vs. Casuals

Been around ever since WOW hit it big and brought the larger casual audience into MMOs. The hardcores get pissed every time a new thempark game gets released. Don't se how that can be contained. 

It's because it feels counterintuitive that new technology brings fewer choices. With each new game the nice stuff gets more and more scarce. I think the reaction makes sense, there is a perceived loss.

PVP vs. PVE

Happens in every game I've ever played that offered PVP.  The strict PVE folks think that they should never have to see PVP anywhere and also that every new update should be catered specifically to them. At least in TOR you don't have to hear jedi complaining about forced PVP just to roll the profession or bounty hunters complaining about god mode jedi. 

I once watched a jedi hold off more than 6 bounty hunters out in front of the coronet star port :) It may have been unbalanced, but it sure was entertaining.

Subs vs. FTP

Haven't really noticed this one. I'v notived some folks on this site complaining that they can't play the entire game for free, but I don't notice these complaints in game. 

Where this will show up is F2P being excluded fro things (guilds, raids, FPs). It won't be talked about, it will just happen (if it happens).

I borrowed your red text response style, in a complimentary manner of course.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery ;)

I didn't mind the god mode jedi back when they had to face perma death. That was why they were given the extra character slot in the first place.Those restrictions were in place because jedi were supposed to be rare in the time period that the game was set in.  But once they removed perma death it completely unbalanced the game and destroyed PVP. Why go overt if you know that you're going to be destroyed in seconds by jedi gank squads? It was also an immersion killer when those guys would show up in Bestine while Vader was visiting and flash their sabers for all to see.

For all of TOR's faults with their PVP, at least when I show up to fight in a warzone I know that I won't have to deal with any "I WIn" classes. Some might be more strong than others, but there isn't one class in the game that can win a 1 vs 6 fight. 

Currently Playing: Star Wars The Old Republic

  simplius

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3/02/13 4:40:14 PM#132

interesting story,,but allowing all players to make a jedi didnt destroy PVP

it would actually make it fair for all, thereby removing your advantage

but im sure, when you were ganking other classes with your jedi, PVP was just fine , right?

as soon as the other guys got the same tools , as you,,that clearly broke the game

PVP logic at its finest

as long as they can farm easy medals,,PVP is great

fair fights= tons of whine posts, and wintrading

  simplius

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3/02/13 5:06:07 PM#133

yes , PVP was prolly better before , simply because there were so few jedis

too few , to make a big difference

and as soon as you give that power to all players,,things just go wrong

and that is the best argument against OPVP

imagine how that would go with todays playerbase

even worse in a BIG game,,yes the wow community decayed a lot in quality , with the rising numbers

back in the good old days, the guild leaders was much better at keeping order

 

  baphamet

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3/02/13 9:46:34 PM#134


Originally posted by ktanner3
I hope they never stop. It's amusing to see all this drama over a video game. 

as if this is the only game that you see this sort of behavior. people like you are the ones creating this so called "drama".

this is why the mmo forums here are a joke and opinions should never be taken serious.

not really trying to flame here so i will stop now before i get myself in trouble, so we will just lave it at that.

  simplius

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3/03/13 12:27:14 AM#135

a big drama, yes

HUGE IP, years of waiting, killing SWG to make room for this one

there are lots of reasons for the strong emotions, and we all know, what those do to your perception

any opinion should be counted as that,,as one amongst many

the biggest part of the playerbase never visit the forums,,the casuals

when they dont have fun in a game, they just unsub , and leave,,no farewell posts

and that was the first group, who dropped this game,,about a million in the first 3 months

reading forums would have given them a clue, but they ignored it

  Wickedjelly

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3/04/13 6:10:38 AM#136
Originally posted by baphamet

 


Originally posted by ktanner3
I hope they never stop. It's amusing to see all this drama over a video game. 

 

as if this is the only game that you see this sort of behavior. people like you are the ones creating this so called "drama".

this is why the mmo forums here are a joke and opinions should never be taken serious.

not really trying to flame here so i will stop now before i get myself in trouble, so we will just lave it at that.

 

That isn't really fair.

The level of bullshit the likes of him have had to put up with because they enjoy this game and don't have issues as some others do has been pretty extreme over the months.

Can't really blame him for having that take. Especially considering the topic at hand.

The dude is no more to blame than anyone else. If anything he tends to be one of the more reasonable posters around here.

Even if he is wrong a lot :P

1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  simplius

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3/05/13 12:01:15 AM#137

posting is a privilege, that our ancestors  have fought and died for

or do you think, that they have many threads like this in north korea?

yes people are free to post their opinions,,from both sides

because, that is the only way to resolve any social problems,,through dialogue

so i can freely log into the battlefield site, and demand sparkling ponies and

unicorn stickers EVERYWHERE

should i do that?,,or look for a game , that already have those

PS i really miss the muppets show,,,why dont they make an mmo ?

kermit vs miss piggy in PVP,,think of the possiblities

 

  Karteli

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OP  3/05/13 3:13:34 PM#138
Originally posted by baphamet

 


Originally posted by ktanner3
I hope they never stop. It's amusing to see all this drama over a video game. 

 

as if this is the only game that you see this sort of behavior. people like you are the ones creating this so called "drama".

this is why the mmo forums here are a joke and opinions should never be taken serious.

not really trying to flame here so i will stop now before i get myself in trouble, so we will just lave it at that.

 

All I read from this, is that "my game is being criticized!" !! "Therefore the whole forum is a joke."  "Because I don't like or want any criticism for my game!"

 

"My game is perfect in any and every way.  It can solve the energy crisis it's so good."

 

"Any forum that participates in dicussions of the negatives for my game is an immediate failure."

 

"I won't tolerate this, yet I keep coming back."

 

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  simplius

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3/05/13 10:36:42 PM#139

yup,,BW is learning the hard way, that they have to listen to PAYING CUSTOMERS

i think , their RPG success worked against them on this:

their normal games was more a la carte,,finish the product, and deliver it

mmos are more like a restaurant, you buy a place, hire staff, and when the first customers arrive, then the REAL work begins

with such a big budget, they should have spent some top $$ on a experienced leader from another big mmo

giving  a big(and expensive) ship to a noob captain was a bad idea

PS even the legendary SirCopperfield is slacking,,his latest post barely made my Troll-o-meter twitch

and the latest Rolls Royce is fugly as...cant they make a decent loking car anymore?

this is the end of civilazation, as we know it

  User Deleted
3/06/13 2:33:52 AM#140
Originally posted by simplius

yup,,BW is learning the hard way, that they have to listen to PAYING CUSTOMERS

i think , their RPG success worked against them on this:

their normal games was more a la carte,,finish the product, and deliver it

mmos are more like a restaurant, you buy a place, hire staff, and when the first customers arrive, then the REAL work begins

with such a big budget, they should have spent some top $$ on a experienced leader from another big mmo

giving  a big(and expensive) ship to a noob captain was a bad idea

PS even the legendary SirCopperfield is slacking,,his latest post barely made my Troll-o-meter twitch

and the latest Rolls Royce is fugly as...cant they make a decent loking car anymore?

this is the end of civilazation, as we know it

They had a ton of experienced people with years and years of working on MMOs working on SWTOR. They were all in high positions (Damion Schuber, Jeff Hickman, Dallas Dickinson (is he still around btw)) and they were all mostly fired.

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