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Star Wars: The Old Republic Forum » General Discussion » SWTOR adding Same-Gender-Romance to "some" NPC's (Gay, Lesbian romance)

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  MMOdad72

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Joined: 12/21/12
Posts: 94

1/06/13 7:27:21 PM#41

Honestly , since they've admitted it will be another year at least before any world PVP , Illum abandoned over a year already , etc , they might as well go this route.

SWTOR's already a joke , so why not put in sparklers , chapless stormtrooper armor , and sell rainbow fireworks in the Cartel shop.

Obviously they can't make an actual Star Wars style game , might as well make it as big of a joke as possible.

  Kaerigan

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Joined: 11/18/06
Posts: 713

1/06/13 7:28:52 PM#42

These threads are always so entertaining. And infuriating. At the same time.

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  NorseGod

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Joined: 2/28/12
Posts: 573

1/06/13 7:28:54 PM#43
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  Paradigm68

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Joined: 1/24/11
Posts: 878

1/06/13 7:29:13 PM#44
Originally posted by Traugar
Originally posted by Paradigm68
Originally posted by Traugar
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by Traugar
Originally posted by Slapshot1188
EA needs to stop wasting energy on stuff like this until they figure out how to actually fix their game.  Most people didn't leave the game because they couldn't "romance" some NPC pixel (of any gender or sexuality).

Actually this being added is what caused me to finally cancel my sub.  So much stuff that is important that needs to be worked on, and they spend time adding crap like this.  

Exactly. You are not alone.

I couldn't care less about someones sexual preference.  It is a non-issue, but some people insist on letting themselves be identified by their sexuality instead of simply letting their sexuality be part of who they are.  Take a note from Neil Patrick Harris people.  He's gay, but he doesn't dwell on it constantly.  It's simply part of who he is.  George Takei on the other hand can't hold a conversation without it centering on his sexuality.

Interesting point. Now explain why that is an issue for you? Also do you complain about hetero people who constantly go on about their relationships?

I don't know any that go on constantly about the fact that they are hetero.  Being open and talking about your relationships is not the same thing as going on about the type of relationship you have.  

You don't see it because it's the 'norm' but I assure you it's common. It's just not noticable because it doesn't stand out to you. Nonetheless, the ultimate point is, so what? Why does it bother you, and more importantly what does it have to do with npc relationships in an MMO?

  superniceguy

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Joined: 2/17/07
Posts: 2251

NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

1/06/13 7:29:36 PM#45
Originally posted by ObiClownobi
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Paradigm68
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Cecropia
Originally posted by superniceguy

I thought this idea was scrapped?

This is a very bad move, and the fact this topic leads to discussions going south, speaks volumes as to why this is bad.

Seriosuly I was thinking I may have bought the expansion, but not if this goes in. If this was in a GTA game, or some adult based game, then that is fine, but this is Star Wars / Disney (kids stuff)- not appropriate.

How is it not appropriate? Are we now shielding our children from the horrors of gays/lesbians? Save the children! Save the children! 

Or were people just all straight a long time ago in a galaxy far away?

Where in Star Wars did this happen?

I am sure some players got together in SWG, but SOE never made the game have it

Really? Are you saying that nothing can be in the games that didn't explicitly happen in the official lore? That is a silly reason to be against it.

Does any disney stuff have this in any of them? I don't think so, and there is a reason why not

Disney is throwing me off here, as I'm trying to follow the conversation.

 

What does Disney have to do with the (original) Star Wars?  [Zero?]

Disney now own Star Wars, and they are a family entertainment franchise, the same as what Star Wars is meant to be.

If Star Wars or Disney has ever had this in, then I'll take back what I said.

 

Star Wars has sexual relationships between humans and bothans, I presume that makes you happy.

Is that a deleted scene on the Blu Ray? I have not yet seen the blu ray version

Anyway SWTOR needs this like a hole in the head.

Why not they add content that everyone will like, instead of making it a 18, and controversial?

I have already seen posts from parents saying they will ban their kids from playing it when this goes through.

  Avarix

Advanced Member

Joined: 1/22/12
Posts: 265

1/06/13 7:30:11 PM#46
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by MMOdad72

I can definitely see how spending time and resources adding Same Sex Romances to a Star Wars mmorpg definitely makes more sense than having world pvp and a galactic war between the Empire and Republic.

I definitely think this is the best example of just exactly where EA/Bioware and the moron known as Hickman stand in cluelessness.

They were strongarmed again.

None of this makes sense. Which leads me to believe that the purpose is to establish a normalcy bias to push an agenda into every aspect of our lives.

Your rage and hate is the reason this is an issue, not because of some imagined hidden agenda out to get you. Grow up, it's not that serious.

To the topic, I agree, the resources could be better spent elsewhere. This game needs a lot of work and fluff like this can wait. At this point though I think it's simply a matter of "Any press is good press.". I remember reading about this when the game first launched and thought to myself  "It's sad that this is a headline". I think it's gross that the hate attached to this topic is being pimped out for press.

  Ginaz

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Joined: 4/01/07
Posts: 1678

1/06/13 7:31:04 PM#47

Finally, my lady Inquisitor can get her freak on! 

Seriously, theres no reason this shouldn't have been available before and I don't understand why people get so bent out of shape with this stuff.  Better late than never I guess.

Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?

Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.

  BeansnBread

Hard Core Member

Joined: 9/19/06
Posts: 5540

1/06/13 7:31:35 PM#48
Didn't Rift do same sex marriages as well? That seemed to have been received just fine.

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  Ginaz

Hard Core Member

Joined: 4/01/07
Posts: 1678

1/06/13 7:34:23 PM#49
Originally posted by superniceguy
 

Is that a deleted scene on the Blu Ray? I have not yet seen the blu ray version

Anyway SWTOR needs this like a hole in the head.

Why not they add content that everyone will like, instead of making it a 18, and controversial?

I have already seen posts from parents saying they will ban their kids from playing it when this goes through.

Why would it be anymore controversial than the sex and romance options already available?  My BH has gotten in on with a few lady NPCs already.

Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?

Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.

  strangiato2112

Spotlight Poster

Joined: 9/21/12
Posts: 1566

1/06/13 7:40:02 PM#50
Originally posted by superniceguy

I thought this idea was scrapped?

This is a very bad move, and the fact this topic leads to discussions going south, speaks volumes as to why this is bad.

Seriosuly I was thinking I may have bought the expansion, but not if this goes in. If this was in a GTA game, or some adult based game, then that is fine, but this is Star Wars / Disney (kids stuff)- not appropriate.

there isnt a single reasonable argument that you can make why what is in is already appropriate but same sex wouldnt be.  None.  You could say all relationships are bad, but you just can not say one is bad and the other is not, it just doesnt make any rational sense.

 

  User Deleted
1/06/13 7:41:37 PM#51
Originally posted by Traugar
Originally posted by Paradigm68
Originally posted by Traugar
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by Traugar
Originally posted by Slapshot1188
EA needs to stop wasting energy on stuff like this until they figure out how to actually fix their game.  Most people didn't leave the game because they couldn't "romance" some NPC pixel (of any gender or sexuality).

Actually this being added is what caused me to finally cancel my sub.  So much stuff that is important that needs to be worked on, and they spend time adding crap like this.  

Exactly. You are not alone.

I couldn't care less about someones sexual preference.  It is a non-issue, but some people insist on letting themselves be identified by their sexuality instead of simply letting their sexuality be part of who they are.  Take a note from Neil Patrick Harris people.  He's gay, but he doesn't dwell on it constantly.  It's simply part of who he is.  George Takei on the other hand can't hold a conversation without it centering on his sexuality.

Interesting point. Now explain why that is an issue for you? Also do you complain about hetero people who constantly go on about their relationships?

I don't know any that go on constantly about the fact that they are hetero.  Being open and talking about your relationships is not the same thing as going on about the type of relationship you have.  

 

I get a sinking feeling everytime something like this comes up. It's sad that it's an issue in the first place. Sometimes I really do hate humans.

I think it's great that famous, very public people come out and talk about their sexuality. It gives other, less fortunate members of the LGBT community pride and hope in being who they are. It's an important social issue and the more it gets talked about the better off we will be. 

 

Hetero people don't have to advocate for themsleves on the issues of sexuality. There's no social issues so long as you have a relationship with someone of the opposite sex, so naturally people aren't going to be so outspoken about it. 

  gaou

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Joined: 12/04/09
Posts: 1987

1/06/13 7:42:25 PM#52
Originally posted by Ginaz

Finally, my lady Inquisitor can get her freak on! 

Seriously, theres no reason this shouldn't have been available before and I don't understand why people get so bent out of shape with this stuff.  Better late than never I guess.

didnt you know? if the option is there, then they are forced to choose it. they cant help themselves and that scares them

  NorseGod

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Joined: 2/28/12
Posts: 573

1/06/13 7:43:50 PM#53
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  Krashner

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Joined: 6/20/09
Posts: 141

1/06/13 7:45:10 PM#54
Originally posted by ObiClownobi
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Paradigm68
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Cecropia
Originally posted by superniceguy

I thought this idea was scrapped?

This is a very bad move, and the fact this topic leads to discussions going south, speaks volumes as to why this is bad.

Seriosuly I was thinking I may have bought the expansion, but not if this goes in. If this was in a GTA game, or some adult based game, then that is fine, but this is Star Wars / Disney (kids stuff)- not appropriate.

How is it not appropriate? Are we now shielding our children from the horrors of gays/lesbians? Save the children! Save the children! 

Or were people just all straight a long time ago in a galaxy far away?

Where in Star Wars did this happen?

I am sure some players got together in SWG, but SOE never made the game have it

Really? Are you saying that nothing can be in the games that didn't explicitly happen in the official lore? That is a silly reason to be against it.

Does any disney stuff have this in any of them? I don't think so, and there is a reason why not

Disney is throwing me off here, as I'm trying to follow the conversation.

 

What does Disney have to do with the (original) Star Wars?  [Zero?]

Disney now own Star Wars, and they are a family entertainment franchise, the same as what Star Wars is meant to be.

If Star Wars or Disney has ever had this in, then I'll take back what I said.

 

Star Wars has sexual relationships between humans and bothans, I presume that makes you happy.

Humans and Bothans? That's sick, I can not accecpt that. I need to start a Bothan hate group now.

  Traugar

Advanced Member

Joined: 7/29/10
Posts: 167

1/06/13 7:45:45 PM#55
Originally posted by Paradigm68
Originally posted by Traugar
Originally posted by Paradigm68
Originally posted by Traugar
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by Traugar
Originally posted by Slapshot1188
EA needs to stop wasting energy on stuff like this until they figure out how to actually fix their game.  Most people didn't leave the game because they couldn't "romance" some NPC pixel (of any gender or sexuality).

Actually this being added is what caused me to finally cancel my sub.  So much stuff that is important that needs to be worked on, and they spend time adding crap like this.  

Exactly. You are not alone.

I couldn't care less about someones sexual preference.  It is a non-issue, but some people insist on letting themselves be identified by their sexuality instead of simply letting their sexuality be part of who they are.  Take a note from Neil Patrick Harris people.  He's gay, but he doesn't dwell on it constantly.  It's simply part of who he is.  George Takei on the other hand can't hold a conversation without it centering on his sexuality.

Interesting point. Now explain why that is an issue for you? Also do you complain about hetero people who constantly go on about their relationships?

I don't know any that go on constantly about the fact that they are hetero.  Being open and talking about your relationships is not the same thing as going on about the type of relationship you have.  

You don't see it because it's the 'norm' but I assure you it's common. It's just not noticable because it doesn't stand out to you. Nonetheless, the ultimate point is, so what? Why does it bother you, and more importantly what does it have to do with npc relationships in an MMO?

What I see has nothing to do with norms.  You can't say what is the norm, or what isn't the norm for someone you have never met.  I have just never cared about nosing into peoples personal lives.  I have more important things to do than wonder what people are doing in their bedrooms.  If I am not in that bedroom then it is none of my business.  I don't have time for anyone that is only one thing.  If your straight fine.  If your gay fine.  Neither one of those things determines the type of person you are.  If someone is so small of a person that they only have one thing to identify them as a person then I really have no use for that person.  I don't think romancable NPC relationships belong in games either.  MMO's are supposed to be about player interaction.  I do have friends who met their spouses in games so I have no issue with that.  I just don't understand why people want to spend time developing a one sided relationship with an NPC.  Especially an NPC that is going to create controversy.  No point to it.  Some parents aren't comfortable with their kids seeing this.  Real fixes where needed in this game, and this is just junk that causes more issues.  

  strangiato2112

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Joined: 9/21/12
Posts: 1566

1/06/13 7:49:56 PM#56
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by superniceguy

I thought this idea was scrapped?

This is a very bad move, and the fact this topic leads to discussions going south, speaks volumes as to why this is bad.

Seriosuly I was thinking I may have bought the expansion, but not if this goes in. If this was in a GTA game, or some adult based game, then that is fine, but this is Star Wars / Disney (kids stuff)- not appropriate.

there isnt a single reasonable argument that you can make why what is in is already appropriate but same sex wouldnt be.  None.  You could say all relationships are bad, but you just can not say one is bad and the other is not, it just doesnt make any rational sense.

 

Maybe he is limited by the RoC from expressing his ideas. You wouldn't be taking advantage of that would you?

As I said, there isnt a single rational reason to be against same sex relations in a game but not opposite sex relations.  Whatever his reason is, it can't possibly be rational because no such reason exists.

 

Again, if he is opposed to relationships in a 'kids game', I would disagree but I would understand why he could think this.  But he doesnt seem to have an issue with whats currently in the game.

  Paradigm68

Advanced Member

Joined: 1/24/11
Posts: 878

1/06/13 7:50:56 PM#57
Originally posted by Traugar
Originally posted by Paradigm68
Originally posted by Traugar
Originally posted by Paradigm68
Originally posted by Traugar
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by Traugar
Originally posted by Slapshot1188
EA needs to stop wasting energy on stuff like this until they figure out how to actually fix their game.  Most people didn't leave the game because they couldn't "romance" some NPC pixel (of any gender or sexuality).

Actually this being added is what caused me to finally cancel my sub.  So much stuff that is important that needs to be worked on, and they spend time adding crap like this.  

Exactly. You are not alone.

I couldn't care less about someones sexual preference.  It is a non-issue, but some people insist on letting themselves be identified by their sexuality instead of simply letting their sexuality be part of who they are.  Take a note from Neil Patrick Harris people.  He's gay, but he doesn't dwell on it constantly.  It's simply part of who he is.  George Takei on the other hand can't hold a conversation without it centering on his sexuality.

Interesting point. Now explain why that is an issue for you? Also do you complain about hetero people who constantly go on about their relationships?

I don't know any that go on constantly about the fact that they are hetero.  Being open and talking about your relationships is not the same thing as going on about the type of relationship you have.  

You don't see it because it's the 'norm' but I assure you it's common. It's just not noticable because it doesn't stand out to you. Nonetheless, the ultimate point is, so what? Why does it bother you, and more importantly what does it have to do with npc relationships in an MMO?

What I see has nothing to do with norms.  You can't say what is the norm, or what isn't the norm for someone you have never met.  I have just never cared about nosing into peoples personal lives.  I have more important things to do than wonder what people are doing in their bedrooms.  If I am not in that bedroom then it is none of my business.  I don't have time for anyone that is only one thing.  If your straight fine.  If your gay fine.  Neither one of those things determines the type of person you are.  If someone is so small of a person that they only have one thing to identify them as a person then I really have no use for that person.  I don't think romancable NPC relationships belong in games either.  MMO's are supposed to be about player interaction.  I do have friends who met their spouses in games so I have no issue with that.  I just don't understand why people want to spend time developing a one sided relationship with an NPC.  

I agree that npc romances in an MMORPG is stupid. To me its a perfect example of what has gone wrong with the genre. But there is a difference between people who complain only about one type of npc romance.

  Kaerigan

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Joined: 11/18/06
Posts: 713

1/06/13 7:52:48 PM#58
Originally posted by NorseGod
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by superniceguy

I thought this idea was scrapped?

This is a very bad move, and the fact this topic leads to discussions going south, speaks volumes as to why this is bad.

Seriosuly I was thinking I may have bought the expansion, but not if this goes in. If this was in a GTA game, or some adult based game, then that is fine, but this is Star Wars / Disney (kids stuff)- not appropriate.

there isnt a single reasonable argument that you can make why what is in is already appropriate but same sex wouldnt be.  None.  You could say all relationships are bad, but you just can not say one is bad and the other is not, it just doesnt make any rational sense.

 

Maybe he is limited by the RoC from expressing his ideas. You wouldn't be taking advantage of that would you?

If you need to break RoC to make your argument I'm not so sure you actually have a valid argument...

<childish, provocative and highly speculative banner about your favorite game goes here>

  clunning

Apprentice Member

Joined: 7/08/12
Posts: 25

1/06/13 8:01:17 PM#59
IMO it is a waste of time. They need more content, and I don't see how this adds more than a small amount if it. I'm not sure they have there priorities straight at all.
  NorseGod

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Joined: 2/28/12
Posts: 573

1/06/13 8:01:26 PM#60
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