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Star Wars: The Old Republic Forum » General Discussion » Why is Everyone who purchased the game, so upset with FTP?

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  kevjards

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11/17/12 10:23:28 AM#21

being a lotro lifer i would have thought like most who play lotro would be happy of the influx of players..they could end up subscribers.lotro has done pretty well out of f2p..but they have the best f2p game on the go imo.swtor could end up doing well given a chance,regardless of what certain peeps think about it.

it does'nt affect normals subscribers,quite different it gives them the benefit of shop services for nothing.500 points a month for subscribers is ok..its a bonus on top of the normal game.i certainly would'nt complain

  Astropuyo

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11/17/12 10:24:02 AM#22

So many don't care yet they post that they don't care.

 

Yes , yes you do care. Otherwise why waste your life on posting?

 

It's a fun enough game. Good story, fair combat, nice locations if theme parked, and mostly?

You don't have to buy the box and can enjoy the game for free and if you want the perks of a sub? Well?

Sub. It's a good enough game for me, though unlike some of the raving nutjobs (Not to be confused with Raving Nutters [me]) I have more than one mmo, and i juggle them.

 

I'd highly suggest subbing to TOR, it's worth the few months to try it out and the pvp is fairly fun.

 

Of course I'm sure a counter will be brought up giving you fifty reasons why poster A hates this game and doesn't care about it enough to post abou tit.

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  Sevenstar61

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11/17/12 10:27:19 AM#23
Originally posted by Astropuyo

So many don't care yet they post that they don't care.

 

Yes , yes you do care. Otherwise why waste your life on posting?

 

It's a fun enough game. Good story, fair combat, nice locations if theme parked, and mostly?

You don't have to buy the box and can enjoy the game for free and if you want the perks of a sub? Well?

Sub. It's a good enough game for me, though unlike some of the raving nutjobs (Not to be confused with Raving Nutters [me]) I have more than one mmo, and i juggle them.

 

I'd highly suggest subbing to TOR, it's worth the few months to try it out and the pvp is fairly fun.

 

Of course I'm sure a counter will be brought up giving you fifty reasons why poster A hates this game and doesn't care about it enough to post abou tit.

+10

It is amazing that people who trash this game and say every day that thay won't be playing it anyway, are complaining about F2P model. Indeed why do you care? Move on!!!!

 


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  kevjards

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11/17/12 10:27:22 AM#24
Originally posted by fenistil

I care very little about this game, actually I care only how it affect / might affect other titles in future. 

So I am not upset at all.   

Conditions for susbcibers have changed though.  Before sub was getting them everything and there was no microtransactions in game.     Now sub don't get them everything because some things are in store + game will be developed with microtransactions in mind and not only with subs in mind.   That's definition of 'conditions changed'.

 

Yes business model affect gameplay and whole game design.   One of things that affect it most actually.

yeah i understand this but if they are getting points each month they can save up for the content at no cost.well at least it worked for me that way in lotro,i bought rohan with points..cost nothing at all..if they put the content in the shop and peeps use the points to buy it still costs nothing.

  superniceguy

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11/17/12 10:34:12 AM#25
Originally posted by jimmydatwin

Originally posted by fenistil

I care very little about this game, actually I care only how it affect / might affect other titles in future. 

So I am not upset at all.   

Conditions for susbcibers have changed though.  Before sub was getting them everything and there was no microtransactions in game.     Now sub don't get them everything because some things are in store + game will be developed with microtransactions in mind and not only with subs in mind.   That's definition of 'conditions changed'.

 

Yes business model affect gameplay and whole game design.   One of things that affect it most actually.

I understand this point of view, but as long as they are only adding cosmetic/non gameplay affecting items then if I was subscribed it wouldn't bother me (many games I have played have introduced cash shops and as long as they arent selling top end gear or PvP boosts I am ok with it) I haven't looked at the cash shop myself so I don't know what is in there.  My attitude towards cash shops i that if they aren't selling in game steroids then let the company make some extra money.   As to Developer focus.....it doesn't take alot of focus to create a few new skins/mounts or w/e (game comes with thousands)

Originally posted by superniceguy

Other MMOs do F2P a lot better.

SWTORs version is pretty much so restrictive that you have to sub to make the game viable / playable, even if playing on a casual basis, which makes its F2P pointless

All F2P is doing in SWTOR is to get people to sub, instead of play the game and pay bit by bit, as SOE puts in "Free to play your way" whether that is really true or not, it certainly is not with SWTOR

Instead of EA coming up with more new content to pay for, they split the basics of the game down to pay for, like having to pay for more toolbars

SWTOR is more or less a single player game with multiplayer options, than a MMO. It is like paying a monthly free to games like Red Dead Redemption, Sleeping Dogs etc Both games have plenty of content worthy to buy.  SWTOR is not worthy, because they are lazy

 

I understand that this game may not be worth a sub to many and the FTP doesn't look very enticingtrial, but original players still have the option to subscribe if they want their original payment model back, so they aren't losing anything if they still want to play the game

The thing is though that EA have stated that people do not want to pay and that is about 40% of people who quit.

What makes them think that making F2P this way will do anything to get them to play and even pay a bit? It won't

Original players lose nothing, only EA. Those that quit will stay quit and play whatever MMO/games they have moved on to, and probably will not even give SWTOR another look again, even if they lift some of these restrictions.

It going F2P gives SWTOR another bit of attention, and I do not know what else they can do for it to get a 3rd chance. The only thing would be a proper decent expansion, adding in things like, but not exclusive to, player housing or multiplayer space, something other than voice over quests, operations, warzones, flashpoints etc that is just more of what is already in game = boring. If they could do that, then they should have done that before going F2P.

  Deewe

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11/17/12 10:37:13 AM#26
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Why would I be upset about F2P. I am getting my free CC every month, my sub value got lowered to below $8 if you add CC into equation.  I love the cartel packs LOL. And it is great to see lot of newbies in game. I am often just going to lower planets to help folks.

Now that they are done with F2P BioWare can focus on what they should - adding more content to game. That's what will make all SWTOR fans the happiest.

 

Edit. I know that folks who purchased a game and stopped to play are upset, they think they are entitled to play at subscriber level for free.  If we follow this line of thoughts - all subscribers would quit and play F2P - Am I wrong?

/disagree.

 

As a CE owner, subscriber since pre-launch I'm very sad with the F2P system because:

  • F2P < free trial, as people now have to pay to make the game viable at low level = will drive players away
  • No new content, mostly recycled assets
  • Cartel packs scam.
  • V.O. story lowest priority (check Jeff Hickman interview)
 
I don't see the F2P adding more paying players to the game so they won't have the cash flow needed to restart it.
 
 
At this point one thing you can hope for is Disney will take over the IP and have a better SW MMO being built to replace this failure.
  Vannor

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11/17/12 10:38:46 AM#27

OP, there is no doubt that there is some fun to be had with SWTOR. Especially if you havn't played it before. But what you need to be prepared for is that if you want to play the game seriously you will have to sub. You can not fully play the game without subbing. So, yeh, the ftp will give you a nice chance to see whether or not you want to and there's some fun to be had, you WILL have to sub eventually if you keep playing or you will quickly run out of things to do once the leveling is over.

Everything about the FTP is tempting and pushing you.. almost forcing you.. to sub if you want to experience the game the way it is intended. That is why people are unhappy. Many think SWTOR isn't worth a sub (you can make your own mind up about that) and were hoping the ftp would give the game more credibility and value for money.. it doesn't because all they are trying to do is get people to sub, not let people play and pay for what they think is worth it with a good ftp model.

  XeoMatrix00

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11/17/12 10:43:46 AM#28
Doesnt matter how pretty ppl put into words how this game is great. Just look at the numbers. The game is falling every day, the concept was good but the design was bad. They try F2P and that was bad design too.  If your still sub good for you but let me tell you that they are so many better games out there than this. This game doesnt deserve a sub, this game needs to be a real F2P. If this was a F2P i wouldnt mind buying the box before.  They shoudnt even call this a F2P they should just said this is an extended free trial. Good examples of F2P that I like is GW2 and LOTR.
  XeoMatrix00

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11/17/12 10:45:22 AM#29
Originally posted by Vannor

OP, there is no doubt that there is some fun to be had with SWTOR. Especially if you havn't played it before. But what you need to be prepared for is that if you want to play the game seriously you will have to sub. You can not fully play the game without subbing. So, yeh, the ftp will give you a nice chance to see whether or not you want to and there's some fun to be had, you WILL have to sub eventually if you keep playing or you will quickly run out of things to do once the leveling is over.

Everything about the FTP is tempting and pushing you.. almost forcing you.. to sub if you want to experience the game the way it is intended. That is why people are unhappy. Many think SWTOR isn't worth a sub (you can make your own mind up about that) and were hoping the ftp would give the game more credibility and value for money.. it doesn't because all they are trying to do is get people to sub, not let people play and pay for what they think is worth it with a good ftp model.

Cant say it better myself.

  superniceguy

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11/17/12 10:50:30 AM#30
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Why would I be upset about F2P. I am getting my free CC every month, my sub value got lowered to below $8 if you add CC into equation.  I love the cartel packs LOL. And it is great to see lot of newbies in game. I am often just going to lower planets to help folks.

Now that they are done with F2P BioWare can focus on what they should - adding more content to game. That's what will make all SWTOR fans the happiest.

 

Edit. I know that folks who purchased a game and stopped to play are upset, they think they are entitled to play at subscriber level for free.  If we follow this line of thoughts - all subscribers would quit and play F2P - Am I wrong?

Chances are those who like the game and sub will still sub to get the full experience, even if the restrictions are not much, because if you really like the game then the monthly fee is worth it, and do not want any restrictions. That is why you, and those who are subbed, are blinded by the fact as can not see how restrictive it all is, and do not care, as you are subbing

SWTOR is just way more restrictive than any other F2P MMO, and does nothing to encourage people to return or play in a restrictive F2P environemt.

SWTORs F2P system is really designed to make you sub, and not enjoy the restrictive cheaper F2P version, therefore not attracting many people to the game. That should be the reason why you should be upset about F2P - they just wasted time putting in a system to get people to sub, who do not want to sub, instead of adding in more content - if people do not come to the game, then its future is not bright.

There needs to be a decent balance where F2P is attractive enough to hook players but not so restrictive to put people off. SWTORs F2P is too heavy on the restrictive side, making it not attractive enough to bother.

  Whitebeards

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11/17/12 10:52:21 AM#31
Originally posted by lalartu

I'm not, I don't give a crap about the game anymore

 

This.

Getting upset over spilt milk is waste of my life. EA/BW don't owe me anything. I spent money with my own free will.

  meddyck

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11/17/12 10:54:37 AM#32

We're upset because the F2P implementation is so bad that isn't even really possible for former players to come back and enjoy class stories we haven't finished previously without paying for all sorts of basic things like a usable number of quickbars, the ability to hide head slots, the ability to customize companions, the ability to be revived where you died, the ability to play a reasonable number of warzones and space missions each week, and on and on. You only get the complementary cartel coins for having bought the game and subscribed a long time ago if you subscribe for another month first right now. You pretty much have to pay them more money if you want to experience anything resembling the game you quit a while back.

When I logged in to try F2P I also had to rename all but one of my characters due to server mergers. It wasn't clear how the game decides which 2 characters are the ones I can play. I did manage to login the character I cared most about. Losing all your preferred character names really drives home that you are just playing a piece of software not experiencing a virtual world. Severing that important connection to your old characters greatly diminishes the desire to play them and the 2 character limit prevents you from just creating new characters.

After having played GW 2 for the last 3 months, SWTOR's graphics just look surprisingly bad to me too. I'm not sure if they made changes to the engine to improve performance by lowering texture detail and model complexity or if it's just that I haven't played in a while, but it just looks bad and dated now.

For people who never played the game, F2P probably works tolerably because they don't know what it was like to play the game with all of its features unlocked. Many of the restrictions won't really start to hinder new players until they get their characters around level 20.

But for me and many other former subscribers, it is apparent that EA doesn't really want us to play the game again unless we pay the full sub price. Since we quit many months ago after deciding the game was no longer worth that price, the obvious solution is to forget about coming back to play the F2P version.

If they decide to remove their heads from their asses and not make F2P so crippled in the future, maybe I'd give it another look and even consider paying a small amount to unlock some more reasonable restrictions. But right now I'm not going to reward a company for creating a F2P version that's a blatant money grab.

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  RexNebular

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11/17/12 11:04:38 AM#33

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  Wizardry

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11/17/12 11:10:14 AM#34

The OP simplified an over complicated ordeal.

It is not as simple as saying what has changed from last week until now,it goes far beyond that.

The change was from the day they decided the game was not going to be a success.That means LESS investment,less staff,less content,many more things,NONE of which you expected when you bought the game.

That is why every game includes that BS TOS that says something to the effect.."your gaming experience may change".This is a lame way to get developers off the hook for delivering you less than what you expected,this can be less GM's,no botting control,nobody caring about cheats,poor server structure,poor conmtent updates,the list goes on and on.

There is also the fact that adding players to the bandwidth stream for free,is not a good thing.

The bottom line NEVER changes,the goal is to make money and in case of a giant,lots of it,small amounts will not do.

If a MMO goes stagnant after you purchase it,it really is no longer an MMO,it would be more like a single player game,you know content you buy that never changes.They wil lof course lay claim that the game is still being developed,well ya even 3 employees could still make a map or two and a few textures ect ect.

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  LhynnSaint

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11/17/12 11:14:17 AM#35
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
+10

It is amazing that people who trash this game and say every day that thay won't be playing it anyway, are complaining about F2P model. Indeed why do you care? Move on!!!!

 

Oh, dont get us wrong, we complain because if we dont some poor sobs are going to download the game, try it, feel cheated and leave dissapointed, like most of us did. you see, we are helping people out here, saving them time, broadband, etc. What i dont get, is Why do you care? is posting here more entertaining than playing the game for you? :3

Besides, i got time to kill while i download RaiderZ (a game that is better as F2P than swotor will ever be as a sub).

So there, fuck EA, fuck Bioware, fuck Zynga.

  Entropy14

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11/17/12 11:15:54 AM#36
Let this game burn
  Whitebeards

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11/17/12 11:17:44 AM#37
Originally posted by LhynnSaint
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
+10

It is amazing that people who trash this game and say every day that thay won't be playing it anyway, are complaining about F2P model. Indeed why do you care? Move on!!!!

 

Oh, dont get us wrong, we complain because if we dont some poor sods are going to download the game, try it, feel cheated and leave dissapointed, like most of us did. you see, we are helping people out here, saving them time, broadband, etc. What i dont get, is Why do you care? is posting here more entertaining than playing the game for you? :3

Besides, i got time to kill while i download RaiderZ (a game that is better as F2P than swotor will ever be as a sub).

So there, fuck EA, fuck Bioware, fuck Zynga.

Feel cheated of what? a game that is free to downnload and try? yes i say try because it is nothing more than a free trial. 

You are helping others, lol what BS!

Stop treating 'these' people like some idiots who can not even decide for themselves what they like or dislike. 

  Robokapp

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11/17/12 11:19:04 AM#38
Originally posted by Entropy14
Let this game burn

this.

 

when a themepark of this size dies, it will make a noise in the industry.

  Quicksand

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11/17/12 11:20:07 AM#39

The F2P option for players that were already subbed (like me) is a bonus to the game. The F2P option for players that had subbed and stopped and still don't want to sub are complaining because they want the same level of gameplay without having to sub (which they should NOT get)

 

The players that never subbed and complain simply want everything free.

 

The F2P option if a bonus, while I dont like some of the restrictions they have, nor do I think some of them make any sence (like UI options being locked) It does not change the fact that adding any type of free playing options in no way takes away from the game (it simply can't) They are not taking anything away from me, the subscribing player and are ADDING free options for other players while giving me new perks to purchase if I chose to.

 

All in all, the F2P option is not set up the way I would have guessed it was going to be, but as long as they dont lock anything that I had availible to me before as long as I sub, then I'm good.

 

And F2P option is not the same as the game becoming Free.

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  tawess

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11/17/12 11:25:23 AM#40

No it will not... Not really. It will be a whimper at best.

 

Now  i have had the same thought my self, i get a good number of people just wanted to play the game for free without any hassle (a fairly naive hope when it comes to F2P as it have been proven over and over again that people have no problem paying to remove some limits. and the more in the way they are the quicker people pay to get rid of them.) and i am pretty sure a few even belived that there woudl be hardly any restrictions to the "preferd" players.

 

Then you have i guess the group who feel the game will be deleted from existence when the current scheme does not pull in enough people... Trust me, if it is anything EA know it is micro transactions.

 

But still why are people so angry... Because it is the "in" thing and they just want to feel like belonging.

This have been a good conversation

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