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Star Wars: The Old Republic Forum » General Discussion » Corrupt panel of judges award SWTOR the overall winner of the Game Developers Choice Online Awards

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  smh_alot

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10/12/12 5:35:19 AM#21
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by smh_alot
Originally posted by DavisFlight

You should take your own Occam's Razor advice here bud. 

It was kind of big news and spread to several other sites. 

 

Occam's Razor would make me think that someone with such particular knowledge might have hung around on this site for far longer than a mere month, but maybe not under the same account. 

That's pretty much the opposite of what Occam's Razor means. 

 

Don't think so, but hey, if it makes you happy, feel free to believe whatever you like, I'll do the same.
  DavisFlight

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10/12/12 5:44:04 AM#22
Originally posted by smh_alot
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by smh_alot
Originally posted by DavisFlight

You should take your own Occam's Razor advice here bud. 

It was kind of big news and spread to several other sites. 

 

Occam's Razor would make me think that someone with such particular knowledge might have hung around on this site for far longer than a mere month, but maybe not under the same account. 

That's pretty much the opposite of what Occam's Razor means. 

 

Don't think so, but hey, if it makes you happy, feel free to believe whatever you like, I'll do the same.

Occam's Razor means the obvious straighforward answer. 

What you offer is paranoid conspiracy theory. 

Razor = simple. 

You = complicated.

  ippy

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10/12/12 9:00:42 AM#23

Occams razonr says don multiply causes indefinitely. If you want to talk about a pair of socks, you really dont need to trace it back to a necessary god to explain their existence. You can pretty much stop at the sweatshop that made them to tailor a demand driven by advertising sucking you in. More than enough causes already. No need to them say "oh, and god realised socks would be neat and allowed us to formulate the idea of socks, advertising fashion and sweatshops to help bring about his holy vision, praise be!"

 

As for SWTOR. 

 

Ill be honest, i loved bioware. But the arrogance they showed in the promotion and distribution of that game made me want it to fail. I dont mean i kinda hoped it would fail. I really wanted it to. And i enjoyed the game. 

 

Theres a littany of things in the game itself to moan about, but i wont get into them. Instead heres a few things i remember that really made me lose a lot of faith in them.

 

1. Red zoning. An utterly odious decision. The lord god knows why (occams razor - invoking god to explain it is unnecessary since theres some dude somewhere else that decided it without the compulsion of the lord), but this was a terrible... no, insulting decision on a vast swathe of their playerbase who had spent the previous two years following the game like mad. 

 

2. Twitter. Jesus wept. Community announcements posted to a twitter feed when you have your OWN FORUMS is just insane. 

 

3. Moderation. Community moderators whose only job seemed to be throwing out infractions and locking threads. From beta through live, the community managers were the worst kind of forun moderators. When they were there...

 

4. Communication. Horrific. From the refusal to offer a clear answer about credit cards for red zoners, to the self implosion of the forums around 1.3 where they simply vanished as the game was pretty much put to the sword by the community. Not forgetting the absolute refusal to respond to player feedback in betaforums, test forums or on general forums. No communication at all. Nothing. Absolutely dreadful.

They then had the cheek in their post 1.3 autopsy and FtP announcement to suggest they made the mistake of listening too much to the wishes of the community (please dont make wow in space) rather than sticking to their original design philosophy (lets make wow in space!) because somehwo they accidentally ended up with wow in space comtra to their original design philosophy. 

 

That game deserves to die. I dont say this often, in fact i think its the first time ive ever said it. Im pretty moderate generally. But the sheer arrogance of those people in the way they treat their customers.. it was baffling. I was a lifelong bioware fan. Infinity engine and all that. But they deserved to eat crap for the way they dealt with their community on it. It was very clear we were walking dollar signs and we take what bones they throw our way and stfu. 

  GamerUntouch

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10/12/12 9:07:15 AM#24
How the hell did SWTOR win best visual arts (besides the obvious, they bought the award), runescape ha better graphics.
  Nadia

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10/12/12 9:11:24 AM#25

http://www.gdconlineawards.com/rules/

eligible titles are persistent online video games which were initially released in Beta or full version June 1, 2011 – May 31, 2012 in North America

 

there wasnt much to pick from

what does timespan leave?   SWTOR and TERA ?

  halflife25

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10/12/12 9:12:43 AM#26
Originally posted by Nadia

http://www.gdconlineawards.com/rules/

eligible titles are persistent online video games which were initially released in Beta or full version June 1, 2011 – May 31, 2012 in North America

 

there wasnt much to pick from

what does timespan leave?   SWTOR and TERA ?

Yeah given the choices if i had to vote i woud too vote for SWTOR. There was not much to choose from.

  karmath

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10/12/12 9:13:22 AM#27

It's utter lies, deceit, shilling and crap like this will push that one forum troll over the edge one day and he's going to go on a spree murdering every single last one of these 'people'.

 

 

  Torvaldr

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10/12/12 9:16:34 AM#28
If the award meant anything I might care, but I couldn't really give two damns one way or the other.

Curse you AquaScum!

  dave6660

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10/12/12 10:01:35 AM#29

Who cares, it's a meaningless award.  Let Nero fiddle while Romes burns.

"Why so serious?"
-- The Joker

  Adamantine

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10/12/12 10:11:25 AM#30

Absurd.

 

Originally posted by Karteli

A significant number of people on the board are either affiliated with EA or once were. 

OMG really ? Who would have guessed !

 

Originally posted by DavisFlight

This very site fired one of their writers because he gave SWTOR a 6 and refused to change it. 

THIS site ? Uh-hu.

 

Originally posted by smh_alot
[...] The others that came out this year and made the list were even less impressive, so no wonder. [...]

Okay, that one might sadly be true. Its only best of the year. I hasnt to be good in absolute terms. Just better than everybody else.

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Originally posted by GamerUntouch
How the hell did SWTOR win best visual arts (besides the obvious, they bought the award), runescape ha better graphics.

Runescape is an old game.

 

  Arglebargle

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10/12/12 10:57:01 AM#31
Originally posted by Nadia

http://www.gdconlineawards.com/rules/

eligible titles are persistent online video games which were initially released in Beta or full version June 1, 2011 – May 31, 2012 in North America

 

there wasnt much to pick from

what does timespan leave?   SWTOR and TERA ?

You are paying too much attention to the facts of the matter!   What's wrong with you??   :)

If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.

  Tuchaka

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Posts: 467

10/12/12 10:59:33 AM#32
okay who 'dosed' the pannel someone here simply must know :)
  fiftyplusgeek

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10/12/12 11:02:35 AM#33
Originally posted by Banquetto
Did you look at the other nominations? They were even worse, believe it or not.

Reminds me of that one girl in high school -- you know the one -- insecure and makes sure all of her friends are less attractive so she has no competition. ;-)

I am no longer responsible for anything my phone decides is correct in the way of word choices and punctuation.

  Harttz

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Posts: 92

10/12/12 11:11:39 AM#34
Originally posted by Banquetto
Did you look at the other nominations? They were even worse, believe it or not.

That is what makes the game's failure even more unbelievable. They had no real competition! It is understandable to see TSW or even TERA struggle when there was GW2 on the horizon or a lot of people playing D3. But when SWTOR released there was nothing else to play other than some people dragging out Skyrim. It was like some sad 4 year old whiffing in T-ball. How on Earth did they miss?

  Brenelael

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10/12/12 11:14:16 AM#35
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by smh_alot
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by stayontarget
Well what did you expect,  Its not like these developers have a great track record on giving us what we want over the last few years.  The voting by these boobs don't surprise me one bit.

Stuff like this is very widespread. EA's pockets are deep and that money trickles to sites like this. "Want review copies or advertisements? Give us a good review." 

 

This very site fired one of their writers because he gave SWTOR a 6 and refused to change it. 

 

/facepalm. That is not why the writer was fired. You should get your facts straight before spewing nonsense. Back on topic, agreed the deck was stacked in the voting, but from my viewpoint the clear winner once again would be none of the above. Hasn't been a good MMORPG been made in years from what I am looking for i'm the genre.

That is the reason, actually. They tried to get him to not post his review and instead do a "pros and cons" debate article with another staff member. Except, all the questions and answers were more or less written so that the more common complaints could be stated by the writer, and then torn apart by the other writer. Instead, he just posted his review anyway. 

But the safe story that MMORPG.com went with is "We didn't like how he came into the game so predisposed to give it a bad score, and we didn't like that he bragged about giving it a bad score." 

 

? That was way, WAY before last month, the time that you created this account of yours, many months ago and iirc among a flood of posts and threads in that time. You're saying that you were keeping that close watch on all the forums of this site for that long and only recently decided to create an account and post this abundantly? Wow.

You should take your own Occam's Razor advice here bud. 

It was kind of big news and spread to several other sites. 

He was posting what he was going to post here over at the Darkfall Forums before it was published here. You obviously don't know much about jouralism if you think that is even remotely OK. This is why he was fired. When someone is paying you a staff writer's salary to write for them you don't pre-post what your going to write on another site. It had absolutely nothing to do with his score for SWTOR. I think you need to get your facts straight as it was abundently obvious why he was fired at the time. He very flagrantly breeched his Staff Writer's contract with MMORPG.com. Oh and I agreed with his review on SWTOR but I can still admit that he was fired for being incredibly stupid.

 

Bren

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  Draron

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10/12/12 11:20:34 AM#36
I wouldn't call it a corrupt panel as much as the other options just weren't that good.
  Whiskey_Sam

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10/12/12 11:33:17 AM#37
Originally posted by Brenelael
He was posting what he was going to post here over at the Darkfall Forums before it was published here. You obviously don't know much about jouralism if you think that is even remotely OK. This is why he was fired. When someone is paying you a staff writer's salary to write for them you don't pre-post what your going to write on another site. It had absolutely nothing to do with his score for SWTOR. I think you need to get your facts straight as it was abundently obvious why he was fired at the time. He very flagrantly breeched his Staff Writer's contract with MMORPG.com. Oh and I agreed with his review on SWTOR but I can still admit that he was fired for being incredibly stupid.

 

Bren

Is it breaching a contract if you post a piece that they refuse to publish?

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  User Deleted
10/12/12 11:35:08 AM#38

Shameful. Just shameful.

 

The ironic thing is that no game deserves the award, there hasnt been a good MMORPG in years. Shows what a sad state the MMO industry is in.

  bcbully

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10/12/12 11:42:34 AM#39
Investigative journalism at it's best.
  Brenelael

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10/12/12 11:47:00 AM#40
Originally posted by Whiskey_Sam
Originally posted by Brenelael
He was posting what he was going to post here over at the Darkfall Forums before it was published here. You obviously don't know much about jouralism if you think that is even remotely OK. This is why he was fired. When someone is paying you a staff writer's salary to write for them you don't pre-post what your going to write on another site. It had absolutely nothing to do with his score for SWTOR. I think you need to get your facts straight as it was abundently obvious why he was fired at the time. He very flagrantly breeched his Staff Writer's contract with MMORPG.com. Oh and I agreed with his review on SWTOR but I can still admit that he was fired for being incredibly stupid.

 

Bren

Is it breaching a contract if you post a piece that they refuse to publish?

Yes, but he also posted some things that were going to get published they just hadn't made it through the process yet. He seriously f**ked up.

 

Don't get me wrong... I personally liked his reviews and the articles he wrote while he was here but I don't kid myself over why he was let go. This was over much more than one score for a game.

 

Bren

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