This has got to be the biggest MMO failure to date. Big and I mean BIG budget studios (BioWare, and then all of Mythic), many millions of dollars, reknown voice actors and actors, world-famous interllectual property (Star Wars - who doesn't know it???), one of the titans of video games, EA and many years of anticipated development - all of this to crash and burn in less than a year? 

 

Sure you guys can argue that F2P is not a failure and that the game had "always been intended for F2P/Freemium" . Personally I think this view is bogus but whatever.

 

But the FACT remains that this game was THE WoW killer. Everyone from EA's CEO to BioWare's developers to SWTOR community managers said that this was the game that was going to face Blizzard's juggernaught, WoW. (You can look up articles posted during SWTOR's development that how this was the next big thing; I am not making this stuff up.) 

 

Well, one game still requires you to buy the latest expansion at FULL PRICE. One game still requires you to buy the game to level to levelcap. One game still has a major expansion coming up. One game still requires a subscription fee. That game isn't SWTOR. 

 

This has got to be the most monumental MMO failure - way beyond other "WoW killers" like AoC, War, etc. I mean, even WAR still has a subscription. How sad. 

I'd say Tabula Rasa over SWTOR [mod edit]

No one can deny the facts, after playing in a few SWTOR betas I knew this game would fail, graphics were ugly, combat was boring and the story got repetitive especially the jedi storyline that was a joke.

but then again I'm not a fan of Star Wars so doesn't affect me in the least.

Originally posted by eyelolled

I'd say Tabula Rasa over SWTOR [mod edit]

I don't play WoW. [mod edit]

They designed a game that would have been stale on the day they started working on it, let alone 4-5 years later. It might have done well five years ago, maybe with just a few tweaks. It's completely outdated game design today.

MMO developers need to anticipate innovations that will evolve the genre during the five years they will be spending developing the game and position the end result to compete with next generation games. TOR is maybe two generations behind and that's what killed them.

There were things I liked, a fair number of them, actually. However, i grew tired of the vast over-abundance of time sinks long before the point where I would have "run out of things to do" if the game had offered the same content, minus 80% of the time sinks.

The game engine was sub-par as well, which didn't help. Most of the game zones felt more like something I would find in a solo RPG, not an MMO and I think a lot of that was due to engine limitations effecting zone design.

It may not be the biggest failure ever in the MMO space, but it's definitely one of the biggest disappointments to date and the wasted potential of the setting and the i.p. just serves to shine an even brighter spotlight on the game's failures.

Originally posted by pharazonic

Sure you guys can argue that F2P is not a failure and that the game had "always been intended for F2P/Freemium" . Personally I think this view is bogus but whatever.

 

The idea of the game intending to be F2P from the start was shutdown by the article below, detailing the timeline of EA's stance on F2P over the years:

 

Star Wars: The Old Republic's Long Road to Free-to-Play

Aug 01, 2012

http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/bioware-mmo-project/1225612p1.html

 

custesey of Observer in this thread:

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/5174904#5174904

 

EA BioWare had no intention of making this game F2P.

 

Age of Conan, Vanguard and Star Trek Online

I'd say one of the MMOs you can't play at all anymore for lack of it's continued existence. Pick one.

Originally posted by pharazonic

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Well, one game still requires you to buy the latest expansion at FULL PRICE. One game still requires you to buy the game to level to levelcap. One game still has a major expansion coming up. One game still requires a subscription fee. That game isn't SWTOR. 

 

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Originally posted by pharazonic

Originally posted by eyelolled

I'd say Tabula Rasa over SWTOR [mod edit]

I don't play WoW. [mod edit]

Sounded like you were praising WoW.  Most people would think you were praising WoW,  It's of no moment, as I just think Tabula Rasa was a more epic failure as it completely shut down.  

 

 

 

 

Originally posted by eyelolled

Originally posted by pharazonic

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Well, one game still requires you to buy the latest expansion at FULL PRICE. One game still requires you to buy the game to level to levelcap. One game still has a major expansion coming up. One game still requires a subscription fee. That game isn't SWTOR. 

 

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Originally posted by pharazonic

Originally posted by eyelolled

I'd say Tabula Rasa over SWTOR [mod edit]

I don't play WoW. [mod edit]

Sounded like you were praising WoW.  Most people would think you were praising WoW,  It's of no moment, as I just think Tabula Rasa was a more epic failure as it completely shut down.  

 

 

 

 

Praising? 

Those are facts. Praise would be if I said "WoW rocks and is the best game ever".

Tabula Rasa never had as much as effort or ambition poured into it as SWTOR did. [mod edit]

Originally posted by pharazonic

This has got to be the most monumental MMO failure

 

Tabula Rasa never had as much as effort or ambition poured into it as SWTOR did.

Tabula Rasa... Way way bigger, and not the effort. For it's time it was the most over-hyped debacle made. Sure it did not have full VO but then agaoin not many other games have had that so far and this was a few years ago. And for it's time i think Motorcity Online was a pretty big fail to. Ultima Online 2 was also a pretty big fail.

 

And least but not last... SW:ToR did not fail... EA might be considerd a fail as they completley missjudge the market, they are now rectifying it and i think the game have a very good chance of making EA very big piles of money...

But as the second poster said, don't let me rain on your parade as nothing i say will change your mind.

Originally posted by pharazonic

Originally posted by keithian

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..because this topic has already been discussed so many times and its repeat threads like this which is why fans rarely visit these forums anymore. The thread itself is a necro of god knows how many threads, so its not contributing anything [mod edit]

At the end of the day SWTOR if done correctly would have been the "WOW Killer" but sadly instead of making an MMO for Star Wars fans they decided to make a Star Wars MMO for MMO fans and we all know how fickle your standard MMO fan is.

Well it sounds like the OP still has some of his old WoW buddies still playing SWTOR. I can admit I hoped TOR would be more I know longer play it. I think its amazing how some people can be so childish still crying about still talking about TOR. These people need to grow up and move on. Your friends who left you still enjoy it the people who play it still enjoy it. who are you to think your better? These are video games its amazing there are still postvlike this. I bought it i hoped it would be the next great game. Guess what I was wrong I stopped playing. Its amazing what mature adults can do. Move on already!

Originally posted by eyelolled

I'd say Tabula Rasa over SWTOR but if you just wanted to feel the glory on your sparkle pony, don't let me ruin your parade.

I agree after UO tabula was supposed to be the next big MMO for Richard but was a complete disaster. At least swtor is playable and has a decent story aspect.

Asheron's Call 2 is my personal favorite for biggest mmo failure to date.  Such a let down considering its predecessor.

So, the OP has never heard of Tabula Rasa, Everquest 2, City of Heroes, Darkfall, Mortal Online, Hellgate London, APB, or Tabula Rasa? interesting...

So explain it to me..."buddy"

 

Tabula Rasa had a ton of money.. some really big names and a marketing machine pretty much unseen at the time. Same as SW:ToR only it went belly up.

 

But that being said you are right, SW:ToR does deserv to be a F2P game because it offers content in a way that is hard to capitalise on with a sub-model. By going F2P it get the amount of players it deserv and and people can enjoy the content in what ever pace they like. It is a win/win situation so i am not sure what you are complaning about. It is not like they are closing it down.

 

If that happens you are free to mess me and gloat all you want.

I think its his WoW buddies didnt leave for those games, or at least they returned.

Originally posted by Souldrainer
So, the OP has never heard of Tabula Rasa, Everquest 2, City of Heroes, Darkfall, Mortal Online, Hellgate London, APB, or Tabula Rasa? interesting...

how was CoH a complete failure? it's done pretty well for itself so has EQ2