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TyvolusNext Novice Member Joined: 1/27/12 Posts: 201	OP 7/31/12 4:00:11 PM#1 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) good thing this game failed, I didnt want to see other single player RPGs start charging a $15 fee -- and I most certainly dont want to see anymore generic wow inspired "MMOs" come out. hopefully this is the end of the WoW clones.
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ignore_me Elite Member Joined: 7/04/11 Posts: 1535 "but these go to eleven."	7/31/12 4:01:52 PM#2 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Amen You want to throw away your money developing something stupid, go ahead.
The1ceQueen Elite Member Joined: 1/02/08 Posts: 1981 "Always borrow money from a pessimist. They won't expect it back."	7/31/12 4:03:18 PM#3 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Let's hope companies are taking notes on the failure of SWTOR and other terrible WoW clones. If people wanted to play WoW, they'd play WoW, not a crappy knockoff that doesn't even have full features. What happens when you log off your characters????..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFQhfhnjYMk Dark Age of Camelot
Fadedbomb Spotlight Poster Joined: 5/19/06 Posts: 2149	7/31/12 4:03:21 PM#4 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by TyvolusNext good thing this game failed, I didnt want to see other single player RPGs start charging a $15 fee -- and I most certainly dont want to see anymore generic wow inspired "MMOs" come out. hopefully this is the end of the WoW clones. Don't forget the "WoW Clones" that are currently in development chasing SWTOR's model. One of those is TESO, and it'll be just as bad unless they make some sweeping changes. You can tell a LOT by videos & press releases about a particular product before even touching it. I wasn't surprised by anything I saw with SWTOR once i got my hands on it pre-release, and the same goes for GW2 (yet GW2 is actually "playable", unlike SWTOR). So far TESO is looking like as much trash as SWTOR, but time will tell hmmm? The Theory of Conservative Conservation of Ignorant Stupidity: Having a different opinion must mean you're a troll.
Bardus Novice Member Joined: 2/13/12 Posts: 475	7/31/12 4:10:38 PM#5 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) As Yoda put it, "there is another". Still have TESO to release and it's going the clone rout. I don't know if any other games are in development that are clones but they better stop now. I believe TESO is already in panic mode and too far along to turn around. I do hope this is the last one to even consider the cloning routine. As much money and arrogance as was bestowed upon TOR and how fast and hard it fell, I so very much hope the WOW bubble has burst and we start seeing innovation. The problem is getting financed for more AAA budgets. Those investors only want sure things and they all thought WOW cloning is a sure thing so why will they invest on anything now when WOW just might finally be left with WOW?
Fadedbomb Spotlight Poster Joined: 5/19/06 Posts: 2149	7/31/12 4:16:41 PM#6 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Bardus As Yoda put it, "there is another". Still have TESO to release and it's going the clone rout. I don't know if any other games are in development that are clones but they better stop now. I believe TESO is already in panic mode and too far along to turn around. I do hope this is the last one to even consider the cloning routine. As much money and arrogance as was bestowed upon TOR and how fast and hard it fell, I so very much hope the WOW bubble has burst and we start seeing innovation. The problem is getting financed for more AAA budgets. Those investors only want sure things and they all thought WOW cloning is a sure thing so why will they invest on anything now when WOW just might finally be left with WOW? I think the largest issue right now is that players don't have their own voice loud enough to tell developers exactly what's wrong. It's all only analysts & "supposed industry leaders" showing off to each other of whom have not got a SINGLE blasted clue as to what's wrong. I've often thought about making a Blog, Twitter, or some other social outlet just to tell people like Smedly or the laughing-hats over at SWTOR just how the industry is hurting because of WoW-clones, and why they fail so hard like SWTOR. Hmmm The Theory of Conservative Conservation of Ignorant Stupidity: Having a different opinion must mean you're a troll.
GreenishBlue Novice Member Joined: 5/27/12 Posts: 266	7/31/12 4:21:23 PM#7 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) I wouldn't be surprised if Bethesda delays TESO. Just don't panic.
Tawn47 Advanced Member Joined: 7/27/07 Posts: 515	7/31/12 4:22:53 PM#8 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by TyvolusNext good thing this game failed, I didnt want to see other single player RPGs start charging a $15 fee -- and I most certainly dont want to see anymore generic wow inspired "MMOs" come out. hopefully this is the end of the WoW clones. Agreed. With such a huge title going F2P this has surely got to register with the mmo devs and investors who have been blindly following the WoW model for so many years.
Tierless Hard Core Member Joined: 7/01/08 Posts: 1619 Ignorance fears, Intelligence questions	7/31/12 4:34:25 PM#9 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) I fear it may be too late to save TES, but there is another... mmorpg.com/blogs/Xobdnas
MMOExposed Spotlight Poster Joined: 6/17/10 Posts: 5100	7/31/12 4:45:39 PM#10 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by TyvolusNext good thing this game failed, I didnt want to see other single player RPGs start charging a $15 fee -- and I most certainly dont want to see anymore generic wow inspired "MMOs" come out. hopefully this is the end of the WoW clones. take note... SWTOR failed but Rift Succeeded both were called WoW clone. Hey even LoTRO was called a WoW clone, and was very successful....despite going F2P
MMOExposed Spotlight Poster Joined: 6/17/10 Posts: 5100	7/31/12 4:46:39 PM#11 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Xobdnas I fear it may be too late to save TES, but there is another... you calling TESO a WoW clone? lol Prove it.... IN BEFORE I GET WARNING/BAN FOR FLAMING
TeknoBug Novice Member Joined: 10/13/07 Posts: 2113	7/31/12 4:47:26 PM#12 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) I HIGHLY doubt this will be the last WoW clone game to be made, what bugs me is that over the year before release, people bitched to the devs that they didn't want a WoW clone TOR game, and we got a WoW clone. I honestly think certain people involved with Bioware and EA wanted it to be a WoW clone, and those particular guys are no longer with BW/EA now.
AmbrosiaAmor Advanced Member Joined: 11/24/10 Posts: 457	7/31/12 4:47:44 PM#13 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) This will probably mark the end of P2P EQI/EQII/WOW clones for Western Developers. But I still see WOW clones happening for F2P models. For Eastern developers that clone Lineage/LineageII/Aion/WOW and use the P2P model... maybe. Blade & Soul: Will most likely go P2P in the NA/EU since it is P2P in South Korea, but chances are it can easily go F2P within a year or two tops over here if they follow that business model. Phantasy Star Online 2: Was initially going to be P2P but ended up going the F2P route. World of Darkness: Chances are CCP is going to use the P2P model. No idea how this game may pan out or the longevity of using that business model ArcheAge: Might go B2P or P2P. Since this game isn't coming out till early 2014 we really don't know. Guild Wars 2: Used the B2P business model. The Secret World: I can see them going F2P in a year's time. The Elder Scrolls Online: They said they were unapologetic about making this game. I don't know, you tell me what is going to happen if these morons release this game using the P2P model? Anyone? Bueller? FFXIV 2.0: Still open to the idea of a F2P model from an interview made this year with Yoshida. My guess it will be in place if Version 2.0 fails. The only game released from 2005 till now that may continue to use strictly the P2P model is RIFT. I don't think any other game can in the long run. For future games from now till the end of 2014... I can see ArcheAge and World of Darkness use the P2P model for the long run. Blade & Soul will use it but for the short run before converting.
Aethaeryn Advanced Member Joined: 2/14/10 Posts: 1757	7/31/12 4:48:36 PM#14 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Not the end of WoW clones. .the end of P2P maybe. You also call SWTOR a WoW clone. . then in the next breath call in a Single player RPG. Wa min God! Se æx on min heafod is!
Tierless Hard Core Member Joined: 7/01/08 Posts: 1619 Ignorance fears, Intelligence questions	7/31/12 4:48:56 PM#15 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) This situation is just bad. That doomed pos possibly changed our genre forever, frankly it wasn't good enough to deserve the right to have that kind of effect. mmorpg.com/blogs/Xobdnas
AmbrosiaAmor Advanced Member Joined: 11/24/10 Posts: 457	7/31/12 4:51:18 PM#16 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) I guess a short version of what I wrote above would be: This will probably mark the end of P2P EQI/EQII/WOW clones for Western Developers. But I still see WOW clones happening for F2P models.
User Deleted	7/31/12 4:51:37 PM#17 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by MMOExposed *Originally posted by TyvolusNext* good thing this game failed, I didnt want to see other single player RPGs start charging a $15 fee -- and I most certainly dont want to see anymore generic wow inspired "MMOs" come out. hopefully this is the end of the WoW clones. take note... SWTOR failed but Rift Succeeded both were called WoW clone. Hey even LoTRO was called a WoW clone, and was very successful....despite going F2P yes however there are elements in LOTRO and Rift that make them less of a wow clone more of a separate niche. Rift is doing good even tho they did lose some numbers there for a while. Also, Rift was out before SWTOR, SWTOR was the final nail in the coffin methinks and LOTRO is very very old, games as new as SWTOR should not have LOTRO style cash shop in them. It's just another way that EA/BW is proving that they are still behind the times even in the F2P market. Cutting off content is never a good idea.
MikeB MMORPG.com Community Manager Joined: 5/27/09 Posts: 4860	7/31/12 4:53:34 PM#18 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Aethaeryn Not the end of WoW clones. .the end of P2P maybe. You also call SWTOR a WoW clone. . then in the next breath call in a Single player RPG. It's like a Voltron of hyperbole! ;) Michael "MikeB" Bitton Community Manager Twitter: @eMikeB
User Deleted	7/31/12 4:53:38 PM#19 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Aethaeryn Not the end of WoW clones. .the end of P2P maybe. You also call SWTOR a WoW clone. . then in the next breath call in a Single player RPG. Definitely not the end of P2P there are pleanty of titles coming out this year alone that have P2Pcentric only billing. I think once the other titles that have broken the mold come out we'll see a shift in the mmo development any game dev that uses the WoW P2P model for gaming or the LOTRO F2P model for billing is doomed.
azmundai Hard Core Member Joined: 3/18/10 Posts: 1237	7/31/12 4:56:22 PM#20 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) bring on the VG clones!! imagine VG with dynamic events and more than 3-4 developers. LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity. I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already :)