Just for discussion, what  do you all think would happen to TOR's future if SOE bought the rights from EAware?   At the current status of the game, I couldnt see how it could be much worse.   Maybe they could even do a "Reverse NGE".  

Also, wasnt there a rumour that SWG might come back?

Lucas Arts has killed SWG and they aren't resurrecting it. If you've heard a rumor, that's all it is...a rumor.

I haven't seen SOE do anything related to MMORPG that would make me think they could do anything with SWToR that would benefit the game or the game's players.

If you're going to pick a company to run the game, pick Trion.

"In a parallel universe where SOE buys SWTOR, reverse NGEs it, and saves the girl..."

Originally posted by Paddyspub

Just for discussion, what  do you all think would happen to TOR's future if SOE bought the rights from EAware?   At the current status of the game, I couldnt see how it could be much worse.   Maybe they could even do a "Reverse NGE".  

 I know that in my future I would be hitting the cancel button. That company will never again see a dime of my money.  

Also, wasnt there a rumour that SWG might come back?

It was a rumour started by someone with no credibility. SWG is dead and isn't coming back.

Originally posted by Paddyspub

Just for discussion, what  do you all think would happen to TOR's future if SOE bought the rights from EAware?   At the current status of the game, I couldnt see how it could be much worse.   Maybe they could even do a "Reverse NGE".  

 SOE didnt do that well with Vangard after is bought it from Sigil. Besides, you will always have issues when you get in bed with Lucas Arts. I doubt they want to do it a second time

Also, wasnt there a rumour that SWG might come back?

[mod edit] Doubtful SOE will open their game up again

Worst hypothetical discussion evar! It's bad now and that would only make it worse...

Very bad. Every MMO SOE has been involved with has flopped because they either screw with it after launch, or launch it in a broken state and everyone quits over-night...

I'm hoping they learned something for Planetside 2 :/

As long as Lucas is involved, I wouldn't expect any miracles.

There isn't a singel thing that SOE would do better. Except turn it into a F2P title I suppose.

Hmm...

At least SOE would have the brains, ideally, to bring some kind of sandbox element to the "MMO". The arbitrary approch Bioware took brings their sanity into question. Especially now, considering TOR probably has about 300k-500k REAL subs, if they're lucky.

Good.  Good. Good.

Has Sony made it's share of mistakes?  yup

Has sony made it's share of good games? yup

Sony has the monetary backing, and the experience to fix ToR up.    While I'm not currently playing any Sony game (I'm not playing any mmo right now)  I was very pleasantly surprised with Everquest 2...that game does NOT get enough credit.  It has so much content it's unreal...Planetside 2 looks promising as well.

Look, Sony isn't perfect, but, it's hard to imagine any company being worse with ToR then Bioware has been.  Sony get's a ton of bad rap that I don't think it deserves.  Yes it fucked up SWG, but it has had its share of good games..Planetside 1, Everquest 1, Everquest 2...

Originally posted by Betaguy

Worst hypothetical discussion evar! It's bad now and that would only make it worse...

Agreed!

I like what SOE is doing w/ Planetside2 atm, but they can still ruin it w/ the cashshop. They definitely have a history of screwing up games, after their initial Everquest success.

Originally posted by Paddyspub

Just for discussion, what  do you all think would happen to TOR's future if SOE bought the rights from EAware?   At the current status of the game, I couldnt see how it could be much worse.   Maybe they could even do a "Reverse NGE".  

 

Also, wasnt there a rumour that SWG might come back?

Still looking at SWG through rose colored glasses I see.

SOE screwed up first with the ip and whether one likes it or hates it tor seems to be much more in line with the vision lucas has for a star wars mmmorpg than SWG ever was or ever became.  I mean the NGe has to be the single worse attempt at converting a game from one play style to another in the history of mmo's (ok i know they are the only ones foolish enough to have ever done it).

But honestly they could never get that game working correctly so for me I'm still more pleased with my experience in BW star wars mmo than with SWG.

Sure i had more community fun (how could you not if you didn't have an in game community there was no point in even playing that game) but TOR from launch has offered me much more varied gameplay than I got from SWG and SOE has never made a game that makes me think they would be a good choice to take over any game.

Originally posted by aesperus

 They definitely have a history of screwing up games, after their initial Everquest success.

One game is not a history, and that one game was not screwed up solely by SoE and it is highly possible, if not likely, that the order to screw it up came from outside of SoE.  

Originally posted by Paddyspub

Just for discussion, what  do you all think would happen to TOR's future if SOE bought the rights from EAware?   At the current status of the game, I couldnt see how it could be much worse.   Maybe they could even do a "Reverse NGE".  

 

Also, wasnt there a rumour that SWG might come back?

SWG is not returning.  Deal with it.

Originally posted by teakbois

Originally posted by aesperus

 They definitely have a history of screwing up games, after their initial Everquest success.

One game is not a history, and that one game was not screwed up solely by SoE and it is highly possible, if not likely, that the order to screw it up came from outside of SoE.  

Wasn't SOE a different company when they made EQ1 which was bought by Sony then turned to SOE?

They screwed up on SWG and sorry but the changes didn't screw the game up it was a low population game which was still losing subs when it was changed regardless of where the order came from.

Then we have games like freerealms,the clone wars,potbs,mxo, and vanguard.  A few of those games were funded/bought out by Sony but they did nothing with them to the point that most of the games associated with the name of this company are just trash.

I'm sure they may have one or two games that were good but so far EQ1 being a success as you say is not a history.

Originally posted by teakbois

Originally posted by aesperus

 They definitely have a history of screwing up games, after their initial Everquest success.

One game is not a history, and that one game was not screwed up solely by SoE and it is highly possible, if not likely, that the order to screw it up came from outside of SoE.  

Originally posted by raistlinm

Originally posted by teakbois

Originally posted by aesperus

 They definitely have a history of screwing up games, after their initial Everquest success.

One game is not a history, and that one game was not screwed up solely by SoE and it is highly possible, if not likely, that the order to screw it up came from outside of SoE.  

Wasn't SOE a different company when they made EQ1 which was bought by Sony then turned to SOE?

They screwed up on SWG and sorry but the changes didn't screw the game up it was a low population game which was still losing subs when it was changed regardless of where the order came from.

Then we have games like freerealms,the clone wars,potbs,mxo, and vanguard.  A few of those games were funded/bought out by Sony but they did nothing with them to the point that most of the games associated with the name of this company are just trash.

I'm sure they may have one or two games that were good but so far EQ1 being a success as you say is not a history.

False, SOE was not a different company it had a different name, it was ALWAYS Sony Owned, Verant was their name before SOE, and Redeye before that and they started as Sony 989 studios, always and forever have been a Sony company. Same one different name. Always Sony owned.

Originally posted by Latronus

Originally posted by teakbois

Originally posted by aesperus

 They definitely have a history of screwing up games, after their initial Everquest success.

One game is not a history, and that one game was not screwed up solely by SoE and it is highly possible, if not likely, that the order to screw it up came from outside of SoE.  

 

Here is a hint for ya... SWG isn't the only game many feel they screwed up.

First, name me a single game (besides possibly EvE) over 5 years old that a vocal portion of the player base doesn't claim a company screwed up.  Opinions of 'jaded vets' are irrelevant, they will always have a negative view of anything thats changed over time.  

EQ:  obviously not screwed up, continuous growth over a 6 year span until the release of its sequel and WoW, still active after 14 years

EQ2: poorly received launch, but one of the few games (possibly only) to recover from a first year sub decline to show growth over a couple years.  Vast majority consider EQ2 a better game now than at launch, still active after 7 years

Vanguard: An absolute DISASTER when they acquired it, they fixed it up but no one plays so they halted development.  It is *very* likely any other game company would have shut it down

Planetside:  to be fair I know nothing about the game except that there is a sequel people are excited for.  Maybe they screwed this one up, I can't comment on it

DCUO: Certainly much better regarded now than at launch

So yes, I understand some people have this ridiculous vew that SoE ruined their game, but we know what screwing up a game does to its playerbase.  EQ and EQ2 did not show any such patterns, Vanguard was ruined with less than 50k subs before SoE even got it.  DCUO was launched poorly, you can't ruin what was never good.  And all the other games are too insignificant to count.