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Star Wars: The Old Republic Forum » General Discussion raquo; Mass Effect versus The Old Republic
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2/13/12 4:45:36 PM#21
Originally posted by Kuinn Well...Warcraft 3 and WoW are both two completely different genres so I won't really go there ;). But anyway, I think that SWTOR would have been awesome if it were designed from the ground up as a CORPG. A game where you could play solo, or you could group up via the net with your friends. Kind of like Borderlands, Diablo2, or GW1. In CORPG format, it could have almost every single appealing feature it has now, but it wouldn't be shackled by all these annoying MMO conceits. Like the static world, and everyone in your world doing the same quests as you, etc. etc. I think the only real gripe people have is that there was really no purpose in making this game an MMORPG. Everything could have worked, and worked better as a CORPG. And when you honestly look at this game as an MMORPG and exclude all the solo stuff...it's pretty lacking. |
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2/13/12 5:01:10 PM#22
Originally posted by Creslin321
That's kind of what I mean "If you look at it as just a MMORPG" sure there's a lot to improve on, but I mostly waited with a bunch of people a KOTOR with multiple storylines, mmorpg features and multiplay. I think it's pretty good for that, I cant really comment on the full blown mmorpg perspective since I'm not even aiming on starting the gear/instance/raid/pvp threadmill. The flashpoints and pvp that I've done while leveling has been fun, nothing mindblowing but I've had fun with it.
"Well...Warcraft 3 and WoW are both two completely different genres so I won't really go there ;)." Yes they are different genres, singleplayer RTS-RPG vs. mmorpg RPG. Just like ME and TOR are both two completely different genres, singleplayer FPS-RPG vs. mmorpg RPG. |
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Yamota
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2/13/12 5:07:50 PM#23
Originally posted by fadis Skyrim. But regarding this thread, I said from the very beginning that SW:TOR is more a single player RPG than an MMORPG but as you accurately pointed out, it is inferior to other single player RPGs which in the end makes it what exactly? |
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2/13/12 5:29:57 PM#24
Originally posted by Distopia I also agree. Baldurs Gate games were brilliant RPG's.. but Neverwinter Nights was painfully linear and a massive backwards step. ME1 and especially ME2 are some of the greatest RPG's ever made. |
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2/13/12 5:49:51 PM#25
Originally posted by Tawn47 You're joking...right?
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2/13/12 6:03:55 PM#26
Originally posted by Vedra No. |
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2/13/12 6:17:10 PM#27
Originally posted by Tawn47
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2/13/12 7:16:56 PM#28
Originally posted by Tawn47 A mediocre 'shooter/rpg-lite' like Mass Effect 1/2 amongst the 'greatest RPG's ever made'... Do we laugh or cry?
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2/13/12 7:26:23 PM#29
story wise,ME 1&2 are awesome.Bioware created a very beautiful universe and the stories are marvelous. Indeed BG2 is the best game i have ever player(RPG that is)and i believe its better than ME BUT since ME and BG are diferent genre its ok.One is sci-fi and the other is fantasy,i have 2 diferent games for 2 diferent genres.Its "super awesome" :P As for NWN,i never really played that game,because it never drew me,i really dont know why.
And finally Skyrim.Skyrim is not a better RPG than ME,it is a better game BUT not because of the story...the only reason Skyrim is better in my opinion is because of its openess.The story part of Skyrim has quite a few holes and even the majority of players that love the game(me included)dont play the game for its story.
For me a good story goes way to far in a game.I dont care if the gameplay is good or bad,revolutionary or not.If the story is really good i will play it and love it.The only real way to make me not love it,is if the game punch you in the face with a god damn awfull gameplay and even then ill give it a try as long as the story worths it. |
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2/13/12 7:27:23 PM#30
Originally posted by Loke666 Yeah totally agree the story inBG was one of the most awesome I've ever played through enjoyed the mess out of NN as well I think the stories they told earlier on may have had a bit more impact to them but I still tend to enjoy the stories they come up with the only one they really lost me with was DA2. As far as TOR I'm enjoying most of the class stories only haven't played the imperial agent very far. Bh was fun for quite a while but right now is dragging a bit for meat around level 23 played the consular to about level 19 and am not really getting into that story at all but so far I've really enjoyed the Jedi Knight,Republic trooper, and smuggler. BW stories don't hold the same impact they did when I first encountered them as a company but i think that has more to do with us having been there and done that they are still among the top developers for delivering a story in a game. |
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2/13/12 7:31:58 PM#31
Originally posted by Yamota *Sighs* I wish people would stop even trying to compare ES stories to any from BW no one plays ES games for the stories they play it for the open ended nature of the gameplay. I wouldn't argue with a persons assessment that any ES game is better to them than any partiular Bw game but to try to compare the companies for the story they deliver is kind of lunacy most ES games you can finish the actual story in twenty hours or less and Bethesda often treats the story as a huge afterthought (for good reason).
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2/13/12 7:45:00 PM#32
Originally posted by BadSpock Yeah, that was certainly a great moment. The planet of Virmire all in itself was masterfully done in the first one. The dialogue with Wrex over the genophage was classic. You know he's 100% right in everything he is saying, but you have to convince him to betray his beliefs for the sake oft he mission, and that mission actually matters. Then there's "the choice." Very rarely in a game do you really reflect on a choice long after it has been made. But if you actually invested the time into ME, you can't look at your ship the same way again after it.
And yeah, KOTOR3 would've been a lot better. Revan was far too compelling a character to end his story the way they did. Especially after KOTOR2. I know, it was Obsidian, but for a game as buggy as it was, man was it compelling in the story! I know his story "continues" in a sense in TOR, but it really really really stretches things to the point when even in a fantasy game, I'm left going "WTF." The same with the whole "Sith Emperor" idea. From the start I was skeptical it could happen, but was willing to see it go through. The character simply isn't "believable" in the sense of the Star Wars world. |
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2/13/12 7:53:13 PM#33
Originally posted by Vedra I'd say out of PC RPG's, The original ME easily makes the top 10. I don't know what to call Mass Effect 2. It is a shooter with story elements. I don't know if I can classify it as an "RPG", but it is easily one of the best games made in quite awhile. I'm hoping ME3 brings back some of the RPG elements of the first, and keeps the exceptional polish of the second. based on what i've read, that is what the game does. |
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Yamota
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2/14/12 6:39:48 AM#34
Originally posted by raistlinm I was responding in regards to RPGs. Skyrim is a superior RPG to Mass Effect 2 because the premise behind RPGs is to allow you to play a role and I feel I can do that much better in the open ended Skyrim world than the one on-rails in ME 2. RPGs, imo, is about creating your own story, not finishing a dev. developed story. So yeah the story in ME 2 is great but in regards to being an RPG, Skyrim is simply superior. |
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2/14/12 6:59:23 AM#35
Mass Effect universe > Star Wars universe
imo, that is. I just found the ME universe and setting more appealing than the SW one. Regarding singleplayer games, yeah, obviously singleplayer thing better than MMORPG's, but TOR 'singleplayer'/questing experience > 'singleplayer'/questing experience of other MMO's Again, imo ofcourse. As for the combat mechanics, crafting and PvP of TOR, that's kinda subjective thing, personally I found the crafting mechanics more appealing than the regular MMO crafting, the combat more engaging than what I did in Aion, Rift and LotrO, - although AoC and TERA combat again surpasses all those others - but different strokes for different people. As for ME - Skyrim comparisons, Skyrim gameplay mechanics > ME gameplay mechanics, for the obvious reasons. However, ME universe & setting > Skyrim world & setting The ME story and setting in which it takes place is simply more epic than Skyrim's, and surpasses that of most other games. Personally I consider it on par with Halo and Half Life story wise, but the world of ME feels more fleshed out and with more depth and detail to it than that of Halo and Half Life. |
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2/14/12 7:47:47 AM#36
Originally posted by raistlinm
This, kind of. I love in Skyrim to run around aimlessly killing stuff and exploring, but all of a sudden when you get bored of it there's absolutely nothing to the game. First time when I heard that there's dragons involved in Skyrim long before the luanch, I had "played" half of the story content. Next time I hear a fantasy game is coming with dragons heavily involved in the story I'm going to cry.
In ME's I get really dragged into the story and I cant wait to see what happens next, I absolutely love the dialog and the story and in ME2 the combat was great too (even though there was no point in removing some features of the game) BUT when it comes to open exploring etc, there's really none.
I dont think either is better, both have their equally good positives in my books, only superior game would be the combination of both for me. If you love a good story ME wins, if you love open world, ES wins. |
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2/14/12 5:26:32 PM#37
Originally posted by Vedra Cry? Many people regard ME/ME2 very highly.. perhaps your opinions just.. differ. Seems no matter what movie / game / restaurant etc.. we talk about people will always like things to varying degrees. Get used to it. ;) Hell, somebody above rated Neverwinter Nights and Baldurs Gate better than ME... now the BG games.. I can see where theyre coming from.. but NWN? The game was so linear.. with basically 4 routes to do in whatever order.. I could never really lose myself in the story. Guess that other person saw it differently. Personally I think ME series has a great storyline. It isn't exactly sandbox or freeform, which some people have a preference for.. but as a single player game thats just fine for me. On the contrary, SWTOR is an MMO and therefore i'd prefer it to be more sandbox and less semi-linear story driven. I thought the whole point of MMO's was to engage with a community and I dont see how the ME style storytelling helps with this.
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2/15/12 7:34:06 PM#38
Still a decent rpg, i actually unsubed from CrapTOR and started ME 1 again, since clearly i have more fun in this game. And KOTOR 1 humilates both of these games. So i agree with the OP, even tho i think ME 2 sucked ass, because they dumbed it down, and ME 3 oh god, i dont want to know.
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2/15/12 7:35:47 PM#39
ME series >>>> ToR |
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2/15/12 9:21:52 PM#40
Today I finally played the demo of ME3... my review its awesome is superior to ME2 in every way and you know ME2 only got game of the year everywhere.
The 15 min intro is just the best intro I saw never. If you are in that things be ready for a huge drop in players in KOTOR after the 6. I for sure will be playing ME3 at least during all the month. |
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