So I played ME1+2 and DA1+2 years ago, completed etc. Great games.

Played TOR (haven't had the motivation to log in in a while) with 1 toon up to 50 and a couple in the 20's/teens.

Went back to play Mass Effect 2 this weekend, imported my awesome full completion ME1 character of course, so I can have a "fresh" and complete ME2 play-through before ME3 comes out in a month...

and oh my Lord is ME2 completely and totally amazing when compared to TOR.

The one thing TOR kind of has going for it, the story, is just.. nothing compared to the story and characters and settings in ME2. ME1 was even better in terms of story/characters, though the actual game play in 2 I think was improved over 1.

So if you've lost faith in Bioware because of TOR, go back and play ME1 and 2 and download the demo for ME3 tomorrow (hopefully will be even better than 1 and 2) and you'll be reminded of how good Bioware can be.

At least you can start to understand why they tried to do the same with story in TOR...

it just doesn't work for a MMO and doesn't work for TOR.

The best part of TOR, the story and characters, is so completely "safe" and watered down compared to the ME games and why?

Because TOR is a MMORPG and as such has different rules and restrictions that they didn't/don't have in a SPRPG.

I'm starting to feel like I'm joining the camp that wishes Bioware would have just made KOTOR 3-10 instead of TOR...

Mass Effect - Mediocre adventure game pretending to be an RPG

SWTOR - Brain dead linear RPG pretending to be a MMORPG

Originally posted by Vedra

Mass Effect - Mediocre adventure game pretending to be an RPG

SWTOR - Brain dead linear RPG pretending to be a MMORPG

 

If Mass Effect is mediocre... please enlighten us on what games are superior.

I agree with OP - the quality of story in ME 1, in particular, is far superior to TOR.

I liked the BH storyline in TOR.  IA was good up to 25th(have yet to go beyond that).

I mention that because it seems like whenever somebody says they aren't digging the class stories, they are playing Republic.

In my experience, the Smuggler seems to have the best Republic story, but Chapter 2 gets lame as it seems like you become a Republic lackey.  Hope Chapter 3 is better.

But yeah, no doubt... the SPG is gonna be better.  Thanks to save games, players can branch out, and therefore so can the dialogue and the story.

I do hope that ME3 goes the route of DA2 in how the you frame your dialogue.  It really seemed like the first RPG in which I was comfortable that my char acting a certain way wasn't going to lock me out of content.

Originally posted by fadis

Originally posted by Vedra

Mass Effect - Mediocre adventure game pretending to be an RPG

SWTOR - Brain dead linear RPG pretending to be a MMORPG

 

If Mass Effect is mediocre... please enlighten us on what games are superior.

 

I agree with OP - the quality of story in ME 1, in particular, is far superior to TOR.

Daikatana FTW!!! 

Originally posted by fadis

If Mass Effect is mediocre... please enlighten us on what games are superior.

I agree with OP - the quality of story in ME 1, in particular, is far superior to TOR.

Neverwinter nights and Baldurs gate 1 6 2. Sorry, but Bioware have lost a lot since 2001 and while ME1 isn´t a bad game it is nowhere near the old games that made BW huge in the first place. 

You might say something like - "hey, that's a good meal... considering he made it from a half-chewed piece of gum... a crusty piece of bread... and a glass of dirty water," - but that doesn't make it an actual "good" meal.

The story in TOR is good for an mmo... but I don't think that is the same as saying it has a good story/stories.

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by fadis

If Mass Effect is mediocre... please enlighten us on what games are superior.

I agree with OP - the quality of story in ME 1, in particular, is far superior to TOR.

Neverwinter nights and Baldurs gate 1 6 2. Sorry, but Bioware have lost a lot since 2001 and while ME1 isn´t a bad game it is nowhere near the old games that made BW huge in the first place. 

See, I played NWN start to finish + expansions and I still think ME1 and ME2 are leaps and bounds better in every way.

Never played Baldurs gate series...

I am looking foreward to ME3 myself. I thought ME was decent, Loved ME2 tho and thinking about giving it another play before I get ME3.

I am not a huge story RPG kinda guy, but I have enjoyed Bioware games for many years. I look for ME3 to be the last Bioware game I follow for awhile. The  ( IMO ) money grab from DA:2 and now TOR dont leave me with a much hope for the future, at least not games that I care about. I can appreciate some people thought DA2 was good.. but meh IMO terrible describes it .

I HOPE they can get back into the SPRPG mode, but I bet SWTOR is gonna be the main focus for the next few years.

Oh well, I will play ME3 and after that I am pretty much gonna write them off. Maybe they will prove me wrong but at this point I doubt it. They were much better before EA I think.

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by fadis

If Mass Effect is mediocre... please enlighten us on what games are superior.

I agree with OP - the quality of story in ME 1, in particular, is far superior to TOR.

Neverwinter nights and Baldurs gate 1 6 2. Sorry, but Bioware have lost a lot since 2001 and while ME1 isn´t a bad game it is nowhere near the old games that made BW huge in the first place. 

See, I played NWN start to finish + expansions and I still think ME1 and ME2 are leaps and bounds better in every way.

Never played Baldurs gate series...

I agree..

The very end of the story in ME1 as full Paragon.. the option you get when talking with Sarin you only get if full Paragon.... and what happens afterwards.

I have never been more "blown away" by a video game... and yes that is a pun if you know what I'm talking about, but seriously was one of the most amazing "omg I can't believe that just happened" moments i've ever had in 20+ years of gaming.

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by fadis

If Mass Effect is mediocre... please enlighten us on what games are superior.

I agree with OP - the quality of story in ME 1, in particular, is far superior to TOR.

Neverwinter nights and Baldurs gate 1 6 2. Sorry, but Bioware have lost a lot since 2001 and while ME1 isn´t a bad game it is nowhere near the old games that made BW huge in the first place. 

Neverwinter Nights had a crappy single player campaign. NWN was a great multiplayer game but what they offered us in the single player campaign was just a hack and slash RPG and especially the original campaign (not the xpacs) was painfully boring. It took real determination and stubborness to finish it!

Baldur's gate 1 & 2 (especially 2) were one of the best RPGs I've ever played but they are not really comparable to Mass Effect 2. I like both games for different things. ME 1 & 2 had good story but it was the presentation that was stunning.

On topic ME > TOR! Why? Because Shepard is badass and owns <3

Completely agree OP.

SPRPGs, in general, do the SPRPG "thing" waaaaay better than SWTOR does it.  In fact, I said this very same thing after I played SWTOR on one of the beta weekends.

I just think the concept behind SWTOR is flawed.  It's not that it's not implemented well, it's just that the concept pits two game elements against each other.  The MMORPG part is shackled by the linear nature of the SPRPG part.  And the SPRPG part is shackled by the static nature of the MMORPG part.

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by fadis

If Mass Effect is mediocre... please enlighten us on what games are superior.

I agree with OP - the quality of story in ME 1, in particular, is far superior to TOR.

Neverwinter nights and Baldurs gate 1 6 2. Sorry, but Bioware have lost a lot since 2001 and while ME1 isn´t a bad game it is nowhere near the old games that made BW huge in the first place. 

See, I played NWN start to finish + expansions and I still think ME1 and ME2 are leaps and bounds better in every way.

Never played Baldurs gate series...

I agree..

 I thought the stories in vanilla NWN1/2 were both..."meh."  I did love the story that Obsidian did in NWN:HotU and NWN2:MotB though...awesome stuff there.  But I agree that ME is superior story wise to vanilla NWN1/2 though.

But yeah...BG2 is better than all of them.  And I'm not saying this to be an "elitist" or anything...but there's a reason that Bioware is famous and that reason is BG1 and BG2...so even if you didn't play them...you have to admit that they must have been good.

Originally posted by Creslin321

Originally posted by Distopia

I agree..

 I thought the stories in vanilla NWN1/2 were both..."meh."  I did love the story that Obsidian did in NWN:HotU and NWN2:MotB though...awesome stuff there.  But I agree that ME is superior story wise to vanilla NWN1/2 though.

But yeah...BG2 is better than all of them.  And I'm not saying this to be an "elitist" or anything...but there's a reason that Bioware is famous and that reason is BG1 and BG2...so even if you didn't play them...you have to admit that they must have been good.

I've dabbled with Baldurs Gate for me it was a much better game than Diablo, which is one of the closer comparisons that I can think of to be made. Speaking from a purely game-play only perspective. I didn't play enough to really have an opinion beyond that though, I was always to wrapped up in other games back then. Didn't really enjoy RPG's until I got older hehe.

I did enjoy aspects of MWN2 for sure though especially online.

If Bioware worked on swtor from the beggining (they joined the developing latter right?), I think the game would have been better. I haven't lost faith in bioware just yet

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by Creslin321

Originally posted by Distopia

I agree..

 I thought the stories in vanilla NWN1/2 were both..."meh."  I did love the story that Obsidian did in NWN:HotU and NWN2:MotB though...awesome stuff there.  But I agree that ME is superior story wise to vanilla NWN1/2 though.

But yeah...BG2 is better than all of them.  And I'm not saying this to be an "elitist" or anything...but there's a reason that Bioware is famous and that reason is BG1 and BG2...so even if you didn't play them...you have to admit that they must have been good.

I've dabbled with Baldurs Gate for me it was a much better game than Diablo, which is one of the closer comparisons that I can think of to be made. Speaking from a purely game-play only perspective. I didn't play enough to really have an opinion beyond that though, I was always to wrapped up in other games back then. Didn't really enjoy RPG's until I got older hehe.

 Hehehe, it sounds like you got hung up on the isometric perspective if you are comparing it with Diablo...it's pretty different in reality :).  It's far more like NWN or DA than it is like Diablo.

But yeah, I can understand that, a lot of folks don't appreciate RPGs until they get older.

Originally posted by thedarkess

If Bioware worked on swtor from the beggining (they joined the developing latter right?), I think the game would have been better. I haven't lost faith in bioware just yet

 Nah, "Bioware" worked on SWTOR from the beginning, but it was developed by their satellite studio in Austin, Texas.  Not their main studio in Canada.  So essentially, it was developed by "Bioware," but not developed by the team that made all of the classic BW games.

Keeping in mind ofcourse that ME has only one storyline and only neccessary features for a SPRPG, meaning, ofcourse it's more quality as a singleplayer game, it doesnt have multiplayer, openworlds of any sort, crafting of any sort, flashpoints, PvP, warzones, factions, 8 storylines and so on. :)

I love ME's, and I'd propably be playing them right now if they didnt have an end and I could play them with my friends. That's why I dont want new KOTOR, I cant play it with my friends, I've had absolutely blast in TOR, not for mmorpg or singleplayer, but because I'm having so much fun doing decent or better storylines together with friends, something you very rarely if ever get to do usually.

I can understand the frustration of people who dives into TOR with full on HC mmorpg mode on or those who expect the game to be the best singleplayer game of all times, and then again I cant because obviously these people had their expectations and hype somewhere beyond stars.

Lets make a topic "Warcraft 3 vs. WoW" ? Yeah you can make that, but the relevance of it all is pretty much limited in the name "Warcraft" only when you start comparing features, or anything at all between them tbh.

Originally posted by Creslin321

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by Creslin321

Originally posted by Distopia

I agree..

 I thought the stories in vanilla NWN1/2 were both..."meh."  I did love the story that Obsidian did in NWN:HotU and NWN2:MotB though...awesome stuff there.  But I agree that ME is superior story wise to vanilla NWN1/2 though.

But yeah...BG2 is better than all of them.  And I'm not saying this to be an "elitist" or anything...but there's a reason that Bioware is famous and that reason is BG1 and BG2...so even if you didn't play them...you have to admit that they must have been good.

I've dabbled with Baldurs Gate for me it was a much better game than Diablo, which is one of the closer comparisons that I can think of to be made. Speaking from a purely game-play only perspective. I didn't play enough to really have an opinion beyond that though, I was always to wrapped up in other games back then. Didn't really enjoy RPG's until I got older hehe.

 Hehehe, it sounds like you got hung up on the isometric perspective if you are comparing it with Diablo...it's pretty different in reality :).  It's far more like NWN or DA than it is like Diablo.

But yeah, I can understand that, a lot of folks don't appreciate RPGs until they get older.

Yeah i figured it was (different), it was only a few months ago I was giving it a try haha, my PC didn't like it at all (kept crashng), so that's really all I took away from the few sessions I gave it.