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Star Wars: The Old Republic Forum » General Discussion » Respecting the players wallet - Damion Schubert insight into microtransactions

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  jmcdermottuk

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Joined: 6/10/06
Posts: 772

5/01/13 12:47:13 PM#21
Originally posted by BadOrb
Originally posted by jmcdermottuk

I bought SWTOR when it released so that makes me an instant preferred player and I tried the game out again a few weeks ago. Just after the new expansion came out, in fact.

I found the F2P model it's using to be very heavy handed, even as a "preferred player". The issue with the hotbars is one that I particularly dislike, while the inability to toggle off headgear is just pure insanity. I have never seen any game that requires a player to pay money for the ability to toggle their head slot item off/on, other than SWTOR. And you'd think that someone that actually bought the game for the full retail price would be able to access the fully functional UI.

Is it a game breaker? No, not at all. Does it indicate to me a level of contempt for the playerbase never seen before in an MMO? Yeah, big time.

This just comes across as the worst hypocrisy, coming from a company with no respect at all for the player's wallet, or the player.

But then, this is nothing I wouldn't expect from EA, a company I've fallen foul of several times before when it comes to MMO's and the companies they've bought out and ruined in the past.

So 4 free hotbars isn't enough for you ? Weird thought that would be plenty , the hood toggle thing is a bit odd on the flip side.

Cheers,

BadOrb.

It's not so much the 4 hotbars, but the inability to have them set up the way I want them. Even at release I found the 2 hotbars at the bottom of the screen distracting/intrusive so I only used 1 of them, plus the side bars.

My ability to configure them in that way as a preferred player is missing. It's all or nothing, 4 or 2. Hence my complaint about not having a fully functioning UI. I mean really, hotbars. It's a basic part of the UI and it isn't something I would associate with F2P. Again, I can't think of any other F2P game that has required hotbars to be unlocked with cash.

It's as if they all sat in a room trying to figure out what they could get a way with charging us for. The inventory stuff, the access to certain content are pretty standard fare for F2P, but the hotbars and the head slot toggle is just going too far. It makes the whole thing feel like a cash grab. Worse, it makes me feel like they have no respect for the players. I just think it's pretty contemptable that they would charge for such pissant little things.

But as I said, that's EA for you.

And before anyone says it, no I won't re-sub to the game to get all those features. I left because I didn't feel like the game was worth the sub. There are better games to play out there, in my opinion. As A F2P it may have been worth looking at just to finish the IA story but I hate what they've done.

It's not even like the game is unplayable but I just can't bring myself to play it, given the level of contempt and disrespect I feel is shown to the players. Those 2 inconsequential things is enough to put me off completely, purely as a matter of principle.

No offence to anyone that does sub is intended. If you like the game and you sub then I'm happy for you, it's just not for me.

  jmcdermottuk

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Joined: 6/10/06
Posts: 772

5/01/13 12:52:15 PM#22
Originally posted by Talonsin
My issue is not the F2P but the sub model.  As a subber, you still have to buy just about everything.  Sure you get a few points each month and 50% off some sales but as a subber, why the heck do I have to keep paying over and above my sub fee?  Playing as a subber feels exactly like playing as a F2P player, I would have to watch my points and spend very carefully or I would end up spending real money above my sub fee.  A subber should not have to pay for armor dye.

That's EA for you, cha ching!

  Jerek_

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Joined: 5/08/04
Posts: 398

5/01/13 12:58:10 PM#23

He only mentions 2 types of customers- people that want to pay $60 and never spend again, and people that want free to play with microtransactions.  So every sub based game never happened I guess?  WoW was a total fluke of a game, but it pretty well destroys the idea that people won't pay subs.  As does all the initial buyers of swtor, and all the people subbing to eve, etc etc.

I guess its just easier to blame failure on a business model than to admit you made some terrible design choices and didn't give your customers what they wanted. 

 

edit: when he talks about not hitting players up for money to soon he totally ignores that that's exactly what they did.  All the people that didn't like swtor enough to sub but came back for f2p got slapped in the face with it right away with the UI, credit limits, gear, and appearence options.  They changed some of it I know, but that was their chance to make a second first impression and they failed pretty hard.  He reminds me of the swg nge so much- clearly the only players he's thinking about are the ones he never had at all.

  jmcdermottuk

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Joined: 6/10/06
Posts: 772

5/01/13 12:59:50 PM#24
Originally posted by Jerek_

<snip>

I guess its just easier to blame failure on a business model than to admit you made some terrible design choices and didn't give your customers what they wanted. 

QFT

  WalterWhite

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Joined: 4/25/08
Posts: 402

It's time to cook.

5/01/13 1:41:42 PM#25

Within this thread you can spot the rabid fanboys of SWTOR who will not budge from the idea that their game is the best even when the general concensus is that SWTOR was shite when it was a subscription game and is still shite as a F2P game, hence why it is F2P after a year when they said it would be the WoW killer it failed to be.

Now the problem is that the greedy EA try and make out they are on the side of the players when it is obvious they are not therefore alienating even more possible cash cows ie players from playing their game when they nickel and dime you and their game to death.

EA need to get over their greed and give a little in order to gain, which has worked very well for other smaller games companies who run very successfull F2P MMO's without the need to scrape the last scent of a bank note from your wallet, then maybe SWTOR will become that little bit more successfull.

Maybe SWTOR is just a bad game that doesn't have enough to give a player the encouragement to invest some time and cash into the game, maybe it is but EA don't give the player that incentive to invest the time.

Who know's, but we all know this game will not last unless something changes, fast.

 

  udon

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Joined: 12/23/07
Posts: 1602

5/01/13 1:49:02 PM#26

I like SWTOR as a game to play though the story but hate the end game.  Having said that this game has probably one of the most annoying Free 2 Play cash shops I have ever seen.  It's not P2W but instead annoy at every turn which is probably 10 times worse in many ways.


  waynejr2

Hard Core Member

Joined: 4/12/11
Posts: 3712

RIP City of Heroes!

5/01/13 2:11:25 PM#27
Originally posted by jmcdermottuk
Originally posted by BadOrb
Originally posted by jmcdermottuk

I bought SWTOR when it released so that makes me an instant preferred player and I tried the game out again a few weeks ago. Just after the new expansion came out, in fact.

I found the F2P model it's using to be very heavy handed, even as a "preferred player". The issue with the hotbars is one that I particularly dislike, while the inability to toggle off headgear is just pure insanity. I have never seen any game that requires a player to pay money for the ability to toggle their head slot item off/on, other than SWTOR. And you'd think that someone that actually bought the game for the full retail price would be able to access the fully functional UI.

Is it a game breaker? No, not at all. Does it indicate to me a level of contempt for the playerbase never seen before in an MMO? Yeah, big time.

This just comes across as the worst hypocrisy, coming from a company with no respect at all for the player's wallet, or the player.

But then, this is nothing I wouldn't expect from EA, a company I've fallen foul of several times before when it comes to MMO's and the companies they've bought out and ruined in the past.

So 4 free hotbars isn't enough for you ? Weird thought that would be plenty , the hood toggle thing is a bit odd on the flip side.

Cheers,

BadOrb.

It's not so much the 4 hotbars, but the inability to have them set up the way I want them. Even at release I found the 2 hotbars at the bottom of the screen distracting/intrusive so I only used 1 of them, plus the side bars.

My ability to configure them in that way as a preferred player is missing. It's all or nothing, 4 or 2. Hence my complaint about not having a fully functioning UI. I mean really, hotbars. It's a basic part of the UI and it isn't something I would associate with F2P. Again, I can't think of any other F2P game that has required hotbars to be unlocked with cash.

It's as if they all sat in a room trying to figure out what they could get a way with charging us for. The inventory stuff, the access to certain content are pretty standard fare for F2P, but the hotbars and the head slot toggle is just going too far. It makes the whole thing feel like a cash grab. Worse, it makes me feel like they have no respect for the players. I just think it's pretty contemptable that they would charge for such pissant little things.

But as I said, that's EA for you.

And before anyone says it, no I won't re-sub to the game to get all those features. I left because I didn't feel like the game was worth the sub. There are better games to play out there, in my opinion. As A F2P it may have been worth looking at just to finish the IA story but I hate what they've done.

It's not even like the game is unplayable but I just can't bring myself to play it, given the level of contempt and disrespect I feel is shown to the players. Those 2 inconsequential things is enough to put me off completely, purely as a matter of principle.

No offence to anyone that does sub is intended. If you like the game and you sub then I'm happy for you, it's just not for me.

 Realy sounds like a personal problem to me.  OMG, Can't move the bars the game suxxors.  OMG, can't create macros to play the game for me. Boo Hoo.  Good gamers adapt.

  superniceguy

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Joined: 2/17/07
Posts: 2251

NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

5/01/13 10:34:39 PM#28
Originally posted by waynejr2
Originally posted by jmcdermottuk
Originally posted by BadOrb
Originally posted by jmcdermottuk

I bought SWTOR when it released so that makes me an instant preferred player and I tried the game out again a few weeks ago. Just after the new expansion came out, in fact.

I found the F2P model it's using to be very heavy handed, even as a "preferred player". The issue with the hotbars is one that I particularly dislike, while the inability to toggle off headgear is just pure insanity. I have never seen any game that requires a player to pay money for the ability to toggle their head slot item off/on, other than SWTOR. And you'd think that someone that actually bought the game for the full retail price would be able to access the fully functional UI.

Is it a game breaker? No, not at all. Does it indicate to me a level of contempt for the playerbase never seen before in an MMO? Yeah, big time.

This just comes across as the worst hypocrisy, coming from a company with no respect at all for the player's wallet, or the player.

But then, this is nothing I wouldn't expect from EA, a company I've fallen foul of several times before when it comes to MMO's and the companies they've bought out and ruined in the past.

So 4 free hotbars isn't enough for you ? Weird thought that would be plenty , the hood toggle thing is a bit odd on the flip side.

Cheers,

BadOrb.

It's not so much the 4 hotbars, but the inability to have them set up the way I want them. Even at release I found the 2 hotbars at the bottom of the screen distracting/intrusive so I only used 1 of them, plus the side bars.

My ability to configure them in that way as a preferred player is missing. It's all or nothing, 4 or 2. Hence my complaint about not having a fully functioning UI. I mean really, hotbars. It's a basic part of the UI and it isn't something I would associate with F2P. Again, I can't think of any other F2P game that has required hotbars to be unlocked with cash.

It's as if they all sat in a room trying to figure out what they could get a way with charging us for. The inventory stuff, the access to certain content are pretty standard fare for F2P, but the hotbars and the head slot toggle is just going too far. It makes the whole thing feel like a cash grab. Worse, it makes me feel like they have no respect for the players. I just think it's pretty contemptable that they would charge for such pissant little things.

But as I said, that's EA for you.

And before anyone says it, no I won't re-sub to the game to get all those features. I left because I didn't feel like the game was worth the sub. There are better games to play out there, in my opinion. As A F2P it may have been worth looking at just to finish the IA story but I hate what they've done.

It's not even like the game is unplayable but I just can't bring myself to play it, given the level of contempt and disrespect I feel is shown to the players. Those 2 inconsequential things is enough to put me off completely, purely as a matter of principle.

No offence to anyone that does sub is intended. If you like the game and you sub then I'm happy for you, it's just not for me.

 Realy sounds like a personal problem to me.  OMG, Can't move the bars the game suxxors.  OMG, can't create macros to play the game for me. Boo Hoo.  Good gamers adapt.

Yeah adapt by playing any other F2P game instead, that gives all the players the same gameplay features.

It is one thing a game has certain features and another game does not ie SWG had macros SWTOR does not - yeah you adapt, but it is something else when the same game has the features but not for everyone, making the players of the same game play unbalanced with each other.

  simplius

Novice Member

Joined: 12/12/12
Posts: 978

5/02/13 4:50:59 AM#29
Originally posted by waynejr2
Originally posted by jmcdermottuk
Originally posted by BadOrb
Originally posted by jmcdermottuk

I bought SWTOR when it released so that makes me an instant preferred player and I tried the game out again a few weeks ago. Just after the new expansion came out, in fact.

I found the F2P model it's using to be very heavy handed, even as a "preferred player". The issue with the hotbars is one that I particularly dislike, while the inability to toggle off headgear is just pure insanity. I have never seen any game that requires a player to pay money for the ability to toggle their head slot item off/on, other than SWTOR. And you'd think that someone that actually bought the game for the full retail price would be able to access the fully functional UI.

Is it a game breaker? No, not at all. Does it indicate to me a level of contempt for the playerbase never seen before in an MMO? Yeah, big time.

This just comes across as the worst hypocrisy, coming from a company with no respect at all for the player's wallet, or the player.

But then, this is nothing I wouldn't expect from EA, a company I've fallen foul of several times before when it comes to MMO's and the companies they've bought out and ruined in the past.

So 4 free hotbars isn't enough for you ? Weird thought that would be plenty , the hood toggle thing is a bit odd on the flip side.

Cheers,

BadOrb.

It's not so much the 4 hotbars, but the inability to have them set up the way I want them. Even at release I found the 2 hotbars at the bottom of the screen distracting/intrusive so I only used 1 of them, plus the side bars.

My ability to configure them in that way as a preferred player is missing. It's all or nothing, 4 or 2. Hence my complaint about not having a fully functioning UI. I mean really, hotbars. It's a basic part of the UI and it isn't something I would associate with F2P. Again, I can't think of any other F2P game that has required hotbars to be unlocked with cash.

It's as if they all sat in a room trying to figure out what they could get a way with charging us for. The inventory stuff, the access to certain content are pretty standard fare for F2P, but the hotbars and the head slot toggle is just going too far. It makes the whole thing feel like a cash grab. Worse, it makes me feel like they have no respect for the players. I just think it's pretty contemptable that they would charge for such pissant little things.

But as I said, that's EA for you.

And before anyone says it, no I won't re-sub to the game to get all those features. I left because I didn't feel like the game was worth the sub. There are better games to play out there, in my opinion. As A F2P it may have been worth looking at just to finish the IA story but I hate what they've done.

It's not even like the game is unplayable but I just can't bring myself to play it, given the level of contempt and disrespect I feel is shown to the players. Those 2 inconsequential things is enough to put me off completely, purely as a matter of principle.

No offence to anyone that does sub is intended. If you like the game and you sub then I'm happy for you, it's just not for me.

 Realy sounds like a personal problem to me.  OMG, Can't move the bars the game suxxors.  OMG, can't create macros to play the game for me. Boo Hoo.  Good gamers adapt.

so , you want to spend money and game time on a sub standard product?  your choice

but dont expect many others to do the same

mmos are made for fun, the moment they dont deliver that fun, theyre in trouble

even blizzard had to learn that lesson, during the weather patch

  jmcdermottuk

Hard Core Member

Joined: 6/10/06
Posts: 772

5/02/13 8:23:32 AM#30
Originally posted by waynejr2
Originally posted by jmcdermottuk
Originally posted by BadOrb
Originally posted by jmcdermottuk
 Realy sounds like a personal problem to me.  OMG, Can't move the bars the game suxxors.  OMG, can't create macros to play the game for me. Boo Hoo.  Good gamers adapt.

Did I mention macros? No. I'm not a fan of macros or addons that play the game for me, I'm a good enough gamer not to need them. Nor am I a fan of buying a game for £40 then having the UI functionality removed from it and having to pay to access it again. And the head slot toggle is just a blatant cash grab.

As I clearly said it's a matter of principle, not one of being unable to play the game. Of course it's personal.

I could adapt to the game and play it as it is but I choose not to because, in my opinion, EA are being unreasonable in what they think they can charge for. So I choose not to play.

There's no boo hooing going on because of being unable to play the game for any reason.

The boo hoo you hear from me is for EA being a bunch of money grabbing, contemptable, greedy, disrespectfull <censored>.

Good gamers adapt, dumb ones pay for shit they should be getting as standard.

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