Originally posted by FromHell

All these videos only prove one thing, Bioware´s cutscene director can´t even move a camera.

By the way the editing and cutting from one shot to the next is crazy, often misleading and breaks basic rules of how to work with camera angles quite too often. And yes I know what I´m talking about, I´m working with TV- and music video material, eight hours every day. 

SWTOR:

Every. Freakin. Shot. Is. STATIC. NO. CAMERA. MOVEMENT.

Funny how they brag about the whole "fourth pillar storytelling" and think they could get away with these lame static cutscenes.

There is only ONE way to do it worse, and that is the GW2 way.

 

Anyway, "static" is the one word which best describes SWTOR. Static questing, static cutscenes, static planets, static loading screens, static environmental lighting. I didn´t find anything "dynamic" about this game, sadly.

And i am Steven Spielberg. Best part of internet is we can claim whatever we like. So when your made up 99% statistics didn't pan out you come back with this BS.

I think you are getting a tad desperate here. I doubt you even know what static means. WHati find most ironic is that you love pointing fingers at GW2 fans because they are over zealous. Have you ever seen your posts?

Originally posted by Zalmon

Originally posted by FromHell

All these videos only prove one thing, Bioware´s cutscene director can´t even move a camera.

By the way the editing and cutting from one shot to the next is crazy, often misleading and breaks basic rules of how to work with camera angles quite too often. And yes I know what I´m talking about, I´m working with TV- and music video material, eight hours every day. 

SWTOR:

Every. Freakin. Shot. Is. STATIC. NO. CAMERA. MOVEMENT.

Funny how they brag about the whole "fourth pillar storytelling" and think they could get away with these lame static cutscenes.

There is only ONE way to do it worse, and that is the GW2 way.

 

Anyway, "static" is the one word which best describes SWTOR. Static questing, static cutscenes, static planets, static loading screens, static environmental lighting. I didn´t find anything "dynamic" about this game, sadly.

And i am Steven Spielberg. Best part of internet is we can claim whatever we like. So when your made up 99% statistics didn't pan out you come back with this BS.

I think you are getting a tad desperate here. I doubt you even know what static means. WHati find most ironic is that you love pointing fingers at GW2 fans because they are over zealous. Have you ever seen your posts?

Hmm he is right on the "no camera movement" thing though. Im currently playing the game and the camera instantly jumps from one angle to the next, there really is no "movement". But it isn't something i would notice without it being pointed out i guess ... TSW on the other hand has more ... well its more like what you see in TV. The camera apparently flying around and to show off enviroment and characters. The characters in ToR usually don't move around a lot, mostly its just a closeup of someones face blabbering away. TSW on the other hand has more problems with awkward animations and bad lip sync(or nonmoving lips at all).

Personally i think TSW does alot more than SWTOR(well minus the mute char), but doesn't do it as well. SWToR is a little less fancy, but looks really good while doing it.

 

Edit: Also TSW has horrible UI at large resolutions, its killing the game for me. ToR looks brilliant and texts are very crisp.

Originally posted by GwapoJosh
I hope not.. All that insane amount of money for a few minute cinematic could be used towards the actual game. An area that Swtor badly needed work on.

Nailed it. +1

Maybe the revamped Final Fantasy XIV.  I mean just check out this trailer.  It is single-handedly the best trailer I have ever seen for any game or movie.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39j5v8jlndM

Originally posted by Finit

Maybe the revamped Final Fantasy XIV.  I mean just check out this trailer.  It is single-handedly the best trailer I have ever seen for any game or movie.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39j5v8jlndM

Its awesome, but i bring these contenders:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90Qck-7kBuw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8gHQM9-AJk

 

Originally posted by Rocketeer

Originally posted by Finit

Maybe the revamped Final Fantasy XIV.  I mean just check out this trailer.  It is single-handedly the best trailer I have ever seen for any game or movie.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39j5v8jlndM

Its awesome, but i bring these contenders:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90Qck-7kBuw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8gHQM9-AJk

 

/facepalm

sure, throw in some pre-rendered CGI trailers. That fits into the discussion...

Have you seen anything ingame in SWTOR like their awesome marketing pre-release CGI trailers?

Hint: NO

They didn´t even render some space ship departurs for the handful of available ships, it´s all done in their crappy custom engine, with lots of cuts and zero camera movement.

Dull. Super DULL. How anyone can find the SWTOR cutscenes "well done" has absolutely no clue whatsoever.

/thread

 

 

@baphamet

I think your taking this far to personal and defensive. granted cinematics was what the op was talking about but we started talking about cutscenes. I know how bioware did cutscenes in other games is no different than swtor. i am simply saying that they are not the best, nor would they be hard to topple, because they are north worth toppling when compared to other games. Although that is a matter of opinion, its mine to make. do you really think im exaggerating about the game? hardly. do i make it a mission to bash this game on every thread thats created? not at all. Im trying to figure out what i said that was so critical that would be worthy of my input being ignored?

i feel this is fact, not opinion, that the money they spent on cutscenes and voiceovers and cinematics and ad campaigns could have been used to fine tune the game to produce a much better product.

Originally posted by Camaro68

When I first played SWTOR in the stress test I was actually more annoyed by the cutscenes than entertained.

I was in the veteran MMO player mentality of hauling ass through everything...I was mashing the spacebar just to get another chunk of exp, another skill, another talent point.

Maybe it's because I've got multiple level 50s but now I've slowed way down when I play through the levels.  I even turned off captions just to get more into the storylines.

Short answer, yes, of course they will be topped one day.

Long answer, Yes, with the speed of technology changes, of course they will be topped one day. Maybe not tomorrow, but one day. Thats how graphics work. I sincerely hope we arent stuck with this generation of graphics for the next 50 years, cos if we are, my latest GFX card will have been wasted ;)

SWTOR have already been topped by TSW, Camera work is clearly better, Story telling is better, Character depth it blows SWTOR out of the water.

 

As for the player mute, I love that they did that. As soon as the Developers add dialouge for the character its creates their personality. By not talking at all our personality for our characters stays with whatever we chose it to be. Then again this only really applies to RPers.

Heres Best way to explain it, I create a Very straight forward no nonsense Character, However as soon as they enter the cutscene they are now Quiping and cracking jokes at with the NPC.

Originally posted by Rayshe

As for the player mute, I love that they did that. As soon as the Developers add dialouge for the character its creates their personality. By not talking at all our personality for our characters stays with whatever we chose it to be. Then again this only really applies to RPers.

 

I agree. Your own imagination fills the blanks and makes the character you play a living person. In the same way when you are reading a good book. One and only game where I was thinking my character's background inside out - what he did in life, his motivations in general and some other really heavy sh*t - was surprise surprise EVE Online. The whole Character Sheet section in that game makes me remember my childhood pen and paper rpg sessions.

Originally posted by FromHell

Originally posted by Rocketeer

Originally posted by Finit

Maybe the revamped Final Fantasy XIV.  I mean just check out this trailer.  It is single-handedly the best trailer I have ever seen for any game or movie.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39j5v8jlndM

Its awesome, but i bring these contenders:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90Qck-7kBuw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8gHQM9-AJk

 

/facepalm

sure, throw in some pre-rendered CGI trailers. That fits into the discussion...

Have you seen anything ingame in SWTOR like their awesome marketing pre-release CGI trailers?

Hint: NO

They didn´t even render some space ship departurs for the handful of available ships, it´s all done in their crappy custom engine, with lots of cuts and zero camera movement.

Dull. Super DULL. How anyone can find the SWTOR cutscenes "well done" has absolutely no clue whatsoever.

/thread

 

 

Its not like you gave us some a deep understanding of what and how it should be. And no you work in media 8 hours day is something i am not buying. It is interesting how conveniently people are always working in the profession which is related to on going discussion...which they so desperately want to win but can not.

Originally posted by FromHell

Originally posted by Rocketeer

Originally posted by Finit

Maybe the revamped Final Fantasy XIV.  I mean just check out this trailer.  It is single-handedly the best trailer I have ever seen for any game or movie.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39j5v8jlndM

Its awesome, but i bring these contenders:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90Qck-7kBuw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8gHQM9-AJk

 

/facepalm

sure, throw in some pre-rendered CGI trailers. That fits into the discussion...

Have you seen anything ingame in SWTOR like their awesome marketing pre-release CGI trailers?

Hint: NO

They didn´t even render some space ship departurs for the handful of available ships, it´s all done in their crappy custom engine, with lots of cuts and zero camera movement.

Dull. Super DULL. How anyone can find the SWTOR cutscenes "well done" has absolutely no clue whatsoever.

/thread

 

 

WTF are you talking about? Try reading what you quote and pick your face out of the crap it landed in. I replied in return to a post of a FF14 cinematic in kind.

Cutscenes from Defiance look very nice,  very Mass Effect-ish. Almost as if old Bioware made them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gEDxcnXl60&feature=player_detailpage#t=448s

Originally posted by Sevenstar61

PS. Karteli... if you ever consider playing SWTOR again maybe we would level some toons together... I bet it would be plenty of fun LOL....

I *love* releplaying in Star Wars though.  I play various RP servers, sometimes other types if and when it gets/got boring, but not as commonly.

 

If anyone ever did roleplaying at any time in their life, Star Wars is the place to do it, lol :-)

Originally posted by Zalmon

Originally posted by FromHell

Originally posted by Rocketeer

Originally posted by Finit

Maybe the revamped Final Fantasy XIV.  I mean just check out this trailer.  It is single-handedly the best trailer I have ever seen for any game or movie.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39j5v8jlndM

Its awesome, but i bring these contenders:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90Qck-7kBuw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8gHQM9-AJk

 

/facepalm

sure, throw in some pre-rendered CGI trailers. That fits into the discussion...

Have you seen anything ingame in SWTOR like their awesome marketing pre-release CGI trailers?

Hint: NO

They didn´t even render some space ship departurs for the handful of available ships, it´s all done in their crappy custom engine, with lots of cuts and zero camera movement.

Dull. Super DULL. How anyone can find the SWTOR cutscenes "well done" has absolutely no clue whatsoever.

/thread

 

 

Its not like you gave us some a deep understanding of what and how it should be. And no you work in media 8 hours day is something i am not buying. It is interesting how conveniently people are always working in the profession which is related to on going discussion...which they so desperately want to win but can not.

[mod edit]

Ever thought about people having an opinion about something because they have expert knowledge about that field of work, therefore joining a discussion on a topic?

yeah what do I care if you are "buying" what I said, it´s meaningless to me, random person.

Even a consumer I can state that the cutscenes are lame, badly directed and dull. No camera movement in cutscenes of a 200 million $ Star Wars game is an insult. And whoever is editing together this cutscenes is an amateur.

This is completely ridiculous, just checked out some of the "said to be better than before" Makeb cinematics on youtube, and AGAIN BW didn´t even manage to move the camera a SINGLE time, every shot is static, cut-cut-cut, again. What a let down.

What in Yodas name is the problem, the engine? The cutscene director?

[mod edit]  How many necroes is this in the past week? Let it go. 

Originally posted by ktanner3
[mod edit] How many necroes is this in the past week? Let it go. 

[mod edit] do we need a new topic for everything, or you call it necro?

 

and yes. was reaearching if Makeb is worth the money, also if they improved the cutscene quality,[mod edit]

Bringing up a thread that was last active 3-4 months ago does count as necroing and in fact, a new thread is the answer. You can link to the previous thread in the new one, should you choose to.

 

In fact, bringing up threads more than say, a month old, generally counts in active forums. In slower forums, longer. Context matters.