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  n3v3rriv3r

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Joined: 5/13/10
Posts: 323

 
OP  11/18/12 3:18:23 PM#21
Originally posted by DarkShadow74
Its not just the company that is greedy, or Companies that are. Players are too. Listen to yourselfs, You are complaining because you have to pay for quickslots, when you dont have to pay for the game or the time. And if you got that, you would then cry that you only get 2 toon slots, when everyone else gets 12 that pays. And if they gave you that, it would be the something else.  You are as greed as they are, you want everything for Free so you can keep your money. You dont want to let go of it as bad as they want to take it. This isnt the only F2P that makes u buy needed things, and it will not be the last. People want to have a True F2P game with regular game content updates, fully MMO game, where it gives you the xpan free, the game for free and everything else. But the funny thing is, your the same people that dont want to work for min wage and do hard work to get it. You want to be paid 3 dollars over min wage to bend over and pick up trash. Well, if your not going to pay a month fee, and you want regular updates and for the servers to be keep up, etc on a High priced IP like star wars, then you have to pay somewhere.

Calm down I didn't insult you so pls ... manners.

I am not complaining I am observing, reporting my experience. Tbh I don't care about the game. Bought it at launch because of thier marketing and had fun for a week or two. Tried it out of curiosity now that it is f2p.
If they label this thing free to play then a player should be able ... to play. With only two quickslots it is practically impossible.

To your rambling about who I am and who I am not: I will pay for a quality product not a marketing gimmick. You do as you please tho - it is your money.

p.s. Are you sure you know what greed is? Not paying to a multi-million dollar company for quickslot bar is greedy to you?

  lizardbones

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Joined: 6/11/08
Posts: 10924

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11/18/12 3:48:30 PM#22


Originally posted by n3v3rriv3r

Originally posted by DarkShadow74 Its not just the company that is greedy, or Companies that are. Players are too. Listen to yourselfs, You are complaining because you have to pay for quickslots, when you dont have to pay for the game or the time. And if you got that, you would then cry that you only get 2 toon slots, when everyone else gets 12 that pays. And if they gave you that, it would be the something else.  You are as greed as they are, you want everything for Free so you can keep your money. You dont want to let go of it as bad as they want to take it. This isnt the only F2P that makes u buy needed things, and it will not be the last. People want to have a True F2P game with regular game content updates, fully MMO game, where it gives you the xpan free, the game for free and everything else. But the funny thing is, your the same people that dont want to work for min wage and do hard work to get it. You want to be paid 3 dollars over min wage to bend over and pick up trash. Well, if your not going to pay a month fee, and you want regular updates and for the servers to be keep up, etc on a High priced IP like star wars, then you have to pay somewhere.
Calm down I didn't insult you so pls ... manners.I am not complaining I am observing, reporting my experience. Tbh I don't care about the game. Bought it at launch because of thier marketing and had fun for a week or two. Tried it out of curiosity now that it is f2p.If they label this thing free to play then a player should be able ... to play. With only two quickslots it is practically impossible.

To your rambling about who I am and who I am not: I will pay for a quality product not a marketing gimmick. You do as you please tho - it is your money.

p.s. Are you sure you know what greed is? Not paying to a multi-million dollar company for quickslot bar is greedy to you?




I'm going to ask this again. I'm not going to get an answer here either, but what the heck.

The content for free and preferred status players is very limited. They cannot enter operations without buying a pass. Three or Five battlegrounds per week and three or five end game dungeons per week (I can't remember which is 3 and which is 5). So, given the limitations in the content that can be played, what's the point of having 100% of the available skills on quick slot bars? Are they needed to finish the story line quests? No, I think not. The players who are going to want to do the content that will cost money will either subscribe, and get the quick slot bars, or pay the $5 it'll take to get the quick slot bars and then pay for the content they want to access.

So the question is, what's the point of having the extra quick slot bars when the content that would require them is so limited to the players that don't have them by default?

I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  silverreign

Advanced Member

Joined: 6/09/08
Posts: 327

It is what it is

11/18/12 4:02:08 PM#23

i just played on my tank. having only 1 quick bar sucks but its not unplayable. i did just fine. a little annoyed but played fine.

  Grimmx

Novice Member

Joined: 8/30/11
Posts: 216

11/18/12 4:05:45 PM#24
Originally posted by silverreign

i just played on my tank. having only 1 quick bar sucks but its not unplayable. i did just fine. a little annoyed but played fine.

I wanted to have a quick look at SWTOR after they went FTP. I didnt even bother to set up my char when i got only 2 quick bars.

Doable, but just not worth it.

  FrodoFragins

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Joined: 4/29/10
Posts: 2776

11/18/12 4:36:55 PM#25
Originally posted by DarkShadow74
Its not just the company that is greedy, or Companies that are. Players are too. Listen to yourselfs, You are complaining because you have to pay for quickslots, when you dont have to pay for the game or the time. And if you got that, you would then cry that you only get 2 toon slots, when everyone else gets 12 that pays. And if they gave you that, it would be the something else.  You are as greed as they are, you want everything for Free so you can keep your money. You dont want to let go of it as bad as they want to take it. This isnt the only F2P that makes u buy needed things, and it will not be the last. People want to have a True F2P game with regular game content updates, fully MMO game, where it gives you the xpan free, the game for free and everything else. But the funny thing is, your the same people that dont want to work for min wage and do hard work to get it. You want to be paid 3 dollars over min wage to bend over and pick up trash. Well, if your not going to pay a month fee, and you want regular updates and for the servers to be keep up, etc on a High priced IP like star wars, then you have to pay somewhere.

I paid $60 for this game.  I don't think it's asking too much to have full UI functionality.

  DSWBeef

Apprentice Member

Joined: 8/11/09
Posts: 783

11/18/12 4:43:02 PM#26
If i can buy unlock bars for under 350k credits then its something i can SOMEWHAT tolerate but still but kepe my from giving them money.

Playing: Archeage Alpha, World of Warcraft, and Diablo 3
Waiting on: Archeage, Everquest Next and The Black Desert

  DSWBeef

Apprentice Member

Joined: 8/11/09
Posts: 783

11/18/12 4:43:41 PM#27
Originally posted by FrodoFragins
Originally posted by DarkShadow74
Its not just the company that is greedy, or Companies that are. Players are too. Listen to yourselfs, You are complaining because you have to pay for quickslots, when you dont have to pay for the game or the time. And if you got that, you would then cry that you only get 2 toon slots, when everyone else gets 12 that pays. And if they gave you that, it would be the something else.  You are as greed as they are, you want everything for Free so you can keep your money. You dont want to let go of it as bad as they want to take it. This isnt the only F2P that makes u buy needed things, and it will not be the last. People want to have a True F2P game with regular game content updates, fully MMO game, where it gives you the xpan free, the game for free and everything else. But the funny thing is, your the same people that dont want to work for min wage and do hard work to get it. You want to be paid 3 dollars over min wage to bend over and pick up trash. Well, if your not going to pay a month fee, and you want regular updates and for the servers to be keep up, etc on a High priced IP like star wars, then you have to pay somewhere.

I paid $60 for this game.  I don't think it's asking too much to have full UI functionality.

How do you think us CE owners feel? Im not even mad that i bought the CE its an awesome CE but the game ultimately failed.

Playing: Archeage Alpha, World of Warcraft, and Diablo 3
Waiting on: Archeage, Everquest Next and The Black Desert

  DSWBeef

Apprentice Member

Joined: 8/11/09
Posts: 783

11/18/12 4:49:34 PM#28
Just checked the AH on jedi cov and no one is selling quickslot unlocks so ny stance remains the same.

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Waiting on: Archeage, Everquest Next and The Black Desert

  saxifr

Apprentice Member

Joined: 2/02/05
Posts: 389

11/18/12 5:00:54 PM#29
Originally posted by DarkShadow74
Its not just the company that is greedy, or Companies that are. Players are too. Listen to yourselfs, You are complaining because you have to pay for quickslots, when you dont have to pay for the game or the time. And if you got that, you would then cry that you only get 2 toon slots, when everyone else gets 12 that pays. And if they gave you that, it would be the something else.  You are as greed as they are, you want everything for Free so you can keep your money. You dont want to let go of it as bad as they want to take it. This isnt the only F2P that makes u buy needed things, and it will not be the last. People want to have a True F2P game with regular game content updates, fully MMO game, where it gives you the xpan free, the game for free and everything else. But the funny thing is, your the same people that dont want to work for min wage and do hard work to get it. You want to be paid 3 dollars over min wage to bend over and pick up trash. Well, if your not going to pay a month fee, and you want regular updates and for the servers to be keep up, etc on a High priced IP like star wars, then you have to pay somewhere.

I'm sorry, You got me dead to rights. I'm so ashamed of myself. How did I ever go so wrong?

RELAX!@!! BREATHE!!!

  SuperDonk

Elite Member

Joined: 6/22/10
Posts: 714

11/18/12 5:06:24 PM#30

I didn't quit SWTOR because it had a sub, I quit becuase I got to end game with two different characters and found it lacking. If I wanted a copy and paste WoW end game, I would play WoW since you can actually world PVP, wow has better PVE instances, and WoW has far, far better PVP battlegrounds/warzones.

 

I'll admit I was mildy interested in the F2P, but that interest quickly faded once I read the F2P restrictions. But who am I kidding, everytime I went back to an MMO after a F2P conversion, I remember why I left to begin with and uninstall. SWTOR's restrictions have ensured that I will not go back to see what is new. I guess I should thank them for saving me  the download time.

I want to be Uncle Owen again.

  User Deleted
11/19/12 3:19:30 AM#31
Originally posted by versulas
There aren't enough threads about this already? F2P isn't a requirement...

No, there arent enough threads, stupdity of EA deserves every one made and then some....

Originally posted by DSWBeef
Just checked the AH on jedi cov and no one is selling quickslot unlocks so ny stance remains the same.

On my server people sell them...at few million a piece...try to buy that as F2P...aahahahahahahahahhahaah

EA really didnt think this through rofl

  Doomedfox

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Joined: 4/01/10
Posts: 697

11/19/12 3:50:16 AM#32
Originally posted by FrodoFragins
Originally posted by thamighty213

you can buy them for credits in game on the gtn as you can every unlock or a paying friend can gift you them.

 

I have gifted 2 entire sets of unlocks to mates and sold a load more on the gtn.

how much?  If it's over the credit cap then it's not much use.

LOL 

So this unlocks are only interesting for the F2P crowd sub gamers have no need for it so why would they sell for more than what the F2P crowd could have?

I mean who would buy it?

  Doomedfox

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Joined: 4/01/10
Posts: 697

11/19/12 3:53:36 AM#33
Originally posted by mikahr
Originally posted by versulas
There aren't enough threads about this already? F2P isn't a requirement...

No, there arent enough threads, stupdity of EA deserves every one made and then some....

Originally posted by DSWBeef
Just checked the AH on jedi cov and no one is selling quickslot unlocks so ny stance remains the same.

On my severe people sell them...at few million a piece...try to buy that as F2P...aahahahahahahahahhahaah

EA really didnt think this through rofl

So there are a few stupid ppl who thought they would be smart and sell items for tons of cash and they did not realize that F2P has  a limit on there credits.....and that is EAs fault?

How exaclty is it EAs fault that some ppl are stupid?

Btw i am not pro quickslot cashshop i think its wrong and EA should rethink there stand on that soon.

  monstermmo

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Joined: 10/08/10
Posts: 1074

11/19/12 3:56:32 AM#34
lol I'm looking forward to playing SWTOR again when i feel like making some HDD space for it but anybody that defends the hotbar being in the cash shop is out of their damn minds. =p

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  DSWBeef

Apprentice Member

Joined: 8/11/09
Posts: 783

11/19/12 4:01:51 AM#35

Just Uninstalled. Until EAware removes ATLEAST the hotbar, headslot, and race restrictions then you wont see me playing it. Shame to I wanted SWTOR to be my "casual" game while i go hard in RIFT. 

Also the reception by subs to F2P players has been atrocious. Never in my life have I seen the words "freeloader", "Welfare" and "Bums" used so much, truly a terrible community. Almost as bad as WoWs community.....

Playing: Archeage Alpha, World of Warcraft, and Diablo 3
Waiting on: Archeage, Everquest Next and The Black Desert

  User Deleted
11/19/12 4:04:10 AM#36
Originally posted by Doomedfox
Originally posted by mikahr
Originally posted by versulas
There aren't enough threads about this already? F2P isn't a requirement...

No, there arent enough threads, stupdity of EA deserves every one made and then some....

Originally posted by DSWBeef
Just checked the AH on jedi cov and no one is selling quickslot unlocks so ny stance remains the same.

On my severe people sell them...at few million a piece...try to buy that as F2P...aahahahahahahahahhahaah

EA really didnt think this through rofl

So there are a few stupid ppl who thought they would be smart and sell items for tons of cash and they did not realize that F2P has  a limit on there credits.....and that is EAs fault?

How exaclty is it EAs fault that some ppl are stupid?

Btw i am not pro quickslot cashshop i think its wrong and EA should rethink there stand on that soon.

Because noone will buy em from shop and sell them (which was intention in making them free to trade) for so low.

So "just buy em from GTN" stuff goes right out of the window, F2P will have to spend cash on - quickslots.

  DSWBeef

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Posts: 783

11/19/12 4:13:12 AM#37
If quickslot are selling more then 350k credits then F2P HAVE to buy em with cash unless you meet someone generous which is doubtful in todays swtor community.

Playing: Archeage Alpha, World of Warcraft, and Diablo 3
Waiting on: Archeage, Everquest Next and The Black Desert

  koljane

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Joined: 3/01/10
Posts: 130

11/19/12 4:17:08 AM#38

SWTOR is the game I so loved in beta and i said to muself: "As a SW fan from early 80`s it is finaly heare, bye bye WOW and all other MMO`s my dream came true" :D

2 months later i stoped cause game as we all know is a huge co op single player based game. 

That is why there are all this restrictions basicly.

Selling UI parts is also important to make your PvP, PvE hard or almost unplayable cause they are giving you to play 2 different story mods only with hint on other aspects of the game.

It is wrong as much as the system they made that killed the game generaly. 

Still I am willing to give game a chance for 1 month sub and see can I be hooked on operations and HMs but that is cause I am a huge fan of Star Wars and for most ppl they are not this f2p model is finaly good bye and all thanks to EA that do not even try to listen to comunity.

One more thing, my brother came to Lucas Arts to work on new engin for upcoming game last year, and he told me even before finaly lounch of the game that things will go ugly cause he was there and saw how unprepared they all were 24h before the game went live. 

But look from the other side, how many games you know that had so much bad decisions made by their creators and still lives (on machines mainly, but still lives :D)

  Doomedfox

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Joined: 4/01/10
Posts: 697

11/19/12 4:20:13 AM#39
Originally posted by DSWBeef
If quickslot are selling more then 350k credits then F2P HAVE to buy em with cash unless you meet someone generous which is doubtful in todays swtor community.

I have to agree the community did take a huge turn for the worse right when F2p Launched.

However i also have to say that the chats were full of annoying whining about the CS.

It is a bad one i will not argue that point but no one is forcing you to use it.

Pay a sub or use the F2P model but do not cry about the F2P model beeing unfair all the time in chat.

F2P is not a generous welfare program to let everyone play the game its a buisness model to make cash. 

  DSWBeef

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Joined: 8/11/09
Posts: 783

11/19/12 4:28:32 AM#40
Originally posted by Doomedfox
Originally posted by DSWBeef
If quickslot are selling more then 350k credits then F2P HAVE to buy em with cash unless you meet someone generous which is doubtful in todays swtor community.

I have to agree the community did take a huge turn for the worse right when F2p Launched.

However i also have to say that the chats were full of annoying whining about the CS.

It is a bad one i will not argue that point but no one is forcing you to use it.

Pay a sub or use the F2P model but do not cry about the F2P model beeing unfair all the time in chat.

F2P is not a generous welfare program to let everyone play the game its a buisness model to make cash. 

I logged on once and said nothing. I posted once on the forums suggesting changes not whining. Nothing will throw a new F2P off more then being called bad, freeloader, whinder, welfare, and bum. And aslo the F2P model is unfair, Aion and Lotro have far less restrictive models and are EXTREMELY successful. Especially Aions which gives you the full game and offers fluff items in its store.

Just look at how there model works.

 

  • No subscription fee. Play for free!
  • No account restrictions. Visit any zone, chat in any channel, sell any amount of stuff on the trade broker—nothing is off limits!
  • Robust countermeasures to combat game abuse. We're dedicating a ton of resources to preventing account theft, botting, and real money trading.
  • No hassles. Create your account, download the game, and play!
  • No harassment. Don't worry, we won't hound you with constant offers or promotions.
  • A lot of great stuff we'll reveal more about leading up to launch!
And people wonder why Aion is so successful atm. I would buy costumes off the store just to support a dev who isnt greedy just on principle.

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