The game is not as bad as some ppl say. I think it's fun but I expected a lot more to be honest, based on the IP, the budget and the developers involved.

Originally posted by Ahnog

1. As a good mmo should, the game provides for social interaction. (Without chat bubbles so you have to search for whos actually talking for roleplay)

2. The class stories are great. Agreed

6. Crafting is a blast and is really useful leveling up and providing a starting point for the end game. agreed, tell engame when its useless.

9. Pursuing datacroms is a good challenge for 50s. Only becase the hit/jump box doesnt match sprite textures.

12. While the world pvp didn't work out so well, the instanced pvp zones are great. agreed

Overall, a ok and decent game.

Things I agree with you. Not enough imho thou.

Originally posted by cinos

If SWTOR was truly great then it wouldn't have lost nearly 70% of it's subscribers (2.4mil -> ~750k) in half a year and still falling.

Sub fees apparently account for 40% of those losses (according to EA), so what about the other 60%?

Sorry, but when a game which is made by Bioware, using the Star Wars IP and has a blank check from EA, fails to hold on to its subscribers, there is something inherently wrong with the game.

SWTOR may be great for you therefore, which is fine, but unfortunately you are apparently in a vast minority that still hold on to that opinion.

 

 

 

Flawed Logic.  Great doesn't automatically equate to successful or (number of losses).  I'm not saying it is great.  I think it is a fun MMO.  No particularly outstanding features that scream great IMO.  My only point is the logic flaw.

Originally posted by Ahnog

1. As a good mmo should, the game provides for social interaction.

2. The class stories are great.

3. Leveling is fun.

4. There is a ton of things to do at 50.

5. The dailies do what dailies should do--provide a way to make the credits you need to play the game. Doing any one of the planets will give you enough for basic game play. The great thing is they don't have to be dailies.

6. Crafting is a blast and is really useful leveling up and providing a starting point for the end game.

7. The Instances and Operations are well made. Some complain they are to easy, but remember the target audience is not hardcore mmoers who hit 50 in a day, but Star Wars fans.

8. Heroics while leveling up prepares one for the end game, and provide plenty of opportunity for social interaction while leveling.

9. Pursuing datacroms is a good challenge for 50s.

10. Playing the GTN is fun and profitible.

11. There are plenty of opportunities for role playing.

12. While the world pvp didn't work out so well, the instanced pvp zones are great.

Overall, a great and exciting game.

I liked the game too, but one thing I really wish was different was the whole fleet structure.  Once the majority of the population reached endgame it lead to dead worlds.  There is also no excuse for no open PVP because this type of game screams for it. It's set in the time period when jedi and sith were numerous and there should be large scale battles happening. At least provide warzones or create instanced battlefields that can hold 20 vs. 20. Even with all of Ilum's faults, it was nice to have fights against more than eight people. 

Originally posted by Ahnog

Overall, a great and exciting game.

 

 

Yes for a single player RPG but not as an MMO which is why the majority of people left. They "Beat" the game.

I agree with the OP

SWTOR is a great game (well decent).....................but it's a bad MMORPG

Hope that sets things straight.

 

Originally posted by RoyalPhunk

Originally posted by Ahnog

Overall, a great and exciting game.

 

 

Yes for a single player RPG but not as an MMO which is why the majority of people left. They "Beat" the game.

I agree.  I had quite a lot of fun while I leveled up two characters -- which is one more character than I would have in a single player game.  In that sense, I'm not that sad about the purchase price, but as an MMO it is not a good or long lasting game.  In a gear-gring style mmo (which I like), it's bringing nothing new to the table and didn't have enough content to last.

SWTOR is really strange -- of all the mmos I've played over the years (and I've played most of the big ones), this one leaves the worst taste in my mouth after having left it.   Maybe it's because there were so many great things during the leveling process, but the game engine just sucks so bad, and the endgame was so weak, that it became a huge letdown.  I really can't see the F2P model changing anything for this game.

 

 

It is great game with best story around. Something what i miss is that Star W ars feeling. SWG was poorly created mmo but you had that SW feeling, that loneliness in desert of tatooines with spice of fear. I have this not in swtor. Great game but fail star wars ambient, i think most of the blame goes to cartoonish graphic. It should be more  ''real'' like AOC for example with more sandbox.

Its a decent Singleplayer RPG game. But i pref. Skyrim.

Originally posted by Noam

Originally posted by Ahnog

1. As a good mmo should, the game provides for social interaction.

2. The class stories are great.

3. Leveling is fun.

4. There is a ton of things to do at 50.

5. The dailies do what dailies should do--provide a way to make the credits you need to play the game. Doing any one of the planets will give you enough for basic game play. The great thing is they don't have to be dailies.

6. Crafting is a blast and is really useful leveling up and providing a starting point for the end game.

7. The Instances and Operations are well made. Some complain they are to easy, but remember the target audience is not hardcore mmoers who hit 50 in a day, but Star Wars fans.

8. Heroics while leveling up prepares one for the end game, and provide plenty of opportunity for social interaction while leveling.

9. Pursuing datacroms is a good challenge for 50s.

10. Playing the GTN is fun and profitible.

11. There are plenty of opportunities for role playing.

12. While the world pvp didn't work out so well, the instanced pvp zones are great.

Overall, a great and exciting game.

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He have all the right to like this game. You can see here on mmorpg.com topics about wow, aoc, eve and this games are much older from swtor.

I'm sure some think it's a great game ... and it's not bad by any means. The story line is pretty good ... everything else was ok. However teh more and mroe I played the more teh game felt like a co op. SWG did the Star wars franchise more justice than this and it certainly dropped the ball as well.

 Great game? IMO it is far from it, great games dont go F2P right of the gate with as much money as they sunk into the game. Maybe greatest dissapontment for a game in recent memory ...

It's so GREAT that they decided to make it free!

Swotor is terabad.

Originally posted by cinos

Originally posted by Ahnog

Originally posted by cinos

If SWTOR was truly great then it wouldn't have lost nearly 70% of it's subscribers (2.4mil -> ~750k) in half a year and still falling.

Sub fees apparently account for 40% of those losses (according to EA), so what about the other 60%?

Sorry, but when a game which is made by Bioware, using the Star Wars IP and has a blank check from EA, fails to hold on to its subscribers, there is something inherently wrong with the game.

SWTOR may be great for you therefore, which is fine, but unfortunately you are apparently in a vast minority that still hold on to that opinion.

 

 

 

 

I don't mind holding a minority opinion; majorty opinions are not necessarily correct ones.

Which is why I said it's fine. :p

The point of my post however was to illustrate that "unfortunately" the vast majority do not think the same as you regarding this game. Something that should never have happened considering the pedigree and resources involved in creating it.

 

 

With that twisted logic you might as well go play Pandas in WOW, since that is the only game that may have a 'majority' of MMO players still playing it. No other game does..so I guess all games except WOW are bad....right?

Originally posted by keithian

Originally posted by cinos

Originally posted by Ahnog

Originally posted by cinos

If SWTOR was truly great then it wouldn't have lost nearly 70% of it's subscribers (2.4mil -> ~750k) in half a year and still falling.

Sub fees apparently account for 40% of those losses (according to EA), so what about the other 60%?

Sorry, but when a game which is made by Bioware, using the Star Wars IP and has a blank check from EA, fails to hold on to its subscribers, there is something inherently wrong with the game.

SWTOR may be great for you therefore, which is fine, but unfortunately you are apparently in a vast minority that still hold on to that opinion.

 

 

 

 

I don't mind holding a minority opinion; majorty opinions are not necessarily correct ones.

Which is why I said it's fine. :p

The point of my post however was to illustrate that "unfortunately" the vast majority do not think the same as you regarding this game. Something that should never have happened considering the pedigree and resources involved in creating it.

 

 

With that twisted logic you might as well go play Pandas in WOW, since that is the only game that may have a 'majority' of MMO players still playing it. No other game does..so I guess all games except WOW are bad....right?

You call his logic twisted. Look it's simple. Failed launch, failed subscriber retention, and now F2P? You can be a fanboi all you like but numbers don't lie.

Some of you guys are really lucky that one of my moderators went through this thread already. No one should ever be laid into on our forums and called a shill or a plant because they happen to have a positive review of a game you don't like.

This sort of unprovoked hostility is not going to be treated with anything resembling lenience from now on. Troll at your own risk.

Originally posted by MikeB

Some of you guys are really lucky that one of my moderators went through this thread already. No one should ever be laid into on our forums and called a shill or a plant because they happen to have a positive review of a game you don't like.

This sort of unprovoked hostility is not going to be treated with anything resembling lenience from now on. Troll at your own risk.

Mike seriously the game is garbage. i know that you guys get paid to say otherwise, but c'mon for once tell the truth. Tell me with a straight face that this is a quality game.

If it were great, it wouldn't have gone free to play this fast. Not enough content to keep players occupied thus they are losing subs at a phenominal rate.. Not saying it's horrible, but average at best.

Originally posted by MikeB

"called a shill or a plant "

lol, must have missed those. couldn't imagine, "TOR SUCKS, YOU ARE A DAMN FERN!", "YOU SHUT UP YOU ROSE!" :)

Originally posted by TruthXHurts

Originally posted by MikeB

Some of you guys are really lucky that one of my moderators went through this thread already. No one should ever be laid into on our forums and called a shill or a plant because they happen to have a positive review of a game you don't like.

This sort of unprovoked hostility is not going to be treated with anything resembling lenience from now on. Troll at your own risk.

Mike seriously the game is garbage. i know that you guys get paid to say otherwise, but c'mon for once tell the truth. Tell me with a straight face that this is a quality game.

This has nothing to do with SWTOR. It has to do with the way you guys treat each other. It just happens to be particularly bad on this subforum (one of our three most trafficked). I don't care if you dislike or like this game or any other. What I do care about is that you let each other voice that opinion without jumping down each others' throats and calling users' integrity into question without any evidence.

If you think someone is actually a shill or a plant, get in touch with me prviately with whatever evidence you have and I'll look into it. I'm not going to stand for users getting this sort of reaction. It's completely ridiculous and drives away potential contributive community members.