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Star Wars: The Old Republic Forum » General Discussion » Seems like the game has peaked on XFire - Part 2

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jacklo Apprentice Member Joined: 7/29/09 Posts: 571	7/18/12 7:17:22 PM#561 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Thoth-Amon people still use xfire? Ahem, a thread with a total of 2365 posts and some dude comes up with this again. You know, we never thought of that. Duh.
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ktanner3 Master Joined: 3/19/06 Posts: 3922 Trolls will be ignored	7/19/12 8:57:33 AM#562 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by ktanner3 *Originally posted by ktanner3* *Originally posted by ktanner3* 7/5/2012 GAME USERS WOW 11,398 TOR 1,405 TSW 833 TERA 571 7/9/2012 Game Users WOW 11651 TOR 1574 TSW 1197 TERA 562 7/16/12 Game Users WOW 11,751 TOR 1,817 TSW 1,138 TERA 465 7/19/2012 Game Users WOW 11,470 TOR 1,567 TSW 927 TERA 447 NGE killed SWG. Get over it like the rest of us did in 2005.
superniceguy Elite Member Joined: 2/17/07 Posts: 1926 NGE > NGE 2, LOTRO > NGE 2, STO > NGE 2, KOTOR > NGE 2, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2. NGE 2 = SWTOR	7/19/12 9:23:36 AM#563 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by ktanner3 *Originally posted by ktanner3* *Originally posted by ktanner3* *Originally posted by ktanner3* 7/5/2012 GAME USERS WOW 11,398 TOR 1,405 TSW 833 TERA 571 7/9/2012 Game Users WOW 11651 TOR 1574 TSW 1197 TERA 562 7/16/12 Game Users WOW 11,751 TOR 1,817 TSW 1,138 TERA 465 7/19/2012 Game Users WOW 11,470 TOR 1,567 TSW 927 TERA 447 TOR had a slight boost due to the free Lv 15 trial, but dropped back down again. I am not bothering with TSW as 1) it is just another story driven (single player) game 2) Another EA production 3) EU subs cost £12.99 whereas others incl TOR cost £8.99, but has 2 postives -1) Not another fantasy themed MMO and 2) Has no levels. I may try it later though. Tera is just another generic fantasy themed MMO, so getting overlooked, but I may give it a go. You also keep missing out EVE which has 997 players Star Trek Online - Best Free MMORPG of 2012 Do not take peoples opinion for the truth, search the internet to see if it is true
teakbois Apprentice Member Joined: 5/06/06 Posts: 2190	7/19/12 9:34:13 AM#564 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Creslin321 I think that people like to dismiss or discredit XFire when it doesn't agree with their argument ;). Xfire is worthless for raw numbers. SWTOR has a lot more than 3x TERAs players, but TERA appeals to an age range that is significantly more likely to use xfire so a greater % of their players use it. For trends though it can be useful, especially with a sample size as large as WoW or even swtor. For a game like Rift with only 200 xfire users, its mostly worthless.
User Deleted	7/19/12 5:00:49 PM#565 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by teakbois *Originally posted by Creslin321* I think that people like to dismiss or discredit XFire when it doesn't agree with their argument ;). Xfire is worthless for raw numbers. SWTOR has a lot more than 3x TERAs players, but TERA appeals to an age range that is significantly more likely to use xfire so a greater % of their players use it. For trends though it can be useful, especially with a sample size as large as WoW or even swtor. For a game like Rift with only 200 xfire users, its mostly worthless. Especially since AION has double the population of SWTOR right now possibly more. Arguing xfire numbers on a below mediocre game at this point, is a waste of energy. The hype train has long since been debunked and run off the tracks. http://www.mmodata.net/
Pelaaja Advanced Member Joined: 10/14/08 Posts: 700	7/19/12 5:07:29 PM#566 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by superniceguy You also keep missing out EVE which has 997 players I don't think you need to remember EVE, because you can see concurrent players on their launcher. Like atm there's 33,863 players online. All other (afaik) games you can/need to speculate on how many players there is, on EVE it's told straightforward.
guernica88 Novice Member Joined: 4/16/12 Posts: 5	7/19/12 5:07:57 PM#567 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by unfettered worse thing is that SWTOR shows no signs of having any kind of F2P or MT framework established or even conceptualized. so now that it's revealed that they have not made any money on SWTOR, and other projects can't make it up, they can't even go F2P. they're more likely to just shut it down. I think the legacy stuff is a perfect setup for a f2p store. Add another just like it for mounts weapons and costumes and they're good to go. That said I really hope it doesn't go f2p anytime soon. I'm still enjoying the game too much to watch it slowly be ruined by a f2p model. Yes I know this doesn't always happen but there seems to be a pretty good chance of it.
superniceguy Elite Member Joined: 2/17/07 Posts: 1926 NGE > NGE 2, LOTRO > NGE 2, STO > NGE 2, KOTOR > NGE 2, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2. NGE 2 = SWTOR	7/20/12 7:01:44 AM#568 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Pelaaja *Originally posted by superniceguy* You also keep missing out EVE which has 997 players I don't think you need to remember EVE, because you can see concurrent players on their launcher. Like atm there's 33,863 players online. All other (afaik) games you can/need to speculate on how many players there is, on EVE it's told straightforward. OK then, on that thinking, EVE is number one! Star Trek Online - Best Free MMORPG of 2012 Do not take peoples opinion for the truth, search the internet to see if it is true
superniceguy Elite Member Joined: 2/17/07 Posts: 1926 NGE > NGE 2, LOTRO > NGE 2, STO > NGE 2, KOTOR > NGE 2, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2. NGE 2 = SWTOR	7/20/12 7:24:24 AM#569 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by teakbois *Originally posted by Creslin321* I think that people like to dismiss or discredit XFire when it doesn't agree with their argument ;). Xfire is worthless for raw numbers. SWTOR has a lot more than 3x TERAs players, but TERA appeals to an age range that is significantly more likely to use xfire so a greater % of their players use it. For trends though it can be useful, especially with a sample size as large as WoW or even swtor. For a game like Rift with only 200 xfire users, its mostly worthless. I don't think age has anything to do with it. You either use it or you don't. I use Xfire as it covers virtually every game there is. Other similar programs do not. Steam only supports games they sell and / or you can download from them, but if you only play games offered by Steam then you are less likely to use Xfire. SWTOR is not on Steam so to track your gametime, Xfire is the most obvious choice. Raptr is just messy if you just want PC logging, as covers all platforms, but not so much with Wii, and have used it briefly and does not record the play time as accuarately as Xfre. TSW even did a special beta test for people using Xfire before launch, and there is a known issue which they are working with xfire to resolve. Star Trek Online - Best Free MMORPG of 2012 Do not take peoples opinion for the truth, search the internet to see if it is true
Sukiyaki Elite Member Joined: 8/14/09 Posts: 1080	7/21/12 8:44:19 AM#570 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Tensor25 I think that you like to ride coat tails and refuse to read. As I did state as a FACT: SWTOR SUBS ARE DECLINING. I discredit Xfire in this scenario because its not credible information. Understand? If not see my repsonse gervaise1 You argue with selfproclaimed anonymous "experts" and "scientist" on the internet, who even fail at basic 1st grade algebra and openly agree and claim that xfire has "1 Million daily user", when not even on weekends the public numbers add up to a third of that. A hard fact that could be verified by any 1st grader simply counting them and has no room room for assumptions or twist. Of course easier to let a script do the work for you. A fabricated argument to support accuracies based of user which simply dont even exist (And thats the case even if you ignore the fact an any user could play more than one game = accumulated user of all games arent neccessarily unique user and dont contribute to a "sample" size accuracy). And whom deny hundreds of pages their so called "evidence supporting xfire" has all times been debunked and lies exposed and ignore the several strong examples which still expose xfires significant inaccuracies for trend tracking, activity tracking, game on game comparison, as population indicator, going from conradicting public population data of games, over public financial records, contradicting public accepted scientific surveys, over exposure of xfires methods of tracking their user (not sampling gamer) down to the countles of failures by these apologist to even understand what the fck they are even talking about, when they refer to data the keep citing and deliberately spinning , even when its just reading labels wrong over and over again. Dont waste you time anymore. Most has already been said and at best received ignorance and denial in response, sometimes even just blatant lies to evade the argument. I mean.. this whole thread was based of a claim attempting to bash this game (just like every other apologist here despite the obvious denial) that was unargueably debunked just one single day after it was posted and had to suffer even worse defeat facing the contrary developement evey day for about two weeks. Some random claims are made up, object fact are spun (like the recent lies about "merges" and "shutting down" servers, when nothing has been merged yet or shut down at all), they get proven wrong or exposed, the apologist will pretend it never happened or it wasnt debunked, then go nitpick at the one or two posts every 30 pages by people who dont know xfire and dont trust it and then restart the scripted act of denial, pretending no evidence against their ridicoulous claims and lies have ever been brought forword and as if their claims have been evidently "confirmed in the past" even if its just equally assumed as before and at best roll up every "argument" that that has already been debunked before, i itf isnt just far catched, uneducatd and unverifyable assumption anyway. Thats how its started, thats how it went on up till now and there is nothing that holds them back to continue this behavior. 'Seamless world' - A world lacking visible or phys. seams, forming forced breaking points during transition and movement; 'Favourite game' - The game someone prefers the most of all; Learn the difference. "fluid & polished" vs "slugish & poor"* Learn the difference.
TeknoBug Apprentice Member Joined: 10/13/07 Posts: 2113	7/21/12 9:37:52 AM#571 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by unfettered worse thing is that SWTOR shows no signs of having any kind of F2P or MT framework established or even conceptualized. so now that it's revealed that they have not made any money on SWTOR, and other projects can't make it up, they can't even go F2P. they're more likely to just shut it down. You need to do some looking around, first of all, HeroEngine was designed for F2P games which makes sense now, I initially thought "omg fail on picking a bad engine for this game". And a dev actually mentioned F2P at one point during a discussion with Gamebreaker. They can't shut it down, they're on a contract with Lucas Arts, if they shut it down too soon, they'll owe lots of money to them.
Vrika Hard Core Member Joined: 10/03/05 Posts: 1594	7/22/12 11:44:44 AM#572 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) SWTOR vs. WoW time played on XFire 100% = WoW's time played, blue line = SWTOR's time played. All my data is from Saturdays. No large changes have happened during last 2 months. Both WoW's and SWTOR's time played has stayed roughly the same despite summer holidays and the release of TSW.
gervaise1 Elite Member Joined: 1/17/07 Posts: 607	7/22/12 4:07:28 PM#573 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) ^^^^ Yes and no. I won't nitpicjk about the decline in the last month from the 1500s to the 1400s. What has happened however is that there have been a lot of free trial stuff; most significantly the recent free for anyone who wants to play to level 15. Despite that the number is still flat. And at some point the people who took out a 6 month sub will start to come up for renewal. With all the free days its a bit hard to say when exactly they come up for renewal - pretty sure it is after the next reporting date - but they will come up for renewal and some may decide to call it a day.
ktanner3 Master Joined: 3/19/06 Posts: 3922 Trolls will be ignored	7/23/12 8:05:17 AM#574 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by ktanner3 *Originally posted by ktanner3* *Originally posted by ktanner3* *Originally posted by ktanner3* 7/5/2012 GAME USERS WOW 11,398 TOR 1,405 TSW 833 TERA 571 7/9/2012 Game Users WOW 11651 TOR 1574 TSW 1197 TERA 562 7/16/12 Game Users WOW 11,751 TOR 1,817 TSW 1,138 TERA 465 7/19/2012 Game Users WOW 11,470 TOR 1,567 TSW 927 TERA 447 7/23/12 Game Users WOW 11,596 TOR 1,494 TSW 812 TERA 387 NGE killed SWG. Get over it like the rest of us did in 2005.
ktanner3 Master Joined: 3/19/06 Posts: 3922 Trolls will be ignored	7/30/12 9:20:46 AM#575 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by ktanner3 *Originally posted by ktanner3* *Originally posted by ktanner3* *Originally posted by ktanner3* *Originally posted by ktanner3* 7/5/2012 GAME USERS WOW 11,398 TOR 1,405 TSW 833 TERA 571 7/9/2012 Game Users WOW 11651 TOR 1574 TSW 1197 TERA 562 7/16/12 Game Users WOW 11,751 TOR 1,817 TSW 1,138 TERA 465 7/19/2012 Game Users WOW 11,470 TOR 1,567 TSW 927 TERA 447 7/23/12 Game Users WOW 11,596 TOR 1,494 TSW 812 TERA 387 7/30/2012 Game USERS WOW 11,735 TOR 1,482 TSW 753 TERA 393 NGE killed SWG. Get over it like the rest of us did in 2005.
Icewhite Made History Joined: 7/11/11 Posts: 5524 Pink, it's like red but not quite.	7/30/12 9:26:45 AM#576 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by sookster54 You need to do some looking around, first of all, HeroEngine was designed for F2P games No, it really wasn't. F2P didn't really exist in the West when development of HE began...and certainly not a Simutronics.
ktanner3 Master Joined: 3/19/06 Posts: 3922 Trolls will be ignored	8/06/12 8:59:56 AM#577 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by ktanner3 *Originally posted by ktanner3* *Originally posted by ktanner3* *Originally posted by ktanner3* *Originally posted by ktanner3* *Originally posted by ktanner3* 7/5/2012 GAME USERS WOW 11,398 TOR 1,405 TSW 833 TERA 571 7/9/2012 Game Users WOW 11651 TOR 1574 TSW 1197 TERA 562 7/16/12 Game Users WOW 11,751 TOR 1,817 TSW 1,138 TERA 465 7/19/2012 Game Users WOW 11,470 TOR 1,567 TSW 927 TERA 447 7/23/12 Game Users WOW 11,596 TOR 1,494 TSW 812 TERA 387 7/30/2012 Game USERS WOW 11,735 TOR 1,482 TSW 753 TERA 393 8/6/2012 FTP announcement last week GAME USERS WOW 11,551 TOR 1,519 TSW 981 TERA 415 NGE killed SWG. Get over it like the rest of us did in 2005.
tiefighter25 Advanced Member Joined: 7/30/12 Posts: 942	8/06/12 5:42:57 PM#578 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Feel free to call me a tin foil hat wearing tin foil chewing hater. Why did MMO-Junkies.net (what was supposed to measure SWTOR's success) abruptly shut down? Why does TOR Status (which doesn't count the dead servers in population trends) still count dead servers in the server overall change? Why do the dead servers keep universally rising in population (currently .02) the exact same ammount on each server every week if they are dead? Why is it on TOR-Status, it shows that since the mergers, the destination servers keep losing population, but SWTOR's x-fire numbers keep slightly rising? People keep asking who uses x-fire, perhaps Bioware does for one. Doing my share to keep up some flame free drama in an epic thread.
ktanner3 Master Joined: 3/19/06 Posts: 3922 Trolls will be ignored	8/13/12 8:02:34 AM#579 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by ktanner3 *Originally posted by ktanner3* *Originally posted by ktanner3* *Originally posted by ktanner3* *Originally posted by ktanner3* *Originally posted by ktanner3* *Originally posted by ktanner3* 7/5/2012 GAME USERS WOW 11,398 TOR 1,405 TSW 833 TERA 571 7/9/2012 Game Users WOW 11651 TOR 1574 TSW 1197 TERA 562 7/16/12 Game Users WOW 11,751 TOR 1,817 TSW 1,138 TERA 465 7/19/2012 Game Users WOW 11,470 TOR 1,567 TSW 927 TERA 447 7/23/12 Game Users WOW 11,596 TOR 1,494 TSW 812 TERA 387 7/30/2012 Game USERS WOW 11,735 TOR 1,482 TSW 753 TERA 393 8/6/2012 FTP announcement last week GAME USERS WOW 11,551 TOR 1,519 TSW 981 TERA 415 8/13/2012 Game Users WOW 11,545 TOR 1,495 TSW 547 TERA 351 NGE killed SWG. Get over it like the rest of us did in 2005.
gervaise1 Elite Member Joined: 1/17/07 Posts: 607	8/13/12 5:29:10 PM#580 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by tiefighter25 Feel free to call me a tin foil hat wearing tin foil chewing hater. Why did MMO-Junkies.net (what was supposed to measure SWTOR's success) abruptly shut down? Why does TOR Status (which doesn't count the dead servers in population trends) still count dead servers in the server overall change? Why do the dead servers keep universally rising in population (currently .02) the exact same ammount on each server every week if they are dead? Why is it on TOR-Status, it shows that since the mergers, the destination servers keep losing population, but SWTOR's x-fire numbers keep slightly rising? People keep asking who uses x-fire, perhaps Bioware does for one. Doing my share to keep up some flame free drama in an epic thread. MMO-Junkies or whatever - no traffic if it was supported by advertsing; no volunteers if it wasn't. Sites shutting down are a sign of declining interest. TOR status: no idea. However both TOR status and X-Fire are only "windows on the world"; both have told the same overall story even when one has been up and the other down. And XFire is under 1400 again despite the free-to-level 15. Maybe the 6 month subs have played to the last day and they are now expiring (may still be to early yet for them to drop out of they still play). mmorpg.com traffic down as well. Nobody really cares any more.