After the major debacle of 1.2 and the lackluster offerings of 1.3, I have made a decision. If nothing gets majorly broken by thr time 1.5 comes, I will come back to the game. My main issue continues to be the slow and anemic improvement of the game, so I figure, just on a hunch, that by patch 1.5 the game might deliver the game ob a level I would be happy with. If the game goes buy to play (like single player games are), I will cime back sooner. If the game goes F2P, I may not come back at all. I view F2P as a short-lived endeavor that gives games new life for a time, but kills the fun when they raise prices (see DDO Underdark, Champions Online, Age of Conan.) Anyway, thanks for reading my rambling post. My question is, are any of you taking a wait-and- see approach as well?

Originally posted by Souldrainer
After the major debacle of 1.2 and the lackluster offerings of 1.3, I have made a decision. If nothing gets majorly broken by thr time 1.5 comes, I will come back to the game. My main issue continues to be the slow and anemic improvement of the game, so I figure, just on a hunch, that by patch 1.5 the game might deliver the game ob a level I would be happy with. If the game goes buy to play (like single player games are), I will cime back sooner. If the game goes F2P, I may not come back at all. I view F2P as a short-lived endeavor that gives games new life for a time, but kills the fun when they raise prices (see DDO Underdark, Champions Online, Age of Conan.) Anyway, thanks for reading my rambling post. My question is, are any of you taking a wait-and- see approach as well?

Originally posted by Bardus

Originally posted by Souldrainer
After the major debacle of 1.2 and the lackluster offerings of 1.3, I have made a decision. If nothing gets majorly broken by thr time 1.5 comes, I will come back to the game. My main issue continues to be the slow and anemic improvement of the game, so I figure, just on a hunch, that by patch 1.5 the game might deliver the game ob a level I would be happy with. If the game goes buy to play (like single player games are), I will cime back sooner. If the game goes F2P, I may not come back at all. I view F2P as a short-lived endeavor that gives games new life for a time, but kills the fun when they raise prices (see DDO Underdark, Champions Online, Age of Conan.) Anyway, thanks for reading my rambling post. My question is, are any of you taking a wait-and- see approach as well?

For me, I think the very core of the game's design is broken beyond repair. Total lack of customer respect and broken promises on the few they have made, along with the game is just fundamentally bad gives me little to no hope. My wait and see approach is hoping they do the humane thing and put it out of it's misery and some other company that actually cares about it's products and customers pick up the IP and make a game deserving the name Star Wars.

Bardus you name it.  

i think the whole leading development staff is the problem, these people are to old for the todays game market, they want everything super optimized and balanced. No class must have anything special. I saw the leading developer in a interview, hes to old, he looked like above 40+ years old to me. No wonder SWTOR becomes more boring with every patch.

You know, rare cool spike DPS or spike Heals are fun and not overpowered its like a critical, critical. No reason to flatten everything out. All the numbers in Swtor are flat and cut , they call it balanced. 

These developers will continue to favor PvP whiners and loose more players day by day..........

As if there are no PvE players that never PvP that suffer from all the stupid PvP balance.

PvP balancing is a big reason many PvE people left. BioWares responsibles ignore that...

 

 

They can do what they want. SWTOR is a dead game allready.

It was fun for the four to five month I've played the game (4 chars at LvL 50 with a fully modded set of Rakata-gear), but that's where I leave it.

Implementing some sort of massive bg/world pvp zone that actually works , in other words completely rehauling PVP and actually having a Galactic War would have been the one thing that would have made me resub and play it.

Now with GW2 coming out at end of Aug I honestly think they should abandon trying to fix PVP at all and truly focus on story telling , pseudo single player with multi added etc aspects of the game as I don't think they will be able to hold any pvp players after that.

Shame too , but I don't see them actually pulling off what would be required to overhaul PVP. They need to focus on the one thing they did decent , even if its not my cup of tea.

I'll come back for 1.5 as well, because by then it will be F2P.

Come back now...the water's fine.

Originally posted by Souldrainer
After the major debacle of 1.2 and the lackluster offerings of 1.3, I have made a decision. If nothing gets majorly broken by thr time 1.5 comes, I will come back to the game. My main issue continues to be the slow and anemic improvement of the game, so I figure, just on a hunch, that by patch 1.5 the game might deliver the game ob a level I would be happy with. If the game goes buy to play (like single player games are), I will cime back sooner. If the game goes F2P, I may not come back at all. I view F2P as a short-lived endeavor that gives games new life for a time, but kills the fun when they raise prices (see DDO Underdark, Champions Online, Age of Conan.) Anyway, thanks for reading my rambling post. My question is, are any of you taking a wait-and- see approach as well?

I am taking a wait and see approach but in a different way. I am actually subbed right now and play a lot. I am waiting to see what direction the game goes. The small updates have been enough of an indication that BW is trying to get the things us players like in game. Right now there is no other game I am interested in enough to pull me away. I usually play a different game and return later to see if its any good but the market is really weak out there right now so I might as well stick it out. Its not a horrible game just needs some work.

Originally posted by Portland

Originally posted by Bardus

Originally posted by Souldrainer
After the major debacle of 1.2 and the lackluster offerings of 1.3, I have made a decision. If nothing gets majorly broken by thr time 1.5 comes, I will come back to the game. My main issue continues to be the slow and anemic improvement of the game, so I figure, just on a hunch, that by patch 1.5 the game might deliver the game ob a level I would be happy with. If the game goes buy to play (like single player games are), I will cime back sooner. If the game goes F2P, I may not come back at all. I view F2P as a short-lived endeavor that gives games new life for a time, but kills the fun when they raise prices (see DDO Underdark, Champions Online, Age of Conan.) Anyway, thanks for reading my rambling post. My question is, are any of you taking a wait-and- see approach as well?

For me, I think the very core of the game's design is broken beyond repair. Total lack of customer respect and broken promises on the few they have made, along with the game is just fundamentally bad gives me little to no hope. My wait and see approach is hoping they do the humane thing and put it out of it's misery and some other company that actually cares about it's products and customers pick up the IP and make a game deserving the name Star Wars.

Bardus you name it.  

i think the whole leading development staff is the problem, these people are to old for the todays game market, they want everything super optimized and balanced. No class must have anything special. I saw the leading developer in a interview, hes to old, he looked like above 40+ years old to me. No wonder SWTOR becomes more boring with every patch.

You know, rare cool spike DPS or spike Heals are fun and not overpowered its like a critical, critical. No reason to flatten everything out. All the numbers in Swtor are flat and cut , they call it balanced. 

These developers will continue to favor PvP whiners and loose more players day by day..........

As if there are no PvE players that never PvP that suffer from all the stupid PvP balance.

PvP balancing is a big reason many PvE people left. BioWares responsibles ignore that...

 

 

Considering he  is 3 years older than the average age of the MMO gamer, I kindly disagree with his age being the issue. The issue is his experience and him projecting that onto this project. Look at his work on Warhammer Online to get a taste.

Originally posted by Byne25

Originally posted by Souldrainer
After the major debacle of 1.2 and the lackluster offerings of 1.3, I have made a decision. If nothing gets majorly broken by thr time 1.5 comes, I will come back to the game. My main issue continues to be the slow and anemic improvement of the game, so I figure, just on a hunch, that by patch 1.5 the game might deliver the game ob a level I would be happy with. If the game goes buy to play (like single player games are), I will cime back sooner. If the game goes F2P, I may not come back at all. I view F2P as a short-lived endeavor that gives games new life for a time, but kills the fun when they raise prices (see DDO Underdark, Champions Online, Age of Conan.) Anyway, thanks for reading my rambling post. My question is, are any of you taking a wait-and- see approach as well?

I am taking a wait and see approach but in a different way. I am actually subbed right now and play a lot. I am waiting to see what direction the game goes. The small updates have been enough of an indication that BW is trying to get the things us players like in game. Right now there is no other game I am interested in enough to pull me away. I usually play a different game and return later to see if its any good but the market is really weak out there right now so I might as well stick it out. Its not a horrible game just needs some work.

They could've done those things before they even released. There was numerous betas and test sessions to get it done.

You know the horse isn't going to get up anymore, why beat it?

Originally posted by Bardus

Originally posted by Souldrainer
After the major debacle of 1.2 and the lackluster offerings of 1.3, I have made a decision. If nothing gets majorly broken by thr time 1.5 comes, I will come back to the game. My main issue continues to be the slow and anemic improvement of the game, so I figure, just on a hunch, that by patch 1.5 the game might deliver the game ob a level I would be happy with. If the game goes buy to play (like single player games are), I will cime back sooner. If the game goes F2P, I may not come back at all. I view F2P as a short-lived endeavor that gives games new life for a time, but kills the fun when they raise prices (see DDO Underdark, Champions Online, Age of Conan.) Anyway, thanks for reading my rambling post. My question is, are any of you taking a wait-and- see approach as well?

For me, I think the very core of the game's design is broken beyond repair. Total lack of customer respect and broken promises on the few they have made, along with the game is just fundamentally bad gives me little to no hope. My wait and see approach is hoping they do the humane thing and put it out of it's misery and some other company that actually cares about it's products and customers pick up the IP and make a game deserving the name Star Wars.

Regarding your signature....Repopulation is a SWG clone.

/chuckles

Originally posted by Dahkot72

Implementing some sort of massive bg/world pvp zone that actually works , in other words completely rehauling PVP and actually having a Galactic War would have been the one thing that would have made me resub and play it.

Now with GW2 coming out at end of Aug I honestly think they should abandon trying to fix PVP at all and truly focus on story telling , pseudo single player with multi added etc aspects of the game as I don't think they will be able to hold any pvp players after that.

Shame too , but I don't see them actually pulling off what would be required to overhaul PVP. They need to focus on the one thing they did decent , even if its not my cup of tea.

The hero engine simply can not handle this type of thing.  The engine is designed to make things look very pretty with a minimal number of players moving about on your screen.  Once the engine has to track 25-35 or more players at once.  It bogs down and you get Ilum.

The only way they could get a massive bg/world pvp in SWTOR would be to scrap the Hero engine and start new.  Which is impossible.

I'd return for F2P or B2P.  I have a feeling the only thing that will make me want to come back would be massively multiplayer space combat.  I figure at teh rate they are going we can expect it sometime in 2015.

I gave them 6 months, and so far they not showed me anything other than they are incompetent.

SWTOR is not worth a sub, and I refuse to pay them a sub, for yet another crappy star wars game, that is not even star wars like.  Whoever came up with most of the armor designs, and decided to use the hero engine should be shot.

 

It would take a lot to ever go back to that game,and the sad thing is, it would take simple changes to the game. I just do not know if they can make the changes I am talking about to make it feel more like Star Wars, for example:

1. Bounty Hunter mission, I don't mean player missions but simple missions you could do as a BH to bring the feel of being a Bounty Hunter into the game.

2. Better Space Combat, can they to a JTL type expansion I don't know but it would be nice.

3. I touched upon BH missions but I think it would be cool to do class missions as well, like a Jedi needs to go to a village and find the source of a illness taking the village, things like that.

4. More of an open world type feel to the game, everything felt so railed to your specific storyline but then it just ends with very little class interaction, maybe make harder type storyline quest that would require multiple classes to complete.

5. PvP, just needs a full re work with a clear direction, they just put Ilum on the back burner and never replaced it with anything, I am sure they could do something like the RvR lakes in WAR, that would make PvP fun, IMHO that is.

6. Make the cities actually part of the social experience, right now they are quest hubs and nothing else everyone hangs at the fleet.

These are just a few ideas whether or not they could ever or would ever want to implement these type of ideas is the big question. I guess I could go on and on I did not even touch crafting, but I think the horse has been beaten pretty hard.

Originally posted by Sameer1979

Originally posted by Bardus

Originally posted by Souldrainer
After the major debacle of 1.2 and the lackluster offerings of 1.3, I have made a decision. If nothing gets majorly broken by thr time 1.5 comes, I will come back to the game. My main issue continues to be the slow and anemic improvement of the game, so I figure, just on a hunch, that by patch 1.5 the game might deliver the game ob a level I would be happy with. If the game goes buy to play (like single player games are), I will cime back sooner. If the game goes F2P, I may not come back at all. I view F2P as a short-lived endeavor that gives games new life for a time, but kills the fun when they raise prices (see DDO Underdark, Champions Online, Age of Conan.) Anyway, thanks for reading my rambling post. My question is, are any of you taking a wait-and- see approach as well?

For me, I think the very core of the game's design is broken beyond repair. Total lack of customer respect and broken promises on the few they have made, along with the game is just fundamentally bad gives me little to no hope. My wait and see approach is hoping they do the humane thing and put it out of it's misery and some other company that actually cares about it's products and customers pick up the IP and make a game deserving the name Star Wars.

Regarding your signature....Repopulation is a SWG clone.

/chuckles

My signature? Clone? You not read what my sig says? It says "this is a clone free environment". Now if you will, click on my sig and do a little research and tell me where the cloning is. You'll find some simularities to SWG and that is on purpose but not a clone at all. Come back and reply to me when you find the cloning in case I need to rewrite my sig.

/chuckles? Like you think your insulting me bring up SWG. The very fact The Repopulation is bring back some sandbox has me doing /halleluyah.

It's dead Jim?

Doh! wrong game.

Just let SWTOR die. Going back and forth wishing for the ultimate Star Wars MMO just isn't going to happen. Maybe Lucasarts will give it to a more competent developer to get the job done or do the game themselves. I can wait another 5 or 6 years for something that's going to kick ass.

SWTOR is shaping up to look exactly like WarHammer online.

Originally posted by Portland

Originally posted by Bardus

Originally posted by Souldrainer
After the major debacle of 1.2 and the lackluster offerings of 1.3, I have made a decision. If nothing gets majorly broken by thr time 1.5 comes, I will come back to the game. My main issue continues to be the slow and anemic improvement of the game, so I figure, just on a hunch, that by patch 1.5 the game might deliver the game ob a level I would be happy with. If the game goes buy to play (like single player games are), I will cime back sooner. If the game goes F2P, I may not come back at all. I view F2P as a short-lived endeavor that gives games new life for a time, but kills the fun when they raise prices (see DDO Underdark, Champions Online, Age of Conan.) Anyway, thanks for reading my rambling post. My question is, are any of you taking a wait-and- see approach as well?

For me, I think the very core of the game's design is broken beyond repair. Total lack of customer respect and broken promises on the few they have made, along with the game is just fundamentally bad gives me little to no hope. My wait and see approach is hoping they do the humane thing and put it out of it's misery and some other company that actually cares about it's products and customers pick up the IP and make a game deserving the name Star Wars.

Bardus you name it.  

i think the whole leading development staff is the problem, these people are to old for the todays game market, they want everything super optimized and balanced. No class must have anything special. I saw the leading developer in a interview, hes to old, he looked like above 40+ years old to me. No wonder SWTOR becomes more boring with every patch.

You know, rare cool spike DPS or spike Heals are fun and not overpowered its like a critical, critical. No reason to flatten everything out. All the numbers in Swtor are flat and cut , they call it balanced. 

These developers will continue to favor PvP whiners and loose more players day by day..........

As if there are no PvE players that never PvP that suffer from all the stupid PvP balance.

PvP balancing is a big reason many PvE people left. BioWares responsibles ignore that...

 

 

So do you want some kid frsh out of Nerd school to develop a game that he would probably know nothing of the lore about?

Not meaning to be rude but you say he looked over 40 and is too old? O.o If anything i would think he is probably the perfect age to be developing and making a game that is based around a Story as old as he is, and besides that 40 too old, seriously (not 40 yet myself but geez really 40 is old???)