Originally posted by Trikke

In my humble opinion the problem with every MMO that has come out in the last 5 years is YOU. Whining about wow this or gw2 that. This is too hard. That is too simple. Im board. I want my milk and cookies. All of which I have also said and done in the past.

So instead I'm gonna pick a game I like (swtor) and follow it to what ever end.

 Some (like me) might argue that the problem is YOU, as in players who keep paying for a crappy game even though they know it's crappy. Puts no pressure on these devs and publishers to make better games if people just keep shelling out money for subpar betas.

nevermind

Originally posted by sindraod

Originally posted by Trikke

In my humble opinion the problem with every MMO that has come out in the last 5 years is YOU. Whining about wow this or gw2 that. This is too hard. That is too simple. Im board. I want my milk and cookies. All of which I have also said and done in the past.

So instead I'm gonna pick a game I like (swtor) and follow it to what ever end.

 Some (like me) might argue that the problem is YOU, as in players who keep paying for a crappy game even though they know it's crappy. Puts no pressure on these devs and publishers to make better games if people just keep shelling out money for subpar betas.

DUH! if someone is paying for something they like, to them it isn't crappy. Is it even possible to have a more egotistical post?

Originally posted by Trikke

In my humble opinion the problem with every MMO that has come out in the last 5 years is YOU.

I have to agree and disagree, all of the player are the problem since they keep whinning about wind change on a virtual world, right? who feels the wind from pixels?

But then again I have to disagree has well because I believe that in the past many years not one company came out with a good product/game, the games themself have only one purpose is to make the player happy instead of INTENDING to be a better game.

A good game can be what it is even with player/customer whinning. If the game is good that it can stand the whinning without losing it's head.

My guess is bad design is the cause of all that.

I believe that no game from the past 7 years INTENDED improvement, and that during all that time all the companies tried only to satisfy customers with flawed design.

So nobody would be to blame but the companies that keep asking to their customers : " please dear custome, we empower you to tell us what you want" yes tell us my masters" ..... and they would actually do nothing else but ask what can they do.

And turning round and round, trying to fix what cannot be fixed since the fundation of the problem is the game itself.

And yes the players are to blame since they keep bying those poor designed games ... so publisher keep milking the mad cows.

My hot fix :"stop buying stupid games, and if you do so, know that any whining cannot fix it, so please stop whinnig"

Originally posted by Trikke

Having played most of the mmo's that have been released in the last 10 years I have decieded to stick with swtor for the time being. Unless DAOC comes back from the dead. WOW stops playing with panda's and pokemon. Or Eve online brings back and finishes Incarna (IE walking in stations) It seems that there is no other reasonable choice but for me to stick with SWTOR.

Yes I have seen and read about all the doom and gloom. Server merger's, Layoffs, ect... and I don't really care.. I was there when the player base whined about claas imbalance, radar, speed hacks, and how noone liked the trials of atlantis that killed DAOC. I was there when  The SWG higher ups decieded to try to become more like wow.  I was there when goonswarm decieded to suicide gank anyone mining hi-sec ice fields. And most others whined about a 75$ monicle and not being able to spin you ship in a circle in your docking bay.

In my humble opinion the problem with every MMO that has come out in the last 5 years is YOU. Whining about wow this or gw2 that. This is too hard. That is too simple. Im board. I want my milk and cookies. All of which I have also said and done in the past.

So instead I'm gonna pick a game I like (swtor) and follow it to what ever end.

Good luck wasting your time in your mouse wheel then. I dont understand that you dont feel like your totaly wasting your time? What changes to the game world can you do in SWTOR? what political games can you play against other people? I only see you playing dressup games with your toon, putting on new shiny trinkets...

I personaly dont understand what the appeal is? at the end of the day after you loged 8+ hours you have not made one single significant change or affected any other living person but yourself? why waste money and time on that?

Originally posted by keithian

Originally posted by sindraod

Originally posted by Trikke

In my humble opinion the problem with every MMO that has come out in the last 5 years is YOU. Whining about wow this or gw2 that. This is too hard. That is too simple. Im board. I want my milk and cookies. All of which I have also said and done in the past.

So instead I'm gonna pick a game I like (swtor) and follow it to what ever end.

 Some (like me) might argue that the problem is YOU, as in players who keep paying for a crappy game even though they know it's crappy. Puts no pressure on these devs and publishers to make better games if people just keep shelling out money for subpar betas.

DUH! if someone is paying for something they like, to them it isn't crappy. Is it even possible to have a more egotistical post?

I agree. The level of absurdity in some of these responses is hilarious. Someone decides to take a break from the usual  hate and misery to post something positive and the usual suspects act like someone peed in their cereal. 

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by keithian

Originally posted by sindraod

Originally posted by Trikke

In my humble opinion the problem with every MMO that has come out in the last 5 years is YOU. Whining about wow this or gw2 that. This is too hard. That is too simple. Im board. I want my milk and cookies. All of which I have also said and done in the past.

So instead I'm gonna pick a game I like (swtor) and follow it to what ever end.

 Some (like me) might argue that the problem is YOU, as in players who keep paying for a crappy game even though they know it's crappy. Puts no pressure on these devs and publishers to make better games if people just keep shelling out money for subpar betas.

DUH! if someone is paying for something they like, to them it isn't crappy. Is it even possible to have a more egotistical post?

I agree. The level of absurdity in some of these responses is hilarious. Someone decides to take a break from the usual  hate and misery to post something positive and the usual suspects act like someone peed in their cereal. 

 Off-the-charts absurdity...

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by keithian

Originally posted by sindraod

Originally posted by Trikke

In my humble opinion the problem with every MMO that has come out in the last 5 years is YOU. Whining about wow this or gw2 that. This is too hard. That is too simple. Im board. I want my milk and cookies. All of which I have also said and done in the past.

So instead I'm gonna pick a game I like (swtor) and follow it to what ever end.

 Some (like me) might argue that the problem is YOU, as in players who keep paying for a crappy game even though they know it's crappy. Puts no pressure on these devs and publishers to make better games if people just keep shelling out money for subpar betas.

DUH! if someone is paying for something they like, to them it isn't crappy. Is it even possible to have a more egotistical post?

I agree. The level of absurdity in some of these responses is hilarious. Someone decides to take a break from the usual  hate and misery to post something positive and the usual suspects act like someone peed in their cereal. 

Something positive? Get yer head of the sand! If the line "the problem with every MMO that has come out in the last 5 years is YOU" wasn't intended to attract trolls from every moss-covered bridge from LOTR to WoW, I would be completely and utterly shocked.

I'm all for positivity and enjoying what you enjoy, but you don't need to pour gasoline on a thread in the very first post! At least save the fuel for page 3 or later!

Originally posted by Trikke

I havent participated in a beta sence warhamer. Beta's are for testing the game and geting honest feedback from the players.

Which is one of the reasons warhamer failed in my opinion. They decieded to listen to the fanboi's rather than listen to us who were screeming at them to fix the pvp b4 it was too late.

How bout instead of trying out the beta I continue to spam the hell out of SWTOR to make ILUM more like how DAOC open world pvp or maybe add a 2nd tier of persistent battle grounds to go along with the capture the flag style and hopeful soom rated wz ect..

How did WAR listen to the fanbois? I was shouting at them from the beginning to remove the scenarios because they were killing the game. A game based on RVR world pvp objectives has NO ROOM for a Scenario/BG system....It eneded up removing a majority of players from the Tiers and Keep battles so that you could grind RR in a more rapid fashion by queing up for random instanced Scenarios. 

actually the thing that killed WAR was the balance of classes thanks to Adam Gersowitz (now at Trion ) most players left WAR because one side dominated the other in open world pvp and scenarios were far from the problem with WAR. Open world RVR is still alive in WAR so not sure how you can say that killed war. Bugs and crap like stacking Bright wizards melting entire warbands is what did war in for majority of its player base.  If SWTOR actually did revamp illum and make it better there would be a lot of happy players. You cannot even base your information off this website here because about 90% of the posters here hate just about any game that releases. Its always junk or garbage etc but they never state the reasons why except its a themepark. Maybe people just need to realize that mmorpgs are not heading in the direction they want them to go and just move on.

^^ I also agree with your reasoning behind WAR's demise which is why I'm an avid fan of the 3 or more Faction PVP idea if you're going to have factions at all. 

Dont worry OP Im right there with ya. I plan to stick with SWTOR because its the MMO I enjoy the most and I have tried A LOT. Dont care what anyone thinks about it either.

As long as BioWare stays dedicated to improving the game and to adding new content, there's no reason not to stick with SW:TOR if it's your cup of tea.  My fear is that people will continue to leave and EA will force the game into maintenance mode like they did with Warhammer Online.

There is potential with SW:TOR, but it needs work.

Originally posted by Trikke

Having played most of the mmo's that have been released in the last 10 years I have decieded to stick with swtor for the time being. Unless DAOC comes back from the dead. WOW stops playing with panda's and pokemon. Or Eve online brings back and finishes Incarna (IE walking in stations) It seems that there is no other reasonable choice but for me to stick with SWTOR.

Yes I have seen and read about all the doom and gloom. Server merger's, Layoffs, ect... and I don't really care.. I was there when the player base whined about claas imbalance, radar, speed hacks, and how noone liked the trials of atlantis that killed DAOC. I was there when  The SWG higher ups decieded to try to become more like wow.  I was there when goonswarm decieded to suicide gank anyone mining hi-sec ice fields. And most others whined about a 75$ monicle and not being able to spin you ship in a circle in your docking bay.

In my humble opinion the problem with every MMO that has come out in the last 5 years is YOU. Whining about wow this or gw2 that. This is too hard. That is too simple. Im board. I want my milk and cookies. All of which I have also said and done in the past.

So instead I'm gonna pick a game I like (swtor) and follow it to what ever end.

Great post.

SWTOR is so great you made a post about how other games are not fun and that you dont care about people complaining...

Instead of talking about HOW SWTOR is good...speaks volumns...no wonder the game has been hemorrhaging players, those still there are only there because "enter game here" isnt around anymore and they have no choice but stay!

Originally posted by Trikke

Having played most of the mmo's that have been released in the last 10 years I have decieded to stick with swtor for the time being. Unless DAOC comes back from the dead. WOW stops playing with panda's and pokemon. Or Eve online brings back and finishes Incarna (IE walking in stations) It seems that there is no other reasonable choice but for me to stick with SWTOR.

Yes I have seen and read about all the doom and gloom. Server merger's, Layoffs, ect... and I don't really care.. I was there when the player base whined about claas imbalance, radar, speed hacks, and how noone liked the trials of atlantis that killed DAOC. I was there when  The SWG higher ups decieded to try to become more like wow.  I was there when goonswarm decieded to suicide gank anyone mining hi-sec ice fields. And most others whined about a 75$ monicle and not being able to spin you ship in a circle in your docking bay.

In my humble opinion the problem with every MMO that has come out in the last 5 years is YOU. Whining about wow this or gw2 that. This is too hard. That is too simple. Im board. I want my milk and cookies. All of which I have also said and done in the past.

So instead I'm gonna pick a game I like (swtor) and follow it to what ever end.

Um good for you? Glad you found a game you like. Personally I would rather go play with Kung Fu Pandas than play in a game world so devoid of any ambient life. Though I'm not playing any MMO right now because I dont care for any of them and I'm ok with that.

Grats OP, you should get a in game title for sticking with SWTOR.

Enjoy.

Originally posted by MMOGamer71

Grats OP, you should get a in game title for sticking with SWTOR.

 

Enjoy.

or perhaps a sticker :)

I can see why the Op or many would play SWTOR but i am more fussy and i NEED a very good combat design.That is where i find the fun in my game,of course i like al lthe other elelments,but combat is most important.

I like all the math and intricate stats and detailed formulas.SWTOR did not come close to acceptable comabt design.It is imo the most shallow i have played in geesh ,i  would be hard pressed to think of a lesser combat design.

The game did a few others things cheap that i could have easily looked past and enjoyed SWTOR if only they put even a tad bit of effort into combat.This is actually a compliment becuase many other games fail so badly in design that even the combat wouldn't get me to pay them,at least SWTOR did manage to get my attention.

I would like to ask the OP,it is VERY important.....

You know those speeches the devs give you about ,they wil l stick to funding the game and it wil l receive updates and all that?Well have they stuck to their word,or are they just letting the game slide on box sales?This is IMPORTANt because if the dev stays true and honors the subs that stick around,that is GREAT,but if not,then they do not deserve anyone's business.

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by MMOGamer71

Grats OP, you should get a in game title for sticking with SWTOR.

 

Enjoy.

or perhaps a sticker :)

Or two.