Originally posted by cutthecrap

@OP: I don't think you can count correctly

 

Man, this site is starting to get boring, topics are predictable, even haters (or 'critics') become repetitive and boringly lame, I guess they're bored out of their mind too.

Time to find other MMO and gaming sites with some more spark to it, only where? Hmm.

 

If you find one let me know so many hypocrits one here its kind of annoying. Plague to the gaming community, I'll say it before and I will say it again they dont make gamers like they used to this new breed they have no imagination to make things work have to be spoon fed everything. I just needed a joystick and 1 button and I was good to go. Now they need all this fluff to have fun instead of making there own fun in game and making it happen.

Online Sandbox games give players a world with resources, beasts and an environment to create their own content, society and gameplay.

Originally posted by rdrpappy

Online Sandbox games give players a world with resources, beasts and an environment to create their own content, society and gameplay.

GW2 to my knowledge does not let players build structures, set up or claim plots and maintain  harvesters, build societies or in any way change the game like a true sandbox.

 

Dynamic quests and pvp does not qualify it as a sandbox by any stretch of the imagination, or a hybrid.

Of course its not sandbox, even less holy "true sandbox". Cookie?

Its a hybrid, and if devs continue with their ideas it will be pretty good one.

If youre looking for holy "true sandbox", yah, you might skip it. Just as if you want holy "true themepark" (although whines already started on both end of spectrum, which is quite funny)

Wow did I read that right? People are saying GW2 is sandbox? LOL thanks for the laugh of the day.

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by nyxium

I see the server merges as just the beginning to block the financial blood cut wound from spurting out anymore. I would not be surprised if a F2P announcement is made in the near future to try and save more monetary leakage and to run as cheaply as possible to recover or gain some stability, as well as bring in more masses to populate the servers.

I predict two things, either:

-A) Dramatic shift towards F2P in 3 to 6 months for the entire game.

 

Or 

 

-B) Dramatic change of gameplay similar to SWG's NGE in order to shift in newer blood to the product to recover developement costs. 

 

 

Either way, I really don't see a return in SWTOR's subscriber base. They realized what the rest of us have been saying for months now. The problem is that it took them so long to realize it :(.

Guessing a F2P system along LotRo and DDO model and that will be tied with a "relaunch" that will make all light servers disappear magically.

Pretty sure we're going to see payed DLC along this

IMHO not a bad thing though as it would mean more players and more content: clicky

Originally posted by sirphobos

I know this forum needs to get their daily dose of hating SWTOR in, but let me provide some facts from someone who actually plays this game rather than just trolls forums:

Yes, there are far fewer servers than there was at launch.  However, last night there was also far more players on my new server (Prophecy of the Five) than there was on any single server at launch, approximately 500 people on the Republic Fleet and 900 people on the Imperial Fleet.  No single server came close to this at launch.  Obviously server caps are far higher than they were at launch.

With that being said, let the hating resume.

Yeah BW has stated that they were going to drasctically increase the cap on the servers...I don't think any actual amount was given but still 10 servers going into 1 does not mean 10% of the people playing because that one server could hold several times as many people.  Not to say there isn't a issue with people leaving just don't turn the numbers into something they are not.  With how much instanced material there is and BW not going to cross-server lfg tool creating less high pop "mega servers" is I believe a very good move on their part.

I do still believe however the gaming is headed for a slow death until it moves to f2p.

I knew this was going to happen, and I don't doubt it will happen with GW2 (unless it's a huge success, which I hope it is).  This has happened with every AAA mmo that has come out since WoW (that I've played).  

I think they need to figure out a way to have all players in one world without the need to make separate instances for zones.  Then again, launch day would be insanely over crowded.  

Originally posted by mikahr

Originally posted by rdrpappy

Online Sandbox games give players a world with resources, beasts and an environment to create their own content, society and gameplay.

GW2 to my knowledge does not let players build structures, set up or claim plots and maintain  harvesters, build societies or in any way change the game like a true sandbox.

 

Dynamic quests and pvp does not qualify it as a sandbox by any stretch of the imagination, or a hybrid.

Of course its not sandbox, even less holy "true sandbox". Cookie?

Its a hybrid, and if devs continue with their ideas it will be pretty good one.

If youre looking for holy "true sandbox", yah, you might skip it. Just as if you want holy "true themepark" (although whines already started on both end of spectrum, which is quite funny)

Please enlighten us on how GW2 is a "hybrid." 

30 servers is still alot considering how aweful the game is.

Originally posted by Charas

30 servers is still alot considering how aweful the game is.

Yes, but it's still better than the 25 servers SWG had for eight straight years, especially the first years when 250k subscribers were considered a global hit.

/sarcasm off

Originally posted by Ghost12

Of course its not sandbox, even less holy "true sandbox". Cookie?

Its a hybrid, and if devs continue with their ideas it will be pretty good one.

If youre looking for holy "true sandbox", yah, you might skip it. Just as if you want holy "true themepark" (although whines already started on both end of spectrum, which is quite funny)

 

Please enlighten us on how GW2 is a "hybrid." 

I know this game is the holy of holies right now but to call it a hybrid is quite a stretch.

Originally posted by GreenHell

Originally posted by Ghost12

Of course its not sandbox, even less holy "true sandbox". Cookie?

Its a hybrid, and if devs continue with their ideas it will be pretty good one.

If youre looking for holy "true sandbox", yah, you might skip it. Just as if you want holy "true themepark" (although whines already started on both end of spectrum, which is quite funny)

 

Please enlighten us on how GW2 is a "hybrid." 

I know this game is the holy of holies right now but to call it a hybrid is quite a stretch.

Besides a blanket assertion, you have what?

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

[updated title & post with accurate info]

I barely have words for this. I've never EVER seen a game launch with such large numbers only to go as far as reducing their total server count to a small fraction of its original count. 10 or 20 servers sure, but 100s?! 

 

 

Simply, wow...... O_o;

To be honest though my understanding is that games come out with these incredible number of servers as to avoid what happened to wow at launch but I think if they are going to use this practice they should be thinking more about what is going to happen to the player base as it changes not sure forcing people to move around and change names on such a large scale is a good idea.

They're using the term mega servers and yet each server just has the amount of players the game had at launch, think it's like a marketing ploy to mask how much the player base really has dropped.

Originally posted by Ghost12

Originally posted by mikahr

Originally posted by rdrpappy

Online Sandbox games give players a world with resources, beasts and an environment to create their own content, society and gameplay.

GW2 to my knowledge does not let players build structures, set up or claim plots and maintain  harvesters, build societies or in any way change the game like a true sandbox.

 

Dynamic quests and pvp does not qualify it as a sandbox by any stretch of the imagination, or a hybrid.

Of course its not sandbox, even less holy "true sandbox". Cookie?

Its a hybrid, and if devs continue with their ideas it will be pretty good one.

If youre looking for holy "true sandbox", yah, you might skip it. Just as if you want holy "true themepark" (although whines already started on both end of spectrum, which is quite funny)

 

Please enlighten us on how GW2 is a "hybrid." 

I second that.  I'd really like to hear a full explanation from mikahr..  not a further unsupported assertion.

Especially since he basically put down another guy (not quoted above) for not knowing the difference between Sandbox and Themepark... 

...because if GW2 is not a full themepark MMO, then I as well as several here need a good lesson.

(fyi..  I am following GW2, played in all the recent betas and am not playing any other MMO's atm.  So don't pass me or others off as 'not knowing about the game'.  I know about GW2 - I just don't know why you think it's a hybrid!)

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

[updated title & post with accurate info]

I barely have words for this. I've never EVER seen a game launch with such large numbers only to go as far as reducing their total server count to a small fraction of its original count. 10 or 20 servers sure, but 100s?! 

 

 

Simply, wow...... O_o;

I have, it's called Warhammer Online. It's also frightening how keen TOR is on re-tracing WAR's footsteps.

Originally posted by Tawn47

I second that.  I'd really like to hear a full explanation from mikahr..  not a further unsupported assertion.

Especially since he basically put down another guy (not quoted above) for not knowing the difference between Sandbox and Themepark... 

...because if GW2 is not a full themepark MMO, then I as well as several here need a good lesson.

 

(fyi..  I am following GW2, played in all the recent betas and am not playing any other MMO's atm.  So don't pass me or others off as 'not knowing about the game'.  I know about GW2 - I just don't know why you think it's a hybrid!)

This is not GW2 forums.

This is not topic about themepark vs. sandbox.

If i wanted to discuss GW2 i would do it where it belongs.

I already stated that whines started on both end of the spectrum and ill leave it at that.

Originally posted by GreenHell

Originally posted by Ghost12

Of course its not sandbox, even less holy "true sandbox". Cookie?

Its a hybrid, and if devs continue with their ideas it will be pretty good one.

If youre looking for holy "true sandbox", yah, you might skip it. Just as if you want holy "true themepark" (although whines already started on both end of spectrum, which is quite funny)

 

Please enlighten us on how GW2 is a "hybrid." 

I know this game is the holy of holies right now but to call it a hybrid is quite a stretch.

By definition a sandbox game is "a type of video game level design where a player can roam freely through a virtual world and is given considerable freedom in choosing how or when to approach objectives." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbox_game)

Due to the nature of how most content in the game (read: DEs) is structured, GW2 (and Skyrim for that matter) actually is a sandbox game by design.

I don't mean to hijack this thread, but there seems to be some misconception about terms floating around on these forums.

Not sure if I'll get in trouble for this, but.. damn it's funny..

'The Star Wars That I Used To Know" - Gotye 'Somebody That I Used To Know' Parody

Originally posted by mikahr

Originally posted by Tawn47

I second that.  I'd really like to hear a full explanation from mikahr..  not a further unsupported assertion.

Especially since he basically put down another guy (not quoted above) for not knowing the difference between Sandbox and Themepark... 

...because if GW2 is not a full themepark MMO, then I as well as several here need a good lesson.

 

(fyi..  I am following GW2, played in all the recent betas and am not playing any other MMO's atm.  So don't pass me or others off as 'not knowing about the game'.  I know about GW2 - I just don't know why you think it's a hybrid!)

This is not GW2 forums.

This is not topic about themepark vs. sandbox.

If i wanted to discuss GW2 i would do it where it belongs.

I already stated that whines started on both end of the spectrum and ill leave it at that.

Then link us to a full explanation...  whatever, just stop dodging the question.  Hell, put a new thread in the GW2 forum.