Originally posted by najob75

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by mbojan75

I dont play it, never did, but im wondering...

Wouldnt that be a better option for everybody?

 No, because many like me that are enjoying it don't touch cash shop games. I prefer a sub with all the options a game has to offer over a game that nickel and dimes me for every thing.The cheapskates will just have to deal with the fact that sub based games aren't going anywhere.

No cash shop is mentioned there. B2P doesnt need to include cash shop. GW1 didnt have one for a long time, and even now, i think its just vanity junk (didnt play it for fer years now though...).

If there's no cash shop then revenue dries up.  There's a reason GW1 switched to a cash shop, there revenues dried up.  There is a chart out there somewhere published for one of NCSOFT's financial quarters that showed how much revenue each online game was making, and Gw1 never did as well as their p2p games like lineage and lineage 2 (or at the time it was published City of Heroes/Villans).  And that game sold almost seven million copies across the 3 campaigns and xpac.  

Originally posted by mbojan75

I dont play it, never did, but im wondering...

Wouldnt that be a better option for everybody?

It would have been when they released the game, yes. Now most potential players already own the box so the income from box sales would be small.

I think they instead will go for the "freemium" model that LOTRO and EQ2 is using, the one where you still can pay monthly fees. That model is usually more expensive for the players that want full access than any other mo9del including the Korean F2p version.

A game either releases asB2por will never use the model. 

Originally posted by Moaky07

Originally posted by najob75

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by mbojan75

I dont play it, never did, but im wondering...

Wouldnt that be a better option for everybody?

 No, because many like me that are enjoying it don't touch cash shop games. I prefer a sub with all the options a game has to offer over a game that nickel and dimes me for every thing.The cheapskates will just have to deal with the fact that sub based games aren't going anywhere.

No cash shop is mentioned there. B2P doesnt need to include cash shop. GW1 didnt have one for a long time, and even now, i think its just vanity junk (didnt play it for fer years now though...).

GW2 is definitely P2W in the cash shop.

Knock off this shit, it's getting old.  Almost as old as your crusade against sandbox.

To answer the OP's question, yes it should have launched as B2P.  That still wouldn't have fixed the fact that the game was mismanaged and built on outdated mechanics, but players would have been more willing to stick with it.  Hell, i know I'd still hop on a few times a week if not for the sub.  I'm willing to support a game by purchasing cosmetic fluff if i see progress, but i am not willing to fork over another $15 in hopes of a miracle patch.

Originally posted by itgrowls

Originally posted by mbojan75

I dont play it, never did, but im wondering...

Wouldnt that be a better option for everybody?

Absolutely! but unfortunately i don't see them going in that direction. I know they will make an engine that will cut off content needed to level characters. cut off bag space and talents and even put in money caps just to make some money initially with each new person. Then they will offer the subscription as an option to unlock everything that every player needs essentially to level a toon to max.

It's the old lotro model minus the ability to earn points through gameplay. What will happen tho is there will be many many people who hate this model and won't play and won't be well received by the community.

 

Now if they did a GW2 B2P model that would be awesome. they give you pleanty of everything to start off with so you could actually play to the end without a hiccup with the number of slots of everything they give you just for buying the game. (at least they will for me.)

GW1 was the same way.   I had all the expansions.   i bought some extra inventory slots (which are less of a need in GW2 because of the way weapons work now plus extra tabs for collectibles, you don't need to store dyes, etc).  

I've played some other cash-shop games  including STO/LOTRO/DDO/EQ2 that you can sub too.   I've played them both ways.   Each is viable and you never really feel compelled.   Which allows me, because I don't feel forced, to buy more than when I feel 'forced' to buy to play beyond a highly rudimentary/semi-disabled way.   Though of the four, EQ2's cash shop/F2P model bothered me the most.   So I quit when I could see they were going more 'Perfect World' with their cash-shop/F2P model. 

Originally posted by Alders

Originally posted by Moaky07

Originally posted by najob75

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by mbojan75

I dont play it, never did, but im wondering...

Wouldnt that be a better option for everybody?

 No, because many like me that are enjoying it don't touch cash shop games. I prefer a sub with all the options a game has to offer over a game that nickel and dimes me for every thing.The cheapskates will just have to deal with the fact that sub based games aren't going anywhere.

No cash shop is mentioned there. B2P doesnt need to include cash shop. GW1 didnt have one for a long time, and even now, i think its just vanity junk (didnt play it for fer years now though...).

GW2 is definitely P2W in the cash shop.

 

Knock off this shit, it's getting old.  Almost as old as your crusade against sandbox.

To answer the OP's question, yes it should have launched as B2P.  That still wouldn't have fixed the fact that the game was mismanaged and built on outdated mechanics, but players would have been more willing to stick with it.  Hell, i know I'd still hop on a few times a week if not for the sub.  I'm willing to support a game by purchasing cosmetic fluff if i see progress, but i am not willing to fork over another $15 in hopes of a miracle patch.

That's where I am.   I'm waiting until July then I'll sub for a month and move my characters off Kathol Rift and play for a while until the tedium gets to me again.

I hate the game, but these are my characters and I poured a lot of work into them.  I'm not willing to just let them be deleted.

Originally posted by Moaky07

GW2 is definitely P2W in the cash shop. EVE is as well with their trading of PLEX.

 

I would prefer not to deal with that shit. As a matter of fact I wont.

 

I had no interest in playing another MMO. Would have much prefered  TOR to be SP. It wasnt made that way, and unless it gets down under 700 or 800k, it would seem silly to even entertain the F2P approach. Those arent WoW numbers, but they are "easily put your kids through college" numbers.

Have you played GW2?I'm guessing not since you seem to be on the hate train for GW2 without even trying it. Have you seen the item shop? Tell me one thing that you must HAVE in the shop to be able to play the game and compete. Nothing in the shop is absolutely necessary to play the game and anything in the shop you can buy with your ingame gold by trading gold for  gems. If you don't ever want to buy with real money you don't have to, but you can.

Probably should've just release a game like Guild Wars, with a persisent world instead. Split republic and empire into two games. They probably would've gotten even more box sales than they have currently.

Sub makes people wants to rush through a game as quickly as possible so they can save money and invest on the next game, before returning for content updates, not the most ideal for a story oriented game.

Whether some people don't like it nor not, the P2P model is on it's way out. B2P or Freemium is the way ahead and I personally welcome that. I have TSW on order but don't see it as anything more than a stop gap until GW2 is released. There's no way I'll pay a $15 per month sub for any game for any length of time, when I have so many cheaper alternatives available.