Because if it had flipped it d be a dolphin, not a game.

Originally posted by Icewhite

Originally posted by Karahandras

Flopped could also refer to people expectation, playing time and so on.

One of those cool Forum Buzzwords that people grab onto.  AoC is "failed".  Been failed for quite a long time, according to gamers.

Imagine Funcom gets a pretty good giggle about it every time they make a sizeable deposit, tho.

You can count the "failed" games pretty easily--every game since 2004.

Irritatingly (to gamers) they're almost all still around.

It's our definition of "success" that got warped by WoW's success the worst.

Originally posted by NagilumSadow

 

You don't seem to get the insight. By releasing that insulting "mmo," LA and Bio illistrated exactly what they thought of the general player.

 

The question remains: If you don't understand this presept what does that say? It isn't a question of "if"  TOR is a failure, It is in fact a failure. Not on any singular level but many.

That they can be cookedquick and easily for their money (thru box sales) because they won't stick around for long while at the same time there are actually MMO player who enjoy this (style of) game and now have a home for a good long while?

Well done BW/EA/LA! Where can I nominate them for customer's choice award of the year? :-P

Originally posted by Teala

Want to know the real reason SWTOR is not going to be the successful game it should have been?   Because it was not Star Wars.  It was a bad rip off of it - a clone of a clone.    They couldn't even get Jedi's right.   Bounty Hunter's as healers - instead of you know - being a Bounty Hunter?   Smugglers that don't smuggle anything?

Oh wait, that is right, it's all in "their" story.    Forgive me for wanting to create my "own" story in the Star Wars Universe.

 

Also...

When your music sounds like this...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxaazYPjjd4

instead of this...  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjMNNpIksaI  your game is not Star Wars.  

you mad bro?

The definitive answer is Hype: Peoples expectations did not meet what was grounded in reality.

Originally posted by Teala

Want to know the real reason SWTOR is not going to be the successful game it should have been?   Because it was not Star Wars.  It was a bad rip off of it - a clone of a clone.    They couldn't even get Jedi's right.   Bounty Hunter's as healers - instead of you know - being a Bounty Hunter?   Smugglers that don't smuggle anything?

Oh wait, that is right, it's all in "their" story.    Forgive me for wanting to create my "own" story in the Star Wars Universe.

 

I have to agree with you completely.. lol   It just isn't star wars, and it sure isn't MY story..  What we are doing is replaying a story already written by the devs.. I want to write my own biography, TYVM..  I really don't understand why TOR had to clone the same lame holy trinity that others clones have done..  Bounty Hunters that heal?  Really?  I'm so disappointed in the lack of creativity and not thinking outside the box..  It would of been great if Smugglers actually smuggled..  I would of enjoyed TOR more if they spun off in some direction of everyone self heals in a way similar to what GW2 is doing.. When Obi Wan and Qui Gon were fighting Darth Maul, I don't recall Obi saying, "you tank him Qui Gon and I'll keep you healed"...... Think about it..

Originally posted by Nitth

The definitive answer is Hype: Peoples expectations did not meet what was grounded in reality.

But what expectations? You see folks around here carrying on about SWG, and yet this game was never intended to be that.

Their attitude is pretty pathetic if ya ask me. I mean great, you dont like it, move the fuck on already. I enjoy PVE gaming, and bonus when it has story to it. Instead of getting to discuss the game though, this forum is trounced by the same individuals consistently.

This game has already kicked SWG's dick into the dirt, and things hopefully will be good going forward. The server consolidation should of been done long ago, and it is a good thing it is finally here. As a PVE gamer, I feel BW needs to keep making systems work better, and giving us new content like they have been since launch. If they wanna kick out new areas/planets a little faster, I wont lose sleep over it.

If they keep making the game better then I, and others like me, will continue to sub....much to the dismay of those that want their sandbox back. Which is the thing.....whether TOR does good/bad/inbetween, Owen is friggen crispy burnt. The PRECioUs is gone, and it isnt coming back.

Originally posted by Moaky07

Originally posted by Nitth

The definitive answer is Hype: Peoples expectations did not meet what was grounded in reality.

But what expectations? You see folks around here carrying on about SWG, and yet this game was never intended to be that.

 

Their attitude is pretty pathetic if ya ask me. I mean great, you dont like it, move the fuck on already. I enjoy PVE gaming, and bonus when it has story to it. Instead of getting to discuss the game though, this forum is trounced by the same individuals consistently.

 

This game has already kicked SWG's dick into the dirt, and things hopefully will be good going forward. The server consolidation should of been done long ago, and it is a good thing it is finally here. As a PVE gamer, I feel BW needs to keep making systems work better, and giving us new content like they have been since launch. If they wanna kick out new areas/planets a little faster, I wont lose sleep over it.

 

If they keep making the game better then I, and others like me, will continue to sub....much to the dismay of those that want their sandbox back. Which is the thing.....whether TOR does good/bad/inbetween, Owen is friggen crispy burnt. The PRECioUs is gone, and it isnt coming back.

You have 8 years to go before making that claim.

-Just saying

1. It's not Star Wars.

Basically it failed because you do not feel part of the Star Wars universe the game was made for you to level then go and level alts and that was their main focus the story from doing alts will keep people playing they were wrong people want to attach themselves to a character and feel as if it is an extension of themselves and this game does not offer that.

Originally posted by nilden

1. It's not Star Wars.

Raid heroics, battlegrounds, purple epics, bounty hunters who heal, dailies, etc, etc. It's WoW with lightsabers done poorly. The worst part is it looks like they are going to do the same thing to the Elder Scrolls.

This is the reason exactly. Why the OP didn't list this as an option is beyond me. Unfortunately, the fact that it is going F2P means BW will never make the major changes the game needs so it will remain forever dead in the water to me.

Originally posted by Czanrei

Originally posted by nilden

1. It's not Star Wars.

Raid heroics, battlegrounds, purple epics, bounty hunters who heal, dailies, etc, etc. It's WoW with lightsabers done poorly. The worst part is it looks like they are going to do the same thing to the Elder Scrolls.

This is the reason exactly. Why the OP didn't list this as an option is beyond me. Unfortunately, the fact that it is going F2P means BW will never make the major changes the game needs so it will remain forever dead in the water to me.

this is what did it for me... as a huge star wars fan I really don't see how people who call themselves star wars fans can really love this game.. game just has no "star wars" feel to it and it's a core gameplay issue and how everything was brought together. Really nothing they can do to fix this game.

Originally posted by nilden

1. It's not Star Wars.

Raid heroics, battlegrounds, purple epics, bounty hunters who heal, dailies, etc, etc. It's WoW with lightsabers done poorly. The worst part is it looks like they are going to do the same thing to the Elder Scrolls.

Exactly.

Whats really sad is the legion of fanbots that buy into this drack and keep it "popular"

I felt very detached from the whole storyline, a real shame as I was enjoying the initial gameplay sessions until about lvl 30.

I heartily believe still, that the main reason it flopped is because of the PVP and class imbalance.

nothing to do in game beside the linear, boring story quest for each class

nothing was dynamic about the game and there was no sandbox to the game

game was empty and dead and did not feel like an online world at all it felt like a cheap online game

had one the worst endgames I have ever saw in an suppose mmo.... and the pvp was repeative and boring and unbalanced

Originally posted by PyrateLV

Originally posted by nilden

1. It's not Star Wars.

Raid heroics, battlegrounds, purple epics, bounty hunters who heal, dailies, etc, etc. It's WoW with lightsabers done poorly. The worst part is it looks like they are going to do the same thing to the Elder Scrolls.

Exactly.

 

Whats really sad is the legion of fanbots that buy into this drack and keep it "popular"

So folks shouldnt play what they enjoy?

Shaking my fucking head.

The experience one gets from playing TOR is a hell of a lot closer to the OT than Uncle Owen wars. Better yet, it actually has a ton of PVE content to complete, rather than regrinding profs as a makeshift "content" supplement.

PVE is popular in MMOs, and after seeing EQ run away with the sub title, Kostor should of had a clue, and included a fair share in SWG. He didnt, SWG failed, move the fuck on.

The reason I don't play ToR has nothing to do with SWG. They are meant to be entirely different games. For me the bottom line was that ToR just wasn't a great game and when compared to my alternatives just lost out for my money. It's a shame that such a great IP has not made for a great MMO.

Originally posted by Rydeson

Originally posted by Teala

Want to know the real reason SWTOR is not going to be the successful game it should have been?   Because it was not Star Wars.  It was a bad rip off of it - a clone of a clone.    They couldn't even get Jedi's right.   Bounty Hunter's as healers - instead of you know - being a Bounty Hunter?   Smugglers that don't smuggle anything?

Oh wait, that is right, it's all in "their" story.    Forgive me for wanting to create my "own" story in the Star Wars Universe.

 

 

I have to agree with you completely.. lol   It just isn't star wars, and it sure isn't MY story..  What we are doing is replaying a story already written by the devs.. I want to write my own biography, TYVM..  I really don't understand why TOR had to clone the same lame holy trinity that others clones have done..  Bounty Hunters that heal?  Really?  I'm so disappointed in the lack of creativity and not thinking outside the box..  It would of been great if Smugglers actually smuggled..  I would of enjoyed TOR more if they spun off in some direction of everyone self heals in a way similar to what GW2 is doing.. When Obi Wan and Qui Gon were fighting Darth Maul, I don't recall Obi saying, "you tank him Qui Gon and I'll keep you healed"...... Think about it..

I have already posted many of the same points of view much earlier in this thread. Bioware used their writers to generate our story lines, which could have been a good thing if the game allowed you to follow in the footsteps of those stories and become your character. Sadly they dropped the story abruptly and tried to maintain this illusion that these classes would all be working together in raid and pvp content.

There seems to be a glossed over understanding of the different classes of the Star Wars universe. I did not expect a Clone Wars type of atomsphere, but I certainly expected a more epic scale of the conflict between the Republic, the Imperials, and the various races and whatnot in between be it trade route blockades or Hutt Cartel minions. Conflict should have been around every corner not measured out in War Zone doses and snipets of story.

My main character's story line was interresting for certain, but it was entirely based around confliict with other Sith. If the writers had left out the word Republic here and there, I would never have even known they existed in the game. They were like the girls camp on the other side of the lake, only way to get there is by boat but we didn't have a boat good enough to get there.

Originally posted by observer

Originally posted by Eletheryl

Originally posted by slickbizzle

SWTOR flopped?  Haven't they sold over 4 million copies of the game?   

Yep, but any P2P MMO who had sold more than 2.5 mill of copies and is called swtor, is a fail from a mmorpg.com community point of view. 

It's a fail when the major hub of activity has less than 20 people on it, across the majority of servers.

It's a fail when there is only 1 or 2 Heavy populated servers, and the rest are Very Light.

It's a fail when they are struggling to even keep a 1/4th of their playerbase from the magical 1.2 million sub number.

1) Major Hub? As I log in on my Server. Sith Side Peak time has 250 players. Republic Side fleet has 215 players.

2) All MMOS have low population servers. At launch all servers were full. They just created too many servers because ppl were QQing that they needed more servers. Now ppl are complaining there are too many servers. Cant please gamers these days.

3) Yea thats a made up number. They are not struggling. Even if that number were true, That would mean they have 500,000 subs. For comparison, EvE online has 350,000 subs, and is currently a raging success, and has been for years the second most subbed MMO behind WoW. Before SWTOR released obviously.