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Star Wars: The Old Republic Forum » General Discussion » Is it EA? or BW?
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4/13/12 2:35:04 PM#41
Originally posted by grimal I'm sorry , I'm gong by official reports, not their current spin. Officially they announced the game privately in 2008. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Old_Republic#Development My bet is , in 2005 they may have began investigating design work, but the actual design and licensing was not complete until just before this announcement. EA still held key Star wars licensing and thus would have made it impossible to do seriously work on the game before negotations. By the way, you do your research. I like to read unbiased press articles, not PR documents.
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4/13/12 2:40:05 PM#42
Originally posted by Vidir blame the victim. You want to throw away your money developing something stupid, go ahead. |
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Hrica
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Joined: 3/31/05
"Yesterday is history, Tomorrow a mystery, and today is a gift" |
4/13/12 2:40:13 PM#43
every developer that EA vaccums up with the promise of $$ dies
Just look at what used to be mythic & Origin |
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4/13/12 2:41:16 PM#44
Originally posted by ignore_me There isn't any victim. The OP question is setup question like do you still beat your wife.
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4/13/12 2:43:28 PM#45
Originally posted by waynejr2 so your stance is what? Nothing to see here? You want to throw away your money developing something stupid, go ahead. |
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Vesavius
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Joined: 3/08/04
Players come for the game, but they stay for the people- Most Devs have forgotten this. |
4/13/12 2:45:42 PM#46
EA and BW are now the same thing. This romantic attempt at seperating them in order to preserve some of the emotional attachment many have to the BW brand is nonsense. If you dislike EA you now should dislike BW. |
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Vesavius
Old School
Joined: 3/08/04
Players come for the game, but they stay for the people- Most Devs have forgotten this. |
4/13/12 2:46:16 PM#47
Originally posted by Hrica
Bullfrog :( |
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4/13/12 2:48:50 PM#48
Originally posted by dontadow Umm, since when is wikipedia an "Official Report". LOL. This gets funnier and funnier... Release a game with a very large established fanbase from 10+ years of bnet history when the market was still emerging and the casual base had not yet been established, thus ripe for harvesting a momentious self perpetuating playerbase people never leave because they have X hours invested in their characters, and their friends and everyone else plays anyway. Not discounting Blizzard quality... but WoW's success is as much about perfect timing as it is quality, if not more so. - Derros |
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4/13/12 2:51:03 PM#49
Originally posted by grimal Not only that, but look at this quote from the page:
An October 2008 preview noted some of the 12 full-time writers had been working on The Old Republic for more than two years at that point.[17] SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever! |
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4/13/12 3:07:29 PM#50
Originally posted by dontadow Yeah, he clearly does not have a clue what he's talking about. Release a game with a very large established fanbase from 10+ years of bnet history when the market was still emerging and the casual base had not yet been established, thus ripe for harvesting a momentious self perpetuating playerbase people never leave because they have X hours invested in their characters, and their friends and everyone else plays anyway. Not discounting Blizzard quality... but WoW's success is as much about perfect timing as it is quality, if not more so. - Derros |
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The1ceQueen
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Joined: 1/02/08
"Always borrow money from a pessimist. They won't expect it back." |
4/13/12 3:13:23 PM#51
Originally posted by fenistil ^^This^^
BW are EA and they're big boys with big egos. They are accountable for SWTOR messups. Including the ones today on the 13th of April, they keep proving over and over that they are amateurs with mmos and haven't a clue how to keep one successful. Check the subs in August, it will be similar to Warhammer. BW have such big egos, they won't even merge all the dead servers. After the past 2 days messups get ready for the servers to be even more empty than before. When a game is less than 6 months old and have to start givng out free trials and free 30 days for messups, you know it's not going well. The game had potential in beta, but the devs unfortunately ignored testers opinons and feedback. They deserve to have their egos knocked to the shins as they are getting happen atm.
What happens when you log off your characters????..... |
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4/13/12 4:03:50 PM#52
Originally posted by grimal Wow, I actually was hoping you could do enoug hreserach to just go to the source which below. Many wiki articles actually do a great job of citing the source of the information. But, hey, I expect that level of research from someone who depends on the press release of the company to prove their point. By the way, the first article actually has some good quots about how bioware wanted to wait until the right partner to get going on SWTOR production, this partner being EA. So you can safely bet that the game truly be4gan design at the beginning of the negotations.
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4/13/12 4:05:03 PM#53
Originally posted by colddog04 YEs, but GAME development did not begin until shortly before hand, also quoted. Writing a story is not game development. It's not creating the parts. |
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4/13/12 4:11:54 PM#54
Originally posted by olepi I think it's a perfect storm: Bioware was a company that had strengths in single-character linear storytelling, and not much else (the programming and designs of everything from Kotor to Mass Effect are in fact pretty simple); EA is not a games development company but a marketing agency that buys development companies and, by insisting they meet marketing rather than development goals, tends to destroy those companies before moving on to acquire the next company. So we get an inexperienced development house answering to a company that's not interested in development. Now what kind of game do you think that kind of partnership is going to produce, huh? |
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4/13/12 4:19:22 PM#55
From reading the forums over there today and a few weeks ago, you have to wonder why they would nerf healing in a time when the game is suffering subscription retainment.I knew it was PVP based before I even read the patch notes.
At some point you have to wonder what these guys are doing? I'm sure they're more compotent then I will ever be and better educated. but common sense sometimes trumps brilliant designers even if they have no concept of human nature.
have you guys seen those forums the last 4 months? at some point you gotta break down your ego and start putting a plan together before you make a run for the choppers and start nerfing the game right out of the gate due to whiners in PVP.
But the divide between those two playstyles has already started.the community which is void or small to mid sized on many servers is pretty sad for a dev company which directly said they don't want to re-invent the wheel. sad part is many spokes are missing due to pushing for a holiday release. right now it seems legacy is something that was supposed to be included at release. it was also something that needed to be tested longer which is why i think we see this morning patch1.2a troubles. Stuffs blowing up over there and they can blame not finshing beta....which seems to be a curse for the last SW MMO as well. |
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4/13/12 5:40:38 PM#56
EA's $$$ is amplifying BW's ineptitude ___________________________ |
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Alders
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Joined: 1/28/10
I cannot fiddle but I can make a great state of a small city. |
4/13/12 5:46:22 PM#57
Originally posted by jeremyjodes
It's because they don't understand their own game or how people play it. Healing was never the problem. The problem was that classes that could heal also had too much utility and too much damage. In a game where PVP gear trumps all, classes that can heal, do damage, and have CC are far better than everything else. It's why everyone either rolled or rerolled a Sorc before i quit. |
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Karahandras
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Joined: 8/11/08
All it takes for evil to succeed is for the good to stand by and do nothing |
4/13/12 6:00:32 PM#58
Originally posted by Vesavius +1 |
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4/13/12 6:40:17 PM#59
EA care about making there big pile of cash then once they've sucked the game dry of all it's worth they abandon it and move onto the next thing. They ruined SWTOR by bossing the devs around by cutting out anything that might delay the release that EA pushed back for Christmas when they can make all there cash
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4/13/12 8:17:19 PM#60
Theres no more BW. Just EA. R.I.P. BW, ill still sometimes play BG |
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