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Mortal Online Forum » General Discussion » The least flawed: DF:UW v MO

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OP  2/10/13 10:39:26 PM#1

I'm not totally sure which forum I should put this in, because I want to hear from people who have played both the Darkfall:Unholy Wars beta and Mortal Online (which is kind of a beta as well, to be honest). Saying those things, I'm not here to bag on MO. I have a lot of love for the aspirations of this game and I have purchased 3 accounts. I also have 4 DFO accounts and pre-purchased DFUW for one of them.

 

What I want to know, without asking anyone to break the DFUW NDA, is if you have played both MO (since Awakening) and the DFUW beta, which one do you think is better? And because I know any thread posted like this will draw people who are down on both games, which is the least flawed?

 

Edit: I changed the title of the thread to make it clear I'm not asking aboot all indie games, but just these two, as they are even though one is in beta and one has been released for some time. You could argue they are very different if you want to, or you can say they are the only current choices for ffa full-loot pvp with an avatar that's not a spaceship.

 

 

Which is better (or least crappy)?

Mortal Online (post Awakening)
Darkfall: Unholy Wars (1/2013 beta)
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  deathshroud

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2/11/13 12:03:12 AM#2
i have both and they are very different games, i think dfuw is still under nda however so im not going to comment on them. Just waiting for DFUW to release im tired of the beta.

there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.

  Jacxolope

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2/11/13 12:05:33 AM#3

-That is kind of like asking which you enjoy better, Having a Wisdom tooth pulled or having a fractured ankle.

I voted DF (not breaking any NDA either) because although both extremley flawed in ways I am not at liberty to explain I will say its far less buggy, runs better, looks better and works better than MO- AND hasnt been released for 2+ years.

That said, neither is really a sandbox, neither is anything like UO and both seem (to me-) to be arena deathmatch games in a persistent World.

Having tried both (and not going to continue playing either) I would without doubt say that DFUW is the better game...But that isnt really saying much.

  Hodo

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2/11/13 10:13:06 AM#4

Definately not a fair comparison. 

 

Its like comparing a new car to a 2 year old car with several recalls and 30k miles on it.  

 

Of course the new car is going to be better, because its NEW!   Mortal Online is not a new game and couldnt be compared to DFOUW.    Just pointing out the obvious.

So much crap, so little quality.

  Thane

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2/11/13 10:15:40 AM#5

just to answer the topic (totaly ignoring your question tho... hehe):

 

the least flawed indie game must be minecraft i guess :P

"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"

  Jacxolope

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2/11/13 10:22:15 AM#6
Originally posted by Hodo

Definately not a fair comparison. 

 

Its like comparing a new car to a 2 year old car with several recalls and 30k miles on it.  

 

Of course the new car is going to be better, because its NEW!   Mortal Online is not a new game and couldnt be compared to DFOUW.    Just pointing out the obvious.

?

In an MMO it is exactly the opposite. A game which is "new" (still in beta) should have more bugs, less features and far less time to have ironed out the kinks.

After the amount of years (2-3?) MO has been out, I was amazed at the sheer amount of bugs and unfinished "thrown together" look and feel of the game.

Now, many people probably do have a disposition to possibly be "burned out" on MO, or be a fanboy one way or the other (like a hardcore DF supporter or MO supporter who votes based on that alone) but myself, I think both games suck...But judging which game sucked worse was fairly easy and it was MO.

I also only played MO for about a Month (same as DFUW) so granted there was alot I didnt see- My Judgement was based on what I did see as a new playedr in both games.

I will give DF another chance after Beta- MO? Hell no. If basic bugs (like my things dissapearing from my bag) are there for so long after release and the customer Service HORRIBLE and server downtime like nothing I have ever seen (to the point they continue to delete the server status thread so there isnt a record of how much downtime there is..) after 2 years- And a beta game (DF in thuis case) looks and plays so much better- Well....

  Burntvet

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2/11/13 10:28:18 AM#7
Originally posted by Jacxolope

-That is kind of like asking which you enjoy better, Having a Wisdom tooth pulled or having a fractured ankle.

I voted DF (not breaking any NDA either) because although both extremley flawed in ways I am not at liberty to explain I will say its far less buggy, runs better, looks better and works better than MO- AND hasnt been released for 2+ years.

That said, neither is really a sandbox, neither is anything like UO and both seem (to me-) to be arena deathmatch games in a persistent World.

Having tried both (and not going to continue playing either) I would without doubt say that DFUW is the better game...But that isnt really saying much.

 

I agree with this... it is like asking which is a better kind of cancer. Neither game is currently "up to snuff" for a releasable MMO. Both have serious, serious issues.
  Toferio

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2/11/13 12:42:27 PM#8
Never include "show results" in a poll, that's a sure way to make it useless :P
  Hodo

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2/12/13 8:51:54 AM#9
Originally posted by Jacxolope
Originally posted by Hodo

Definately not a fair comparison. 

 

Its like comparing a new car to a 2 year old car with several recalls and 30k miles on it.  

 

Of course the new car is going to be better, because its NEW!   Mortal Online is not a new game and couldnt be compared to DFOUW.    Just pointing out the obvious.

?

In an MMO it is exactly the opposite. A game which is "new" (still in beta) should have more bugs, less features and far less time to have ironed out the kinks.

After the amount of years (2-3?) MO has been out, I was amazed at the sheer amount of bugs and unfinished "thrown together" look and feel of the game.

Now, many people probably do have a disposition to possibly be "burned out" on MO, or be a fanboy one way or the other (like a hardcore DF supporter or MO supporter who votes based on that alone) but myself, I think both games suck...But judging which game sucked worse was fairly easy and it was MO.

I also only played MO for about a Month (same as DFUW) so granted there was alot I didnt see- My Judgement was based on what I did see as a new playedr in both games.

I will give DF another chance after Beta- MO? Hell no. If basic bugs (like my things dissapearing from my bag) are there for so long after release and the customer Service HORRIBLE and server downtime like nothing I have ever seen (to the point they continue to delete the server status thread so there isnt a record of how much downtime there is..) after 2 years- And a beta game (DF in thuis case) looks and plays so much better- Well....

I am no fanboy, or even a fan of MO, I think the game was a good concept but like WWIIOL developed by adults who have a hard time figuring out the difference between on and off.    MO is an old game, and a first real attempt at a MMO by SV.   DFUW is the second game by that developer, and they have learned from the first game so naturally its going to have less bugs.     One game has several years of bad press, and poor ratings.    The other is new and doesnt have much on it yet.   

So much crap, so little quality.

  Toferio

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2/12/13 8:58:16 AM#10
Might want to give DFU a chance to release before asking.
  Snoepie

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2/12/13 9:08:34 AM#11

Poll is not really usefull

 

if you put the orginal darkfall there is fine tho.. ill vote for that then..

 

Mortal online on the other hand had alot of time to get rid of the buggs and so forth.. which are still ingame.. this is kinda mindblowing for me..

 

To me darkfall died with the upcoming unholy wars.. and ive been playing darkfall for 4 years.. but this unholy wars just simple makes me sick.

 

they destroyed the one and only good thing of darkfall online.. which is the competetive gameplay..

 

Ohh well i guess its time for something new tho.. the repopulation seems good start.. if they can deliver..

  ShakyMo

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2/12/13 9:10:05 AM#12
Err.

EVE & DAOC
  argirop

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2/12/13 10:03:12 AM#13
Originally posted by Hodo

Definately not a fair comparison. 

 

Its like comparing a new car to a 2 year old car with several recalls and 30k miles on it.  

 

Of course the new car is going to be better, because its NEW!   Mortal Online is not a new game and couldnt be compared to DFOUW.    Just pointing out the obvious.

I would say its like comparing a crappy car to a non working car. OP the two games are totally different so you ask for a comparison between two different things. Regarding quality DF even though its messy (still in Beta) its way more polished, complete game than MO which is released for almost 3 years and it feels like an alpha.

  Jacxolope

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2/12/13 10:09:44 AM#14
Originally posted by argirop
Originally posted by Hodo

Definately not a fair comparison. 

 

Its like comparing a new car to a 2 year old car with several recalls and 30k miles on it.  

 

Of course the new car is going to be better, because its NEW!   Mortal Online is not a new game and couldnt be compared to DFOUW.    Just pointing out the obvious.

I would say its like comparing a crappy car to a non working car. OP the two games are totally different so you ask for a comparison between two different things. Regarding quality DF even though its messy (still in Beta) its way more polished, complete game than MO which is released for almost 3 years and it feels like an alpha.

-Thats how I based my vote- On how "polished and buggy" since I have not spent much time with either game.

I really cannot understand how MO has the amounts of bugs and just...feels "thrown together" vs darkfall (being a beta) looking a whole lot better- Although I really didnt like either game, thats just me I guess...

Someone did make an interesting point which i had never thought of. I never played the old DF so I guess a  "revamp" would have less bugs I think...

Hell, I dont know. darkfall is not nearly as entertaining to read about- That's for sure.

  Crunchy222

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2/19/13 9:30:20 PM#15

Hmm which is less flawed...mmorpg launched in 2010 or one that is in beta ( a real beta )

Im still going to vote for darkfall given its under NDA and still in beta...knowing that AV works at a total snails pace, unholy wars should zip past MO's state within a month or tow of launch.

 

Comparing MO to DF 1.0...1.0 was far better by a long shot.  Problem was MO always had the better game on paper, with DF 1.0 lacking a lot of depth.  However gameplay in 1.0 (and unholy wars) is lightyears ahead of MO's clunky combat and boring mechanics.  And you dont have to reroll if you chop too many trees in DF still...which is a huge advantage.  I HATE rolling alts to do different tasks.

 

Hey since were on this might as well try to win a poll by asking if MO is less flawed than Embers of Caerus.  Or how about Earthrise...that should be an easy win for MO.  Maybe Xyson...however i think they are kind of on par.  Dawntide might work as a good easy win for MO...seeing as dawntide did have worse combat, and is dead.

 

 

 

 

  archeageking

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2/19/13 10:01:32 PM#16

Arche Age Is a $50 million dollar sandbox that will trump all other sandbox games.

O and AA uses cryengine 3. what does darkfall and mortal online use anyway?

:p

My prediction for this year 2013 is the year of AA in terms of polished sandbox game.

  aRtFuLThinG

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2/19/13 10:21:15 PM#17
Originally posted by PWN_FACE

The least flawed indie game

 I don't know what answer you are fishing (though I have a fair idea)

But one thing is for sure - it NEVER WILL, and NEVER WILL BE, Mortals Online lol.

Hell MO is damn near close to the MOST FLAWED indie game of all time :P

 

You poll is useless.

 

And finally, to answer your original question - it is Minecraft.

:)

  Crunchy222

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2/20/13 8:05:49 PM#18
Originally posted by archeageking

Arche Age Is a $50 million dollar sandbox that will trump all other sandbox games.

O and AA uses cryengine 3. what does darkfall and mortal online use anyway?

:p

My prediction for this year 2013 is the year of AA in terms of polished sandbox game.

Yeah if you enjoy linear "on rails" quest hubbing AA will be for you.

Not sure why people today call any game with crafting and player housing a sandbox.

Also, not any of the developer inteviews ive seen had a single developer claiming sandbox.

 

I think AA will be a fine game, but its no sandbox, no full loot, instanced sieges...its not going to be anything more than another overhyped game imo...i mean ill give it a try simply for the pirate/clan warfare...not sure if ill be able to get though korean style quest hubs though...that ususally doesnt last long for me.

 

Nice advertisement btw.

  deathshroud

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2/21/13 12:23:12 AM#19

most are saying AA is a theme park, albiet a very well crafted one with some sandbox elements to flesh it out but anyone expecting a full blown sandbox would be disappointed. no idea how true that is but it seems believable

 

i know a few of my guild tried the game, both gigamo and koli maybe others, they havent really talked about it since with any sort of enthusiasm so not sure if its as good as they hoped.

there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.

  Toferio

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2/21/13 1:26:55 AM#20
Originally posted by deathshroud

most are saying AA is a theme park, albiet a very well crafted one with some sandbox elements to flesh it out but anyone expecting a full blown sandbox would be disappointed. no idea how true that is but it seems believable

To be honest Id prefer a title that combines best features from both sandbox and themeparks but avoids labeling itself as either. Im getting tired of either casual rides or hardcore buggy crap.

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