Any one can tell me, why Diphrael was banned?

Originally posted by Norpan

Originally posted by SHOE788

Originally posted by Norpan

Originally posted by Toferio

Originally posted by Norpan

Originally posted by Hancakes

Originally posted by Filterheadz

there are on average about 10k bots online in ddiablo 3 and more then 5k people using 3'rd party scrips and applications and i have seen 0 bans so far ...  and we are talking about blizzard!

 

Theres a world of difference between dupes in a full loot pvp game with a player driven economy ( lol in theory) and botting/macroing in a theme park .

 

Is there? People still get advantages in D3 for doing it. How can duping in any type of game be good? Thing is Blizzard has the money and manpower to really put their foot down on the exploiters, but so far haven't. SV are doing the best they can with what they have. Now how can that be a bad thing?

I don't think he said duping was "good" in any game, but that it affected players experience less in D3 than in MO, as MO is all about open world PvP, player economy and territory control, not to forget full loot while D3 is a heavy PvE game. Mobs don't qq on forums after getting ganked.

I dunno if PVP is in D3 yet, since I don´t play it, but Blizzard said early on that there would be PVP in D3, so it sure ain´t only gonna be used in PVE. And as I said, Blizzard has the resources to do something about it but they don´t. SV have poor resources as we all know, but they at least try to do something about it. How this can ever be considered bad is beyond me. And dupes is going on in most MMOs out there, so the OP might just as well stop playing MMOs all together with the way he sees it...

D3 doesn't have pvp. D3 isn't an MMO.

Apples to Oranges

Well, as I said. There will be. At least if you read what Mike Morhaime said in this message: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/4940437236

Edit. And also your completly missing the point. SV, without that much resources to stop shit like this, are trying to do SOMETHING about it. While Blizzard, that drown in money, does NOTHING about it. And as I said, most MMOs has had duping. It´s not like it´s unique to MO.

Stop being obtuse

Blizzard has always done things about duping, just as they are doing things now. Diablo 3 duping isn't even on the same planet as the severity as it is in MO because they aren't even the same type of game.

You meet dupers and cheaters in D3 what do you do? Leave the game and join another, big whoop.

You meet dupers and cheaters in MO what do you do? Prepare your anus because they are going in dry.

Originally posted by SHOE788

Originally posted by Norpan

Originally posted by SHOE788

Originally posted by Norpan

Originally posted by Toferio

Originally posted by Norpan

Originally posted by Hancakes

Originally posted by Filterheadz

there are on average about 10k bots online in ddiablo 3 and more then 5k people using 3'rd party scrips and applications and i have seen 0 bans so far ...  and we are talking about blizzard!

 

Theres a world of difference between dupes in a full loot pvp game with a player driven economy ( lol in theory) and botting/macroing in a theme park .

 

Is there? People still get advantages in D3 for doing it. How can duping in any type of game be good? Thing is Blizzard has the money and manpower to really put their foot down on the exploiters, but so far haven't. SV are doing the best they can with what they have. Now how can that be a bad thing?

I don't think he said duping was "good" in any game, but that it affected players experience less in D3 than in MO, as MO is all about open world PvP, player economy and territory control, not to forget full loot while D3 is a heavy PvE game. Mobs don't qq on forums after getting ganked.

I dunno if PVP is in D3 yet, since I don´t play it, but Blizzard said early on that there would be PVP in D3, so it sure ain´t only gonna be used in PVE. And as I said, Blizzard has the resources to do something about it but they don´t. SV have poor resources as we all know, but they at least try to do something about it. How this can ever be considered bad is beyond me. And dupes is going on in most MMOs out there, so the OP might just as well stop playing MMOs all together with the way he sees it...

D3 doesn't have pvp. D3 isn't an MMO.

Apples to Oranges

Well, as I said. There will be. At least if you read what Mike Morhaime said in this message: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/4940437236

Edit. And also your completly missing the point. SV, without that much resources to stop shit like this, are trying to do SOMETHING about it. While Blizzard, that drown in money, does NOTHING about it. And as I said, most MMOs has had duping. It´s not like it´s unique to MO.

Stop being obtuse

Blizzard has always done things about duping, just as they are doing things now. Diablo 3 duping isn't even on the same planet as the severity as it is in MO because they aren't even the same type of game.

You meet dupers and cheaters in D3 what do you do? Leave the game and join another, big whoop.

You meet dupers and cheaters in MO what do you do? Prepare your anus because they are going in dry.

Originally posted by SHOE788

Originally posted by Norpan

Originally posted by SHOE788

Originally posted by Norpan

Originally posted by Toferio

Originally posted by Norpan

Originally posted by Hancakes

Originally posted by Filterheadz

there are on average about 10k bots online in ddiablo 3 and more then 5k people using 3'rd party scrips and applications and i have seen 0 bans so far ...  and we are talking about blizzard!

 

Theres a world of difference between dupes in a full loot pvp game with a player driven economy ( lol in theory) and botting/macroing in a theme park .

 

Is there? People still get advantages in D3 for doing it. How can duping in any type of game be good? Thing is Blizzard has the money and manpower to really put their foot down on the exploiters, but so far haven't. SV are doing the best they can with what they have. Now how can that be a bad thing?

I don't think he said duping was "good" in any game, but that it affected players experience less in D3 than in MO, as MO is all about open world PvP, player economy and territory control, not to forget full loot while D3 is a heavy PvE game. Mobs don't qq on forums after getting ganked.

I dunno if PVP is in D3 yet, since I don´t play it, but Blizzard said early on that there would be PVP in D3, so it sure ain´t only gonna be used in PVE. And as I said, Blizzard has the resources to do something about it but they don´t. SV have poor resources as we all know, but they at least try to do something about it. How this can ever be considered bad is beyond me. And dupes is going on in most MMOs out there, so the OP might just as well stop playing MMOs all together with the way he sees it...

D3 doesn't have pvp. D3 isn't an MMO.

Apples to Oranges

Well, as I said. There will be. At least if you read what Mike Morhaime said in this message: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/4940437236

Edit. And also your completly missing the point. SV, without that much resources to stop shit like this, are trying to do SOMETHING about it. While Blizzard, that drown in money, does NOTHING about it. And as I said, most MMOs has had duping. It´s not like it´s unique to MO.

Stop being obtuse

Blizzard has always done things about duping, just as they are doing things now. Diablo 3 duping isn't even on the same planet as the severity as it is in MO because they aren't even the same type of game.

You meet dupers and cheaters in D3 what do you do? Leave the game and join another, big whoop.

You meet dupers and cheaters in MO what do you do? Prepare your anus because they are going in dry.

lol. And where do you get that from? The ones that duped might suck ass and get to taste my weenie. Why do people dupe in the first place? Cause they have no moral, and suck ass to begin with. They think by cheating, they will "win". Well, that´s not always the case. They might have more of one kind of sword etc, but once you stand there on the battlefield, it doesn´t matter of how many gold you have in your bank. It comes down to how well you fight. I´ve beaten people with better gear many times, and gotten beaten by people with less powerfull gear as well.

Also, you don´t know who has duped when you fight them in D3, MO, WoW, DF or any other MMO. You can´t just say "Well, that guy is duped. I´m outa here!!!". Actually you can, but that would make you look like sour loser. And once more, it´s not like SV are accepting dupers in MO. They do ban them. They lack the recources that bigger companies like Blizzard have, but they ARE doing something about it. But this thread was made cause the OP thought it was "only" 30 days for duping in MO, which it ain´t, so this post is meaningless. His point is as empty as a balloon.

Originally posted by Hancakes

Everyones getting wrapped up on the specifics, the bigger point is MO still has working dupes.  Banning this guy for life (if SV had the capability) wont change a thing, someone else will still be duping.

your very naive to beleive that removing dupes from an ever changing mmo is remotely possible,they will most likely reapear at some point in time in the majority of mmos, the difference is having proper item tracking and daily scans to discover them early quickly and deal with the problem appropriatly, so that dupers are banned within hours instead of weeks.

mo is the third worst game i have been a part of for how damaging a dupe was. its the worst game for the number of times i have heard of a dupe but its the smallest population and closest community ive bee a part of in an mmo also. The most damaging dupe i witnessed was with EVE online during early release, a number of pirate corps duped loads of isk getting battleships and numerous other things early on and going on a destructive rampage causing alot of honest players to loose a few months of hard work and only 1 of those pirates were banned and as far as i recall nobody was compensated. UO would be second mostly becuase it takes alot longer in uo to get the items that you need and dupes were very rife in the early days of UO.

I think MO has alot more dupes than have been revealed currently and its not really a possibility for SV to remove duping 100%. They need to focus more on prevention as oppossed to a cure.

imo duping in diablo3 is worse because items in diablo3 are sold for real money and also take a stupid amount of time to aquire, they also make a huge difference in pve and the game has alot of players and once pvp opens up those that duped good items or those that stripped other players accounts of months of hard work will have plenty of items to make a profit from or be on have a big advantage in pvp. stripping players characters of all the hard work they put in and getting away with it is worse than exploiting a dupe imo,

In mo duped items make little difference in pvp because the margin between mid tier to high tier is quite low.

Originally posted by deathshroud

Originally posted by Hancakes

Everyones getting wrapped up on the specifics, the bigger point is MO still has working dupes.  Banning this guy for life (if SV had the capability) wont change a thing, someone else will still be duping.

your very naive to beleive that removing dupes from an ever changing mmo is remotely possible,they will most likely reapear at some point in time in the majority of mmos, the difference is having proper item tracking and daily scans to discover them early quickly and deal with the problem appropriatly, so that dupers are banned within hours instead of weeks.

In mo duped items make little difference in pvp because the margin between mid tier to high tier is quite low.

The most recent dupe... was in game since release from what I understand.  All their item tracking did not find it, it was a player ratting other people out that revealed it.  Although I think MO should have put a bug bounty up to reward people report bugs and dupes.  I reported a dupe once within the first hour of a new patch hitting:  they gave me 7 free days.  They should have given me 6 months free for helping to save their game economy.  Cheap fucks.

The margin between mid-tier and high-tier is huge.  Cronite armor vs. steel/plate scale is no comparison.  Cronite swords swing 2 to 1 times against a steel sword.  How much have you really been in game with cronite armor and og weapons?  You're just plain wrong here.

Originally posted by Norpan

Originally posted by SHOE788

Originally posted by Norpan

Originally posted by SHOE788

Originally posted by Norpan

Originally posted by Toferio

Originally posted by Norpan

Originally posted by Hancakes

Originally posted by Filterheadz

there are on average about 10k bots online in ddiablo 3 and more then 5k people using 3'rd party scrips and applications and i have seen 0 bans so far ...  and we are talking about blizzard!

 

Theres a world of difference between dupes in a full loot pvp game with a player driven economy ( lol in theory) and botting/macroing in a theme park .

 

Is there? People still get advantages in D3 for doing it. How can duping in any type of game be good? Thing is Blizzard has the money and manpower to really put their foot down on the exploiters, but so far haven't. SV are doing the best they can with what they have. Now how can that be a bad thing?

I don't think he said duping was "good" in any game, but that it affected players experience less in D3 than in MO, as MO is all about open world PvP, player economy and territory control, not to forget full loot while D3 is a heavy PvE game. Mobs don't qq on forums after getting ganked.

I dunno if PVP is in D3 yet, since I don´t play it, but Blizzard said early on that there would be PVP in D3, so it sure ain´t only gonna be used in PVE. And as I said, Blizzard has the resources to do something about it but they don´t. SV have poor resources as we all know, but they at least try to do something about it. How this can ever be considered bad is beyond me. And dupes is going on in most MMOs out there, so the OP might just as well stop playing MMOs all together with the way he sees it...

D3 doesn't have pvp. D3 isn't an MMO.

Apples to Oranges

Well, as I said. There will be. At least if you read what Mike Morhaime said in this message: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/4940437236

Edit. And also your completly missing the point. SV, without that much resources to stop shit like this, are trying to do SOMETHING about it. While Blizzard, that drown in money, does NOTHING about it. And as I said, most MMOs has had duping. It´s not like it´s unique to MO.

Stop being obtuse

Blizzard has always done things about duping, just as they are doing things now. Diablo 3 duping isn't even on the same planet as the severity as it is in MO because they aren't even the same type of game.

You meet dupers and cheaters in D3 what do you do? Leave the game and join another, big whoop.

You meet dupers and cheaters in MO what do you do? Prepare your anus because they are going in dry.

lol. And where do you get that from? The ones that duped might suck ass and get to taste my weenie. Why do people dupe in the first place? Cause they have no moral, and suck ass to begin with. They think by cheating, they will "win". Well, that´s not always the case. They might have more of one kind of sword etc, but once you stand there on the battlefield, it doesn´t matter of how many gold you have in your bank. It comes down to how well you fight. I´ve beaten people with better gear many times, and gotten beaten by people with less powerfull gear as well.

Also, you don´t know who has duped when you fight them in D3, MO, WoW, DF or any other MMO. You can´t just say "Well, that guy is duped. I´m outa here!!!". Actually you can, but that would make you look like sour loser. And once more, it´s not like SV are accepting dupers in MO. They do ban them. They lack the recources that bigger companies like Blizzard have, but they ARE doing something about it. But this thread was made cause the OP thought it was "only" 30 days for duping in MO, which it ain´t, so this post is meaningless. His point is as empty as a balloon.

I'm not doubting that effort goes into getting rid of cheaters from SV. I'm saying cheating and duping has a much bigger effect when it happens in MO because of the type of game it is.

Originally posted by Slapshot1188

I almost typed up a nice reply... and then midstream I realized that I had seen this particular issue before, and again before that, and again before that, and... well you get the picture.  Different names, but same old story.

 

 

The sad thing is, its not different people.  

I left this game six months after release, and glad I did.   It wasnt a sandbox and thus wasnt what I was looking for.

To bad, it could have been AWESOME! 

I should have left during beta before they drained nearly a 150 dollars out of me over that 6 months.  The signs where there, randomly exploding horses, falling under the world, horrible lag in some areas due to populations (100 people).

Originally posted by SHOE788

Originally posted by Norpan

Originally posted by SHOE788

Originally posted by Norpan

Originally posted by SHOE788

Originally posted by Norpan

Originally posted by Toferio

Originally posted by Norpan

Originally posted by Hancakes

Originally posted by Filterheadz

there are on average about 10k bots online in ddiablo 3 and more then 5k people using 3'rd party scrips and applications and i have seen 0 bans so far ...  and we are talking about blizzard!

 

Theres a world of difference between dupes in a full loot pvp game with a player driven economy ( lol in theory) and botting/macroing in a theme park .

 

Is there? People still get advantages in D3 for doing it. How can duping in any type of game be good? Thing is Blizzard has the money and manpower to really put their foot down on the exploiters, but so far haven't. SV are doing the best they can with what they have. Now how can that be a bad thing?

I don't think he said duping was "good" in any game, but that it affected players experience less in D3 than in MO, as MO is all about open world PvP, player economy and territory control, not to forget full loot while D3 is a heavy PvE game. Mobs don't qq on forums after getting ganked.

I dunno if PVP is in D3 yet, since I don´t play it, but Blizzard said early on that there would be PVP in D3, so it sure ain´t only gonna be used in PVE. And as I said, Blizzard has the resources to do something about it but they don´t. SV have poor resources as we all know, but they at least try to do something about it. How this can ever be considered bad is beyond me. And dupes is going on in most MMOs out there, so the OP might just as well stop playing MMOs all together with the way he sees it...

D3 doesn't have pvp. D3 isn't an MMO.

Apples to Oranges

Well, as I said. There will be. At least if you read what Mike Morhaime said in this message: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/4940437236

Edit. And also your completly missing the point. SV, without that much resources to stop shit like this, are trying to do SOMETHING about it. While Blizzard, that drown in money, does NOTHING about it. And as I said, most MMOs has had duping. It´s not like it´s unique to MO.

Stop being obtuse

Blizzard has always done things about duping, just as they are doing things now. Diablo 3 duping isn't even on the same planet as the severity as it is in MO because they aren't even the same type of game.

You meet dupers and cheaters in D3 what do you do? Leave the game and join another, big whoop.

You meet dupers and cheaters in MO what do you do? Prepare your anus because they are going in dry.

lol. And where do you get that from? The ones that duped might suck ass and get to taste my weenie. Why do people dupe in the first place? Cause they have no moral, and suck ass to begin with. They think by cheating, they will "win". Well, that´s not always the case. They might have more of one kind of sword etc, but once you stand there on the battlefield, it doesn´t matter of how many gold you have in your bank. It comes down to how well you fight. I´ve beaten people with better gear many times, and gotten beaten by people with less powerfull gear as well.

Also, you don´t know who has duped when you fight them in D3, MO, WoW, DF or any other MMO. You can´t just say "Well, that guy is duped. I´m outa here!!!". Actually you can, but that would make you look like sour loser. And once more, it´s not like SV are accepting dupers in MO. They do ban them. They lack the recources that bigger companies like Blizzard have, but they ARE doing something about it. But this thread was made cause the OP thought it was "only" 30 days for duping in MO, which it ain´t, so this post is meaningless. His point is as empty as a balloon.

I'm not doubting that effort goes into getting rid of cheaters from SV. I'm saying cheating and duping has a much bigger effect when it happens in MO because of the type of game it is.

Well, actually it doesn´t. It maybe make the cheater richer etc. But as I said b4. Once your out on the field all that duped mat he had is in the bank. Yes he dies, and has to pick up a new set, and didn´t loose that much. Except for when he is caught and banned. Then he loses it all.

And MO is not the only MMO that has problems with duping. And dunno how many times I have to say this. This thread was about cheaters "only" being banned for 30 days for duping, which is a pure lie, and made by some1 that couldn´t comprehend the text he was reading. So this thread is pointless. Yes there been dupes in MO. Cheaters do get caught. Some also escape the net. But that happens in almost every MMO out there. Nothing new to MO.

Originally posted by Norpan

 

. And dunno how many times I have to say this. This thread was about cheaters "only" being banned for 30 days for duping, which is a pure lie, and made by some1 that couldn´t comprehend the text he was reading.

Out of curiosity, how long were the cheaters banned for?

Originally posted by Slapshot1188

Originally posted by Norpan

 

. And dunno how many times I have to say this. This thread was about cheaters "only" being banned for 30 days for duping, which is a pure lie, and made by some1 that couldn´t comprehend the text he was reading.

Out of curiosity, how long were the cheaters banned for?

 

30 days

although esentially, they were suspended for a period of at least 30 days pending an investigation. But who cares about that minor detail

I'm reluctant to go to extreme measures for these situations as well because the game is what it is.  If the devs have coded in things which can be exploited....that's just the way it is until they fix it.

Originally posted by deathshroud

Originally posted by Slapshot1188

Originally posted by Norpan

 

. And dunno how many times I have to say this. This thread was about cheaters "only" being banned for 30 days for duping, which is a pure lie, and made by some1 that couldn´t comprehend the text he was reading.

Out of curiosity, how long were the cheaters banned for?

 

30 days

 

although esentially, they were suspended for a period of at least 30 days pending an investigation. But who cares about that minor detail

So you see my point :-)

I guess their mistake was in announcing the 30 days.  They simply should have announced that the parties were banned pending investigation...

Originally posted by Norpan

Originally posted by SHOE788

Originally posted by Norpan

Originally posted by SHOE788

Originally posted by Norpan

Originally posted by SHOE788

Originally posted by Norpan

Originally posted by Toferio

Originally posted by Norpan

Originally posted by Hancakes

Originally posted by Filterheadz

there are on average about 10k bots online in ddiablo 3 and more then 5k people using 3'rd party scrips and applications and i have seen 0 bans so far ...  and we are talking about blizzard!

 

Theres a world of difference between dupes in a full loot pvp game with a player driven economy ( lol in theory) and botting/macroing in a theme park .

 

Is there? People still get advantages in D3 for doing it. How can duping in any type of game be good? Thing is Blizzard has the money and manpower to really put their foot down on the exploiters, but so far haven't. SV are doing the best they can with what they have. Now how can that be a bad thing?

I don't think he said duping was "good" in any game, but that it affected players experience less in D3 than in MO, as MO is all about open world PvP, player economy and territory control, not to forget full loot while D3 is a heavy PvE game. Mobs don't qq on forums after getting ganked.

I dunno if PVP is in D3 yet, since I don´t play it, but Blizzard said early on that there would be PVP in D3, so it sure ain´t only gonna be used in PVE. And as I said, Blizzard has the resources to do something about it but they don´t. SV have poor resources as we all know, but they at least try to do something about it. How this can ever be considered bad is beyond me. And dupes is going on in most MMOs out there, so the OP might just as well stop playing MMOs all together with the way he sees it...

D3 doesn't have pvp. D3 isn't an MMO.

Apples to Oranges

Well, as I said. There will be. At least if you read what Mike Morhaime said in this message: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/4940437236

Edit. And also your completly missing the point. SV, without that much resources to stop shit like this, are trying to do SOMETHING about it. While Blizzard, that drown in money, does NOTHING about it. And as I said, most MMOs has had duping. It´s not like it´s unique to MO.

Stop being obtuse

Blizzard has always done things about duping, just as they are doing things now. Diablo 3 duping isn't even on the same planet as the severity as it is in MO because they aren't even the same type of game.

You meet dupers and cheaters in D3 what do you do? Leave the game and join another, big whoop.

You meet dupers and cheaters in MO what do you do? Prepare your anus because they are going in dry.

lol. And where do you get that from? The ones that duped might suck ass and get to taste my weenie. Why do people dupe in the first place? Cause they have no moral, and suck ass to begin with. They think by cheating, they will "win". Well, that´s not always the case. They might have more of one kind of sword etc, but once you stand there on the battlefield, it doesn´t matter of how many gold you have in your bank. It comes down to how well you fight. I´ve beaten people with better gear many times, and gotten beaten by people with less powerfull gear as well.

Also, you don´t know who has duped when you fight them in D3, MO, WoW, DF or any other MMO. You can´t just say "Well, that guy is duped. I´m outa here!!!". Actually you can, but that would make you look like sour loser. And once more, it´s not like SV are accepting dupers in MO. They do ban them. They lack the recources that bigger companies like Blizzard have, but they ARE doing something about it. But this thread was made cause the OP thought it was "only" 30 days for duping in MO, which it ain´t, so this post is meaningless. His point is as empty as a balloon.

I'm not doubting that effort goes into getting rid of cheaters from SV. I'm saying cheating and duping has a much bigger effect when it happens in MO because of the type of game it is.

Well, actually it doesn´t. It maybe make the cheater richer etc. But as I said b4. Once your out on the field all that duped mat he had is in the bank. Yes he dies, and has to pick up a new set, and didn´t loose that much. Except for when he is caught and banned. Then he loses it all.

And MO is not the only MMO that has problems with duping. And dunno how many times I have to say this. This thread was about cheaters "only" being banned for 30 days for duping, which is a pure lie, and made by some1 that couldn´t comprehend the text he was reading. So this thread is pointless. Yes there been dupes in MO. Cheaters do get caught. Some also escape the net. But that happens in almost every MMO out there. Nothing new to MO.

So a duper gets caught and banned and "loses it all"...so he just starts a new account and redupes everything he had back. Oh noes! You also forget that a duper not only supplies himself with armor but his friends. So while you and your friends lose all the armor they have, they jjust keep gearing up and coming back for more. Don't downplay the advantage dupers get, that's misleading.

Dupes happen in a lot of MMOs but affect FFA full loot games the hardest

Well fortunatelly I have zero tolerance policy towards companies that does not have zero tolerance policy or are faking it.

Sick and tired of companies (huge majority of mmorpg companies sadly) who does not perma ban for things like this.

People use exploits heavily, duping or hacking and they get temp bans.

That's fucking laughable.   No point of staying in that kind of game and enviroment imho.

Originally posted by Slapshot1188

Originally posted by deathshroud

Originally posted by Slapshot1188

Originally posted by Norpan

 

. And dunno how many times I have to say this. This thread was about cheaters "only" being banned for 30 days for duping, which is a pure lie, and made by some1 that couldn´t comprehend the text he was reading.

Out of curiosity, how long were the cheaters banned for?

 

30 days

 

although esentially, they were suspended for a period of at least 30 days pending an investigation. But who cares about that minor detail

So you see my point :-)

 

I guess their mistake was in announcing the 30 days.  They simply should have announced that the parties were banned pending investigation...

 

 

Yes lets dogpile on SV for not catering to other people's poor reading comprehension and making statements idiot proof.

Originally posted by SHOE788

Originally posted by Norpan

Originally posted by SHOE788

Originally posted by Norpan

Originally posted by SHOE788

Originally posted by Norpan

Originally posted by SHOE788

Originally posted by Norpan

Originally posted by Toferio

Originally posted by Norpan

Originally posted by Hancakes

Originally posted by Filterheadz

there are on average about 10k bots online in ddiablo 3 and more then 5k people using 3'rd party scrips and applications and i have seen 0 bans so far ...  and we are talking about blizzard!

 

Theres a world of difference between dupes in a full loot pvp game with a player driven economy ( lol in theory) and botting/macroing in a theme park .

 

Is there? People still get advantages in D3 for doing it. How can duping in any type of game be good? Thing is Blizzard has the money and manpower to really put their foot down on the exploiters, but so far haven't. SV are doing the best they can with what they have. Now how can that be a bad thing?

I don't think he said duping was "good" in any game, but that it affected players experience less in D3 than in MO, as MO is all about open world PvP, player economy and territory control, not to forget full loot while D3 is a heavy PvE game. Mobs don't qq on forums after getting ganked.

I dunno if PVP is in D3 yet, since I don´t play it, but Blizzard said early on that there would be PVP in D3, so it sure ain´t only gonna be used in PVE. And as I said, Blizzard has the resources to do something about it but they don´t. SV have poor resources as we all know, but they at least try to do something about it. How this can ever be considered bad is beyond me. And dupes is going on in most MMOs out there, so the OP might just as well stop playing MMOs all together with the way he sees it...

D3 doesn't have pvp. D3 isn't an MMO.

Apples to Oranges

Well, as I said. There will be. At least if you read what Mike Morhaime said in this message: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/4940437236

Edit. And also your completly missing the point. SV, without that much resources to stop shit like this, are trying to do SOMETHING about it. While Blizzard, that drown in money, does NOTHING about it. And as I said, most MMOs has had duping. It´s not like it´s unique to MO.

Stop being obtuse

Blizzard has always done things about duping, just as they are doing things now. Diablo 3 duping isn't even on the same planet as the severity as it is in MO because they aren't even the same type of game.

You meet dupers and cheaters in D3 what do you do? Leave the game and join another, big whoop.

You meet dupers and cheaters in MO what do you do? Prepare your anus because they are going in dry.

lol. And where do you get that from? The ones that duped might suck ass and get to taste my weenie. Why do people dupe in the first place? Cause they have no moral, and suck ass to begin with. They think by cheating, they will "win". Well, that´s not always the case. They might have more of one kind of sword etc, but once you stand there on the battlefield, it doesn´t matter of how many gold you have in your bank. It comes down to how well you fight. I´ve beaten people with better gear many times, and gotten beaten by people with less powerfull gear as well.

Also, you don´t know who has duped when you fight them in D3, MO, WoW, DF or any other MMO. You can´t just say "Well, that guy is duped. I´m outa here!!!". Actually you can, but that would make you look like sour loser. And once more, it´s not like SV are accepting dupers in MO. They do ban them. They lack the recources that bigger companies like Blizzard have, but they ARE doing something about it. But this thread was made cause the OP thought it was "only" 30 days for duping in MO, which it ain´t, so this post is meaningless. His point is as empty as a balloon.

I'm not doubting that effort goes into getting rid of cheaters from SV. I'm saying cheating and duping has a much bigger effect when it happens in MO because of the type of game it is.

Well, actually it doesn´t. It maybe make the cheater richer etc. But as I said b4. Once your out on the field all that duped mat he had is in the bank. Yes he dies, and has to pick up a new set, and didn´t loose that much. Except for when he is caught and banned. Then he loses it all.

And MO is not the only MMO that has problems with duping. And dunno how many times I have to say this. This thread was about cheaters "only" being banned for 30 days for duping, which is a pure lie, and made by some1 that couldn´t comprehend the text he was reading. So this thread is pointless. Yes there been dupes in MO. Cheaters do get caught. Some also escape the net. But that happens in almost every MMO out there. Nothing new to MO.

So a duper gets caught and banned and "loses it all"...so he just starts a new account and redupes everything he had back. Oh noes! You also forget that a duper not only supplies himself with armor but his friends. So while you and your friends lose all the armor they have, they jjust keep gearing up and coming back for more. Don't downplay the advantage dupers get, that's misleading.

Dupes happen in a lot of MMOs but affect FFA full loot games the hardest

Yeah, and you know that for a fact right? Then I know for a fact that most dupers get their little bubble ego blown and don´t wanna waste more money on buying another account, and risking to get banned again, and again and again etc. Some maybe are THAT stupid, and the duping to start of could be proof enough of that, but I think them greens count more then that armor ingame...

Also, if a dupe gets to SVs attention, they do something about it. It´s not like it will still be there for the duper to exploit over and over. Yes, new dupes might arries, but it´s not like dupes are all over the place, and there for anyone to grab like you make it sound.