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  User Deleted
5/29/11 1:13:13 AM#21

There will always be cheaters, as long as K2 keeps up on it it wont get out of control, i dont think it currently is.

Look, im terrible at gun fights, however improving as i learn the maps more.  That is a HUGE advantage thats overlooked by a new player crying foul in chat over a "hacker".  Theres lots of advantages to be gained by simply knowing the game, more so than most FPS.

Characters in this game die fast...very fast...its easy to go down before you click the shoot button, so its very important to know where the enemy is (estimating usually) and know potential camp spots, since theres a lot of above and below you areas for potental snipers ect.  If you know what weapons your opponent has, what they are strong and weak at, and adjust accordingly, you have another advantage on top of learning the map layout (very difficult to do btw).  This is where a lot of cheater cries come from.  Some guy with a starter weapon (they are competative surprisingly), or early game weapon, is facer*ping another team, other teams is going nuts in global chat.  what they dont understand is that guy is in a spot that takes advantage of that guns strong suit, he knows where you going to be comming from, so he can setup and wait.  When the team dies, he then moves to a spot that will camp the obvious "ok we know where he is now lets approach from this side" tactic, team wipes again.

They dont realize whats going on, only that their whole team is being stopped by one guy and therefore must be a hacker.  Reality is, that guy knows what your most likely to do, knows how to fire his gun properly, knows what weapons your rolling with and what they can do, and knows how to take full advantage of the fact that you keep running in guns blazing.  If that guy is with friends of similair skill....its over for you and your team.

But yeah, in chat its literally every few minuets you get a cheater accusation, this game has a very surprising learning curve, something you never expect with FPS, which are usually "if your good at one your good at all of them" type games.

My guess is that the cheaters are far fewer than most suspect, however they do exists, and K2 needs to keep up on keeping them out, or at least making it a major pain to do.  Since this game has a huge learning curve and no other FPS experience will make you pro instantly in it, a lot of people will be tempted to aimbot, rather than learning how to play.

On a side note, one of the few games out there where you can park your character in a spot, and watch the playfield eating popcorn...its quite an entertaining world to watch...when you get a few teams doing missions vs eachoter in one area, with others doing open world crime/enforcing, criminals mugginf and ramming shop windows for loot and enforcers zipping around with sirens blaring and 3 guys with guns hanging out the windows... its both insane and hilarious just to watch the mayhem, explosions, bodies flying, cars wrecking, pedestrians, bullets flying everywhere...good stuff..almost as much fun to watch as it is to actually partake in, granted your in a hot spot area.

  konishiwa

Apprentice Member

Joined: 6/06/11
Posts: 6

6/08/11 6:26:49 AM#22

Well, i dont know if most of the situations is a hacking or failure in enviroment/game mechanics, last few days i was on some weird fights, like being shoted trough vans and trucks, walls and people who know exacly where i was and always being able to shoot me and coming to exacly my position in the area whidout radar help.

Sure you need skills to play this, and alot of them, but sometimes gets frustating when you see people that dont even aim and shoot you whit 2 shots everytime, and when i mean everytime i really mean it.

Like a mission i was whit 4 guys against one and this one guy  killed everyone of my team (some silver stars in there) cause he was always on the right spot every single time whidout failures, he passed for us running, shoots and scores a kill every single time, no aiming just a short burst from wep, skills or hacks?!

I probably wold never pass of a average player, but theres some weird stuff going on in the game, lol

 

 

  Tyratops

Novice Member

Joined: 5/02/10
Posts: 102

6/08/11 6:46:26 AM#23

The game isn't nearly as full of hackers as people appear to claim. 

I wish people would stop exaggerating things and scaring off potential new players.

  User Deleted
6/08/11 11:39:49 PM#24

Its one of those games where when you are new, it seems EVERYONE must be hacking.

Once you learn the ropes on how to play, you start to understand why it appears that way, the games got a hard learning curve.  The gun fights DO NOT play like other FPS/TPS games.  Your extensive history dominating in quake and halo will only mean you will have a harder time adapting to APB.

Once you learn how to spot a cheater in APB, youll see that they are quite rare, and when you do spot one, chances are, they will mysteriously dissapear, never to be seen again.

Of course there are cheaters, however, the more you play and learn the game, the more you start to understand why exactly you are getting dominated in ways that seem to warrent a hack accusation.

The first week of beta, nearly everyone was calling anyone who beat them a hacker in district chat.  That isnt the case anymore, since a lot of these people posted videos of the so called cheaters.  When reviewed it showed exactly why the accuser was getting dominated, and showed no signs of the accused cheating (most of the time)

There are a few very good videos of actual cheaters, using slow motion to highlight what to look for.  However getting dominated from the front isnt grounds for calling cheat.  Usually a cheater will "snap" when you come from behind, shoot you before he turns around, then instantly drop your teammate who was somewhere else, usually in a position that the cheater would have no way of seeing while snapping on you and killing you.

I degress, ther are cheaters, however, the first instinct of a new player it to call anyone who beats them a cheat. Most cases they are not hackers.  They do exists, and the ones i knew were cheating, went missing (i added them to friends lists so i knew who was a cheat) Obviously something is happening to them.

  konishiwa

Apprentice Member

Joined: 6/06/11
Posts: 6

6/09/11 5:32:57 AM#25

They probably live now in a shack in Guam...not by choice...

 

Well i have to (hardly whit bad teeth grind) agree that there are some serious players in this game, and despite that looks like cheaters they arent, its just a matter of time to take that learning curve, the more i play the game the more i see how badass some people are, its scary but at same time im glad they exist so you can study their strategies and moves.

But i still get little upset when i fight a group of players who always kills me whit 2 shots, doesnt mater the angle, doesnt matter the position, once they spot you, youre dead and thats a bit messed up lol its like fighting machines.

  osc8r

Advanced Member

Joined: 8/30/06
Posts: 701

6/13/11 6:07:36 PM#26

I've been paying beta for quite some time now and am still enjoying myself. However, things are definitely better at lower threat level's, as once you start reaching the high silver threat, and heaven forbid gold... the majority, yes, the majority of players ARE using third party programs of some sort at this level.

I've been doing some research, and the hacks have come a long way too, as the smart apper's can customise how quick (or slow) the 'snap' to target is, and how much of a degree of variation is required before the 'snap' happens (if at all). So the tell tale 180 degree spin & snap to target give away is a lot less rare now, but there are plenty of other giveaways if you know what to look for, and how obvious the apper is willing to be.

There are still some people who are blatantly obvious with them though. As a low gold threat level I was up against a group of >R20's with their starter stars.... yes, RATING 20's with gold threat, and wow. They would do drive by's at full speed on my team mates from 50m away and kill them within seconds (not one bullet would miss). They were taking out our snipers (well beyond the efficient range of the star) with ease. Not to mention the blatantly obvious wallhacks. It's a joke.

Now I realise there are plenty of false hacking accusations been thrown around, and I have received more than several myself. But once you learn what the camera (and radar) can and can't do, what each gun is capable of etc etc... things become pretty clear to an experienced eye (I was also R250+ under RTW).

I really hope they can get these third party apps under control, as I am really enjoying the game otherwise. I should note that I have recorded and reported several video's of these appers over the course of the weekend, and have noticed that two of these names are no longer valid. So fingers crossed that they are getting on top of things, and with more preventative measures to come (pb is sh*t).

Now, I'm off to get my threat level down a bit.

More food for thought:

What the apper/hacker see's: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99u4IEmhLRQ&feature=player_embedded

Weekly hacker update from G1: http://forums.gamersfirst.com/index.php?showtopic=147825 (still a LONG way to go)

  grimal

Spotlight Poster

Joined: 9/11/05
Posts: 1842

6/23/11 5:40:53 PM#27

Hacking is at this point out of hand.  I'd say it's on same level as it was when run by RTW.  Blatant aimbotting, people admitting they hack in district chat. There was even a guy named "DamnCheaters" going on kill streak after kill streak sniping with his LMG.

For all G1's blogs, they are doing absolutely nothing to curtail the problem.

Avoid this game like the plague of death (unless you're a hacker, because if you are you can hack without fear of banning!)

Release a game with a very large established fanbase from 10+ years of bnet history when the market was still emerging and the casual base had not yet been established, thus ripe for harvesting a momentious self perpetuating playerbase people never leave because they have X hours invested in their characters, and their friends and everyone else plays anyway. Not discounting Blizzard quality... but WoW's success is as much about perfect timing as it is quality, if not more so. - Derros

  Xer0id

Hard Core Member

Joined: 9/06/08
Posts: 343

6/23/11 5:47:37 PM#28

I have yet to notice any suspicious activity on APB; ass has been kicked from day one for me, and even now I am still kicking ass. I managed to get past R50 under 24-hours of gameplay. Hurray!

 

:D

  osc8r

Advanced Member

Joined: 8/30/06
Posts: 701

6/23/11 7:22:13 PM#29
Originally posted by grimal

Hacking is at this point out of hand.  I'd say it's on same level as it was when run by RTW.  Blatant aimbotting, people admitting they hack in district chat. There was even a guy named "DamnCheaters" going on kill streak after kill streak sniping with his LMG.

For all G1's blogs, they are doing absolutely nothing to curtail the problem.

Avoid this game like the plague of death (unless you're a hacker, because if you are you can hack without fear of banning!)

Agreed. Game was pretty unplayable (as a *high silver/ low gold threat) for us over the weekend due to BLATANT hackers.

I lost count of all the missions I had against R20 players with starting stars who had amazing ESP and never missed, and were in guilds like "my little pwnies", "legit skills", or the best one yet "artificial aiming".

But then there were also R180 players with Shaw's and Alig's who camped on rooftops and would mow people down from 60m+ without missing a shot, and who are renown cheaters but still go unchecked.

Here's a good example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUye6ChusJQ

The hacks are constantly evolving, but the anti-cheat methods from G1 are not. Most hacks now have things like no recoil and now, no spread (even though the G1 dev's said it wasn't "likely" to be possible.. the proof is in the pudding, and all the youtube video's.), gm warnings, and auto closing on PB scans.

And even if they do get caught, it takes them what, 2 minutes to create a new account? Please.

Game is pretty decent at low threat levels (as you wont encounter many hackers), but at higher threats it is now in a terrible state.

IMO they should at least implement the following:

Premium only district

CC required on registration

PB registration that instant bans players (not their current method of detection, then manual bans days or weeks later)

Better and evolving bullet randamisation codes to prevent no spread counters

Hardware and IP bans

More in game MOD's

In-game report feature

Sure, none of these would eliminate cheaters 100% but the more deterents the better - and currently, there are next to none.

TLDR: Game is going downhill FAST.

  shamall

Advanced Member

Joined: 7/30/04
Posts: 489

played: almost every mmo out there

6/24/11 8:38:10 AM#30

I ran into a total of 4 hackers today.  Two of them in the same group, the other two on seperate occasions and they were all using stars, had perfect aim and were destroying my team.

The Brave Do Not Fear The Grave

  Rhianne

Novice Member

Joined: 5/20/08
Posts: 58

6/28/11 12:47:55 PM#31

Here's a good example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUye6ChusJQ

TLDR: Game is going downhill FAST.

1. Excellent video, thank you for posting.

2. Agreed on game going downhill fast.

I really want to love this game, but sadly some of the core problems are insurmountable. I do not like accusing people of cheating, and I will give players every benefit of the doubt and assume they are just good in virtually all cases. I consider myself good, strategic, and experienced, and grant that others are, too. But sometimes, especially recently, there have been players that exceed possibility. When a person over several independent missions never ever loses a straight up close range 1v1 fight despite equivalent weapons and upgrades, even when you get the drop on them, even when you engage (over several missions) them over THIRTY TIMES, even when your ENTIRE team can't kill the person once EVER because their shots all magically kill you faster than you can ever kill them, no. It's not a matter of skill or not knowing the game anymore.

Matchmaking is still horrific in most cases. I understand that the previous setting (last patch) tried to enforce fair matches and as a result, no matches were being made. The problem is with 50 people on a side and an average of 7 or so groups on a side, equal matches are rare to impossible. The only solution I can see is to have people be zoned according to strength, so all mid-silvers play together or something close. But this would be a huge design challenge that should have been implemented at the beginning and would likely be impossible to implement now.

 

  pezit

Apprentice Member

Joined: 12/10/05
Posts: 64

7/02/11 12:47:30 AM#32

Getting close to 200h in game now and i play at silver threat 9 ATM, i can count all cheaters i've played against on one hand. If anyone is interested in trying the game i would ignore these guys who says everyone is cheating because it simply isn't true, they're probably just not that good at the game and can't handle losing.

  Rhianne

Novice Member

Joined: 5/20/08
Posts: 58

7/03/11 12:11:58 PM#33
Originally posted by pezit

Getting close to 200h in game now and i play at silver threat 9 ATM, i can count all cheaters i've played against on one hand. If anyone is interested in trying the game i would ignore these guys who says everyone is cheating because it simply isn't true, they're probably just not that good at the game and can't handle losing.

Pezit, you're not paying attention. Instead, you're one of the many unhelpful commoners that ignores an entire forum of commentary and instead rushes to the keyboard to blither "anyone that isn't having the same experience I have must not be good, learn to play." Even after specific examples of it not being a learn to play issue. And that cheating is limited to a small fraction of people, not "everyone." But you found it necessary to misquote and insult us anyway. 

  David99

Apprentice Member

Joined: 11/20/06
Posts: 229

7/03/11 7:46:14 PM#34
Originally posted by pezit

Getting close to 200h in game now and i play at silver threat 9 ATM, i can count all cheaters i've played against on one hand. If anyone is interested in trying the game i would ignore these guys who says everyone is cheating because it simply isn't true, they're probably just not that good at the game and can't handle losing.

Gold 1 here, rating 187. I was also a max threat, capped rating player under RTW.

And well, you either play with your eye's closed or are the luckiest person alive.

Game is FULL of hackers (some blatant, most are not), just as it was under RTW.

And no, L2P has nothing to do with it - considering even with frequent hackers I still win most of the time (tactics are often > that a kiddie with an aimbot).

Try this game at your own risk.

 

  orangedude

Novice Member

Joined: 9/13/11
Posts: 7

11/12/11 9:41:16 AM#35

It's really funny to read threads like this. I mean there is some blame to the devs that can't get anti-hack software to work but the most blame should be pointed to the gaming community for using aimbot in the first place lol...

Seriously, just stop cheating. Games aren't that hard. You just need to practice a bit and you'll get better. You don't have to be the best, just play normally and you'll improve and feel rewarded for it.

The FPS community is pretty sad though with the amount of people that attempt to cheat. I remember playing BF and would constantly see people getting kicked by PB... Just sad really... Those scum should be banned from playing any games imo.

 

  Rhianne

Novice Member

Joined: 5/20/08
Posts: 58

11/14/11 1:18:50 AM#36

I agree with you, Orangedude. Except for the part about trying to talk sense to cheaters.

  PukeBucket

Novice Member

Joined: 9/10/11
Posts: 888

11/14/11 1:34:31 AM#37

Handful of cheaters?

Here's an assignment then class. 

See how easy it is to get a hack / cheat to work for APB for yourself.

In 15 minutes, even if you're computer and/or actually illiterate, you will have a functioning hack working despite all the extra software Gamers First tacks on.

I actually love this game. The graphics, the creation system (feels like REAL crafting), and even the combat. BUT I don't play because the hacking is still overly abundant. Maybe with Battlefield and Call of Duty out those guys are busy being annoying little shits there?

I used to play MMOs like you, but then I took an arrow to the knee.

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