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  Jhustyn

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Joined: 5/31/06
Posts: 108

 
OP  4/02/11 1:07:35 PM#1

So,

Is the beta a hackfest?....I noticed just about everyone used to have "perfect aim" before the game went under last time.

  likeafox

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Joined: 10/07/07
Posts: 46

4/02/11 1:19:34 PM#2

Yes there is quite a bit of hackers in the beta. Don't know if you were on La Rocha on live, but that Nothing Personal guild and a few code killers who has a few cheaters are in the beta. They keep saying they don't cheat but half the old community knows they do. I remember them(Nothing Personal esp) exploiting the tree in waterfront numerous times when they had a V.I.P. which you couldn't nade/shoot the guy in the tree because it blocked all damage.  Amongst a few other people who had the most amazing aim I've seen throughout the years of Call of Duty/Battlefield playing.

G1 said they have not fully activated punkbuster yet and they are monitoring people cheating right now and so they say have a good suprise coming to the hackers when the anti-cheat goes live. But seeing as the game is F2P now, its much easier to make another account and such and do it again. All PC Games will have cheats for them, just up to the company to keep updating to catch them off guard because cheats are always evolving/updating.

But in the beta right now they only have the one server up and that it is West Coast, which if you are on the east coast Lag tends to hit you quite a bit and may cause you to think someone is shooting you through walls and the like.

They made the Grenade Launcher pretty much OP, you can run into an area and shoot like 6 nades in without even getting shot and kill their whole team, its pretty ridiculous and I hope they nerf it. I don't remember it being that amazing back when RTW handled things. There is also an exploit with the OBIR right now where you can basically have no recoil, which a lot of people are using.

tl;dr version:

yes there still is

 

p.s. sorry for my ranting/rambling

  grimal

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Joined: 9/11/05
Posts: 1835

4/03/11 10:08:40 AM#3

I'm actually amazed at how little GamersFirst has done despite all their talk of improving things.  The only bug I notice being gone is the one where you were pushed out of the car if a mission is accepted while riding as a passenger.

Still has the bug where the player name sometimems doesn't update to red or green when in a mission, therefore you seemingly get killed by a grey.

Seems like there is a lot of hacking going on.  For all their purported identifying of hackers (they say only .6% hack right  now), I have a hard time believing they will do any better than RTW did.  Most of the hacks you can buy for this game are advertised as PB proof so I don't think they will be able to keep a lid on this stuff.

Hitboxes are still completely inaccurate.  Still travel to X spot to press F (they didn't add any mini-game there even though they should have).  Still rampant griefing going on.  Why oh why does it make sense that another vehicle can blow you up if rammed even though driven by a grey YET you can't shoot a grey?

World still feels weird...yes, I can drive through certain big gates but little ones?  They're indestructible.

Now that this game is F2P, the hacking/exploiting will become rampant. 

I was/am a fan of the original but did understand the shortcomings.   It appears GF is doing little to nothing to address these.

Release a game with a very large established fanbase from 10+ years of bnet history when the market was still emerging and the casual base had not yet been established, thus ripe for harvesting a momentious self perpetuating playerbase people never leave because they have X hours invested in their characters, and their friends and everyone else plays anyway. Not discounting Blizzard quality... but WoW's success is as much about perfect timing as it is quality, if not more so. - Derros

  goosie

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Joined: 7/11/04
Posts: 69

4/03/11 2:47:20 PM#4

They said they're not going to do anything to hackers until the game goes live, they are just data mining and working on a solution, which was the same strategy RTW took and was never fully realized. But I agree, PB won't be the solution.

I'll disagree with hitboxes, as I think hitboxes are fine. If you're anywhere outside of the US West, you could think that there are some inaccuracies b/c of lag. Type /fps to see how much you're lagging.

With regards to missions, yeah they didn't do anything there to make it more interesting. Call me crazy, but I wish they would add some PvE content to balance things out a bit that are not the same go to X location and <action> Y. I mean sometimes I want to take a break from doing PvP and take it easy, and some good PvE content would do just that. But yeah, I realize they took the counterstrike approach in making this game, and substantial PvE content development won't ever happen in this game.

  osc8r

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Joined: 8/30/06
Posts: 701

4/14/11 7:12:05 PM#5

Rampant hacking ruined this game completely for me, they really better do something of impact about it when the game goes live, or all there work will be for nothing.

  Rhoklaw

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Joined: 1/12/04
Posts: 2967

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4/16/11 6:17:20 PM#6

As of right now, it seems more criminals are cheating than enforcers. I can't even count how many matches ended with enforcers having less than 5 kills/arrests and criminals having 15-20+ kills. I was debating on recording everything and sending it in, but if RTW couldn't stop cheaters, what makes GamersFirst think they will do better? APB may have been reloaded, but it's jammed with cheaters. Of course, this goes for any FPS, MMO or Match style. Heck, even Planetside has numerous cheaters because of trial accounts. Does this mean APB should not go F2P? I really don't think it matters at this point.

  Zolgar

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Joined: 1/11/11
Posts: 540

Where is fancy bred? In the heart or in the head?

4/20/11 10:30:51 AM#7

I'm not sure if it's hacks, or I'm just god awful. I have about 3 hours of play time in or so, and aside from NPC's I think I've killed like 2 or 3 people. It seems I die almost as soon as I look at people, or people get me from 100+ yards away. I'm sure SOME are hacks, but I believe it was said that PUnkBuster is catching all the hackers. No idea what to believe.

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  Terranah

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Joined: 7/03/04
Posts: 3612

4/20/11 10:37:34 AM#8

Not sure about now, but when the game was live before there was a definite learning curve.  It takes time to get to know the weapons and their attributes, as well as the best strategy to complement them.  That said, I did run into way to many hackers in APB, but fortunately it wasn't enough to ruin my fun most of the time.

  goosie

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Joined: 7/11/04
Posts: 69

4/21/11 1:14:18 PM#9

The game is cutthroat to say the least. There are hacks, but the newer weapon changes have increased engagement distance to max visual range because the Obeya semi-auto sniper rifle is so overpowered and everybody is using it. The Obeya has a scope, is super accurate, spammable, kills in 4 shots, and has excellent hard damage as well. Without any armor upgrades to increase time-to-kill, it usually comes down to whoever spots the other person first. The fishy situations occur when I get the jump on someone, get in 2 shots, and they flip around and spam 3 perfect ACT44 pistol rounds at max range and kill me before my 4th shot lands.

  Cik_Asalin

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Joined: 8/29/04
Posts: 3091

4/25/11 12:33:12 AM#10

I mentioned this elsewhere, but a reinforcement here is also fine.

 

Seemingly the hackers with ESP and Aimbots are as active as they once were.  Seemingly.  There are frequent posts on their forums questioning what active and tangible means GF will use and tools provided to gamers to assist in reporting hackers.

 

Simple truth is, there is none.  Bjorn can podium pound all he wants, but with absolutely no in-game reporting or simple ease-of-use out of game reporting on the APB Reloaded Support Page that enables an interested player to easily report a name and circumstance, one can't help but surmise that GF is taking a casual and prolonged approach to addressing hackers.

 

Certainly, there will be more reports than fewer by some that can't tell the difference, but any elementary student can refine a simple means of name and circumstance reporting that can be saved, data-logged and observed.  It is not their (GF) job to take action on every report, but to run a Customer-Service querry every week that simply shows reporter and reportee to sort by name and determine whether there is enough unique data to warrant a watch.

 

Not only is this not occurring, but the basic function of being able to easily report a suspected occurrance or series of occurances absolutely does not exist on Gamers First APB Reloaded Support Page.

 

The best thing that came from Global Agenda is their devs and GM's extremely active approach to enabling reporint and their swift action with elementary data mining and observations.  It's a shame that I suspect that Gamers First will not be as proactive or customer-centric about it.

  User Deleted
4/25/11 12:38:43 AM#11

I'd go as far as to say that playing legitimately at this point is impossible. Combining the hacking situation with the piss poor matchmaking system (matching R10 players against R85 for example) just makes for a frustrating experience for both new and casual players.

 

I'm getting flashbacks of Combat Arms.  Impossible to play without hacks.

  sketchy_

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Joined: 7/02/06
Posts: 136

4/25/11 6:08:03 AM#12

To be honest I don't think there are that many cheaters as people make it up to be. Yes it's super easy to find cheats for the game but I didn't see many cheaters when I played. On the other hand I got accused of cheating like every third or fourth mission.

Lots of whine in the game. :)

It's easier to say oh that guy cheats than saying he did good, had better location than me, was more prepared, aimed better etc.

"If I had a d*ck, I'd go get laid. But we can do that next best thing... Let's kill people."

  Krematory

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Joined: 12/15/08
Posts: 499

MMOHOLIC

4/26/11 1:05:31 PM#13

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUbdkysSRdU

This vid pretty much sums it up. I'm one of those who bought the game when it was launched, and yeah, I find it quite fun. But if they don't fix what made the first version fail I won't be playing APB reloaded, even if it's free.

"EVE is likely the best MMORPG that you've never really understood or played" - Kyleran

  Renoaku

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Joined: 2/10/07
Posts: 946

5/26/11 5:03:13 AM#14

Hackers Galore.

That is right the same hackers from APB which was owned by RTW are in APB Reloaded, and it seems that there are currently three cheat sites out there which market cheats for APB Reloaded, and not even Punk Buster can stop them from cheating, and even if they can do a Ban Wave against these cheaters they just come back with new accounts and the time it takes for them to ban the cheaters the game play of many people has already been ruined by cheaters who have to play unfair.

I found this link on a post on the APB English Forums with the Title named 4 Cheaters for the price of one, which will no doubt be closed by a moderator, and such evidence removed mainly because the company itself wants to avoid it getting out about how many cheaters are in APB, not because of a name and shame thing, but thats just what I think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeVSuPA4zAA 4 Cheater team in APB.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2lfLdilRBM What about this guy who advertise that he uses hacks in APB Reloaded but still playing with hacks that their company makes? This cheater obviously sucks even with an Aimbot.

I was previously part of a clan in APB when it was released and two of my own clan members were caught Aimbotting which got banned before it ever became APB Reloaded, but here is the serious question.

G1 has done nothing but make this game go down the drain, instead of offering any subscription offers with good perks they sale guns to poeple, removed every perm weapon from the game, restricted mailng your other characters APB cash, removed selling of guns from the market, and have totally ruined APB Reloaded as a game it once was.

Lets say beyond the cheaters ruining APB Reloaded the question is if they can recover from all of this or if it will be a waste of their money, and another game to die for a Second Time?

If you are thinking about playing APB, I would not put any cash into the game as of now, wait until they actually improve the game a lot more before you pay anything to G1, or it could be a loss of RL money.

  grimal

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Joined: 9/11/05
Posts: 1835

5/26/11 2:06:02 PM#15

I agree with you.  Lots of hacking still going on.  You complain about it in the forums, you tend to get flamed by others ("they're just better than you",etc).

I would seriously wait several months on this one.  Definitely do not put any cash into this until then.

Release a game with a very large established fanbase from 10+ years of bnet history when the market was still emerging and the casual base had not yet been established, thus ripe for harvesting a momentious self perpetuating playerbase people never leave because they have X hours invested in their characters, and their friends and everyone else plays anyway. Not discounting Blizzard quality... but WoW's success is as much about perfect timing as it is quality, if not more so. - Derros

  Xerith

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Joined: 10/18/09
Posts: 972

A monkey poured coffee in my boots

5/26/11 2:13:23 PM#16

Ive been playing for the past week on Joker and have won far more missions than I have lost. I have to find this "rampant" hacking everyone seems to love throwing about. I play with several real life friends in our clan, and so far none of us have seen anything that we can clrealy say "yea that guy was hacking" 

The new weapons do change up game play from how it used to be, and high velocity rifles actually count for something now. 

  Redemp

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Joined: 7/30/05
Posts: 1055

If I didn't respond to you, chances are you're a idiot.

5/26/11 2:21:17 PM#17

 There are a handful of hackers out there ... some of them are actually very good, they seem to know how to come across less obvious than the others and even a hint of being watched they shut the program down. The majority of them are just horrible at the game though and obvious to anyone who's played Fps for any length of time. So Yes,  there are still enough hackers around that every district will have a few obvious ones in it and a select few are no so obvious.

The games lacks any sort of support from its Developers , no ingame monitoring , no report function,  no action taken without a few gigs of data to support a claim. Its still APB ... the hackings the reason I left in the first place. The community has gotten even worse than it used to be exspect to want to turn district chat  off five minutes into the game.

 

Here is the kicker ...  you can't .

  User Deleted
5/27/11 11:16:07 PM#18

I dont think people realize how complex the combat is in this game.  Most people, as i did, jump into it like its a FPS style combat, meaning, each gun has diffrent power and rate of fire and accuracy...pick one and go at it.  Doing this youll notice how much you suck, or youll assume 90% of the players are hackers.

Each gun has its own range, fire spread, accuracy, rate of fire, damage to health, damage to stamina, mobility, how accuracy is effected by moving and recoil.

So each gun has a very specific use, and using a gun improperly only works if you lucky, insanely good at APB (not other FPS) or the player your up against still hasnt improved his mouse tracking speed in game and is nerfed (a very new player)

It takes a good amount of practice to learn how to use each gun properly. After that you need to learn the maps.  Some players are able to predict where you will spawn after a death and where your most likely to approach from.

Im still terrible at the pvp encounters, however im past my phase where in my head i was assuming everyone was using aimbot. since ive learned a few guns, and realized when they seem OP and when they stand little chance, yet cant predict where people will be camping or approaching. 

Basically what im getting at, is that there are far less cheaters, imo, than have been advertised in game and on the forums.  There are still plenty of questionable players, however since the game has a pretty insane learning curve for a FPS, it makes most pro FPS players cry foul when they cant figure out why they ended up dead when they unlaoded a clip at the enemy player and he lets out a burst and kills you .

Also, i think they really are starting to get aggressive with cheaters...will see how long that lasts..once they stop the fight cheaters will take this game over for sure since its not an easy game to be pro at, even if your a FPS vet.

  Xero_Chance

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Joined: 4/11/08
Posts: 527

5/27/11 11:25:26 PM#19

All of this debate about hacking vs skill doesn't mean squat when you rubberband 20 feet every 5 seconds and crash every 10 minutes. With the amount of lag and bad performance this game has, it's no wonder people are so quick to yell "haxx".

The whole game hasn't changed one bit since RTW dropped it. I didn't notice any balance, any matchmaking system, or anything else they promised us. And the clincher, they still constrain 32-bit OP systems to turd-like graphics, which is one of the fatal flaws that ruined this game in the first place seeing as more than 60% of all windows users run 32-bit.

You're darn right I'm mad, this game has so much potential and we were promised so much only to have my expectations dashed so completely, it actually hurt my feelings like they insulted my mother. Does this mean I had unreasonable expectations? You're darn right I did, but to get nothing at all is just so completely insulting that I cannot help but curse the name "Gamersfirst".

  Zezda

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Joined: 2/27/09
Posts: 703

5/28/11 9:14:23 AM#20
Originally posted by strangerdang

I dont think people realize how complex the combat is in this game.  Most people, as i did, jump into it like its a FPS style combat, meaning, each gun has diffrent power and rate of fire and accuracy...pick one and go at it.  Doing this youll notice how much you suck, or youll assume 90% of the players are hackers.

Each gun has its own range, fire spread, accuracy, rate of fire, damage to health, damage to stamina, mobility, how accuracy is effected by moving and recoil.

So each gun has a very specific use, and using a gun improperly only works if you lucky, insanely good at APB (not other FPS) or the player your up against still hasnt improved his mouse tracking speed in game and is nerfed (a very new player)

It takes a good amount of practice to learn how to use each gun properly. After that you need to learn the maps.  Some players are able to predict where you will spawn after a death and where your most likely to approach from.

Im still terrible at the pvp encounters, however im past my phase where in my head i was assuming everyone was using aimbot. since ive learned a few guns, and realized when they seem OP and when they stand little chance, yet cant predict where people will be camping or approaching. 

Basically what im getting at, is that there are far less cheaters, imo, than have been advertised in game and on the forums.  There are still plenty of questionable players, however since the game has a pretty insane learning curve for a FPS, it makes most pro FPS players cry foul when they cant figure out why they ended up dead when they unlaoded a clip at the enemy player and he lets out a burst and kills you .

Also, i think they really are starting to get aggressive with cheaters...will see how long that lasts..once they stop the fight cheaters will take this game over for sure since its not an easy game to be pro at, even if your a FPS vet.

This sounds like the only guy here who knows something about the game.

It's annoying being outgunned when it happens but it's easy to see when they are hacking.

I'll give you a hint and show you this.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjklC9FLXMA

Aside from the obvious 100% accuracy and lack of recoil and spread watch how his gun snaps back and forward when aiming toward targets.. dead giveaway.

When you are using a gun you need to know what it's engagement range is, how it handles recoil, how the spread is, how movement and jumping effects its accuracy and at what ranges other guns become a better option. Most people jump in, get outgunned, and then complain that people are hacking.

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