Originally posted by Bunks

A crack dealer could make that same argument. "Hey all I do is stand here on this corner and people put money in my hand". Why should that be illegal too?

 

When you exploit people's weakness, it's still unethical and unfortunately due to a strange change in mindset among society, it is no longer considered illegal, well at least for corporation that is. What's next , snake oil ships?

okey I have to give you +1 for this and if we are talking abut ethics and Moral.. I Personaly think this new Money BOX is a horrible thing.. But my point here has always been to say "hey we can just avoid it, we dont have to buy it" but as you say they prey on weak minded people... hmmm ( I often just expect people not to fall for Scams like this, but guess some cant help themselfs)

Originally posted by ShardWarrior

Originally posted by Zlayer77

I havent felt forced to whip out anything.. I really dont get this. Just because there is a chash shop do you all feel you have to buy from it?

First, not everyone plays STO for the same reasons as you.  Second, reading comprehension goes a long way.  I do not think you will find most folks feel they are being forced to do anything with the cash shop.  What they object to is the only means to get an item in game that they may like (eg. ships) is to buy a gift box/key where they only have a slight chance to get them, and these have to be paid for with real money.  Just poke around over at the official forums and you will see the posts where players are asking to just put the ships themselves into the C-Store and be done with it.  Personally, I have never complained about having to buy a ship that I might want.  I will complain, however, that these are put into "gift/lottery boxes" as the only method of getting them.

Turning off the Diltihium exchange - the only way for people to get C-Points for free - coupled with the flagrant XYZ@XWR won a Cardassian Galor Ship! spam is also what folks are objecting to.  You will note how the D-Exchange conveniently goes down a day before a "big weekend" when they know a ton of folks will be logging for the start of the new FE. 

As things in the box can be traded they just have be a little patient and down the road they can buy it off the AH. But some people might feel they need it right now... I basing this off that some people are subbed to the game and get free C points each month... so people will open the BOXes...

Originally posted by ShardWarrior

LOL!  From Al "Captain Geko" Rivera at Cryptic;

"@TerilynnS: I have never seen a bunch of whinier babies in #STO... The 12 yr olds are out en force! http://bit.ly/zLbAdj” You go Terilynn!"
 

https://twitter.com/captaingeko

 

Were you the owner of Cryptic, would you want your employees publicly calling your customers "whiny babies"?

 

Edit:  LOL!  Guess we saw this at the same time Cacaphony

OMG that is Really horrible... I think a dude might get slapped for being so Arrogant from were I come from...

Player (Harly-someting) just ranted in ESD that he will never buy a "stupid Lock Box". 5 minutes later he won a Galor. Said he bougth 8. This line comes wery close to the shit CCP hillmar was saying In EVE in the leaked Internal mail.. and us the player base almost shut down their hole game after it....

I still mentain we can avoid this LOCK BOX and get the itmes for free if we dont fall for the "SCAM" Ofc some other fool is gona have to take the hit.. but not much we can do about that now...

Originally posted by Zlayer77

As things in the box can be traded they just have be a little patient and down the road they can buy it off the AH. But some people might feel they need it right now... I basing this off that some people are subbed to the game and get free C points each month... so people will open the BOXes...

You are making quite a few assumptions here, such as subbers/lifers will use a stipend on keys.  Second, drop box contents are plentiful.  Cryptic has shut off the D-Exchange, which means the only way to get points atm is via stipend or buying it for cash.  If folks are less inclined to spend real money vs. grinding Dilithium and converting to points, that means less keys opening less boxes making the contents more rare.  Wonder what will happen to the price of those box contents on the exchange now that they are more rare?

[quote]Originally posted by Zlayer77
[b][quote]
Originally posted by ShardWarrior
LOL!  From Al "Captain Geko" Rivera at Cryptic;
[color=#ffd700]"@TerilynnS: I have never seen a bunch of whinier babies in #STO... The 12 yr olds are out en force! http://bit.ly/zLbAdj” You go Terilynn!"
 
https://twitter.com/captaingeko
 
Were you the owner of Cryptic, would you want your employees publicly calling your customers "whiny babies"?
 
Edit:  LOL!  Guess we saw this at the same time Cacaphony
[/quote]
OMG that is Really horrible... I think a dude might get slapped for being so Arrogant from were I come from...
Player (Harly-someting) just ranted in ESD that he will never buy a "stupid Lock Box". 5 minutes later he won a Galor. Said he bougth 8.[/color] This line comes wery close to the shit CCP hillmar was saying In EVE in the leaked Internal mail.. and us the player base almost shut down their hole game after it....
I still mentain we can avoid this LOCK BOX and get the itmes for free if we dont fall for the "SCAM" Ofc some other fool is gona have to take the hit.. but not much we can do about that now...
[/b][/quote]

Ah, clarification about this. The tweet in question was not made by a Cryptic dev, but was made by someone else, which was retweeted by Al Rivera. Even though he did not call people whiny babies, he still said "You go Terilynn!", which implies agreement.
Original tweet below.

this person

Originally posted by Zlayer77

Originally posted by ShardWarrior

LOL!  From Al "Captain Geko" Rivera at Cryptic;

"@TerilynnS: I have never seen a bunch of whinier babies in #STO... The 12 yr olds are out en force! http://bit.ly/zLbAdj” You go Terilynn!"
 

https://twitter.com/captaingeko

 

Were you the owner of Cryptic, would you want your employees publicly calling your customers "whiny babies"?

 

Edit:  LOL!  Guess we saw this at the same time Cacaphony

OMG that is Really horrible... I think a dude might get slapped for being so Arrogant from were I come from...

Player (Harly-someting) just ranted in ESD that he will never buy a "stupid Lock Box". 5 minutes later he won a Galor. Said he bougth 8. This line comes wery close to the shit CCP hillmar was saying In EVE in the leaked Internal mail.. and us the player base almost shut down their hole game after it....

I still mentain we can avoid this LOCK BOX and get the itmes for free if we dont fall for the "SCAM" Ofc some other fool is gona have to take the hit.. but not much we can do about that now...

Not good PR there with that tweet for sure.

And player Harley-something's wife better not let him fly to Vegas anytime soon. Sounds like an addiction to me :)

Originally posted by ShardWarrior

Originally posted by Zlayer77

As things in the box can be traded they just have be a little patient and down the road they can buy it off the AH. But some people might feel they need it right now... I basing this off that some people are subbed to the game and get free C points each month... so people will open the BOXes...

You are making quite a few assumptions here, such as subbers/lifers will use a stipend on keys.  Second, drop box contents are plentiful.  Cryptic has shut off the D-Exchange, which means the only way to get points atm is via stipend or buying it for cash.  If folks are less inclined to spend real money vs. grinding Dilithium and converting to points, that means less keys opening less boxes making the contents more rare.  Wonder what will happen to the price of those box contents on the exchange now that they are more rare?

We have ding in game that lets us know as soon as someone gets something from a box, so yes people are opening boxes left and right... and as I mentioned before some poor tard bought 30 of them and still dident get that ship... so I guess all the things accept the ship will come up on the AH.. and a few months down the line we might see a few ships also, for insane prices but we will see them...

Originally posted by Zlayer77

We have ding in game that lets us know as soon as someone gets something from a box, so yes people are opening boxes left and right...

I would not put it past Cryptic to be padding those messages with phony handles to make the odds look better.  You can see for yourself the piss poor attitude the lead developer of STO has on his Twitter.  Were an employee here at my company to post that about our customers, they would be fired instantly.

.@DHGFAshe Last time I saw tantrums like this, it was naptime at a pre-school. #STO #Forums

This line was actually kinda funny...

Originally posted by Bunks

 Iwas wondering when this would start. It was just way to easy to max out this game without spending a penny. Even so, 100 cpoints is only 2-3 days of grinding without paying. So its still a good deal.

Im waiting for the dilithium refining to cost c-points. Or expect Cryptic to start buying back the C-points on the exchange till it reaches a 300 to 1 ratio or more.

Agreed. Right like it's not normal for F2P games to do just this. They did add the ability to get Cpoints for non-subscribers and the only real appeal of those boxes is for those who want the extremely rare ships. The ships the characters can buy with game money are just as good, and have multiple appearance options. 

Can't imagine, other then for someone who's never played a F2P model or someone whining because the drop rate is so rare, why someone is complaining about something like this. The Jem'hadar ship was almost just like this accept you had to buy the box outright at least they learned from their mistake on that one and made the keys purchasable for F2P players without really the need for a sub or buying Cpoints with real money this time. The keys are really cheap.

this isnt a big deal at all..

count yourself lucky that instead of like a 'ready check' for raid bosses etc there isnt a small window pops open and it says 'before engaging this boss please input credit card info...'

Originally posted by orgash

this isnt a big deal at all..

count yourself lucky that instead of like a 'ready check' for raid bosses etc there isnt a small window pops open and it says 'before engaging this boss please input credit card info...'

hehe give it a few years and we will be there..

Originally posted by Bunks

Originally posted by Zlayer77

Originally posted by ShardWarrior

LOL!  From Al "Captain Geko" Rivera at Cryptic;

"@TerilynnS: I have never seen a bunch of whinier babies in #STO... The 12 yr olds are out en force! http://bit.ly/zLbAdj” You go Terilynn!"
 

https://twitter.com/captaingeko

 

Were you the owner of Cryptic, would you want your employees publicly calling your customers "whiny babies"?

 

Edit:  LOL!  Guess we saw this at the same time Cacaphony

OMG that is Really horrible... I think a dude might get slapped for being so Arrogant from were I come from...

Player (Harly-someting) just ranted in ESD that he will never buy a "stupid Lock Box". 5 minutes later he won a Galor. Said he bougth 8. This line comes wery close to the shit CCP hillmar was saying In EVE in the leaked Internal mail.. and us the player base almost shut down their hole game after it....

I still mentain we can avoid this LOCK BOX and get the itmes for free if we dont fall for the "SCAM" Ofc some other fool is gona have to take the hit.. but not much we can do about that now...

Not good PR there with that tweet for sure.

 

And player Harley-something's wife better not let him fly to Vegas anytime soon. Sounds like an addiction to me :)

I just made like a Million EC with selling lockboxes today, the things drop like candy everywhere and i don't give a shit about the ships.

More power to the people with disposable income i say. I'll buy my Galor for 400k EC when this is all over and the market flooded.

Profit.

Originally posted by AdamTM

Originally posted by Bunks

Originally posted by Zlayer77

Originally posted by ShardWarrior

LOL!  From Al "Captain Geko" Rivera at Cryptic;

"@TerilynnS: I have never seen a bunch of whinier babies in #STO... The 12 yr olds are out en force! http://bit.ly/zLbAdj” You go Terilynn!"
 

https://twitter.com/captaingeko

 

Were you the owner of Cryptic, would you want your employees publicly calling your customers "whiny babies"?

 

Edit:  LOL!  Guess we saw this at the same time Cacaphony

OMG that is Really horrible... I think a dude might get slapped for being so Arrogant from were I come from...

Player (Harly-someting) just ranted in ESD that he will never buy a "stupid Lock Box". 5 minutes later he won a Galor. Said he bougth 8. This line comes wery close to the shit CCP hillmar was saying In EVE in the leaked Internal mail.. and us the player base almost shut down their hole game after it....

I still mentain we can avoid this LOCK BOX and get the itmes for free if we dont fall for the "SCAM" Ofc some other fool is gona have to take the hit.. but not much we can do about that now...

Not good PR there with that tweet for sure.

 

And player Harley-something's wife better not let him fly to Vegas anytime soon. Sounds like an addiction to me :)

I just made like a Million EC with selling lockboxes today, the things drop like candy everywhere and i don't give a shit about the ships.

More power to the people with disposable income i say. I'll buy my Galor for 400k EC when this is all over and the market flooded.

Profit.

It sick actually. Last night I got 5 boxes dropped, and a mystery box as well. Sol them for 1.5 million ec. And the first thing I did yesterday was buy all the C points with dilitium I could. payed 189 for 200 c points, sold them for 238 four hours later. When I logged on this morning to sell some more, thats when I saw they patched the game overnight, to take out the Dilithium exchange.

Originally posted by Zlayer77

Originally posted by orgash

this isnt a big deal at all..

count yourself lucky that instead of like a 'ready check' for raid bosses etc there isnt a small window pops open and it says 'before engaging this boss please input credit card info...'

hehe give it a few years and we will be there..

Years?  I believe this "feature" was mentioned for Season 6 of STO. 

Originally posted by ShardWarrior

Originally posted by Dinendae

Originally posted by ShardWarrior

Of course it is a flagrant (and desperately pathetic) cash grab attempt by Cryptic/PWE.  It is sad to see CBS approving such nonsense.

On the contrary, CBS has shown it is more than willing to whore out any IP on even the slimmest chance it will make them money. I have no doubt they are ok with what Cryptic do as long as they get money.

Read my post again.    I know it is ultimately CBS who has to signoff before it goes in game.  Hence, my comment that it is sad to see CBS approving this stuff. 

I did read it. My point was that CBS is more than willing to ride the milking train on their I.P.; it's to be expected, actually. Now if they didn't have a history of doing this (milking the I.P. for every cent they possibly can), then I would say the decision was sad. Right now it is just business as usual.

Originally posted by Dinendae

Originally posted by ShardWarrior

Originally posted by Dinendae

Originally posted by ShardWarrior

Of course it is a flagrant (and desperately pathetic) cash grab attempt by Cryptic/PWE.  It is sad to see CBS approving such nonsense.

On the contrary, CBS has shown it is more than willing to whore out any IP on even the slimmest chance it will make them money. I have no doubt they are ok with what Cryptic do as long as they get money.

Read my post again.    I know it is ultimately CBS who has to signoff before it goes in game.  Hence, my comment that it is sad to see CBS approving this stuff. 

I did read it. My point was that CBS is more than willing to ride the milking train on their I.P.; it's to be expected, actually. Now if they didn't have a history of doing this (milking the I.P. for every cent they possibly can), then I would say the decision was sad. Right now it is just business as usual.

Yes, I know that CBS will pimp out the IP at any and every opportunity to make a buck.  It is a shame they do not really care all that much for the property beyond the money. 

I dunno. Is the lock box master keys really any different than the fabled item unlockers in EQ2?  Ive made level 20 in STO without spending a nickel in the CS. I really dont know what people are paying for unless its endgame stuff. Personally I would rather see them just put the ship in the cash shop for $20 or so instead of running it like a lottery. But its not mandatory to buy the keys to enjoy the game. You pay your money you take your chances and from what I see flashing across the screen a lot of people are aquiring the ship so you know people are buying the keys. I just wonder what the drop rate is, ive seen 1% but damn, I cant believe its that low.

Originally posted by Rusty715

I dunno. Is the lock box master keys really any different than the fabled item unlockers in EQ2?  Ive made level 20 in STO without spending a nickel in the CS. I really dont know what people are paying for unless its endgame stuff. Personally I would rather see them just put the ship in the cash shop for $20 or so instead of running it like a lottery. But its not mandatory to buy the keys to enjoy the game. You pay your money you take your chances and from what I see flashing across the screen a lot of people are aquiring the ship so you know people are buying the keys. I just wonder what the drop rate is, ive seen 1% but damn, I cant believe its that low.

I have two vice admiral accounts now, and never spent a penny on the game. The drop rate on those ships is awful, I watched one person drop $20 bucks on keys and not get a single item worth a damn. Then I got a gold box drop, bought a key on the exchange for 1.2 million EC and got a nice device(graviton beam). But so far all ive ever seen was three of those cruisers while playing the game. So they are still pretty rare.

Originally posted by Bunks

Originally posted by Rusty715

I dunno. Is the lock box master keys really any different than the fabled item unlockers in EQ2?  Ive made level 20 in STO without spending a nickel in the CS. I really dont know what people are paying for unless its endgame stuff. Personally I would rather see them just put the ship in the cash shop for $20 or so instead of running it like a lottery. But its not mandatory to buy the keys to enjoy the game. You pay your money you take your chances and from what I see flashing across the screen a lot of people are aquiring the ship so you know people are buying the keys. I just wonder what the drop rate is, ive seen 1% but damn, I cant believe its that low.

I have two vice admiral accounts now, and never spent a penny on the game. The drop rate on those ships is awful, I watched one person drop $20 bucks on keys and not get a single item worth a damn. Then I got a gold box drop, bought a key on the exchange for 1.2 million EC and got a nice device(graviton beam). But so far all ive ever seen was three of those cruisers while playing the game. So they are still pretty rare.

I dont know if ive actually seen any of the ships you can get from a box. I do see a lot of messages though. The  "so and so has aquired a Galor ship "  message comes across quite often. Honeslty when I first d/loaded this game I figured on the cash shop being so crippling that I would not play for long but so far that hasnt been the case. There must be a lot of people buying appearance gear, master keys etc because PWI / Crypic has to be making money somehow and so far I havnt felt the need to buy anything.