Originally posted by AG-Vuk

Originally posted by Rohn

Originally posted by Leoghan

I think they are getting a steady stream of returners, but also don't be fooled by the increased caps on some of the instances. This game is still financially viable no doubt about that, but I doubt it will ever become a runaway success. 

 

I agree that there has been a steady stream of people coming to the game, both returning people, and new players.

But, too many people are concerned with subjectively defined success and failure on these boards.  They also appear permanently stuck on launch day.

As long as there are enough people to play with, and a dev company makes enough money to fully develop a game, does the fickle MMO community's perception of "success" really matter if you enjoy a game?

For those really concerned with such things - XFire numbers seem to indicate a steady rise in STO player activity.  A few months ago, STO was routinely falling just outside the top 100.  Since then, it has steadily risen until it is now averaging rankings in the 60s and 70s (with commensurate rises in players and time played).  Yeah, that's the same XFire that critics of the game were lauding as accurate when STO's ranking was steadily falling as proof that it was a "bad game".

Now that it's rising, what does that mean?  If you hate the game, will you hate it less?  If you love it, will you love it more?  Or, is it just a game that, like most others, has been steadily improving and people *gasp* are enjoying?

In my opinion, the game has gotten a lot better than it was at launch, there are plenty of others to play with, and is fun to play.  That's all that really matters to me.

 Don't mistake the rise in numbers as a rise in subs. There are a lot of LTS out there who simply don't play unless some new content is added. If you want to measure health of a game , look to the noobie areas. Although Cryptic for the most part doesn't have these zones. A lot of people in a zone means nothing , how many instances of that zone ? How many are at capacity ? The LTS model that Cryptic currently functioning on is not sustainible over the long term , unless they plan on going F2P, which will hamstring them to a large degree.

Don't jump to conclusions.  I didn't say anything about subs, nor do I have any knowledge about sub numbers.  I said player activity in Star Trek Online was and is rising.

More people are currently playing STO than before, and for now, that number appears to be slowly and steadily rising.  That's a good thing for everyone that plays that game.

What credible information can you offer about subs, or what exactly is the ratio of lifetimer versus standard subscriber?

Originally posted by AG-Vuk

Say it aint so
Yes
No way man, why?
Well only 4 endgame missions and 1 of them is bugged and one of them is so bad
the mission needs a Cure from a medic.
What are you talking about there is plenty to do, exploration clusters with aid the planet and lower lvl fleet actions oh and crafting come on lots to do man http://bildr.no/view/836650
No there is not really sry season 4 is in juli and until then it's only more fluff in the C store for feds
But you have missions they are remaking with cut scenes etc
Give me a break, thats 30 minutes then what ?
Well there is re rolling ?
You mean i havent done that alredy with 14 caracters to end game, with all the purple stuff
and deleted them, sry no.
Ok your right STO have no endgame to keep players around but come on it's STAR
TREK
I tell you what, i'm gonna check back on the game in a couple of years, i'm sure the game have awesome end game content by then, and btw when the Hive is out sept/okt/nov/des ............Live long and prosper and may the force be with you

 

 

http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?p=3418102#post3418102

 

From the boards by a LTS.

 What's your point? Still reposting posts from the official forums and calling them majority?

When the game released it wasn't so good and it received a lot of bad hype.  Since then the game has improved though.  When I logged into the game after a long time off I was surprised to see how many people were playing, especially on the weekends to play the latest episode release.  But even during the week, from what I have seen there are quite a few people on.  I recently joined a Fleet and they are pretty active. 

Now I've recently hit Vice Admiral and am starting to pay more attention to stats.  Upgraded my BO's, promoted them, fitted them out with new skills.  Also I've started rerunning the episodes to gear up, and it's fun increasing my stats and abilities to see how efficient I can become.  I've gotten a couple new ships on the way to VA and also got the 400 day reward, the Captain's Yacht, which is pretty cool.

I haven't tried the pvp since the game came out, so I'm sure I'll get my arse handed to me.  I'm holding off a bit until I get geared up a bit and get a better understanding for all the stats and abilities.  I might roll an alt at some point, but right now I'm having fun with this character.

I have no idea what that Vuk post is about or what to discern from it...

This thread is called "STO looks very popular still".  Answer: yes, there are lots of people playing.  Confirmed by very recent accounts of people playing IN GAME.

Further speculation on the subject... we don't know if this is an influx of new players, new subscribers, LTS signing back in or what.  We don't know how long it will last or IF it will last.

Originally posted by Sevenwind

Originally posted by AG-Vuk

Say it aint so
Yes
No way man, why?
Well only 4 endgame missions and 1 of them is bugged and one of them is so bad
the mission needs a Cure from a medic.
What are you talking about there is plenty to do, exploration clusters with aid the planet and lower lvl fleet actions oh and crafting come on lots to do man http://bildr.no/view/836650
No there is not really sry season 4 is in juli and until then it's only more fluff in the C store for feds
But you have missions they are remaking with cut scenes etc
Give me a break, thats 30 minutes then what ?
Well there is re rolling ?
You mean i havent done that alredy with 14 caracters to end game, with all the purple stuff
and deleted them, sry no.
Ok your right STO have no endgame to keep players around but come on it's STAR
TREK
I tell you what, i'm gonna check back on the game in a couple of years, i'm sure the game have awesome end game content by then, and btw when the Hive is out sept/okt/nov/des ............Live long and prosper and may the force be with you

 

 

http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?p=3418102#post3418102

 

From the boards by a LTS.

 What's your point? Still reposting posts from the official forums and calling them majority?

If people look up the post by the guy quoted above (yellow and red), you get a pictiure of someone that has never been happy about anything...STO or otherwise. I would also point out that it is one guy. I am a LTS'er and have been there playing the game since Closed Beta. I will agree that the game was unfinished when released but has come a long way since. Does it have a bit to go yet? I guess it depends upon what you compare it to. While I would not classify STO as the "most well polished AAA themepark out there", I would call it fun and worth my time. I look at what has been added just in the last few months and the number of times I have been "wowed" and have to say that Cryptic and STO in particular have  finally got their act together. If they continue that path, STO will just continue to improve.

Plenty of people on when I'm around, usually. Enjoying the hell out of the space combat so far, but ground combat is... meh. Taking a 'wait and see' attitude toward the upcoming ground combat revamp, if it does indeed improve things I'll probably stay subbed for a while. If not, well, no big loss. I definitely don't see the 'OMGWTF THIS GAME IS HORRIBAFUCKUS!!!" stuff I kept reading about at launch.

Don't mistake lots of people playing STO for STO being a good game. There are millions of Trekkies out there that will play STO for years no matter how bad it is. Yes the game has gotten better in the last year, more polished, but the core gameplay hasn't changed a bit.

Originally posted by Nirwyl

Don't mistake lots of people playing STO for STO being a good game. 

And dont mistake people saying they dont like STO(or anything else for that matter) for it being bad. Being able to make up your OWN mind is a very important part of life, so never let other people make choices for you. Try things yourself and decide what you like and what you dont. I guarantee you that whatever game Nirwyl happens to like, there are plenty of people that will tell you how bad it is. Which just goes to show you cant take what people say to mean anything as far as how you will feel about it.

The likely cause of any population jump is a combination of Lifers sticking their head in to see what is new, and they fact that several of the larger online and other retailers have been blowing out their copies of STO for as little as $2.

As such, any bump in numbers is likely temporary, as people play the included month and then go, before they have to pay the (unwarranted) sub fee.

I do see lots more folks playing STO and injoying see new people 

I enjoyed leveling in Star Trek.  Getting that next tier ship felt so good.

I have to say that the latest weekly series was a job well done by the devs. If the game had that level of creativity and content throughout the entire game. It would be a very good game, not MMO, but game. And it looks like the dev's are going back to make adjustments with their new tools to make the leveling missions better.

To me, STO will become a very good place to get my Trek on. With the level of the new weekly series and player created content from the foundery. There will be a lot of content to play through. But it will still be a SPG or co-op game much more than a MMO. I still enjoy the space combat and the ground combat may be better with the new over the shoulder FPS view coming up. So I will continue to play because I enjoy ST and STO is the only place to do it really. With many passionate Trek fans making ST story missions to play.

were can you make your own missions that you always wanted to play? I know of no other MMO that let you use the tools set to make missions, the weekly missions have been top notch this far. The news from the Dev team have been very up beat, all new gourd combat, new exporler, and some of the older missions are getting reworked. So it seem theis game will be here for a long time to come. 

Resubbed last night.  I am amazed at how packed the server is.  I went to several sectors and each one is packed with players. 

Originally posted by D_TOX

So why the talk of 'dead space' and no-one around in-game? The forums are active in every single section, and some stretch back 2-4 pages long for posts from 'Today'. Most MMO's a year down the line have relatively dead forums, like WAR and AoC a year post-launch barely had 2-4 active topics a day. They were just as much 'failures' as STO. Has STO simply managed to successfully retain its die-hard trekkie fans with ease?

Im curious simply because i own the game but have yet to muster the enthusiasm to log in and play to see how its changed. It looks like a lot has improved. But what about core mechanics? For example are character stats/spec actually important now, or can everyone still be everything they want? IE: Engineer/science/tactic, no specific class roles etc.

Well to be honest the game is a decent space shooter game with some MMOG elements so I can see some people enjoying it. But it was that so many people, including me, expected so much more of the second largest sci-fi IP ever.

I for one expected to be able to live on a ship, not be the ship. And I expected alot less combat and alot more diplomacy and science, atleast if you played the feds.

Furthermore I expected the Klingon Fed Romulan conflict be better reflected in the world.

And I guess alot of other more hardcore Trekkies expected alot more indepth stuff. None of which was realised and hence why so many people are hating it.

Add on top of this that the game has RMT on top of the subscription fee and it becomes more and more evident why so many people are shitting on the game.

The equivalent I guess would be that SW:TOR would be like this game is, imagine the upset...